NYTimes finally acknowledges that anti-Prop. 8 mob is harassing traditional marriage supporters

Hell is frozen over. The New York Times has finally come to the realization that the anti-Prop. 8 mob in California is intimidating traditional marriage supporters with its blacklist maps.
What took them so damn long?
FOR the backers of Proposition 8, the state ballot measure to stop single-sex couples from marrying in California, victory has been soured by the ugly specter of intimidation.
Some donors to groups supporting the measure have received death threats and envelopes containing a powdery white substance, and their businesses have been boycotted.
The targets of this harassment blame a controversial and provocative Web site, eightmaps.com.
…The site pits…cherished values against each other: political transparency and untarnished democracy versus privacy and freedom of speech.
“When I see those maps, it does leave me with a bit of a sick feeling in my stomach,” said Kim Alexander, president of the California Voter Foundation, which has advocated for open democracy.
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Because the radical left “feel” and don’t “think”, it doesn’t surprise me that they are completely intolerate of other’s opinions. They’re just like little kids who throw tantrums when they don’t get their way. They do know one thing; how to use the MSM to get their threats across.
Maybe the NY Times has one or two educated employees after all. The tyranny of the minority in all it’s “glory” is frightening even to bottom feeders like the Times.
It is too late now, but back in the beginning, a reciprocal effort to “out” gay marriage supporters would have caused those supporters to make the demagogues back down.
While Apple computer wouldn’t care if anti-gay marriage supporters boycotted them, PGE (Proctor and Gamble to the old timers) certainly would.
Taco Bell might not, but Cracker Barrel probably would.
Same for any church owned businesses (and there are a lot of them).
It didn’t happen then, so the gay rights activists have been allowed to define freedom of speech as freedom to agree with them, or suffer as badly as they can make you suffer.
And we have allowed them to make that the definition, so we are now stuck with it.
Despite the fact that a judge ruled that you can make people’s voting records public. And all those on the left could say, “Well, it’s not like what people are doing is outside their freedom of speech.” No, these people are harassed and threatened. That is not freedom of speech. Senators and Congressman? Yes, make their voting records public but every day people? They have the right to privacy because you never know where someone can use that to make you feel unsafe.
Prop 8 passed because of people who voted for BHO. That being the Hispanics and Blacks. Pretty much all of the straight people that I know who voted against Prop 8 are white. Even some who voted McCain. The anti prop 8 crowd are cowards, they go heavily against Mormons, who are a low population segment and live in white neighborhoods, because they know that protesting and marching in Hispanic and Black neighborhoods will get their a$$es kicked. That would be awesome though, to see the MSM become completely schizo not knowing how to report an anti prop 8 intimidation in a predominately minority neighborhood that caused a riot. I think the anti prop 8 crowd will stick to the safe neighborhoods. I would have respect for them if they marched through Compton claiming the people there are haters.
I just remembered, there is an hispanic guy i work with who is married with 2 kids. He decided to vote for prop 8. I don’t know what his reason was, but he mentioned that his family would give him a hard time about it if they knew.
OOPS, he voted against prop 8, hard to keep it straight (no pun intended)….
Well Michelle is being kind, the NY Times stuck this in the Business section because of the innovation of the type of website it was. And 90 percent of the article was about the innovation.
So Hell only got frost warnings.
So the devil turned the thermostat up to 78 degreees to take the chill off . . .
At the rate the NYT is picking up stories like this, in about five years they will be reporting on breaking news a month after it happens.
Assuming that they still exist that far down the road.
Seems that the surge against al-Gayda finally paying dividends.
It should be coming clear to anyone paying attention that Gay Activism is out of control.
Most of us could give a sh*t less what adults do in the privacy of their bedrooms. We just don’t want to throw them a freaking Parade to celebrate it.
Their outrageous behavior against Prop 8 supporters only reinforces why most Americans prefer to disassociate themselves from these single issue A$$holes.
EXCELLENT!…I’m poaching that one!
I wonder why the people who donated to support bigotry don’t want their names and their donations public? If there’s nothing wrong with making gay people second class, why then are these people so ashamed of their support for it?
If religious groups targeted and mapped gays, the outcry would be deafening, as well it should.
The NYT doesn’t matter anymore.
But a pun it shall be
The Queer lobby is but one more attack dog of the Left in it’s incessant war against the family. The GayLadies and DykesOnBikes crowd claim they just want in, to be treated equally, but they are lying. I imagine the NYT included that piece in despair as their Child Molester in Chief Justice Ginsberg is sick.
But do not despair Perverts of the World, President Obama and your Senate will keep the Justices’ seat in Pervert hands to be sure. It is an extension of No Child’s Behind Left Alone.
Is Omu coming out of the closet in favor of No Child’s Behind Left Alone? I think so.
Protecting our children and our families is bigotry? Tells me what I need to know of Omu, although I already did to be sure.
It should be only fair that the anti-prop 8 voters create a map that shows where they live. I mean, if they feel so good about themselves, they won’t have any worries about showing where they stand on proposition 8, right?
On February 8th, 2009 at 9:03 am, Omu said:
Uhh… all offense meant, you are mentally deficient.
They aren’t ashamed of anything, they are afraid of retaliation by the mob.
You murderous collectivist monster.
Old tired, dead argument.
The right to discriminate based on gender, physical appearance, or belief in unsupportable.
The right to discriminate based on CONDUCT is. If you think this is not true, then I suggest you support the rights of smokers, people who throw loud parties on their lawns at 3:00 a.m., people who remove the mufflers from their cars, people who want to open an adult book store accross the street from an elementary school, etc. etc. etc.
In this instance the minority has been already given sufficient “rights.” The majority does not want to grant them further rights. They lose.
I suggest that if they want their position supported they lobby for it rationally, as adults and not like thugs.
Omu, the proof is that in California the overwhelming reason why prop 8 passed was the support of Blacks and Hispanics. The gay mafia has targeted a section of the population that they do not really need to get their agenda passed only because they are getting attention and it is safe to do. In California, blacks and hispanics together outnumber whites. Actually, it is very close that hispanics outnumber whites. What is sad is that the white people are not fighting back, they are sitting in a corner crying. This proves that they do not hate homosexuals, they just want to protect traditional family values. Blacks and hispanics on the other hand, would kick the you know what out of the anti prop 8 mob and they know it. They can intimidate whites and get away with it, with lots of media coverage. Cowards.
I also wonder why the limp wristed warriors have not gone after the Christian blacks and Catholic hispanics for their roll in defending family values in the People’s Republic of Kalifornia. Could it possibly be the yellow streak running down their backs? After all most white American’s obey the law and are disarmed by the state and are easy prey when out numbered by the gay mobs. However, in neighborhoods controlled by the hispanic and black gang culture I wouldn’t want to bet on their chances of survival should they decide to throw one of their terrible little tantrums.
I really am amazed the old dying grey whore has had a lucid moment as it prepares to finally circle the drain into bankruptcy and irrelevance. I wonder how the writer smoked this one by their editors.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: “Come and Take Them!”
Man, I wish I could call in gay to work tomorrow.
I wonder if Omu would give his address to a bunch of skinheads. Given the causes he apparently supports I would guess that they would be unhappy with him – far more unhappy than the anti-Prop 8 crowd is with those who voted or donated for Prop 8.
Would Omu then demand protection?
Exactly boomer and the reasons are incredibly diverse. If you ask a white person what their reason to deny gay marriage is they mention lawsuits and litigation problems. If you ask hispanics or blacks, it is more like i don’t want faggots messing with my life. Now i am not trying to generalize, but this is a good sampling.
I bet these guys vote ‘yes’ on Preparation H.
The constitution provides a mandate for Government protection to citizens. Personal information should always be protected. Where is the Governors task force to enforce laws broken by these intimidating tactics. Knowing full well if the individual citizen acts this way they would already be in jail. By inaction this is Political persecution.
The same thing is going to happen to the Card Check Obama wants. I you request to vote in private , it will be assumed your against Union. Then you get your knees broken.
In both issues the same principle of privacy of individuals and transparency of government should prevail.
Groups do not have a vote not matter how many liberals come out of the woodwork. Citizens do.
I’m pretty sure Omu was looking to get a rise out of people with this one. Clearly he didn’t bother to read the article, or MM’s writeup, or really any of the coverage on this site since Prop 8 passed.
You can do better than that, Omu. I agree with you on Prop 8 and I still think your comment was dumb–what should that tell you about it?
HEY OMU!
Would you like to print your real name, address, and phone number on this blog?
PLEASE
PRETTY PLEASE!!!!!
Oh and I forget to say that I’m glad the New York Times had an article. I don’t read it though, cause, they really don’t matter!
EMU, why don’t you just take some time while you’re putting on your wonder bra think about it and admit what this Mob is doing is WRONG? They’re not gaining anything by this behavior, Quite the opposite.
Homosexual groups have a history of intimidation.
Homosexual Activists Intimidate American Psychiatric Association into Removing Homosexuality from List of Disorders
http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/homosexual-activists-intimidate-american-psychiatric-association-into-removing-homosexuality-from-list-of-disorders/
Why don’t you ask your precious president? He’s against gay marriage and I don’t see these pathetic whiners (including omu) shrieking, crying, and wetting their panties over that.
Then again they’re not bothering me either – because I’ll fire back and they don’t have the gut to take on someone who will.
No – these a**clowns are picking on the people who are kind and gentle and Christian enough to put up with their fascist terrorism.
How nice of the media to finally notice. Funny how the anti-8 people can get by with this for months w/o a serious peep from any of the `Times papers, but let a handful of Pro-Lifers show up within 10 miles of an abortion clinic and the same papers are editorializing for the National Guard to intervene -
I live south of SF. If I had a bumper sticker supporting Prop 8, along with my Army & Marine stickers, it probably wouldn’t be a big deal. However, I’m quite sure that my car would be vandalized by the leftie loonies if I drove into the city and parked. What does that say about my freedom of speech? My church had Prop 8 signs and they were torn down every day.
The actions of the anti-8 terrorists may be one of the best arguments to use against the impending card-check legislation. After all, they each strip the privacy rights away from citizens so that their opponents can target them for vengence.
Omu:
Nobody is ashamed of supporting traditional marriage and defending one of the most basic institutions of society. On the other hand, a good many of the donors fear the violence of anti-8 terrorists.
But I’ve got an idea — let’s list the name, address, and phone number of every homosexual on a public website where potential gay-bashers can easily access it and use it to target their victims for harassment and violence? After all, (under your logic) if they believe there is nothing wrong with their sexual practices and lifestyles, why would they be ashamed of it being posted where others could see it…
The NY Times, which has been ridiculing the bloggers on the right as amateurs, featured an essay by Times columnist Judith Warner in which she fantasized about waking up and finding Barack Obama in the shower. She fantasized about incredibly wonderful that would be. Then she opined about incredible the physical relationship between Barack and Michelle must be. And the NY Times has the audacity to call itself America’s newspaper of record.
Ah, the old liberal tactic of misdirection through ad hominem attacks.
If liberals were not lowbrow terrorists, there would be no reason to fear revelation. Of course, if these liberals were not terrorists, this map never would have been drawn in the first place.
In deep blue Massachusetts, an Obama bumper sticker elicits no vandalism. The same can not be said of a Bush/Cheney sticker. Given the liberal status of this state, this vandalism is completely unnecessary, but the fact that it occurs demonstrates that this
terrorism is inherent int the psyche of liberals. And all of the other terrorists, of course.
So you can stop wondering now, Omu. It just leaves a slackjawed look on your face.
I read J. Warner’s column about her fantasy love orgy with Nobama, or at least till I because nauseated. Is it any wonder that newspaper is in trouble with garbage like that? How is that newsworthy or column-worthy? Those people need to get a life.
I dont’t know, why don’t you homosexual bigots want your names made public? Prop 8 supporters aren’t ashamed of their donations and votes, they’re concerned about being targeted by you hate mongers, given the left’s approval of and/or willingness to engage in any degree of violence, from vandalism to terrorism. On the other hand, even a hint of disapproval of homosexuals and your destructive agenda is enough for you to whine “hate crime”.
Google has filed briefs in opposition to the proposition. Isn’t it great to know that the “don’t be evil” guys are against democracy?
Uh-huh. If it was the KKK sending powder to blacks this would be a hate crime – not “open democracy”.
You would be first in line to condemn interecepting phone calls between terrorists – on privacy grounds – yet you don’t think private citizens have a right to privacy? To protect them from intimidation from the brownshirts? Oh right – you’ll be first in line to make sure union members report their votes to the enforcers. What an ass.
Whoever you are, unless your name is actually Omu. What’s your address and phone number since you believe in transparency?
Someone needs to put a map up with those who donated to the anti-Prop 8 effort. Then we should call and say “Did you know that many people who were opposed to Prop 8 called supporters and harassed them?” “Do you support the harassment of people who are opposed to the causes you support?”.
Why not go after blacks where 70% of them voted for Prop 8? Get their addresses on Google map and say that they are one of those 70% who voted for Prop 8. But nooooooooooooo. You want to go after Mormons. An “easier” target. Guess who the real hypocrites are?
Not that I condone adding addresses to Google maps of blacks or anyone who support or went against certain propositions. Doing so invites trouble and legitimizes criminal harassment.
Omu, you fascist twit: the entire point of a secret ballot is to protect people from retaliation for expressing their opinions in the voting both.
Jebus, what a dickweed you are. You would have been very happy living in the USSR.
There’s a difference between publishing voting records and publishing donor names. Donor names to any political cause are public information.
Card Check is up next.
duh1’s minders will show you how to fill out the forms.
Full unquestioning compliance is recommended.
where’s the law in kallifornia, why aren’t these anti-8′ers being sought for punishment as terrorists, that is exactly what they are.
As been posted above, come on all you left wing pansy a$$es …oh excuse, me “gays”, another word stripped of it’s original meaning to placate another MINORITY that’s trying to take control of America…post your addresses and phone numbers if your within the law with your lawless actions against free speech.
There’s nothing stopping anyone from finding out who donated to the campaign against Prop. 8. If you’re so outraged, make your own list.
If any donor’s contribution is public domain then I wonder why Obama didn’t release his small contributions under $200 he got on the internet. Small stuff wasn’t necessary, or something like that.
Freedom would dictate any donor participation is their business. The government is supposed to be weighted with the power on the citizen. Organizations and lobbyists should disclose info. This everybody disclose is fairly recent in our history and is a product of McCaine Fiengold meddling and is proably not constitutional.
Of course laws are not for liberals. Just those who are bitter and clinging.
Omu: you are an idiot.
As a gay conservative, I support same-sex marriage for all sorts of conservative reasons. At the same time, I believe that people have a right to debate this issue without fear of retribution. There are perfectly valid and intelligent arguments against same-sex marriage and it is up to supporters to address these legitimate arguments civilly – without resorting to brownshirt tactics.
I voted no on Prop 8 but I certainly respect the fact that a lot of the yes votes were based on deeply held beliefs on the part of many, many people.
I also realize that some of the yes votes were from people who really are bigots but the aftermath of this election demonstrates that there are some major-league bigots on the ‘no’ side.
I used to believe that open donor lists were a far better way to ensure honest elections than campaign finance “reform”. But if the left is going to use donor lists to determine targets of terrorism then I will reconsider.
Mookie: most conservatives would have little use for the ‘no’ donor list since we’re not likely to engage in terrorism and intimidation. We still have quaint notions that people have aright to express their opinions without fear. This isn’t Russia (yet).
Perhaps it is time to publish the names and addresses of all HIV+ people in California. What comes around, goes around.
Julie Warner’s column in the NY Times show how it is the NY Times staff that is bigoted. Ms. Warner fantasizes about finding Barack Obama in her shower and she fantasizes about Barack Obama’s sex life and physical traits. Ms. Warner is, for all practical purposes, repeating that ancient myth about Black men and their physical attributes. This was used to persecute the Scotsboro Boys 65 years ago. Yet now it is now somehow acceptable when brie and chablis suburban matrons like Julie Warner of the NY Times repeat it.
The NY Times is always lecturing conservatives about our intolerance and yet it is dowagers like Ms. Warner who are the real bigots.
Re #57
“Sherwiff – is it twue what they say about how you people are gifted? Oh! It’s twue! It’s twue!”
- Lilly von Shtupp to Sheriff Bart in Blazing Saddles
How is this not voter harassment?! This is as bad as the days when there was voter intimidation in the South, during the civil rights era. The liberals should be ashamed of themselves. They have turned into people they claim to hate. I think someone should sue the organizations that are posting this information and organizing events to harass, intimidate, threaten donors. This is wholly undemocratic and is the thuggery that the left is known for. Enough is enough. Time to stop the bullying.
#56: would your list of HIV+ patients include those infected through straight sex? Those who have HIV from tainted blood products (transfusions, platelets, plasma, etc)? Those who contracted HIV from IV drug use? Contaminated medical equipment?
How about syphilis an gonorrhea? Chlamydia? Hepatitis-B (or is it C)?
Oh… and how about a list of unwed mothers who are supported by tax money?
HeLL FRozen over.
(drink)
The NY Times is irrelevant as it now only preaches to its far left choir. Anything it says is about important and long lasting to me as a fart in the wind. Next stop for this rag: Chapter 11.
I know you’re probably illustrating absurdity with absurdity but you bring up an interesting thought – would public disclosure of this kind of thing lead to more responsible behavior?
If I knew that if I caught AIDS through unprotected sex – especially after decades of warning – would I run around having unprotected sex of any sort?
If I knew that it would become publicly disclosed would I impregnate a woman and ran off on my responsibility?
It would be interesting to find out, because I believe that if you’re accepting public funding you have absolutely no expectation to privacy on that matter of any sort.
Obama would call that transparency… until it was something he wanted swept under the carpet, then we’d hear non stop mumbling about a constitutional protection of privacy that doesn’t exist.
Omu, give us your address.
I’m guessing (just guessing) that most of the followers of Islam in CA were also against gay marriage. Why don’t the protestors go protest outside of a mosque just like they do a Momron church?
havok,
Yep. Again, nitwits and hypocrites. They just want to go after “easy” targets. It’s patently ridiculous to hear their reasonings on who to target. Hey, as for voting for Prop 8, and in the words of Obama, they won.
Because we don’t need communists like your ilk violently harassing them.
Touche RogerCfromSD. I wonder why the religious bigot Omu doesn’t want his real name, address, and donations public? If there’s nothing wrong with slandering and supporting violence against Christians, then why is he so afraid to give out that information?
Cause they are afraid in their little boots and are flaming hypocrites. They only target people who won’t shoot back.
omu is either lgm or that lame,limp wristed Rusty.So afraid of the people on this site he snuck on with the omu alias.Show some guts man,own up.
The true answer is that this isn’t really about gay marriage.
It’s about destabilizing the United States of America.
It is part of a long-established Soviet practice of Ideological Subversion.
And in that endeavor, the Communists and the Islamists are allies.
(as also evidenced by Russia’s participation as an observer nation of the “57 state” Organisation of the Islamic Conference)
That is why the gay marriage protestors don’t protest outside of mosques.
Seriously.
I think it’s because the Islamists would probably blow up the protestors or saw a few heads off….
8^]
It would make an interesting experiment, wouldn’t it?
If the issue is truly about “gay marriage”, then I challenge those protestors to go protest at mosques.
See how that works out…
Until we see that happen, these protests are shown to be not as much “pro-gay” as they are “anti-Judeo-Christian”. They are actively trying to destroy the foundation upon which this country rests. They know that if they destabilize the foundation, then everything built upon it will fall.
The 1st Amendment is intended to protect everyone’s freedom of religious speech, press, association, and petition for redress of grievances. Everyone is free to worship as they please, or choose not to worship at all.
With that said, there can be no honest denial that this country was founded on the Judeo-Christian teachings of the Bible.
Judeo-Christian Capitalism is under attack from multiple directions (the topic of thread is just one of many different types of attacks). If that foundation crumbles, so will this nation.
At what point did political donations become public record?
Was it McCain-Feingold?
(I don’t know)
If so, some of the blame for this rests on McCain’s shoulders.
This Prop. 8 harassment shows that the groundwork for political harassment is already in place and being actively used. Today, it is those who donated to Pro-Prop. 8 groups that are being targeted and harassed, some to the point of losing their jobs. Tomorrow it could be those who donated to the Republican Party or any Republican candidate.
Fascism is here.
It is the NYT, so that’s a rhetorical question, right?
Prop. 8 supporters also used the list of donors to target businesses that donated against it. They demanded an equal donation or their names would go on “a list” and their businesses boycotted. Funny how you never hear about that.
Mookie:
Boycotting businesses you disagree with is one thing. Vandalism, threats, and violence are a different matter. As far as I know, there have not been many (if any) Prop 8 supporters that used the list for any of those activities.
Scary stuff that received support starting last spring from the Obama campaign to track down opponents and intimidate and threaten them.
The White House is now collecting Obama supporter email addresses and has already used them to “activate” the base to contact their Congressional representatives to support the stimulus bill. I thought that running political activities had to be done outside government buildings and without the use of government assets…guess those rules were good before we got all hopey, changey for the new guy…
I was surprised yesterday to receive a phone call from someone who had read a letter to the editor of the local newspaper and tracked me down via the internet (I have an unpublished phone number). He was supportive of my perspective and wanted to thank me for writing the letter.
In today’s paper, there is a letter from someone who wrote a letter 2 weeks ago condemning Obama’s fiscal policy. He said that someone tracked his employer and called his supervisor to demand that he be fired for his “nutcase, rightwing propaganda”. As an untenured adjunct professor he felt intimidated when he was ordered to explain himself to the department head of his university department.
The left recognizes no limit to their tactics as long as they get their desired results. As conservatives and patriots we cannot allow this behavior to become embedded in our political system, or we can start counting the days to the collapse of the nation we love.
Write letters to your local newspaper and to magazines opposing this abominable behavior. Let others know about what is happening. Change the disclosure laws to protect the rights of individual contributors in your state and town. Stand up and be counted – the battle is on.
Here’s a copy of the letter that was sent. Sounds a bit like blackmail.
Letter
On February 8th, 2009 at 6:27 pm, in_awe said:
Nobody expects the Obama inquisition.
With Monty Python, this was funny.
With Obama, it’s fascism.
Not funny at all.
These fascists know where your political donations went. They know your employer. And they aren’t afraid to intimidate you both directly and via your employer. In today’s economy, no one wants to lose their job, so many will choose to lose their free speech instead of lose their job.
Sun rises.
Sun sets.
Omu is a moron.
There are some things in life you can just count on.
Boycotting BUSINESS is different than going after individual, private citizens.
Or now are we condoning tyrannical thug-tactics to get people to vote the way certain groups want?
I don’t remember you feeling that way about El Coyote.
Mookie, El Coyote was targeted and people were physically there to protest and harass patrons there. Until you actually have a story about those Prop-8 supporters doing the same thing to businesses maybe then you’d have a case else you can be a wee bit quieter the next time.
A little refresher for Mookie et al…
http://flapsblog.com/2008/11/14/el-coyote-mexican-cafe-bullied-into-500-donation-to-homosexual-advocacy-group/
Kokonut,
Google has a long record of hypocrisy. They assisted the Chinese government in censoring any political content the government wanted. I also saw the CEO on a news program this weekend trying to justify the Porkopollooza bill. Google gained money and power through capitalism and freedom but does not think you deserve the same opportunities. I mean, c’mon, you are part of the unwashed.
I’m fully aware of what happened at El Coyote, thanks, and feel no need to be a “wee bit quieter”.
My new name for the MSM is…
The “Wasted Talent Media”
On February 8th, 2009 at 8:50 pm, Mookie said:
Alright then, try a “wee bit more intelligent” instead.
Mookie, Omu, Why don’t you both go to an LGBT meeting and tell them you want to see a protest (Stop the Hate) parade in South Central LA, Compton, Oakland and all of the Barrios in between. Tell them that they should especially hit the churches and shut down the taco stands (especially the ones from Michoacan)
It sure is easy to come online and yell about hate on a blog.