Here it is: All 1,434 pages of the porkulus conference report; Detailed spending tables added; More paper waste to come; Update: Look what’s back
Scroll for updates…updated with more details, docs…
Turbaconducken! A chicken inside a duck inside a turkey, all wrapped in bacon.
Okay, people. Now, hurry up and digest this entire 1,434 legislative text of the porkulus conference report so you can be informed, deliberative, responsible citizens participating in the democratic process. Hurry! Get on with it. Go.
Oh, wait. Never mind. Chuck Schumer says we don’t care. President Obama says we don’t need anymore debate.
For those silly few of you left who DO CARE, I’ve uploaded the just-arrived document.
It’s so damned big WordPress won’t let me upload it the normal way, so I uploaded it to Scribd — which took several minutes.
Probably about the same amount of time most members of Congress will actually spend reading it before they ram it down our throats.
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Update: I’m told by another Hill staffer that there’s yet another version of the bill due out in the next hour or so.
Update: I’ve also uploaded detailed spending tables derived from the conference report.
Click here.
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Update 12:45pm Eastern. Some new bullet points from Hill GOP staff outline what’s been added and removed:
· $9 billion for school construction was added back in (originally cut by Nelson-Collins)
· $5 billion increase for the state fiscal stabilization fund (originally cut by Nelson-Collins), making it a grand total of $53.6 billion
· $2 billion for neighborhood stabilization program, money for groups like ACORN
· $1 billion added back for Prevention & Wellness Programs, including STD education
· Federal Coordinating Council for Comparative Effectiveness Research was added back in, leading Americans down the path towards healthcare rationing (63 patient advocacy groups signed a letter voicing their concerns with this provision)
(BUT, NOT INFRASTRUCTURE)
· Money for highways and bridges was cut by $1 billion from the House-passed level
KEY POINTS:
· Tax relief to help middle class families and small businesses was sharply pared back in order to increase government spending. Public opinion over the last 4 weeks has shown that Americans overwhelming believe tax cuts, and not government spending, are a better way to stimulate the economy.
· Approximately $75 billion in true tax relief was CUT from the Nelson-Collins package. So, while the overall size of the package may have gotten slightly smaller, the spending actually increased.
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1,434 pages and I can sum it up in two words:
We’re screwed.
Geez Louise, it was bad enough when the damn thing was 700+ pages. Is there nothing that congress can’t double the size of except my paycheck?
$789 Billion stimulus bill. If I did my math right…that works out to $550,209,205.02 per page.
I think I’ll print one out and use it for T.P.
or I wonder if my printer would accept T.P. through the sheet feeder? Then use it. hmmmmm.
This congress needs an enema.
On February 12th, 2009 at 10:59 am, taylork said:
This congress needs an enema.
ajmontana will have tons of TP to clean themselves up with.
This is more than a turbaconucken. This is a turbaconducken further stuffed with the bacon explosion
1434 PAGES???
Sonofdy gives up and starts buying gold coins….
I hope there is an America left to save, and a conservative politician in office left to save it, by the time this Administration is done doing damage to our Country.
Palin in 2012!!!!
Never fear – lgm will soon be here to explain it all to us, and grandly inform us that it’s all Bush’s fault, anyhow, and point out all the previous administration’s mistakes.
Besides, we were told we don’t care about the pork, weren’t we?
Nothing to see here, folks. Move along, now.
The word “firearm” only appears once where it references money being transferred to the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.
Wait? It took them 1434 pages to decide to give workers, i.e. people who have jobs and are gainfully employed, a tax break of a WHOPPING $13 per week!
If this doesn’t set off armed insurrection then what will? ACORN get’s $4 billion dollars to undermine the electoral system all across the nation. And the rest of the nation gets $13 per week. Until they cut it back next year.
To call this insanity does disservice to the word “insanity.”
Every legislator should have to make a recording of them reading aloud every word of every bill they vote for.
The penalty for not doing so should be the loss of their job and no less than 1 year in prison.
Pitiful. Socialist progressive democrats forcing financial suicide on the entire country. Now Reid, Schumer, Obama, Pelosi can spend more time sucking off Barney Frank.
The word “interstate” only appears in this sections:
That projects eligible for funding provided under this heading shall include, but not be limited to, highway or bridge projects eligible under title 23, United States Code, including interstate rehabilitation,…
I think the fret on the other thread about the Interstates being designated national parks so that firearms can’t be transported on them was unfounded.
Just checked my calculator. That’s about $550,000,000 dollars per page. I figure if I can get my hands on 1/5 page of pork, I’ll clear $100 million dollars. You are all invited to the party.
sonofdy now buying food, guns and ammo.
Anyone check yet to see if Harry Reid’s non read Health Care language is still in there?
1,434 pages and you think anyone has actualy READ the entire thing???
Romeo13, come on….
They could have sliped a constutional amendment allowing gay goats to marry in there and no one will notice for at least 6 months.
I heard there is an earmark in there by Pelosi for economic development in AMERICAN SAMOA.
Congratulations on your new purchase.
“That projects eligible for funding provided under this heading shall include, but not be limited to, …..”
Could mean anything they want.
Economic recovery payments? What the hell does that mean? I need a political speak translator.
GEEES!
I thought the language of law need to be precise. This document is not precise.
Family Man: Precisely!
The cause of this recession was that people went on a spending binge, and ran up unsustainable amounts of debt to support it. Obama’s proposed solution is… running up unsustainable debt to support a spending binge.
He’s not fixing the problem, he’s digging a deeper hole.
And all the Obama moonies can do is cheer because they’re “winning.” They don’t give a damn about whether it’s good for the country.
The samoa stuff was removed. The document was so large it almost overwhelmed my work computer.
You peole are full of crap. Pelsoi said there are no earmarks in this bill.
The sheer size of the bill guarantees that nobody will be able to read it in 1 day. The only reason to make it that way is so that the people will not know what’s in it because if they did then nobody would support it.
I want to thank the Vichy Republicans and the Democrat plants in the Republican party.
/sarc
I can’t access sribd.
Can someone who can please search for the words “Health” and “doctor” to see what the conference report did with the following from the original bill:
Remember that both Republican and Democrat Senators didn’t know what was in the original 700+ pages, so I doubt that they know what’s in it now that it is TWICE as big!
Soap – exactly. After they finished putting lipstick on this pig, even its mother wouldn’t have recognized it.
And I am wealthy beyond the dreams of trump and have 16 misstresses, who are all godess’s. I also am the worlds greatest lover, and the worlds best looking man.
Filed under myths i have heard lately.
A p4 processor and a 1Gbps network speed and I still can’t load the thing without my system crashing.
How the heck are we supposed to read this within 2 days if we can’t even access it in a timely fashion?
Most important question no one is asking:
Obama and team are doing everything but addressing the problem in this crap sandwhich. Why is there any reason to think that when it fails (as we all know it will) they will do anything different the next time and the time after that?
Ah, ok, – well let’s look at this objectively…
$789,000,000,000 / 1434 pages =
$1.817 billion/page.
Who says our country can’t produce something!
Because he has hope and change on his side. And that greatest of powers, oratory.
Yes we can, yes we can, yes we can.
Yeah!! And if that’s not good enough for you, Obama said it too!
So this bill is really the “2009 inter-generational theft an euthanasia bill.”
I can hear the “health” bureaucrat now. “I am sorry, sir, but you BMI exceeds goverment guidelines, your carbon footprint calculated on your estimated diet is too high and at 55 you are now considered a potential buden on the social security system so we can’t authorize you to spend any of your money or insurance on any additional medical treatments for you. You are the weakest link! Goodbye!”
I need more coffee – correction is in order:
Approx. $550 million per page.
I need more coffee!
On February 12th, 2009 at 11:45 am, WarEagle82 said:
Your comment reminds me of Logan’s Run. If you’re no longer viable, you are exterminated.
OMG! Now The One says he wants $5 billion to weatherize moderate income houses . . . says this will provide jobs and boost the economy. Expect supporting statements from co-presidents Pelosi and Reid shortly.
Come the Revolution . . . .
What color is the crystal on your hand???
On February 12th, 2009 at 11:15 am, Southpaw said:
Assuming 8.5 x 11 paper, each SQUARE INCH of this bill costs
OVER 5 (closer to 6) MILLION DOLLARS.
Approximately $5,880,000 per SQUARE INCH.
(not that the same amount of spending in 700 pages was any better).
We all agree that no one can be expected to READ 1,434 pages in a day or two.
But stop and realize that no one can WRITE 1,434 pages in a day or two, either. I dare say that most of the text of this bill and conference report were NOT written in the last week!
The Democratic Socialist Communists know exactly what they want, and have written up text long in advance. When the time is right for them (i.e., now) they simply “cut and paste” their text into the bill.
They’ve had months (if not years) to write this text exactly how they want it. (Exhibit A: Daschle’s Health Care)
Voters voted for Transparency.
Obama promised Transparency.
We demand Transparency.
Don’t ram this down our throats. Give it time for all of the provisions of these 1434 pages to see the full light of day and full scrutiny of “We the People”. No Senator or Representative should be voting for this bill without PERSONALLY reading all 1434 pages, AND understanding the intended and unintended consequences of this bill.
Are you kidding? I am suprised they haven’t already voted on it.
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Rocketman engineer ballpark math:
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$13 per wk. X 52 wk./yr. X 300 million people = $0.2 trillion tax break.
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$0.8 trillion / 300 million people = $2700. cost per person.
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BANG FOR THE BUCK = 0.2 / 0.8 = 25 cents!!!
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Assuming 4 people per family and only half of all families paying taxes:
$2700 X 4 X 2 = $21000 ADDED TAX BURDEN PER TAXPAYING FAMILY!!!!!!!
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Is this getting more clear to you? The government takes a dollar and gives you a quarter back. This is a lot worse than the slot machines in Las Vegas. And you don’t have to play in Sin City–but all will have to play in the new U.S.S.A. Do you have your $21000 ready to pay IRS? Do the math and cry.
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John Bibb
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Well, the next week or so should be interesting as all the nice little “details” of this porkzilla are discovered. And it is up to the bloggers to find this stuff because you know the MSM won’t do it!
“Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology” … that part? Starts on page 180, so far as I can tell, but you’ll need someone better versed in legalese than I to make sense of it. Not to mention, just trying to scroll through the thing is making my computer act up. Hey, does BO have any more townhall meetings scheduled? I need the government to get me a new computer.
On February 12th, 2009 at 11:55 am, sonofdy said:
Oh no, It just turned red.
No more government cheese for you!!!!
Thanks for the “pork links” Michelle, I just wish that they weren’t so greasy and stuffed with fat…
These people (congress and Obama) are stealing from us and our children! Seriously, they are literally robbing from us!
I love reading these blogs, but it can be frustrating. Blogs bring to light many things the general public would not otherwise know. But I’m frustrated and the more I read the angrier I get. I’m not statisfied just complaining about a situation. These people are truly stealing from the American people. This country is in dire need of a leader. Someone whos motivation to everything they do is not “what can this country do for them.”
I have even lost faith in our election process based on what I believe happened in this past election. Maybe our country will go the way of so many others. We stand around and complain, becoming more and more powerless every day. Our congress is out of control.
I do not understand why people continue to act like the facts matter. Facts don’t matter any more. We are not in an argument that is characterized by reason, facts, truth, etc. The left and the media are dominated by FEELINGS. We can fact this thing to death and the facts are clear, its a bad thing to do. That only matters if we are in a system that is making decisions based on facts. We are NOT.
As long as enough folks “feel” good about it, as long as we have enough Leftist who can manipulate the “feelings” of folks, this is the kind of legislation we will get.
We keep going round and round about the “Facts” and then look like a deer caught in the brightness of a set of headlights and wonder why we are where we are.
Conservatives and liberals do not speak the same language. We can talk FACTS all day. The bill will still pass.
Wait, I found more on the health care stuff. This from page 452, line 22:
“A nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and accurate exchange of health information.”
Looks like this area might be another place to comb through.
I’m mainly looking for pages that contain rural spending. My plan is to apply for a $120 million grant for preservation of jackalope habitat in Wyoming. I’ll set up a post office box in Tie Siding and purchase 10,000 acres of land for habitat. Of course you are all welcome to visit, either there or at my new international headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland.
This is just un-freaking believable. What the hell happened to common sense?! Is the Democatic Congress so blinded by their power that they fail to see ramifications for the future generation? With this kind of spending, what future will we have?
USA= Government Sponsored Cannibalistic Enterprise
Citizens of USA= screwed underlings
Future citizens of USA= permanently broke screwed underlings
They have dug the pit, greased the rails to insure as many fall into as possible.
Good luck climbing out, there was only money for safety nets not the means to exit their pit.
“Mommy” government is here!
Freedom,liberty, pursuit of happiness =
obsolete terms voted out of the American lexicon
by lecherous fools in February 2009
“A nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and accurate exchange of health information.”
Are folks forgetting this is something Newt Gingrich pushed for and is pushing for?
Shouldn’t that be spelled Turdbaconducken?
So far all I found was this:
—The National Coordinator shall perform the duties under subsection (c) in a manner consistent with the development of a nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and exchange of information and that—
(3) reduces health care costs resulting from inefficiency, medical errors, inappropriate care, duplicative care, and incomplete information; ‘‘(4) provides appropriate information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care;
Nothing about telling doctors what treatments they can and cannot prescribe.
sbw999 says: “I hope there is an America left to save,….”
In the past I might have considered this just a over the top kinda comment. Now, I am just wondering where and when the tipping point will occur and the fuse actually lit.
Despite the fact that the majority of Americans do not want this – they are going ahead with it anyway! What does this tell you???
dexter:
inappropriate care—
what is inappropriate care?
Not at all, that’s why he is damaged goods as far as I’m concerned. He was holding hands with Hillary Clinton, later Nancy Pelosi.
A national database is one thing, but to allow washinton DC to decide what is the correct care????
dangerous.
Not to worry. We can pay this off.
San Fran Nan told me herself, that she is expecting a very large payment from a Nigerian woman whose husband just died and is now looking to get the money out of the county.
That, and something about winning a lottery in London.
I was just listening to Dennis Prager on the radio talking about the deceptively named stimulus package and he had the best idea for a bumper sticker that I’ve heard yet: Democrats Lied, The Economy Died.
Maybe a handful of those who opposed this monstrosity. Those who voted for it probably don’t even know the official title of it, and don’t really want to know what’s inside for future (im)plausible deniability, ” I didn’t know that was in there or I’d never have voted for it!”.
It tells me they believe the majority will squak about it awhile, then forget about it while being distracted by “American Idiot” and “Dancing with the Dolts”. Bread and Circuses while the USA gradually succumbs to outright socialism and one party control.
“A fool and his money are soon parted”,
63,000,00 idiots have made us all fools!
“A fool and his money are soon parted”,
63,000,000 idiots have made us all fools!
On February 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pm,
I don’t think it will be porkulus that will cause a financial calamity. TARP II is where I expect a crisis to occur. I expect TARP II to fail and in six months, the big banks will be back asking for another trillion dollars. This still won’t solve the problem (the toxic assets problem is insoluble).
The way these things work, a small, little noticed event is usually the catalyst. Some small, local bank in some place like Thailand will fail and cause a run on other banks. The trouble will spread regionally throughout southeast Asia and quickly engulf all of Asia. From there, the crisis will spread worldwide too rapidly to prevent anything being done to avoid a worldwide financial collapse.
OK, relax, it’s just fantasy speculation on my part. I’m still going to do everything possible to get $100 million dollars out of porkulus (deluded liberals are very easily duped if you know the code words like “diversity”, “tolerance”, “the children”).
“what is inappropriate care?”
That’s easy. It will be determined the same way it is now. The entity paying for that “care” determines what is or is not appropriate.
The private sector while taking heat at times regarding their determination of “inappropriate”, you ain’t seen nothing yet.
Think England’s health care system.
Over 70 and need bypass surgery? Sorry, if you can pay for it go ahead. But your nationalized health care has determined its “inappropriate”.
On February 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, sonofdy said:
I’m speaking what I want, not what I really expect to happen.
The Democrat[ic Socialist] Party is nearly completely filled with Socialists.
The Republican Party currently contains a large number of Socialists.
The only ones in Congress who can even come close to being trusted are those that voted against both TARP and this Porkulus. Even among that group, Democrats from Republican districts may have only voted that way to ensure re-election.
On February 12th, 2009 at 12:34 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
What about this:
What are the consequences if the doctor doesn’t follow the government’s “guidance”?
sono….
You need to look more closely at Newt’s idea regarding electronic health care records, nationalize database, etc., and the “what” or the “how it will look” question. As in once all this information is centralized in a national database what next and how does that look?
Would Newt say he supports socialized medicine? No. I don’t think so anyway.
BUT, the whoever controls the information also controls how that information is used.
It comes in one door looking one way, comes out a door, to the folks who want to use that information, looking like socialized national health care.
All you have to do currently is look at how Medicare looks vs. how it works “out there” in the real world.
The idea that socialized medicine is a “new” idea or a new “threat” isn’t thinking about Medicare/Medicaid programs already in place.
We’ve been doing socialized medicine for some time in this country.
Obama and his allies in congress were given a recession and are doing their damnedest to make it a depression.
All it takes is ONE senator to demand they READ the entire bill aloud before voting…
What are the consequences if the doctor doesn’t follow the government’s “guidance”?
Probably same as now. You and your doctor can do anything you want. IF you want it paid for by the insurance industry you do it their way. Payment for care is not the same as receiving care.
There will be a two tier system. Again it already exist. If I want chiropractic care I pay out of pocket. If I depend on my insurance company to pay for it, I don’t see a chiropractor.
Its rationing by reimbursement structure.
Again NOT new. Don’t know why people haven’t gotten more upset about the existing socialized medicine already being practiced in this country.
Not in favor of it. Not making an argument FOR it. Just pointing out its been around for some time. Pieces of it in place even when using private pay insurance.
Read the beginning paragraph. It is about the electronic use and exchange of information and that helps guide medical decisions at the time and place of care. Nothing about a bureaucrat making decisions.
Anyone wanna bet they find abortion inappropriate ?
I can’t see it through the pistol grip.
ECS is buying ammunition.
Rifles – check.
Handguns – check.
Shotguns – check.
Body armor – check.
Night vision devices – check.
Laser rangefinder – check.
“Hidey hole” – check.
RFTHMF bag – check.
Common “household chemicals” – check.
Yep. More ammo is all I need.
ECS
I believe Obama sees himself as a Civil War President
Dexter Dexter Dexter…..
Who controls the information controls the process……
Have we learned nothing in this electronic age?
Please try to get information that you need regarding an elderly Medicare patient IF you are not an approved Medicare provider. You want the information, you fill out all the necessary stuff to be a Medicare provider. Guess what is part of that process? You agree to take Medicare payment. You do something that Medicare doesn’t “approve”, you don’t get payment.
You go to your patient and say, “Medicare won’t pay for this. Do you want to pay for it?” Grandma says, “I don’t have that kind of money. Won’t you do it for free?” Doctor laughs on his way out the door to see the next patient.
Direct control over decisions? No. Not technically. Is it controlling to the max? You bet!
I see, in Government Bureaucrats We Trust. At one time we were told Social Security WOULD NOT BE USED AS A NATIONAL ID, and we were told they were confidential. We are talking of people who lie as a matter of course.
The most amazing thing about the whole Health Care IT thing?
The states and privacy people are fighting National ID, as an invasion of Privacy because it would potentialy centralize records that States already hold…
Yet, it seems OK for the Fed to have our MEDICAL records?
Wow…. just… wow
I have said it before and I’ll keep saying it. There has ALREADY BEEN A REVOLUTION. The Federal Government has overthrown our Constitution and they have stolen our freedom from us.
Two years ago I never thought there could be a popular uprising against the central government in this country. Last year I accepted that it could happen and it might happen within my lifetime. Since the last election I believe it is likely to happen within my lifetime. I don’t see any way to restore the central government to its constitutionally limited role.
The central government needs to be reined in and returned to its limited size and scope according to the intent of the Founding Fathers. I am no longer certain this can happen via the ballot box. That leaves one option.
Zimbabwe is going to start looking like paradise in a few more years.
Actualy, the first draft DID have provisions for those decisions to be made, but it was taken out of THIS bill… because they got caught…
They tipped their hand and showed us the whole plan too early… and now decided for tactical reasons to slow down a bit…
Part of the sales job for nationalize health care information is lowered cost. Of course those selling lower cost don’t at the same time talk about how much cost the system absorbs due to trial lawyers and law suits.
By far and away the biggest and quickest savings for health care expenses would be to address the law suit side.
NOT going to happen.
We are already having a shortage of US based folks wanting to go into medical school and be family doctors, primary care physicians. What do you think will happen with socialized medicine?
Again, think England and UK’s National Health Care Ministry. Total fiasco. You almost can’t get into a dentist in the UK IF you are using the NHS system.
Be prepared to take care of your parents at home. Lots of things are going to change, lots and lots…..
“Zimbabwe is going to start looking like paradise in a few more years.”
I did medical relief work in Africa for six years. I’ve been to Zimbabwe-Rhodesia. If its all the same to you, I’ll stay right here in Arizona from now on.
All I’m saying is that the original wording that explicitly stated that the HITC would be telling doctors what treatments were appropriate is no longer in there.
I read the current wording as there will be a health record “internet” that doctors would access to help them make decisions on appropriate care for their patient.
“Two years ago I never thought there could be a popular uprising against the central government in this country. Last year I accepted that it could happen and it might happen within my lifetime. Since the last election I believe it is likely to happen within my lifetime. I don’t see any way to restore the central government to its constitutionally limited role.”
Me too. Problem is how? How will it come about? Who would lead it? How many would die in the initial phase of it until it grew large enough to be a real “us” against “them” movement that had a chance to succeed?
Mexico come across into California, AZ and Texas while we were busy killing each other?
Just real ugly to think about. Yet I too am finding the possibility of such a thing much more credible than I ever imagined.
Ammo sales through the roof in Florida by the way.
Dexter,
I have a bridge I’d like to sell you. Its in New York but I swear, I’m the owner. I have a title and everything.
What part of who controls the information has all the power don’t you seem to understand?
filibuster
js, it’s a friggin’ database of patient records, fercryinoutloud! Use your foil for baking pizza not making hats.
Nice try Dexter. It is an undeniable truth that who has and who controls the information controls the entire process. In two ways, by releasing information to an by withholding information.
If you think that is not the case, I suggest you chew on some aluminum foil.
Dexter is there a reason YOU can’t keep you health care information for yourself in or on a medium that can be read by doctors/hospitals/pharmacist at any location?
Some reason the government needs a centralized database…..
IF its just about information?
Exactly.
I hope I can hold my tongue the next time I see my sister. She voted for Obama. Funny thing is… she had an experimental shunt put in her brain about a year ago to drain excess fluid, to relieve chronic migraines. I wonder if she realizes that she is expendable under “universal healthcare”.
You really need to read the language before opening your mouth and dispelling all doubts as to your idiocy…
—The National Coordinator shall perform the duties under subsection (c) in a manner consistent with the development of a nationwide health information technology infrastructure that allows for the electronic use and exchange of information and that—
(3) reduces health care costs resulting from inefficiency, medical errors, inappropriate care, duplicative care, and incomplete information; ‘‘(4) provides appropriate information to help guide medical decisions at the time and place of care;
This is more than just a database, genius. In my example above, I could easily see that my sister’s treatment would be considered “inappropriate care” since it was experimental and extremely expensive.
Besides, the Government advising ANYONE on inefficiencies is an absolute JOKE.
I’m thinking this is a good time if one was a bankruptcy lawyer. I bet they are going to make some major money in the next year.