“The only thing grand about the Grand Compromise is the price tag;” Update: 5:29pm Eastern Cloture vote underway; Update: Cloture vote – 61-36
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Hogzilla!
“The only thing grand about the Grand Compromise is the price tag.” That was GOP Sen. Kit Bond on the floor just now. He says he’ll vote against the Turncoat Caucus plan.
Following him, Sen. Sessions tried one more time to get the Democrat majority to put his bipartisan E-verify amendment up for consideration. He pointed out that the exact same provision passed in the House 407-2.
Democrat Sen. Max Caucus says it would be “prudent to object” — without giving a single good reason the Senate shouldn’t ensure that stimulus money only goes to law-abiding workers.
Democrat Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska is defending the Turncoat Caucus plan.
He just called it “lean.”
If the trillion-dollar-spendulus is “lean,” Oprah Winfrey is anorexic.
Update: 5:04pm Eastern. Turncoat Caucus leader GOP Sen. Susan Collins takes the floor. Launches into Chicken Little monologue. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!
Self-delusional Sen. Collins extols her “bipartisan effort.” Two or three out of 535 on Capitol Hill.
“Bipartisan.”
Collins laundry-lists all the spending and concludes again: “Our effort is bipartisan, targeted, and effective.”
No: It’s pork-laden, out-of-control, and irresponsible.
It’s desperate, bloated, and theft.
Kill the bill. Stab it. Stick a fork in it. Then start from scratch.
Update 5:26pm Eastern. Gag. Harry Reid just said America deserves to hear the words, “Help is on the way.” Like Reagan said: Most terrifying words in the English language…
Bullcrap: Reid waves around US Chamber of Commerce endorsement and claims “You can’t find a company anywhere in America that doesn’t support this legislation.”
Update 5:29pm Eastern…Cloture vote underway.
Fun fact from Sen. DeMint’s office:
Senate ‘Compromise’ Stimulus INCREASES Spending in Over 130 Programs
Update 5:53pm Eastern. The cloture vote is done. 61-36. The generational thieves can crow.
Gregg abstained.
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What are your orders sir ?? You have my side arm and rifle. Just let me know when and where and i will be on my harley and ready to rock and roll ( lock and load )
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I said exactly what I intended to say and wanted to say. If you think I’m in the habit of tip-toing around anything, you’re even dimmer than I thought. I said what I meant and I meant what I said.
Jews as a group are hard left in their politics. Depending on which exit poll you look at, between 78-85% of them voted for the Commie In Chief, the man you oppose.
Whether you have a problem with my pointing that out is of little consequence to me. Given what an annoyance you are around here, I’ll be happy if it is a problem for you.
Allies? I don’t think you know the meaning of the word.
It’s the entire question. McCain threw the damn election. If Obama was controling him via a chip implanted in his brain, McCain could not have run a more pathetic and ineffectual campaign. When I say Joe the Plumber would have been a better and more articulate candidate I’m not kidding.
Bring it, Mr Cockroach. Show me what you’ve got.
!@#% I didnt even get dinner or the courtesy of a reach-around.
But I suddenly feel very very sleepy and I think I need a cigarette.
With apologies to Staff Sgt. Barry Sadler:
Well, back to work…
On February 9th, 2009 at 9:54 pm, flenser said:
An evasion of the question. No worries, it’s starting to coalesce into an answer.
I may be dim, but I could define “socialist” when asked.
So we should surrender Iraq and the middle east (…the original context of the original argument, at the time the point was McCain wouldn’t do that Obama would.) to the islamists because there are Jews there….
Non tiptoe version: Israel is not our ally so we should feed them to Iran or whomever… Therefore, Obama is preferable to McCain….
Well no, I guess you didn’t read what you were replying to. There was a direct question before the “I know, I know… It’s not your style to actually stick around and defend your assertions” that you chose not to acknowledge: Where did he “attack his own running mate”?
“Threw”, he deliberately did not want to become president. That is your assertion, huh… Kind of tin foil hat there, no?
Would a tin foil hat have protected McCain from the Obama brain control waves?
Well, you are going to straighten me out with a compelling argument that makes mine look silly. Right?
I have to admit, that was really, really original. I imply that you are a cockroach and you come back at me by calling me the same thing. If I were to call you, say, a lama would you work the title Mr. Lama into your witty retort?
You are showing us what you are, have at it blubber cutter, no tip toeing..
There’s a great new invention out there called a calculator. You might want to invest in one….or run for Congress.
Anyone remeber that scene in Aliens where Bill Paxton starts yealling “That just f’n great man…game over…GAME OVER!!”
Start looking out for youselves….adjust your w4’s to pay as little taxes as possible…stock up on ammo since it will be worth more than money. Nothing good will come of this bill.
Why yes Bill, It was Michelle Malkin and not My Name is Juan and This is My Other Brother Juan, My Friends, McCain that influenced 5,000,000 voters to ‘vote Obama way, we hood, we votin’ and tho-in it up.’
You’re delusional. But of course, you’ll continue to see it however you want.
Did it ever occur to you that it only seems like an “evasion of the question” is because your mind is a sharp as a stick of butter? Let’s face it Bill, you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Can you define “non sequitur”? Regardless, I somehow doubt that you could define socialist if asked.
I repeat, can you define “non sequitur”? FYI, it means “does not follow”.
Non sequitur alert!!!! Incoming!!!
Further non sequitur alert!!
Were you dropped on your head as a child, Bill? Was your mom a heavy drinker? Because I’ve seen better efforts at constructing a logical chain of thought from my four year old niece.
The McCain campaign, which one might think works for McCain, trashed Palin on the record and in anonymous leaks to the media. When McCain was offered a chance on TV to stick up for her and denounce the smear artists who worked for him he declined to do so. Mind you, he was vocal in slamming Republicans who tried to bring down Obama by highlighting Wright.
But you already knew all this, so I assume you’re just playing games.
Even you are entitled to his own opinion Bill. If you can only find anyone who cares about it …
Sure thing Bill. As soon as you get around to actually making any argument, I’ll straighten it out for you. That’s just the sort of compassionate conservative I am.
I’m trying to think of a single reason why I might care whether you think it was original, but I’m drawing a blank. You did not seem terribly concerned with originality up to this point. Whatever. Strike “Mr Cockroach” from the record and substitute “Mr Maggot”. Happy now?
Billy, you lack any skeletal structure for me to pare you down to. You’re just one big gelationous blob of priggish self-righteousness sauteed in ignorance.
Bon appetit!
I suppose now I’m going to have to bookmark this thread and keep checking it, otherwise Mr Bill here will post some inane bafflegab and then announce that I’ve scuttled away from his bright light of truth if I don’t show up to mock it.
And the three so-called Republicans are the ratzillas. They should not get another dime from the national Party.
On February 9th, 2009 at 11:51 pm, Joy said:
So you have given up on the whole math argument… Idiot.
flenser – Yup, better keep hitting that refresh key…
That is a very good description. I’ve noticed even when he seems to be trying to be nice he can’t help but leave a slime trail of self-righteousness.
Well, what’s the point when you can’t add or subtract?
On February 9th, 2009 at 11:53 pm, flenser said:
Well, no it had been posted twice and you weaseled out twice after stating “I guess we can add that to the ever growing list of things you only think you know.” So you evaded and patted yourself on the back for answering the question when you hadn’t. We will get to the fact that you STILL haven’t when I get down that far.
You have a convenient memory. You demonstrated that you couldn’t define it here. In terms of defining ““non sequitur”” I have actually used the term about 32 times here according to Google. Ain’t the internet fun?
As a matter of fact, it does follow. I reflected back to a previous argument that we were having and I wanted clarification on why, during the election you asked me how my fight to save Israel was going. The context wasn’t Palestine, or Lebanon or Judaism, it was that Obama was talking about withdrawing troops from Iraq and McCain was going to stand firm until the USA could achieve it’s objectives. I wanted to pin you down on what you were saying but you scurried for the fridge.
So flash forward. Tonight I asked you:
Something I am still curious about, you once asked me how my fight to defend Israel was going. What did you mean by that?
You evaded with:
Pinning you down I got:
And, referring to Israel:
Which would signify that Israel is not our ally.
So this is how it goes from a to b to c.
I advocate for McCain because he will stay in Iraq. You ask me how my fight to protect Israel is going. I ask you (knowing full well) why you would ask me that. You reply that the Jews are statistically leftists and that Israel isn’t a genuine ally.
I reply that it all makes sense now, you were ambivalent on McCain because you don’t believe we should be protecting Israel and the Iraq war was done in order to do that. You recognized that Obama would be weak on Iraq and, according to your idiotic logic, that would mean that we were not protecting Israel. Never mind the consequences to the USA.
See how it DOES follow now flenser?
Try to be a man, stop tiptoeing and weaseling.
No, McCain didn’t attack her, neither did the McCain Campaign. Staffers who used to work on the McCain campaign May have. Do you want to hear what the definition of “non sequitur” is?
Your stupid assertion was:
I can show you hours of video on youtube of McCain attacking Obama. Can you show me any of him attacking Palin? Some quotes from him?
Not really a rebuttal.
So no, you are not going to come back with an intelligent argument at all. Shocking!
That whole “desperately trying to keep up” thing. Simply regurgitating insults shows that you can’t.
Oh yes, it counts. Penmanship too.
So you can weasel, back peddle and tip-toeing around what you wish to say. (Those leftist Jews got us into Iraq, therefore it would serve them right if we left and Obama is just the guy to do it.)
Mock, back peddle, squirm… Have at it kiddo.
Psychological projection from our resident prig. I have never tried to be nice to you Joy so you would have no way of knowing.
Nope, several people have called you on that behavior, and you simply can’t look in the mirror.
And there’s where you jump the tracks and assume I mean when being nice to me… Nope, I’ve observed for the last few days you seem to be trying to give people pats on the back for their participation in clogging the phone/internet lines at the White House. And as you praise Michelle for posting all the numbers, you then feel the need to add, ‘at least she’s finally doing something about it.’ As if she has ever not. Or you say something like, ‘good to see, better than just whining.’ As if we can’t do both.
You bluster for days acting like you’re the only one who is calling and doing your part and the rest of us lesser folks are just posting and not doing anything. Some people do those things and don’t make a post tooting their own horn.
Most on this blog are very politically active which is why they like MM. Most people here I would guess call and write and fax even when there isn’t a huge thing like the Crap Sandwich. And yes, in this I’m projecting a little because I have always done these things, but I also see the things people say and it’s obvious they do those things too.
On this site you’re a TROLL Bill. Why are you bothering to hang around a place where you have no respect for the person whose blog it is? When people hang out on blogs and constantly slam the owner of it, they are considered TROLLS.
Nighty-Night Troll.
So it should be easy for you to get the quotes of several people stating that even when I try to be nice I leave a slime trail of self-righteousness. Or could it be that you are just seeing what you want to see… Lets see it Joy. (Buh by)
I believe that it is critical that we stop Obamas policies for the country. You remember, the ones that I was against while you were nodding with the nitwits who were saying that you had to go through carter to get to Reagan… Why aren’t you happy that he is wrecking the country now Joy? All is going according to plan!
Something constructive, constructive was the key word. Blaming the GOP or the usual suspects for the actions of the democrats isn’t going to stop the democrats.
Whine and call?
Yes, it is nice to hear that you are at long last doing something to slow him down rather than complaining that the alternative isn’t perfect. If you have made any calls it is nice to hear that you are finally not insisting that someone else make everything just right before you will get off your rear end and participate. Was that too self righteous? Oh well. You have complained all the way into this crisis and reserved the most criticism for those who were actually trying to prevent it or slow its progression down. Now you want me to pretend that I am suddenly grateful that you are realizing what was told to you was going to happen is actually happening?
Well, that should be easy enough to find too; “Days of bluster”. Lets see it.
Most don’t do it at all. Do you think every post I make is directed at you? Evidently, you seem to hang on my every word. Not much of a life, is it?
And they elected you their spokes-model… Must have missed the memo.
Always cringe when I hear a supposed female using the term “crap sandwich”.
Sure it isn’t because you are shrill, sanctimonious, uptight, annoying, pompous and kind of sad?
Best comment on what you are, ever…
Because I believe in authentic conservatism. I also recognize that the Republican party can’t survive without conservatives and conservatism will whither without the Republican party. I recognize that we don’t have the time or the luxury of re-inventing the wheel now because the country is under genuine threat from the creeps that have been elected. In part because fools like you chose the greater of 2 evils or thought wrecking the country would bring you the second coming of Ronnie.
Its as easy to get rid of me as hitting the delete key on my user number. Not that you can. So as SoCal said, you aren’t in charge of the sandbox.
‘Morning shrill harpy.
Prig? Where did you get that word, Mr Bill? Seems like you lack the imagination to come up with your own insults.
Yet you seem to loath authentic conservatives. You’re deeply conflicted.
My refusal to say the words you are anxious to hear me say hardly constitues weasel-like behavior.
Well, no, Clownius Maximus, you demonstrated that you couldn’t define it there. I defined it perfectly.
Sorry to break this you, you arrogant buffoon, but I don’t feel the need to check every thread I’ve commented on to see if you’ve left any pearls of wisdom there.
I suppose in the nest of snakes that passes for your skull, asking somebody to clarify a question counts as “evasion”. You still never managed to answer my question. What part of it did you not understand?
I understand perfectly that you feel this insane need to take the statement “Jews as a rule are pretty hard left in their politics” and translate it into “Lets gas all the Jooos”.
The problem is that it exposes YOUR sickness, not any on my part. If I wanted to say “Kill the Jews” that is exactly what I would say. Unlike you, I don’t feel the need to engage in deception. When I say that Jews are pretty left-wing in their politics, I mean exactly that. Your fond fantasy that I’m saying anything else is a sign of your illness.
Israel is not our ally, you illiterate moron. They do not fight alongside us in any war. We have no treaty with them similar to NATO. So in what sense are they an ally?
What happened to “a”?
Ah ha! Now you’ve got me!
Never mind the copious quantity of comments I’ve left on this site and elsewhere documenting my objections to McAmnesty, you, with your Gigantic Brain, have discerned my true purpose!
Well, I believe Israel is quite capable of protecting itself. I believe that the US acts as a restraining influence, inhibiting Isreal from doing what it should do in its own best interests. I don’t believe that the US should be involved in a war for Israel.
OTOH, I don’t think we invaded Iraq on Israels behalf. I think we did so for good reasons of US realpolitik, and I strongly supported that invasion.
See, if you abandoned your half-baked Karnac The Magnificant routine and simply asked me what I thought, you’d be a lot better off than constantly attempting to read my mind. Given that I’m about five times as intelligent as you, that task is beyond you.
Bill, it follows that you’re an ignorant jackass with a persecution complex.
Have you ever considered brain transplant surgery? Because I keep telling you flat out what I am thinking, and you cling ever more frantically to your fantasy that I’m not telling you the truth.
Bill, let me ask you this. if I wanted to say “Those leftist Jews got us into Iraq, therefore it would serve them right if we left and Obama is just the guy to do it”, why do you think I would not, you know, say it?
I’m sure that your warped and paranoid mind will be able to come up with some answer. Insane people are frequently clever in some fashion. I’m just curious to see what it is.
Another question for you to ponder, if you can drag your mind away from its festering resentment long enough, is how what we do in Iraq will affect Israel at all.
You get mocked because you are so wonderfully mockable.
The only person who thinks I am “backpeddling” here is you, and that because you possess all the mental acuity of a head of cabbage.