Reid blocks bipartisan amendment requiring citizenship verification for stimulus recipients
GOP Sen. Jeff Sessions and Democrat Sen. Ben Nelson attempted several times to bring their bipartisan amendment to the floor last week. SA 239 would require local governments and businesses that receive porkulus money to use the federal E-Verify citizenship check system.
On the House side, a long term extension of the E-Verify program passed there 407-2 (Conservative Oasis).
But Democrat Sen. Majority Leader Harry Reid refused to allow it to come to the floor. Now, we’re headed for cloture.
“While it is difficult to believe that Senate leaders might insist that illegal aliens have the same chance at new stimulus jobs as unemployed Americans, this scenario may now be at hand,” says Roy Beck of Numbers USA. “SA 239 is now unlikely to receive a floor vote.”
The provision is not included in the Sellout Substitute Amendment forged by the Turncoat Caucus and the Democrats.
Who’s Dingy Harry looking out for?
“Undocumented Americans,” of course.
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Isn’t the whole point of the stimulus to stimulate the world economy and not just ours? Aren’t we a world society?
/sarc off
Nothing like our tax dollars flowing out of the country. (faster than they already are)
Harry(tommy boy)Reid should be run out of this Country.
Dingy Harry is one of the unhinged Americans. I hope this comes back to haunt him.
Not surprised one bit. This spending bill has so many Americans watching and is going to enrage so many. Hopefully people that voted for change for the sake of change will understand that next time you just want change, you better demand disclosure on what that change it.
Jose: (calling his cousin in Mexico) Yeah, it just showed up in my mailbox, a check from the government for $1,000.00. You better get up here and bring the family so you can get one too.
Last line of a poem I read sometime ago, a Mexican man in awe of how he is treated as an illegal in the U.S.
And if the Americans don’t like it, well they can just go. There’s lots of room now down in Mexico!!
Wait a minute. The Senate thinks it’s a good idea to include a “buy American” clause in the porkulus bill, but not an “employe Americans (and legal aliens)” clause???
Harry Reid is a despicable traitor.
And the Republicans response will be…..zzzzzzz!!!
Michael Steele should be directing the RNC to advertise this everywhere, fliers on people’s lawns if they have to.
I have had enough PC speech thank you very much.
This was deliberately done by Reid, so it will become a disparate item and can be removed from the bill by the House/Senate conference committee.
No one should be surprised by Reid’s actions.
I loathe him.
What an SOB. Sorry, run out of patience today. Tomorrow i might be politer. Maybe.
Why should Jeff Sessions get anything in the bill if he’s not going to vote for it?
I would like for eveyone to start asking these clowns “What is your exit strategy? You can get us into ths debt. How will you get us out?”
And I ask you (this is a hard question), who is more despicable: Dingy or Botox?
A good political chess move. It forced Reid to make a decision. Nice arrow for Reid’s re-election foe to have in his/her quiver.
This is done all the time by both sides.
You all forget, this is Bush’s fault. Not Dingy Harry, not Barney Frank, not Chris Dodd, and certainly not The One. Even though all of these clowns are culpable in some way or another they get a pass.
But see, I have faith and hope that, as the Bible says, “Be sure that your sins will find you out.” That one day the American people, who profess to be Christian, will take a stand and oust these people once and for all. For “If my people, who are called by my Name will humble themselves and pray, seek My face and turn from their wicked ways then I will hear them and heal their land”. But we as his people first have to do what is in between “if” and “then”.
Himself. He needs to votes in 2010. And I’m going to help make sure he doesn’t get it. I only live 37 miles from NV, and I plan to volunteer my time to make sure he DOESN’T get re-elected.
Just remember Daschle, Mr. Reid. Anything can happen.
In other news Harry Reid has introduced a bill to repeal the ill gotten gains statute that has raised millions for law enforcement by confiscating the proceeds of criminal behavior.
I have a cousin living in Nevada. Haven’t talked to her in awhile. It’s time I called, maybe went to visit. Any good ideas for hostess’ gifts?
The Communist Party (a.k.a The Democratic [Socialist] Party)
One of the main differences between the House and the Senate version of the stimulus bill is that the Senate cut out $40 billion for State and Local Government aid.
But you can be sure that Nancy Pelosi will add this money back to the bill during the conference committee reconciliation process.
And you can be sure that a significant chunk of that money will go to bail out Pelosi’s home state of California.
There is no reason for California to get a penny of Federal money until California starts to enforce laws against ILLEGAL immigrants!
Americans in the other 49 states should not have their tax dollars spent on benefits for ILLEGAL immigrants!
And no stimulus money should go to any state that allows sanctuary cities for ILLEGAL immigrants.
If California does not get the message that it is time to send the ILLEGAL immigrants home now, they never will!
The “Earned Income Tax Credit” may end up giving $12,000 to each illegal alien.
This is “redistribution of wealth”.
It’s also “reparations”.
It’s a SCAM.
I believe that to insure that Reid lose people should do what the libs/dems/socialist done to get Obama elected. Go to that state and vote even though you are not a resident in that state. Vote early and often. Recruit the dead. All those are right out of their playbook.
That is just sick. What motivates this man?
SEUI contributions,- check
Bus trips into Nevada in Nov 2010 up 300%
Gee, I wonder why?
Reid will be tough to defeat
Here is a letter i wrote and will be emailing and faxing to anyone and everyone i can get email addresses for or fax numbers for.
Michelle:
You have the headline and story all wrong.
E-Verify verifies not only citizens, but also persons who are legally authorized to work in the United States.
Harry din’t allow the amendment because he doesn’t wants any illegals to be denied the pork.
As I have said before, Reid needs some help. He needs to retire to a rocking chair on his porch, take his aricept and an ativan, and give speeches to the birds flying by.
When full amnesty is granted, the former illegals won’t forget the largesse showered on them by the Dems, and will vote accordingly.
AlohaGuy:
SOB= Scion of Beelzebub
See, you were polite.
If it were SO Bull perhaps………
Harry Reid is one bad person to be sure.
It’s all about power, very simple. When that happens, we are duty bound to throw the bums out.
The 2009 ‘Stimulus’ Boondoggle should be termed ‘The Democrat Party Buy Votes Early Buy Votes Often Plan.
Preserving the Future for Modern Red Diaper Kids, by stealing from everyone elses Kids and Grandkids.‘
$2,000.00 dollars to put her name in the ring, and help her get 2000 signatures to run against Dingy next time around.
So I want to try to understand. Is it a good idea or not bluesoc.
Or don’t you care if it’s a good idea?
ajmontana: — I’ve got a rail and some tar, just looking for some feathers…
katablog: Tha is an unfair question unless I can answer (c) all of the above!
Of course Reid needs to keep the money flowing to the illegals – to ensure that they continue voting Democrat since ACORN is registering them. That’s why ACORN gets a big payoff in the Stimulus train wreck too.
Buy American VIA BRAZIL !?
SAO PAULO — General Motors plans to invest $1 billion in Brazil to avoid the kind of problems the U.S. automaker is facing in its home market, said the beleaguered car maker.
According to the president of GM Brazil-Mercosur, Jaime Ardila, the funding will come from the package of financial aid that the manufacturer will receive from the U.S. government and will be used to “complete the renovation of the line of products up to 2012.”
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?CategoryId=12396&ArticleId=320909
Fa-que, Reid.
I see a few other people have started to figure out that the real bill will be what comes out of conference committee. All we have so far is people staking positions and seeing who can be bought off with what promises.
Kill the Bill and leave it dead. Better to do nothing that pass this political payoff!!
Reid is looking out for himself. These people don’t care if they destroy the country as long as they are in charge.
I have already fired a fax to him… via Numbers USA…
and an email via PoliticsOL.com…
I can’t stand that old geezer.
NOT.SURE.HOW.MUCH.MORE.I.CAN.TAKE
When trying to figure out anything about this stimulus bill DO NOT think in terms of economics, finance, profit, loss, etc. You only need to look at it in the framework of what increases the power of the liberals in D.C. and increases the number of people dependent on these same liberals. This is all about using this government created “crisis” to cement the liberals in power for as long as possible.
It really is that simple.
Permitting illegal aliens to benefit from this is absurd! The same goes for sanctuary cities who are going broke because of them. It’s no different than permitting someone who crawled through your window to share in dinner.
When are we going to stop rewarding criminals?
The fact that he opposes the underlying bill is no reason not to try to improve it. Who knows? If they were allowed to improve it enough, maybe more Republicans would be able to support it – like for instance, if it included actual, real, stimulus like cap gains tax cuts, dividend/interest tax exemptions, lower rates on individuals, major spending cuts, etc. The fact that I disapprove of people jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge doesn’t preclude me from trying to talk them into using parachutes.
It’s possible that Harry Reid along with Obama are purposely overtasking the government in order for it to collapse so that a socialist government take its place, as given in the Cloward-Piven strategy inspired by Saul Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals,” as taughtt by Obama in his days as a community activist.
They’re lining up at the border right now for their handout………….
STOP..STOP…STOP paying TAXES NOW!!!
Gee,
The daily pot-shots at Republicans, for being “fiscally irresponsible” sure pales in comparison, and appears to have been a bit hollow, doesn’t it.
File Under: Be careful what you wish for.
As if their support for ACORN wasn’t enough, here is yet more proof that Democrats are against an undiluted electorate/valid elections.
But then again, if Democrats are successful in passing their unheard of spending bill I can’t see them winning an honest election for quite some time.
16 illegals sue Arizona rancher
Claim violation of rights as they crossed his land
What a piece of garbage Reid is. A guy like him.. full of Hubris.. must have a shady past. There has to be someone who knows of some illegal activity Reid has been involved in and is keeping hidden.
Pavlov’s Dog- The Democrats have the majority, that means they get rewarded by spending. This isn’t people thinking this is people reacting. To what Stimuli? Has this behavior been encoded into them so deep, they can’t do anything but respond to the Power by predictably indulging themselves in this Pork Fest? Could there be any other outcome? This is why the old argument for term limits is so appealing, when the behavior becomes so ingrained, you need to switch out the old for fresh horses or in this case fresh donkeys. Who expected Snowe, Collins or Specter to behave differently then they did? Really, I was more surprised by Diane Feinstein’s statement, she might not vote for this Porkus Giganticus. California is in financial distress “Water Parks-Slides” will not help them out of their financial hole.
When do these people in Congress become ACCOUNTABLE to us American Citizens?
The dems keep saying, “We have to do SOMETHING”. Actually, there are two alternative ideas they never mention. One is to do nothing and let the economy correct itself. That would most likely be more effective than this disgusting bill. The other is take out all the blasted, stupid pork and pass a bill that might actually work. How hard is it to understand, it is the pork that people are upset about? TAKE OUT THE PORK! And stop promising all the jobs to the unions and the illegals! Geez! I have reached the end of my patience with this crap. That total moron, harry reid, needs to be taken out…out the door and out of DC. And drag botox nan with him. Do you think there is any chance Dick Cheney would invite Reid to go duck hunting with him?
This is, obviously, a rhetorical question.
We’ve known, since time immemorial, that Democrats are the Party of Tax and Spend.
Yet, Our Little Blogger spent all her waking hours, slamming Republicans for running a 4.6% deficit – a deficit reduced from over 9%.
I would sure luv to have her explain the logic and reasoning behind that.
Actually, by the time 2010 rolls around, I may be a resident of NV. We have been looking into property there recently because the tax and spend liberals are out of control here in CA. We would save 10% of our income (double income here) if we moved to a no income tax state such as NV. It wouldn’t be that far away, and the savings would be astronomical.
I am sick and tired of paying for illegals here in CA as it is, anything to take money away from CA, I’m all for it.
The way things are going, more people are moving OUT of CA — mostly people who make a good living and are sick and tired of giving their hard earned money to losers.
Consider utah. There is a state tax but the unemployment rate is one of the lowest in the county and houses in my area are as low as 160,000 with land.
Now, watch what happens, when the Democrats realize they HAVE to raise taxes.
They won’t raise the Income tax… They’ll raise EVERY OTHER tax, so you’ll pay it on the consumer side… They’ll do everything they can, to hide it… And, at the same time, they’re gonna’ be telling you, they’re doing you a favor.
Who in hell, didn’t see this coming?
File Under: Be careful what you wish for.
I betcha the next ones to cross his land won’t be found.
This story about the illegals suing the rancher is so disgusting. It makes me want to scream, it’s so UNJUST. Does this man have a defense fund we can contribute to? I am near broke but I will happily send him $20.
At what point will Americans stop paying their taxes?
How much should we give to those who will ultimately destroy us?
Unfortunately, vigilantism will be rising as more people realize the government refuses to deal with the illegal proglem. I don’t generally sanction taking the law into your own hands, but it is looking like the old West where there was no law to be found. What is a person supposed to do?
just read the arizona rancher story, some of these wetbacks really do believe the western states are still a part of mexico. guess they think since their government won’t offer any jobs or welfare, and since they are citizens of the world per barry, they are entitled to your and my tax dollar. i wonder when the riots start between the blacks and latinos over the dwindling welfare resources.
Not really sure ..what all things Numbersusa or Roy Beck is aiming for? The bill aiming to curtail legal immigration (H1Bs) has already sailed through Senate. Also anyone know how far this is true- Souther Poverty law institute researched and presented a report linking NumbersUsa to nativist/ex klansmen John Tanton.
I am sorry Mr. Beck, I have CALLED, I have FAXED, I have E-MAILED, all to deaf ears. Since the attacks of 9/11 2001 Illegal Immigration has been MY NUMBER ONE PRIORITY! It gets so damn depressing CONSTANTLY watching these Elitist in Washington DC GIVE AWAY my childrens country,my fathers country ( WW2 Vet.). Spending money, Printing money WE DO NOT HAVE. When the Doctor told me my sciatic nerve was damaged and I would never work again, I cryed.
When I applyed for a Home loan and was denied, I cryed. When I applyed for a Grant to HELP me buy a home and was denied, I cryed. When I found out an Illegal from Mexico could come to America and apply for the SAME Home loan, and SAME Grant and get them… I cryed.
I have explained the best I can to my children Mr. Beck that this is NO LONGER The United States of America, and The Elitist in Washington DC really do not care about them.The Founding Fathers are also crying,on Deaf Ears.
Here is how he can do it:
MEXICO UNDER SIEGE:
Families want answers from man who says he dissolved 300 people
The rancher being sued is unbeleiveable!! However, a few years ago in Texas a rancher was sued and lost his ranch to the illegals, IN A US COURT. This is a slightly different case but pandora’s box has been opened. I suspect it is the encouragement of mexican authorities through the ethnic greivance grousp (la Raza) behind this.
As far as this pork bill and illegal aliens, be careful what you wish for. At some point, this will bite them in the b*tt as more Americans get really tired of being p*ssed on and told it it raininag. Payback can be a real b*tch.
For inclusion of Sessions and Nelson’s Amendment which which would require the use of E-Verify for any recipient of Federal stimulus dollars… thus, ensuring that only US citizens and legally authorized workers can benefit from jobs-related spending. It’s not raaaaaacist, it’s not “nativist”, and it’s not unreasonable either. Any other country that was to undertake such a national spending/jobs program would almost certainly employ such a requirement (in fact, such requirements are commonplace in MOST of the other nation’s economies of the world).
As to NumbersUSA/Roy Beck and the other stuff… NumbersUSA published History (in About US) on website
What we have here is a puppeteer/puppet relationship between Congress and the White House.
Hope-a-Dope doesn’t worry me so much, because he isn’t in the driver’s seat for the next 2 to 4 years.
Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are.
The Dear Leader is nothing but a figurehead, and that’s by his own choice. He’s more interested in playing “pretend-President” and enjoying all the pomp, privileges and flourishes of the office than in actually leading.
So Nancy and Harry will keep shuffling the papers under the Dear Leader’s nose, and he’ll keep on signing them — without caring or even knowing what they are.
It’s going to be just like that scene from “I, Claudius” in which the Emperor’s advisers get him royally drunk and then quickly start passing the edicts in front of him for imperial seal, including the order for the execution of his own wife.
It’d be bad enough if the federal government was rudderlesss, but it’s worse than that: for we have Nancy and Harry giving orders to a modern-day Louis XVI at the helm, and guiding him unerringly toward the waterfall.
No…Their website doesn’t mention about John Tanton or anyhting aobut its original roots. I am more looking for an independent verification and not their own website. NumbersUSA has been against legal immigration as well (simetimes based on bogus claims) and so I want to know if they are rightly against just illegal immigration or against anyone non white.
It’s simple folks. They want to replace the American electorate with people they think they can buy off with gov’t bennies, i.e. most of the population of Mexico.
Last week on Bill O’Reilly, he laid out the truth…the Democrats want one-party rule. Just as the PRI ran Mexico into the ground with 75 years of one-party rule, the Democrats will do the same here.
Don’t ask me, ask him. I also don’t engage in the practice of letting a third party speak to the history or intentions of a 2nd party. Go directly to the source if you really want to know something. As for me, I don’t practice ‘guilt by association’.
The Southern Povetry Law Center? Are you frickin’ kidding me? You’ll be posting links from the American Nazi Party next.
Naw, you’re just trolling.
Who’s running against him? It’s not too early to donate, which I would happily do. The RNC should target this guy too.
it’s all about votes if they can manage to push through shamnesty….give them jobs and they vote for them illegal or when they become citizens but will never assimilate…
This should be called “The Illegal Alien Employment Act Of 2009″.
Nice…Just make a random excuse instead of answering question…You should just go and read Huffington post as you belong there.
Fine, I’ll do what you do and “just ask a question”.
Is there any truth to the story that brad_sk is a child molester? I need some information from a third party source and not from brad_sk, who cannot be trusted to answer this.
I did no make any “excuse”. I pointed out that you’re here spreading lies in the guise of “asking questions”.
Don’t show up on a conservative site and quote those whores at the SPLC and expect to get away with it.
I looked at Utah last year, and while there were a lot of homes with land out there, none were really suitable for us. Besides, the over 5% income tax rate is still not all that appealing when you consider 0% in NV.
You’re an abject moron. The people at HuffPo talk exactly like you, constantly accusing everyone they disagree with of being racists, fascists, and klansmen.
US Population Clock:
http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html
Current US Pop.: U.S. 305,782,455
(as of this writing @ 10:04am PT)
Overall, we add over 100,000 persons to the US population each month, while, at the same time, we have averaged job losses of about 550,000 recently. Why shouldn’t we protect Americans who are struggling to make ends meet by protecting their jobs? What is wrong with that???
To impose a mandatory tax on Americans to provide economic benefits to persons living here without legal permission (much less working here lacking permission – and many of whom also pay no or less than their fair share of taxes to boot…) lacks a Constitutional basis IMHO.
Permanent Dem control. Thanks Snowe, Collins, Specter.
I am not clear if you are saying that the stimulus is the tool which protects their jobs; however, an economic recovery requires that the causes of the failures be addressed and not just the effects of those failures.
In some cases, those jobs might be temporarily saved, but the businesses employing them might ultimately fail anyway since they had less motivation to fix the problem when they could simply be saved by the government.
Macro economics can be a tough thing in capitalism when perceived from the view of individual stories of people losing jobs, but you cannot “fix” capitalism with a socialist program. No one likes the job losses or rise in unemployment, but our economic system grew to be great under the fundamental principles of capitalism. To abandon them now due to panic could do even more harm and prolong the pain. Not to mention that the money for this spending has to come from somewhere. The growing population clock you reference might be the best reference of all as to who will have to pay the bill.
On this, we are agreed. However, constitutional merit does not seem to be of much concern to Congress these days.
Qualifier for poster Salt –
Sorry, wasn’t too clear… I meant: from allowing illegals to encroach upon the competition for jobs, not to imply that the American worker has an unconditional ‘right’ necessarily to a job.
Totally agree with you about the Congress and the Constitution thing.
I don’t see anybody suggesting that we abandon the fundamental principles of capitalism. I do see people saying that the government should require that any employers receiving “stimulus” money must verify that the people it employs are legally in the country. How can anybody argue with that?
Yes, T-Dave. The United States of America isn’t a nation limited by the archaic idea of being defined by geographical borders. The USA is an idea
bringing hope and change to the entire world. In that sense, all people of Earth are citizens of the USA.
/obama-demagog-mode off
People breaking into my country (my home) should be treated like people breaking into my house (my home).
Brad_sk… Mr. Beck IS a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT!
He built NumbersUSA to make Americans aware of whats happening in this country. He keeps citizens informed of what YOUR Govt. is doing to INCREASE IMMIGRATION… LEGAL & ILLEGAL!
http://www.numbersusa.com/content/
I suggest you watch the videos he has on his site explaining what NumbersUSA hopes to do for YOU and YOUR CHILDREN!
You are right..You can not just trust my answer for that question…Similarly proofs should come from law enforcement or third party. You are contradicting your self here – much like huffpo libtard… Idiot.
Secondly SPLC has clearly given reasoning on why/how linked NumbersUsa to John Tanton.
Harry can “just smell” tourists coming in the summer in Washington.
His real opinion of illegals would be interesting to hear. My guess is he thinks they “really” stink but the smell of money and power is his deodorant!
Too bad the illegals cannot figure out how they are all being used as pawns and are helping this country become like those they are escaping from.
Very true..This is the argument behind Kerkorian’s book on the case against immigration. I am in this camp. I don’t believe that recent immigrants any different than for great grandfathers. I feel the reason we should reduce illegal immigration is because we already have a healthy population.
Sorry, flenser. As I mentioned, I wasn’t certain what the reference to saving the jobs was. On this point, I agree. The stimulus should not go to illegal immigrants. I apologize for my confusion on the earlier post. I mistook it as an argument pro-stimulus.
vigilantism: GWB’s description of Americans watching for illegal boarder crossings and reporting to ICE…what a president he was.
I prefer to call it the 2nd American Revolution as opposed to being vigilantism.
Look, you left wing troll, stop pretending that I’m the “libtard” here.
It took me ten seconds with google to turn up some examples of your commenting history around the internet.
For instance, leaping to the defence of Nancy Pelosi when some conservative attacked her over at a left-wing web site.
You also quote the far-left SPLC as if it’s a source which is worth anything.
Here you are responding to the question “How would you like 50K Somali’s moved into your 10K resident community, courtesy of Uncle Sam?”. Your answer -
You’re a left-wing loon of exactly the sort that infests HuffPo.
The question I’m asking you is why anyone not badly infected with the moonbat virus thinks that the SPLC is worth citing on any topic.
And your inital lie was that that Tanton was a member of the Klan, not that he was somehow linked to NumbersUSA.
If you were not so illiterate, you might have noticed that even the lying lefties at the SPLC did not say that Tanton was a klansman. You made that up yourself out of your own twisted little lefty brain.
Well, then you would have also got examples of various posts where I supported and praised true conservative Ron Paul…or you just conveniently left those examples out as you did with Somalis reference. Why didn’t you paste my next two lines of comment on that? Afraid of truth or just plain liberalism or should I say RINOism?
Did you even bother to read the link/report? or you just wanted to lie on the SPLC itself? I am not saying SPLC might be right here..I am trying to see proofs/references on what is incorrect in their report? But I guess debating with libtards like you is useless in finding truth. Keep continuing to worship your lying RINO/libtard gods, jerk.
What did I “conveniently” leave out with the Somali reference? Go ahead and cite it if you think it helps you. But it does not.
It’s hardly news to anyone that a lot of Pauls support was coming from the left. That’s why his supporters have become a running joke on every conservative web site.
I did read that disgusting lefty hit piece. Nowhere does it claim that Tanton is an ex-klansman. As I say, you made that crap up all by yourself.
I guess debating with libtards like you
Right. You’re the one with the hard left commenting history, but I’m the libtard. Perhaps you can extract your head from whatever orifice it’s crammed into long enough to explain exactly what “libtard” positions you think I’m taking.
Let me ask you straight out: What political theory do you espouse?
Point well taken. I pray this 2nd Revolution is not as bloody as the last one!
From that garbage SPLC link -
Great, they cite themselves as calling FAIR a “hate group”.
I, flenser, hereby list the SPLC as a hate group. See how easy that is?
I encourage everyone else mentioning the SPLC from now on to say “.. the SPLC, which flenser has listed as a hate group ..”.
Sometimes, it is hard for me to determine who are trolls and who aren’t! For instance, I am a very very right wing conservative grandmother (who only drives my car on Sundays to go to church). I always have been conservative, and always will be. My posts have always been conservative, yet Pasadena Phil totally went off on me, calling me a moron and a “leftie” and accusing me of trying to sabbotage the thread. It was very hurtful. I know the written word can sometimes be misunderstood. We need to read the posts very carefully and think before we respond so as not to hurt the feelings of like-minded people who are here to get comfort from each other. Everyone should feel free to express their opinions, but in a courteous manner, if possible. Of course, that excludes the obvious trolls like lgm, redstate and i hatemycountry. You can be nasty to them all you want!
brad_sk, I can’t really tell from your posts, but what exactly is your beef with NumbersUSA? Set aside for a minute ANYTHING that worthless SPLC has to say. They throw around racists/bigots/xenophobes more often than Sharpton and Jackson combined. Your beef appears to be based on their belief (and mine) that an overall decrease in immigration (legal and illegal) is required. Something you appear to agree with, at least for illegal immigration. Our population growth is unsustainable and the primary reason is due to 1) mass legal immigration 2) high birth rates of the immigrant populations and 3) illegal immigration. In that order. Illegal immigration is considered a pittance of the first 2 causes in absolute numbers. Even the Census bureau projects a population exceeding 500M by 2060 and appraoch 1B by the turn of the century. I don’t see how that could be considered a good thing by anyone.