As Maine goes…

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 9, 2009 09:34 AM

so goes the porkulus.

Maine taxpayers, do your Senators speak for you?

If not, make your voices heard. If the phones and e-mailboxes are clogged, get down to your Senators’ regional offices. Dump teabags on their doorsteps. Protest Collins’ and Snowe’s collusion in this act of generational theft.

Speak now or forever hold your peace.

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Contact info for the Turncoat Caucus…thanks to commenter INC:

Sen. Collins’ D.C. & state offices.

Sen. Snowe’s state offices.

(D.C. office is not on that page, but you can link to it from there)

Sen. Specter’s D.C. & state offices.

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  1. #1
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:35 am, southsideironworks said:

    Throw them both out of the GOP!

  2. #2
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:41 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    You don’t understand. The people of Maine think these women are conservative republicans. :roll:

  3. #3
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:43 am, INC said:
  4. #4
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:43 am, southsideironworks said:

    Stop the flow of campaign cash to Collins and Snowe.

  5. #5
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:45 am, no2pcbs1 said:

    2 bodies, one overworked brain cell. what a waste of two senate seats.

  6. #6
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:47 am, lgm said:

    Very conservative Republicans are not that popular right now. Maine is a working class state with lots of job losses. My guess is that her Senators would not buck the Republican leadership without knowing how their constituents feel.

  7. #7
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:48 am, INC said:

    Collins D.C. & state offices.

    Snowe state offices.

    (D.C. office is not on that page, but you can link to it from there)

    Specter D.C. & state offices.

  8. #8
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:51 am, bradley said:

    I tried to call Collins of Maine three days ago and her voice mailbox was full. Apparently she doesn’t listen to taxpayers. I e-mailed her and told her since she can’t hear now, apparently, it’s time for her to retire.

  9. #9
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:51 am, WrathOfKhan said:

    “Maine taxpayers, do your Senators speak for you?”

    No, they don’t; they are the official voices for the State of Maine in Washington. Representatives represent the population; Senators represent the state.

  10. #10
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:53 am, Marshall Russ said:

    At least our two gals make no excuses for being liberals. Once again it’s the fence sitting so-called moderates that do the country in. This should put an end to the calls for embracing and reaching out to moderates in the Republican Party and shifting away from conservatism. Michael Steele needs to take note.

  11. #11
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:54 am, maine yankee said:

    Here in Maine, The local opposition receives very little support from the DNC. Why waste the money when you can always count on the RINO.

  12. #12
    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:58 am, NC BLUE said:

    Looking at those pictures makes me want to puke. Looks like they are both saying we got you, you low rent — as the knife goes in the back. I e-mailed Michael Steele and suggested he resign in protest–why should he endure this absolute traitor behaviour.

  13. #13
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am, Craig said:

    We sank the Maine over a hundred years ago. Looks like we need to sink it again.

  14. #14
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:01 am, zyzzyg said:

    Tea Bags?

    Is that some sort of reference to ‘taxation without representation’? What is the connection between tea bags and the ‘stimulus’ bill?

    Bacon, pork chops, or ‘bacon bits’ might be better to drop off vice tea bags.

    Residents of Maine have representation, with votes in the House and Senate. Residents of Wash, DC do not.

    Or, does the Tea Bag drop, have some other meaning?

  15. #15
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:05 am, CW4_KGP said:

    Well, the Senators seem to be short quite a few brain cells.

    Unfortunately, the voters of Maine are not much better. They show their Massachusetts roots by voting for these two over and over and over again…..maybe they just need to let Teddy and Jawn Carri be their Senators. Equally effective for America.

  16. #16
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am, chapoutier said:

    Or, does the Tea Bag drop, have some other meaning?

    Well…it does, but only if you’ve ever pledged a frat and its not really appropriate for this forum.

  17. #17
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Fax to Steele’s office not going through, e-mailed a copy

    XXXXX OPERATING COMPANY

    5555 Westheimer, Suite 1776 telephone: 713-953-5555
    Houston, TX 77056 fax: 713-952-5555

    February 9, 2009

    The Honorable Chariman Michael Steele
    Republican National Committee
    (202) 863-8820

    Sir:

    If the Republican party can not sustain a filibuster against the seriously flawed House Resolution 1, I will not support the Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee or the National GOP in any way unless the Republican senators who voted for cloture or indicated a willingness to vote for cloture to prevent a filibuster are not publically excluded from receiving funds. I will not send my hard earned money to support candidates like Senator Specter in 2010 who do not share my conservative principles.

    I have contributed in the past to President Bush, Congressman Duncan Hunter, Senator McCain during the general election, the RNC and ‘SarahPAC’, as well as LTC Bill Russell’s campaign against John Murtha. I plan to do my best to help fiscal and social conservatives win back power in 2010 and 2012, but I will not support a Republican who is not conservative.

    I would prefer a meeting of the caucus, of the type the Democrats had concerning Senator Lieberman’s patriotic support for Senator McCain last year, to vote whether any senators who regularly vote with Senator Reid should be allowed to remain in the caucus. Clearly, if they won’t support the filibuster in this case, they will never support any filibuster, and it won’t matter if their expulsion results in more than 60 Democratic senators. At a minimum, a public declaration now of non-support from the National Party for those not with the rest of the Republican caucus before tomorrow’s vote should be made.

    Sincerely,

    Edward M. Mahmoud
    5555 Sugar Candy Mountain
    Houston, TX 77014

    E-mail generated automatic reply.

  18. #18
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:14 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Gak, I spelled ‘chairman’ wrong…

  19. #19
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:18 am, FamilyMan said:

    If this garbage passes, you folks better put your money into hard assets. In two years we will have a minimum of 20% inflation. If your hard assets aren’t payed off, be sure your job has inflationary increases built in. If you are on a fixed income,
    YOU’RE SCREWED!!!!

  20. #20
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:20 am, DBNinKY said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 9:47 am, lgm said:

    Very conservative Republicans are not that popular right now.

    Neither is this spending bill; nor is Obama where he used to be, thanks to his fear mongering to get this thing passed. Collins, Spector and Snowe should put the good of the country first.

  21. #21
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:27 am, gaffman said:

    Snowe and Collins were a step above the socialist crap running against them,but I would rather have known we were scr#wed than been sold out.

  22. #22
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am, Paul Revere said:

    Collins is playing politics. She’s stated (ahem) that she won’t vote for a final porked up bill from the House/Senate committee when she knows that’s exactly what will come from this. In the end, she will most likely vote against the final bill so she can say to her “moderate friends” in Yankee land that she tried. By that time it’ll be too late to stop the bill (which she knows as well).

  23. #23
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:32 am, CyberCipher said:

    Why is it that these people can’t seem to grasp the concept that massive debt eventually comes due? How will we ever pay for all this? Suggestions, collie?

    My collie says:

    Sell Maine to Quebec. Toss in Vermont for free. Offer up their citizens for rent — as lifetime indentured servants to the French Canadians, along with the next ten generations of their offspring.

    Wow collie — and you accuse ME of being harsh.

  24. #24
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am, CyberCipher said:

    P.S. BTW, I’d offer up my fellow Washingtonians and Oregonians for rent to the Canadians as well, but the good people of British Columbia have already refused them on the grounds that they are too stupid to make good slaves.

  25. #25
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:37 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:32 am, CyberCipher said:

    My collie says:

    Sell Maine to Quebec. Toss in Vermont for free. Offer up their citizens for rent — as lifetime indentured servants to the French Canadians, along with the next ten generations of their offspring.

    I love CC’s collie!!!

    CC’s Collie for POTUS. At least he has a brain.

    If I had a dog like CC’s collie, I could rule the world. NARF!

  26. #26
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am, Socky said:

    Ugh. Basically, all Obama did was buy her dinner and turn on the charm, and Susan Collins is ready to spend a trillion dollars. What a disgrace to women.

    Also, Collins, Specter, and Snowe are the kind of senators Bill Grant wants to see Republicans elect more of.

  27. #27
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am, CyberCipher said:
    P.S. BTW, I’d offer up my fellow Washingtonians and Oregonians for rent to the Canadians as well, but the good people of British Columbia have already refused them on the grounds that they are too stupid to make good slaves.

    ROFL. You been munchin’ on the dogs chew toy?

  28. #28
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am, rplatt said:

    Kick their leftist butts over to the Democrats. Yes, they’ll have their 60 votes for a while but cleansing the Party of those malignant growths will be worth it.

  29. #29
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Perhaps Integrity is out of the question for these two bubble headed broads. Shouldn’t they be hanging from a rear view mirror?

    From Canada, No Less: In many “non-progressive” cities of America, children still learn to understand and appreciate freedom and democracy, and are taught learn to celebrate, rather than repudiate, American heritage and history. In such cities, students are required to learn about the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment. By contrast, in San Francisco children learn that all injustice and human suffering originates with America. Hating America is a sign of intellectual and spiritual superiority, according to this town’s goofy leftists… Because of San Francisco’s unhealthy liberalism and warped teaching ideals, it was necessary for the NRA to step in and teach the citizenry of this city a badly needed lesson about the Second Amendment. All told, Gun Rights 101, cost San Francisco $800,000 at a time when the city is battling a budget deficit…

  30. #30
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am, bluesoc said:

    Maybe it’s because only 31% of Americans approve of Congressional Republicans’ handling of the stimulus (as opposed to 48% for Democrats and 67% for Obama.) Seems like a decent political move.

  31. #31
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:55 am, rplatt said:

    Very conservative Republicans are not that popular right now.

    Perhaps not at this moment, but when the brain-impaired slugs that voted for Obama discover that they are slaves to the messiah and his Marxist state, they may change their attitudes. But even if they don’t, he still must contend with the other half of the country that does find conservative Republicans very attractive..

  32. #32
    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:58 am, gaffman said:

    Why sell Maine?They will give it to the Restore crowd to create a woodsy retreat for civilian security forces.

  33. #33
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:00 am, swede said:

    If I’m following this…

    1. House passes 850B bill that stimulates nothing but left wing entitlement causes.
    2. Senate gets bill and adds another 100B.
    3. Curly Collins, Moe Snowe, and Larry Specter cut 100B
    4. Now its OK.

    I think I’ll buy stock in Maalox.

    Per Resmussen yesterday, support for this nonsense is down to 37% (and falling) and for the first time opposition exceeds support. (45%) Follow MM’s lead and keep up the pressure. If the 3 stooges see this will hurt them they just might back off. Not likely, but worth a try.

  34. #34
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:04 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am, Socky said:

    Ugh. Basically, all Obama did was buy her dinner and turn on the charm, and Susan Collins is ready to spend a trillion dollars. What a disgrace to women.

    Well, it’s probably the first time anybody bought her dinner in 40 years…

  35. #35
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:06 am, zerodamage said:

    You guys do not understand. Maine is considered the hippie state of the northeast. Collins and Snowe are as conservative as Maine will elect. While I am no longer a resident of Maine, I keep up with what is going on in the state since it is my home state. The state used to be very conservative with the pro-hunting and pro-gun types but that is no longer the state. There is a huge drug problem in the state with regards to pot use. Conservative towns where I grew up elect very liberal congressmen. The state’s economic situation is very poor as well. Apparently Snowe and Collins speak for the Mainiacs because they keep re-electing Snowe and Collins.

  36. #36
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:07 am, expres12 said:

    There’s enough money on the line to payoff 90% of outstanding mortgages…

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aGq2B3XeGKok&refer=home

    U.S. Taxpayers Risk $9.7 Trillion on Bailouts as Senate Votes

    By Mark Pittman and Bob Ivry

    Feb. 9 (Bloomberg) — The stimulus package the U.S. Congress is completing would raise the government’s commitment to solving the financial crisis to $9.7 trillion, enough to pay off more than 90 percent of the nation’s home mortgages.

  37. #37
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:07 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am, bluesoc said:

    Maybe it’s because only 31% of Americans approve of Congressional Republicans’ handling of the stimulus (as opposed to 48% for Democrats and 67% for Obama.) Seems like a decent political move.

    This poll is as useless as all push polls are (assuming you got it from and poll and didn’t just make it up as usual), given that Republicans aren’t “handling” the stimulus at all. The Dems are simply trying to push them into supporting it for political cover.

  38. #38
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:11 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    This is a great read.

  39. #39
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am, happyscrapper said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:01 am, zyzzyg said:
    Tea Bags?

    Is that some sort of reference to ‘taxation without representation’? What is the connection between tea bags and the ’stimulus’ bill?

    I brought up this idea yesterday…that we should all mail tea bags to these three RINO’s. If we all did it at the same time, it could have some impact. The purpose of the tea bags is to protest what we consider to be lack of representation. When Reid and Pelosi ram this pork-laden bill down everyone’s throats, they are doing their own thing…that is NOT representing the best interests of the people, especially the 50+ million citizens who did NOT vote for any democrats. How hard was that to comprehend?

  40. #40
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am, Cosmo said:

    Look at these pictures…are they twins?

  41. #41
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am, chapoutier said:

    This poll is as useless as all push polls are (assuming you got it from and poll and didn’t just make it up as usual), given that Republicans aren’t “handling” the stimulus at all. The Dems are simply trying to push them into supporting it for political cover

    Yeah…that “Gallup” company…totally unreliable. I mean whoever heard of them? I don’t trust any poll unless it is an AOL online strawpoll.

  42. #42
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am, txvet2 said:

    onservative towns where I grew up elect very liberal congressmen. The state’s economic situation is very poor as well

    It’s the neverending socialist death spiral. They elect Democrats who promise them everything, then when the economy falls apart, they elect more Democrats because they promise to cure all the ills they caused last time around. It’s hard for conservatives, because nobody can outpromise a liberal, and telling people that the solution to their problems is to step and solve them themselves isn’t as palatable as “I’m from the government and I’m going to solve your problems for you”.

  43. #43
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:19 am, aimcifer said:

    Maine has gone liberal. No, Maine does not think Snowe and Collins are conservative Republicans~ they are re-eleted for two reasons. First, in the past hey have done a good job of keeping their constituants in mind (esp. in terms of things such as the shipyard.) Second, they are moderates. Do you really think they’d be in office otherwise? Leftist Maine wouldn’t vote in a conservative anymore. I stupidly voted for Collins in the last election over Tom Allen, figuring she’d at least be better than him– however, I was wrong! And yes, I’ve been flooding Snowe and Collins with emails and trying to get through by phone as well. It doesn’t matter, because they’re not listening; they are only talking about those who have written in to thank them for supporting the porkulus package. The rest of us who are flooding their phones and inboxes do not matter. While Maine is a liberal state, there are still many here who are appalled at the damage Snowe and Collins are doing.

  44. #44
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:20 am, conservativesRus said:

    Very conservative Republicans are not that popular right now

    Sorry – conservative is popular. Watered down mish mash isn’t very popular with conservatives.

  45. #45
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:22 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am, chapoutier said:

    This poll is as useless as all push polls are (assuming you got it from and poll and didn’t just make it up as usual), given that Republicans aren’t “handling” the stimulus at all. The Dems are simply trying to push them into supporting it for political cover

    Yeah…that “Gallup” company…totally unreliable. I mean whoever heard of them? I don’t trust any poll unless it is an AOL online strawpoll.

    He didn’t link or reference any particular poll, which leads me to think that you are also, as usual, making it up. But at least he sound marginally intelligent while he’s doing it. And if you think that Gallup never does push polls, you haven’t been paying attention.

  46. #46
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:23 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:11 am, Red State Skeptic said:
    This is a great read.

    Personal economic trainers would confirm all this. Until they’re on board, however, here’s a little crib sheet on stimulus economics:

    Spending is stimulus, no matter what it’s for and who does it. The best spending is that which creates jobs and economic activity now, has big payoffs later and disappears from future budgets.

    Good read overall but I have to throw a flag and penalize you 15 yards for bullchips.

    How does spending our tax dollars for abortions overseas stimulate our economy?

    That is a broad brush statement at best and a straw man for sure. That is like saying “drugs cure disease so we should take every drug made and stay healthy.”

    Remove that error and it is a good read.

  47. #47
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am, happyscrapper said:

    It is unbelievable to me that the liberals can look at the same statistics as normal people, and see something entirely different. For instance, in the heavily democrat cities (Detroit, Chicago, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Seattle, New Orleans)…the crime rate, drug rate, gangs, poverty, corruption, etc. are sky-high. Contrast with the cities and states run by conservative republicans. The contrast is stark and irrefutable. Yet, they still think their way is best. The lunatics are running the asylum and there is no escape.

  48. #48
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am, chapoutier said:

    He didn’t link or reference any particular poll, which leads me to think that you are also, as usual, making it up. But at least he sound marginally intelligent while he’s doing it. And if you think that Gallup never does push polls, you haven’t been paying attention.

    Yes he did. You know what those nice red letters that change your arrow to a pointy finger when you scroll over them?Try pressing the right clicky button on your mouse-a-ma-jig and see what happens!

  49. #49
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am, Salt said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:11 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    This is a great read.

    Read it, but wasn’t too impressed. After searching a bit more, I learned more about Steven Pearlstein as he was a supporter of Paulson’s TARP plan.

    Here’s a liberal opinion of Steven Pearlstein from Glenn Greenwald.

    (I still like the link that Michelle posted last week.)

  50. #50
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am, granite said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:18 am, txvet2 said:

    It’s the neverending socialist death spiral. They elect Democrats who promise them everything, then when the economy falls apart, they elect more Democrats because they promise to cure all the ills they caused last time around. It’s hard for conservatives, because nobody can outpromise a liberal, and telling people that the solution to their problems is to step and solve them themselves isn’t as palatable as “I’m from the government and I’m going to solve your problems for you”.

    Exactly.
    The socialists, acting as nothing more than arsonists, start a fire (screw up the economy); then, they scream for more gasolione to put out the fire.

    Dangerous idiots….

  51. #51
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:29 am, granite said:

    Aargh!
    …gasoline….

  52. #52
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:31 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am, chapoutier said:

    Yes he did. You know what those nice red letters that change your arrow to a pointy finger when you scroll over them?Try pressing the right clicky button on your mouse-a-ma-jig and see what happens!

    My bad. I read it three times, and still missed it. Doesn’t change my point that Gallup also does push polling. OTOH, other polls that have been mentioned over the past few days still show that support for the sandwich is dropping like a rock.

  53. #53
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am, chapoutier said:

    Doesn’t change my point that Gallup also does push polling.

    It may, but does this one look like a push poll question to you? Be honest.

  54. #54
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:40 am, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am, bluesoc said:

    Maybe it’s because only 31% of Americans approve of Congressional Republicans’ handling of the stimulus (as opposed to 48% for Democrats and 67% for Obama.) Seems like a decent political move.

    Political moves are what got us into this mess. A poll on how someone feels about how the parties are handling this only separate the sheeple from the people.

    Now start polling Economists and see what you get…

  55. #55
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am, DBNinKY said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am, bluesoc said:

    So when our grown children and grandchildren tire of working sixteen hour days seven days a week, with little to show for it, and come to us asking why we sat idly by and allowed their futures to mortgaged to pay for the Democrats’ outrageous spending bill, we’re to tell them that Gallop said it was the popular thing to do?!

    Get real!

    BTW, a Gallop survey is just as misleading a snapshot of temporary opinion as any other; I refuse to indenture future Americans to the Chinese by supporting this spending bill, based on what a Gallop poll infers I should do.

  56. #56
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    How does spending our tax dollars for abortions overseas stimulate our economy?

    OK, but he was referring to the current stimulus proposal, not foreign aid. It was implied that “Domestic spending is stimulus, no matter what…”

  57. #57
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am, DBNinKY said:

    Like GOP Chairman Steele said, stimulus that makes jobs doesn’t create jobs, i.e., government stimulus derived jobs will be temporary; only the private sector can create permanent, worthwhile employment. Tax cuts are what we need – pronto!

  58. #58
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am, chapoutier said:

    It may, but does this one look like a push poll question to you? Be honest.

    I’m always honest. I’m not always right, but I don’t lie. In response, these particular questions are, as is frequently the case, so vague as to be meaningless. Virtually everybody can agree that some sort of stimulus plan can be effective in helping the economy. The devil, as they say, is in the details – or more accurately, in whether you think that markets or the government is better able to solve the problem.

  59. #59
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:50 am, rplatt said:

    Oh please . . . enough of that tired poll citing. The majority of media polls are mathematical garbage and are designed to influence, not inform. if you want to make argument state your case but get off of the poll crap.

  60. #60
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:51 am, chapoutier said:

    BTW, a Gallop survey is just as misleading a snapshot of temporary opinion as any other; I refuse to indenture future Americans to the Chinese by supporting this spending bill, based on what a Gallop poll infers I should do.

    That was hardly what bluesoc was trying to say..

  61. #61
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:52 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    As with the followers of Karl Marx, the acolytes of John Maynard Keynes will be forever faithful, no matter now many times the market shows them to be wrong.

  62. #62
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:55 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:41 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    OK, but he was referring to the current stimulus proposal, not foreign aid. It was implied that “Domestic spending is stimulus, no matter what…”

    I will still call bullchips on spending is stimulus no matter what – including this current “stimulus” proposal where spending is more debt creation.

    You know, I can “spend” $150,000 on a car with the majority going to vanity
    or I can spend $15,000. How many more jobs were created? That is what these idiots are doing. They are placing on us a “package” that is better looking because of the high price tag and the majority of this BS is just ego and vanity.

  63. #63
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:55 am, RedDog said:

    Well I sent strongly worded emails to my TN senators as well as these two. I noticed Snowe is partnering with Ron Wyden D-OR to “Recover Wall Street Bonuses”. Recover for whom? The Congressional cafeteria? Why doesn’t she try to recover the subprime trillions her colleagues in Congress stole from the Treasury and my 401K? How ’bout that Oly?

    What does that tell you about her politics. Someone tell me why she is even a Republican? Is Republican the new Socialist and Democrat the new Marxist? Where does that leave us?

  64. #64
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:56 am, cheapseat said:

    MM; YOU NEED TO PUBLISH MICHAEL STEELE’S PHONE NUMBER, AS OUR THREE WOBBLIES NEED AN ECONOMICS LESSON MR STEELE SHOULD BE VERY ANXIOUS TO RENDER. MR MCCONNELL BETTER HAVE SOME LESSONS TO TEACH THESE THREE MORONS ALSO, OR HIS DAYS AS MINORITY LEADER ARE NUMBERED.

  65. #65
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    Read it, but wasn’t too impressed. After searching a bit more, I learned more about Steven Pearlstein as he was a supporter of Paulson’s TARP plan.

    Here’s a liberal opinion of Steven Pearlstein from Glenn Greenwald.

    So you won’t listen to what he says because you already disagreed with him on something else, although your evidence of how he’s wrong is from someone you already disagree with?

    (I still like the link that Michelle posted last week.)

    Sorry, but you really have to do better than this.

    “1. The Stimulus Will Not Work … The New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression”

    Don’t believe the lies. The US had astronomical GDP and employment growth during the New Deal and only lost that growth when FRD decided to abandon the New Deal in 1937-38.

    “2. The Stimulus follows the same plan that ruined Japan’s economy”

    Lies lies lies. Japan’s idea of stimulus was to build bridges and roads to nowhere while cutting government jobs elsewhere and raising taxes. Our plan is 100% different. Lying Republicans know this, but they’d rather lie and have Americans suffer than concede and let Democrats get the credit for reviving the economy.

    “3. The Stimulus is full of Wasteful Projects”

    You can debate whether Americans get better value from building roads and bridges than they would get from researching STD’s (I wouldn’t agree) but you can’t argue that one stimulates the economy while the other doesn’t. Scientists and social workers spend money too.

    “4. The Government Can’t Afford the Stimulus”

    Are you %#@% kidding me! Republican Senators just voted for Mike DeMint’s three TRILLION dollar tax cut “stimulus.” The Democratic plan is less than one third as expensive.

    “8. Remember the $750 Billion Bailout from this Fall?
    It was just a couple months ago when we were told if we would just quickly hand over $750 billion to the Treasury Secretary to bailout his friends on Wall Street, he would make the economy all better. That didn’t work, and neither will an additional $825 billion.”

    TARP has/had its flaws, but it DID work to pump money into banks and get credit flowing, albeit not like 2006. We let Lehman Bros go, but people have no idea the number of financial institutions that have been saved. Now thanks to TARP and the Fed being loose with the cash, there fortunately is money to go to business, just not demand to spend on their goods and services. That’s why we need more jobs quick.

  66. #66
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Salt said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am, chapoutier said:

    Doesn’t change my point that Gallup also does push polling.

    It may, but does this one look like a push poll question to you? Be honest

    As worded in the poll:

    Do you approve or disapprove of the way each of the following has handled the government’s efforts to pass an economic stimulus bill?

    I understand that wording a poll question is extremely tricky; however, what if your position is that you did not want the bill to pass? It seems to indicate no matter how you answer that you agree that the bill should be passed.

    How would you answer? That you disagreed with their effort to pass it? Would that disagreement indicate that you disagreed with the Republicans trying to pass it (e.g. Maine senators) or that you disagreed with the Republicans opposition to passing it?

  67. #67
    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:59 am, DBNinKY said:

    That was hardly what bluesoc was trying to say.

    I was/am questioning the value of any poll and whether or not it is wise to base a serious decision on polling results.

  68. #68
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, DBNinKY said:

    That’s why we need more jobs quick.

    And you won’t get them through this bill, at least not long-term/permanent jobs; those will only come from the private sector via tax cuts.

  69. #69
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, Madam President said:

    If any residents of Maine are reading this, stop being lazy! I live in FLORIDA for God’s sake, and even *I* wrote e-mails to those Senators!

  70. #70
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    Sorry, but you really have to do better than this.

    Yeah, that whole reality thing just sucks doesn’t it?

    I mean who would know less about the economy than economists, right? Maybe Obama Supporters

  71. #71
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, lgm said:

    rplatt said (#26):

    Kick their leftist butts over to the Democrats. Yes, they’ll have their 60 votes for a while but cleansing the Party of those malignant growths will be worth it.

    Reagan said: “I didn’t leave the Democratic party, it left me.” Now the Republican party is walking away from its New England wing. This is the biggest shift since JFK and Johnson walked away from Southers racist Democrats, who now form the core “base” of the Republican party.

    …when the brain-impaired slugs that voted for Obama discover that…

    Not a very patriotic way to talk about a large majority of your fellow Americans.

  72. #72
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, katablog said:

    Here’s the link to Gallup Poll But do note that it’s a stimulus package that Gallup asks about; not this stimulus package. Now run over and read the Rasmussen Reports poll and see what happens when you ask about this stimulus package.

  73. #73
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, katablog said:

    Another thing I think is really important is to stop making a big deal about RINO cross overs – that gets into politics and sounds like we are just sour losers.

    The point should be that this stimulus bill is straight out agenda based, won’t do the job its purported to address and is not the right stimulus package because of those reasons. And any Congress person that votes for it is an idiot – and not representing their constituents.

  74. #74
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm, b-cat said:

    This is the biggest shift since JFK and Johnson walked away from Southers racist Democrats, who now form the core “base” of the Republican party.

    Really? I was two when JFK was president. I’m well in my forties now.

    But I was a very racist infant. :roll:

  75. #75
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm, Salt said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 11:58 am, Red State Skeptic said:

    So you won’t listen to what he says because you already disagreed with him on something else, although your evidence of how he’s wrong is from someone you already disagree with?

    I did you the courtesy of reading your link. Why would I do that if I weren’t willing to listen to what he says?

    I just was not that impressed with his reasoning. He does not do a whole lot to support his points outside of attacking individuals and providing anecdotal evidence.

    So, I did a little more searching on the author. I like to know who I’m reading as well. When I saw that he flip-flopped his reasoning several times in his support of TARP, I became more skeptical of his current analysis. The fact that I gave you a reference to a liberal blogger was an attempt to give you a reference from a point of view you might prefer. If I gave you a link to a conservative blogger, you might have considered that as just a partisan response.

    (I still like the link that Michelle posted last week.)

    Sorry, but you really have to do better than this.

    “1. The Stimulus Will Not Work … The New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression”

    Don’t believe the lies. The US had astronomical GDP and employment growth during the New Deal and only lost that growth when FRD decided to abandon the New Deal in 1937-38.

    I read the links within the article as well:

    The American economy was soon relieved of the burden of some of the New Deal’s worst excesses when the Supreme Court outlawed the NRA in 1935 and the AAA in 1936, earning Roosevelt’s eternal wrath and derision. Recognizing much of what Roosevelt did as unconstitutional, the “nine old men” of the Court also threw out other, more minor acts and programs which hindered recovery.

    Freed from the worst of the New Deal, the economy showed some signs of life. Unemployment dropped to 18 percent in 1935, 14 percent in 1936, and even lower in 1937. But by 1938, it was back up to nearly 20 percent as the economy slumped again. The stock market crashed nearly 50 percent between August 1937 and March 1938. The “economic stimulus” of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal had achieved a real “first”: a depression within a depression! source

    “2. The Stimulus follows the same plan that ruined Japan’s economy”

    Lies lies lies. Japan’s idea of stimulus was to build bridges and roads to nowhere while cutting government jobs elsewhere and raising taxes. Our plan is 100% different. Lying Republicans know this, but they’d rather lie and have Americans suffer than concede and let Democrats get the credit for reviving the economy.

    Can people have an opinion different than your own without being called a liar?

    You cite Roosevelt’s New Deal as being positive and yet do not see how very similar it is to Japan’s approach? Do you know the origin of the word “boondoggle”?

    I also find it interesting that you use the possessive when referring to the stimulus package. Further, who cares about credit? It seems to me that the Democrats are far more concerned about the political gains from this proposal than anything else. Democrats can pass this without Republican support and get all the credit they desire. So, it’s not about Democratic credit. They seem, to me, to be more concerned with holding the butcher’s bill at the end of it all.

    “3. The Stimulus is full of Wasteful Projects”

    You can debate whether Americans get better value from building roads and bridges than they would get from researching STD’s (I wouldn’t agree) but you can’t argue that one stimulates the economy while the other doesn’t. Scientists and social workers spend money too.

    This is similar to the broken window fallacy referenced by the Kibbe article.

    Even excepting (or accepting, depending on your point of view), there is still the cost of more governmental control over industry that comes with this package. For many companies, this will be like accepting money from the mafia. Will they be able to refuse?

    “4. The Government Can’t Afford the Stimulus”

    Are you %#@% kidding me! Republican Senators just voted for Mike DeMint’s three TRILLION dollar tax cut “stimulus.” The Democratic plan is less than one third as expensive.

    There’s a distinct difference between a plan that increases government spending (and where would that money come from if not borrowed from other nations, tax hikes, or generational theft tax hikes) and cutting taxes. The latter would force a decrease in government spending. Only someone who believes that the tax dollars are already in the government’s hands even before they are collected would view this as an “expense”.

    So, no, I am not ^%$@ kidding you.

  76. #76
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, lgm said:

    …when the brain-impaired slugs that voted for Obama discover that…

    Not a very patriotic way to talk about a large majority of your fellow Americans.

    lgm is right. They are stupid voters.

  77. #77
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:46 pm, rplatt said:

    Not a very patriotic way to talk about a large majority of your fellow Americans.

    Yeah, you’re right . . and your point is?

  78. #78
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pm, sonofdy said:

    Not a very patriotic way to talk about a large majority of your fellow Americans.

    Stupid is as stupid does. Most obama voters had no idea what he stood for.

  79. #79
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm, right4life said:

    This is the biggest shift since JFK and Johnson walked away from Southers racist Democrats, who now form the core “base” of the Republican party.

    this is such BS…guess what member of the KKK is STILL A US SENATOR????

    sheets BYRD…a democRAT…moron. you really are pathetically stupid.

  80. #80
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:50 pm, sonofdy said:

    This is the biggest shift since JFK and Johnson walked away from Southers racist Democrats, who now form the core “base” of the Republican party.

    Mookie, an example of how the left calls you a bigot if you disagree with them.

  81. #81
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, lgm said:

    …when the brain-impaired slugs that voted for Obama discover that…

    Not a very patriotic way to talk about a large majority of your fellow Americans.

    The more you post, the more I think you’re lying about being a math teacher. Problem for the day: Divide 65 million by 300 million (Hint: You can drop the last 6 zeros). Express the result as a percentage.

  82. #82
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm, b-cat said:

    Mookie, an example of how the left calls you a bigot if you disagree with them.

    The only ones who interject race into the conversations here are the leftists.

  83. #83
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, libertybelle said:

    The reason that “very conservative Republicans are not that popular” right now is because we have been smeared relentlessly by the Democrats, deep-pockets like George Soros, the entire MSM (of all mediums), university professors, and on and on and on. If the press and your cohorts would honestly debate and report, people would see the truth about what we believe. The Left is simply afraid that if they didn’t make up scary stories about Republicans, the majority of people in this country would vote Republican/Conservative all of the time.

    Funnily enough, Conservatives have history on their side and can demonstrate how ineffective and dangerous Leftist ideas are. In fact, Conservative philosophies are the “progressive” ones, as the Left’s philosophies of tyranny, feudalism, repression, Communism, Socialism, redistribution of wealth, taxation without representation, and fear are all extremely old, used, stagnant ideas.

    And since when is it unpatriotic to call people names? I’m pretty sure I learned, over the last eight years, that it is most definitely patriotic to show one’s dissent and disapproval by acting like a 5 year-old.

  84. #84
    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:59 pm, drfredc said:

    Let the BO Rinos go, form their own Flakey Dumb Useless Party (otherwise known as F’dup).

    Perhaps they’ll become Democrats and become the Dem’s problem, turning on them all of the time to support lots of GOP causes (not!).

    The only thing these FDUP RINOs do for the GOP is drag conservative fund raising down, confuse party identity and drag party growth into the toilet.

  85. #85
    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:16 pm, bluesoc said:

    You’d think that if conservatives truly believed that they had the solution to the economic mess (which I do not deny), they would fight for a greater say in the bill. By voting no in bloc, they’re basically giving up any input they would have and betting that the economy will worsen with the current stimulus.

    Something about that just doesn’t sit right with me.

  86. #86
    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm, Salt said:

    I did you the courtesy of reading your link. Why would I do that if I weren’t willing to listen to what he says?

    Thanks for the “courtesy.” Too bad you can’t rebut his actual points, not his angle.

    I read the links within the article as well:

    Freed from the worst of the New Deal, the economy showed some signs of life. Unemployment dropped to 18 percent in 1935, 14 percent in 1936, and even lower in 1937. But by 1938, it was back up to nearly 20 percent as the economy slumped again. The stock market crashed nearly 50 percent between August 1937 and March 1938. The “economic stimulus” of Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal had achieved a real “first”: a depression within a depression! source

    This is exactly what I wrote. How this link is dishonest is the second stock market crash came on the heels of FDR balancing the budget. As long as money was free and spending was big, the economy was growing.

    Can people have an opinion different than your own without being called a liar?

    You cite Roosevelt’s New Deal as being positive and yet do not see how very similar it is to Japan’s approach? Do you know the origin of the word “boondoggle”?

    Because it’s not a difference of opinion. It’s a lie to say Japan’s stimulus is the same as “our” stimulus or the New Deal because Japan raised taxes and cut nearly as much government spending as it raised. A difference of opinion would be to say (spuriously): “Although Japan cut spending elsewhere and raised taxes, it is too similar to today’s proposed stimulus.” A lie is to omit the (huge) differences altogether as if they don’t exist.

    It seems to me that the Democrats are far more concerned about the political gains from this proposal than anything else. Democrats can pass this without Republican support and get all the credit they desire.

    I would agree that the Democrats are playing politics only insofar as they could get a much more ambitious proposal passed with just 50% of the Senate, but they want to cover their asses in the (likely) event that we’re not out of the woods by the time the 2010 and 2012 elections are held, so they wanted 80 votes — which would have been a majority of Republicans, thereby depleting the GOP of ammunition in blaming Democrats for the economy. Whoops. Obama has a unique opportunity to change the direction of this country in overhauling health care, energy, agriculture, and transportation, among others, but he is obsessed with getting 60 votes, even though there has been no filibuster threatened! (And if the GOP did filibuster, I would take the opportunity to go nuclear for the good of the country).

  87. #87
    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, Cogs said:

    Sent emails to all the (also McConnell).
    Everyone please do the same.

  88. #88
    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm, Bill Grant said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am, Socky said:

    Also, Collins, Specter, and Snowe are the kind of senators Bill Grant wants to see Republicans elect more of.

    You are a filthy, stupid little liar and I can guarantee that you wouldn’t say that anywhere within arms reach.

    If you got taken to the woodshed on the internet that’s no excuse to further disgrace yourself by demonstrating that you either are willing to lie about other peoples positions or that you simply can’t read.

  89. #89
    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm, beachmom said:

    I live in Maine.
    The people of this state are idiots for the most part when it comes to voting.
    Over the past 35+ yrs. they have continued to vote in liberals to our state government. We have one of the highest tax burdens in the country. We have one of the lowest income averages. We have tons of libs from Mass. who’ve moved here. The Gov. has given orders to police to not ask about anyone’s immigration status. Well over 25% of people in this state are on some sort of welfare. Yet they still vote these people in to office. All the while holding their greedy little hands out for more “freebies”.

    I have written to Collins and Snowe and told them both to be honest and change the R at the end of their names to big, fat D.

    You will be glad to know there is a grassroots movement of conservatives to do away with this type of fake Republicanism.
    You will most likely be hearing the name Dean Scontras very soon.

    It’s tempting to move out of this state but that would simply be quitting and allowing the loser libidiots to win.

  90. #90
    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:37 pm, txvet2 said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:16 pm, bluesoc said:

    You’d think that if conservatives truly believed that they had the solution to the economic mess (which I do not deny), they would fight for a greater say in the bill.

    They tried. When they tried to bring up their ideas in the meeting with the president, they were told “I won.” They were given no input at all in the House bill. That was entirely a creation of the Pelosi gang. The several attempts they have made to alter the bill in the Senate have been generally dismissed out of hand, including by you:

    On February 8th, 2009 at 11:16 pm, bluesoc said:

    Why should Jeff Sessions get anything in the bill if he’s not going to vote for it?

    You’re having a little consistency problem.

  91. #91
    On February 9th, 2009 at 2:00 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    Obama has a unique opportunity to change the direction of this country in overhauling health care, energy, agriculture, and transportation, among others, but he is obsessed with getting 60 votes

    HAHAHAHHAAAAAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    You can’t be serious. You, at this point, can’t see Obama is business as usual? Worse than that, he lied right out of the gate (campaign finance…).

    but he is obsessed with…

    Abortion
    GITMO
    Charging Bush with crimes
    Pork

    Okay. The first two have nothing to do with the economy which is what the people are concerned with. He is making good on promises.

    The third one is a “I am thinking about it” so, not an obsession – YET.

    The forth one is just business as usual which HE said he would not allow.

    Don’t try and sell us on getting all Hope ‘n Changy. You are on the wrong blog.

  92. #92
    On February 9th, 2009 at 2:03 pm, Salt said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm, Salt said:

    I did you the courtesy of reading your link. Why would I do that if I weren’t willing to listen to what he says?

    Thanks for the “courtesy.” Too bad you can’t rebut his actual points, not his angle.

    I read your link (with your opinion of it) instead of ignoring it and responded with my own opinion. I did not attack you or your thoughts about it, just expressed a different thought.

    I could post a rebuttal to his points, as you say, but I mentioned that most of those points consisted of setting up Republican legislators to contradict rather than expressing deep evidence in support of his points. What is the point in debating points made by the author when his principle approach is to go on the offensive?

    The liberal editorial I linked said very similar things about the author’s previous support of TARP.

    That said, I would be happy to have a discussion about any of the points you would like to make specifically here.

  93. #93
    On February 9th, 2009 at 2:12 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, lgm said:

    Not a very patriotic way to talk about a large majority of your fellow Americans.

    ARE YOU QUESTIONING MY PATRIOTISM???

    Are you? Come on, bring it on – if you have the guts.

  94. #94
    On February 9th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    PK,

    A vomit alert would be appropriate.

    EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

  95. #95
    On February 9th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    I just want to see if there’s a spine connected to that mouth.

  96. #96
    On February 9th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, right4life said:

    . As long as money was free and spending was big, the economy was growing.

    this is delusional. all that guvmint spending worked wonders in the USSR didn’t it?

    money is never ‘free’…it has to come from somewhere…we’re trillions in debt…where does this money come from? oh yea we print it…and our dollar will be worthless

    slouching towards zimbabwe…

  97. #97
    On February 9th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On February 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm, Bill Grant said:
    You are a filthy, stupid little liar and I can guarantee that you wouldn’t say that anywhere within arms reach.

    Bill…when someone expresses an opinion, it is not a lie, it is an opinion. You have a tendancy to respond to things you don’t like by being mean, rude, nasty and hurtful. I suspect you could use some help with your anger management issues. Please try to use the same courtesy you expect from others. We are all expressing OPINIONS here. So lighten up. And please don’t respond to me with another disgusting statement. It is very childish and gets you nowhere.

  98. #98
    On February 9th, 2009 at 3:40 pm, wren said:

    The people of Maine need to understand that if Senators Collins and Snowe make it possible for the “stimulus” bill to pass, then Nancy Pelosi will use the conference committee reconciliation process to make sure that Maine tax dollars will be used to bail out the state of California.

    This bill needs to be stopped in the Senate. If the bill goes to the conference committee, Nancy Pelosi will over-rule any deals made by Senators Collins and Snowe.

  99. #99
    On February 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pm, Alan K. Henderson said:

    Sell Maine to Canada. And Vermont, too, so the Senate doesn’t become filibuster-proof.

  100. #100
    On February 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, Bill Grant said:

    n February 9th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Bill…when someone expresses an opinion, it is not a lie, it is an opinion.

    And sometimes it is a lie.

    “You have a tendancy[sic] to respond to things you don’t like by being mean, rude, nasty and hurtful. “

    And you have a tendency to wonder into crossfire with your phony passive/aggressive “Minnesota nice” and insert your opinion into yet another subject that you are unqualified to speak on.

    “I suspect you could use some help with your anger management issues.”

    Go fall through the ice.

    “Please try to use the same courtesy you expect from others. “

    Well in this case that would mean that I would bumble into whatever you were talking about and take the side of whatever zitty adolescent snot that was was deliberately mis-characterizing your position. Gee, where is Passadina Phil to call you a pest again… That would be perfect.

    “We are all expressing OPINIONS here.”

    I am of the opinion that you should get on your snowmobile and make the 3 day trek into Minneapolis to lobby for Norm Coleman to get installed as your senator. Maybe pick up some toilet paper and bug spray while you are at it. (Cue Sockey to chyme in with the hairless chest thumping claim that Coleman is a RINO.)

    “So lighten up”

    No.

    And please don’t respond to me with another disgusting statementIt is very childish and gets you nowhere..Waah, waaah, waaah. I want to wag my finger without hearing that I am a clown.

    Fixed that right up for you.

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