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1. #201
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, GaMidnightRider said:

   I aint got time to educate the likes of bluesoc and lgm. i am going to write in my blog and show them as an example of ignorance

2. #202
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:33 pm, sbw999 said:

   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:28 pm, lgm said:

   Also there were Christians in the US who celebrated Christian massacres of Bosnians not long ago.

   Guess those celebrations didnt make it to the evening news, though given the hatred of all things Christian by the MSM, hard to believe it didnt get reported. But even if that were true (and I dont believe it) the comparison is so shallow given the massive number of Muslims that celebrated (and contunue to celebrate) the deaths of Americans, and non-Muslims. So try again, but this time with an example that a 6-year old couldn’t easily tear apart.

3. #203
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, bluesoc said:

   GaMidnightRider said:

   I guess i’m not sure what your argument is.

4. #204
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:35 pm, bluesoc said:

   to equate slavery to adultery is another ludicrous example by nuts like you.

   When did I equate them? I thought I contrasted them.

5. #205
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, av8tr said:

   Sorry, soc. The post didn’t post originally.

   It was when you said “Serbs are Christian.”

6. #206
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pm, bluesoc said:

   It was when you said “Serbs are Christian.”

   Am I wrong? I thought the vast majority were Christian.

7. #207
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:38 pm, av8tr said:

   Correction: there were Muslims in the US who celebrated 9/11. Also there were Christians in the US who celebrated Christian massacres of Bosnians not long ago.

   Really? Which ones specifically?

8. #208
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:39 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

   To the lgms and bluesocs of the world… I’ll make this so simple a three old can understand it, okay?…. Jews don’t want Muslims and Christians dead just for existing and refusing to become Jewish. Christians don’t want Jews and Muslims dead because they exist and they won’t convert. Christians and Jews don’t want Muslims dead because Muslims exist and don’t want to convert. Muslims want me dead because I’m Christian or Jew, I exist and I won’t convert or pay a tax because of my faith or succumb to dhimmitude….. Got it? All your railing about past history and the Old testament doesn’t change those facts about today. A 7th century culture wants you and me dead. You may survive because you’ll cower… I won’t.

9. #209
   On February 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pm, L.N. Smithee said:

   L.N. Smithee:
   

   It would have been easier for Hassan to just stab her to death or shoot her, but he (allegedly) cut her head off. You don’t think there’s a reason he did things the hard way?

   bluesockpuppet:
   

   Are you arguing that those who behead are more culpable than those who shoot or stab their wives?

   bluesoc, others might be thrown off by your constant tangents, but I’m not. Answering a pertinent question with another question is a sign that you are reluctant to provide a credible answer because it would cripple the credibility of your argument.

   Let’s try again: It would have been easier for Hassan to just stab her to death or shoot her, but he (allegedly) cut her head off. You don’t think there’s a reason he did things the hard way?

10. #210
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:40 pm, Bogtrotter said:

    “they will come back with something based on a conversation they had with a Gore Vidal idolizer while high at Burning Man…”

    LOL! Priceless, and so true. I nearly choked on a mouthful of coffee. It was either that or ruin a perfectly good keyboard.

11. #211
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:41 pm, bluesoc said:

    Muslims want me dead because I’m Christian or Jew

    All Muslims want you dead?

12. #212
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:42 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    All Muslims want you dead?

    More do than don’t, so what does that tell you?

13. #213
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    bluesoc…. did I type “all”….. ???? you are really getting irritating. Luckily, my Protestant wife and I are going to have a Valentine’s Day Dinner with me saying a Catholic prayer…… and not getting into an issue of our faith causing us to kill one another. Take care all…….. G-d’s blessing to all.

    “Omnia relinquit servare republicam”

14. #214
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, bluesoc said:

    More do than don’t, so what does that tell you?

    That’ll be a tough one to prove.

15. #215
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, av8tr said:

    Ok, let me spell this out for ya, soc.

    In short; To be a Christian, is to accept Jesus as your lord and savior and follow His teachings. Pre-planned mass-murder isn’t part of his teachings. Therefor, anyone who partakes in it is not a Christian.

    I’m not going to engage in a theological discussion in this forum. I would encourage you to seek out the pastor of a bible teaching church to explain it to you. I’m sure he would be happy to help you with it.

16. #216
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm, havok said:

    I work with some folks of the Islamic faith…they don’t seem to want me dead nor have they tried to saw my head off as of yet. I have yet to pay any taxes to them and have not been asked to convert.

    I think it’s not appropriate to state ALL muslims are the same. That’s like saying ALL Catholic priests molest little boys and ALL Catholics were involved in covering it up.

17. #217
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    That’ll be a tough one to prove.

    I thought you’d say that weak-knees. I propose a census like survey. I’ll lend you my old Army battle dress uniform and remove the rank and name unit badges and leave the US flag sewn on.

    Then I’ll send you out with a clip board to every Muslim run country (look earlier in the thread for examples) and go do to door and ask them if they want to kill you. If you make it more than 100 doors still alive I’ll pay for your entire trip. But you have to agree to allow a nuetral party camera man from Al-Jazeera TV to film your entire trip.

    Deal?

18. #218
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm, bluesoc said:

    did I type “all”….. ???? you are really getting irritating. Luckily, my Protestant wife and I are going to have a Valentine’s Day Dinner with me saying a Catholic prayer…… and not getting into an issue of our faith causing us to kill one another. Take care all…….. G-d’s blessing to all.

    If you didn’t mean to imply “all”, your statement means

    “No Jews or Christians want Muslims dead…Some Muslims want Jews and Christians dead”

    I’m pretty sure the first part of that isn’t true.

19. #219
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    I worked in the Southern Sudan and dealt with the Islamic “attitude” toward Christians and anyone else who is not Islamic.

    Yes, they want anyone who is not Islamic dead. Those in the US who try to minimize that reality and sell us on a “peaceful” Islam, they are not telling the whole truth.

20. #220
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:52 pm, Bogtrotter said:

    Bluesoc, I love the examples of state laws you use to try make your pro-islam point. I am sure I can find a state that still has a law saying I cannot ride a unicycle after dark while playing the banjo. Your examples mean less than nothing.

21. #221
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:52 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    blu….

    Sorry if I missed it but are you Islamic?

22. #222
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:55 pm, bluesoc said:

    Sorry if I missed it but are you Islamic?

    No

23. #223
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:57 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Does anyone know if this poor woman had any children?

24. #224
    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:59 pm, bluesoc said:

    Bluesoc, I love the examples of state laws you use to try make your pro-islam point. I am sure I can find a state that still has a law saying I cannot ride a unicycle after dark while playing the banjo. Your examples mean less than nothing.

    There are definitely a lot of crazy laws, but I still think it’s worth pointing out that the American legal system has recognized adultery as a partial justification for homicide.

25. #225
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:14 pm, frontierguy said:

    Soc, you did not answer my question, maybe you did not see it. These laws, where adultery is justification for homicide, are they only for men? Are women covered as well?

    In Islamic law, do women get to honor kill? Is it acceptable to defend their own honor?

26. #226
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:16 pm, bluesoc said:

    These laws, where adultery is justification for homicide, are they only for men? Are women covered as well?

    In Islamic law, do women get to honor kill? Is it acceptable to defend their own honor?

    I’m not certain, but I think they pertain to either spouse.

    FYI – I wasn’t trying to say it’s the same as Sharia.

27. #227
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pm, puhiawa said:

    Cult Of Peace

28. #228
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:20 pm, Joy said:

    which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

    Peaceful Muslims condemning him is 3-2-

    Oh wait.

29. #229
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:21 pm, Joy said:

    Why do I always see my mistakes the moment I click the submit button?

    IN 3-2…….. IN… not IS

30. #230
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:22 pm, Joy said:

    I’m not certain, but I think they pertain to either spouse.

    blue – Clue of the century: No, they don’t…

31. #231
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pm, bluesoc said:

    blue – Clue of the century: No, they don’t…

    I was talking about the US laws, not sharia.

32. #232
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm, frontierguy said:

    FYI, we are not trying to say that bad things don’t happen to some Christian women from their husbands. What we are saying, since you keep missing the point, is the media spins stories. It is safe to say that this case goes beyond just a jealous husband, he chopped her damn head off!! There is no way that a Christian man who did something horrible as this to his wife, let’s say stoning, would get away with not having his motives completely picked apart by the MSM. Editorials, op eds and complete analysis by women’s groups hollering for laws and government intervention in Christian organizations. If you do not believe that that is what would happen, you are lying to yourself. But, this is not happening to Muslims.

33. #233
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:26 pm, Joy said:

    These laws, where adultery is justification for homicide, are they only for men? Are women covered as well?

    In Islamic law, do women get to honor kill? Is it acceptable to defend their own honor?

34. #234
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pm, bluesoc said:

    Joy said:

    I think frontierguy understood what I was referring to.

35. #235
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, frontierguy said:

    coming just a week after Taliban militants apparently beheaded a Polish geologist

    I wonder if the Polish geologist was sleeping around on them…what you guys think?

36. #236
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, right4life said:

    On February 14th, 2009 at 6:24 pm, bluesoc said:

    Muslims Against Sharia

    uh yeah they’re having such a huge impact…

    did you post where christians are murdering their wives for adultery..perhaps the verse in the bible that says that??

    or were you just lying?

    your examples of state laws were laughable…but you’re a lib, no surprise there…

37. #237
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pm, southcoast said:

    On February 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pm, AtypicalWhiteGuy said:

    Yeah, I guess if a “Christian” did this the airplane catastrophe would bury the story. I don’t think so.
    The muslim belief system is here.

    5-year-old murder victim was decapitated

    BY MIKE HOLTZCLAW | 757-928-6479
    5:26 AM EST, February 12, 2009

    VIRGINIA BEACH – The 5-year-old boy apparently killed by his father in Virginia Beach this week was decapitated, the state medical examiner’s office confirmed on Wednesday.

    Joseph Hagerman III, a 33-year-old Virginia Beach resident, is charged with murdering his 5-year-old son Joshua in the family’s home on Sugar Creek Drive on Tuesday. Police spokeswoman Margie Long said the state medical examiner had ruled the cause of death was decapitation.

    Hagerman also faces felonious assault charges stemming from the wounds his wife suffered while attempting to protect their son. After the attack, Hagerman waited outside the residence for police to arrive.

    In a subsequent jailhouse interview with WTKR-TV, Hagerman said he killed his son on instructions from God out of fear that “the anti-Christ would take his soul.” On his MySpace page, Hagerman – a former Marine now working as a school security guard – wrote of his struggles with schizophrenia but said he had overcome it through his religious faith.

    A christian beheading child story, buried by the airplane catastrophe story by the MSM. Where’s the outrage?

38. #238
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:40 pm, right4life said:

    There are definitely a lot of crazy laws, but I still think it’s worth pointing out that the American legal system has recognized adultery as a partial justification for homicide.

    and so what? crimes of passion are NOT first degree murder…duhhhhhh.

39. #239
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:44 pm, Joy said:

    Man with schizophrenia = Muslims throughout the world with laws allowing for honor killings…

    Another leftist with a broken moral equivilency guage.

    

40. #240
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:46 pm, right4life said:

    A christian beheading child story, buried by the airplane catastrophe story by the MSM. Where’s the outrage?

    this is idiotic…the guy was schizophrenic…crazy…now show me the verse in the bible that says christians should behead their children..

    here’s what the quran says:

    5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”

    8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”

    47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”

    9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”

    2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”

41. #241
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:47 pm, southcoast said:

    Flamingos Decapitated in Frankfurt Zoo

    In a grisly murder case, merciless killers have slain four flamingos in Frankfurt Zoo. The unknown assassins struck during the night, decapitating three of the birds and strangling a fourth to death.

    A grisly murder case has shocked staff at Frankfurt Zoo. Keepers found the bodies of four murdered flamingos in their pen on Tuesday morning.

    We all know “Unknown Assassins” is MSM speak for Muslims.

42. #242
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pm, frontierguy said:

    5-year-old murder victim was decapitated

    Horrible, i lived with a schizo once and that is crazy on steroids. I failed to see where the Muslim man had mental disorders diagnosed. Also, for a Christian, very atypical to decapitate, for a Muslim, uhhh, kinda typical. did you see about the Polish geologist?

43. #243
    On February 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pm, BruceB said:

    Rattlesnakes are peaceful animals, unless you step on them, pick them up, walk close to them, startle them. In south Texas you can’t have sand piles on the play ground because of them. Why? Because it’s their inherent nature to strike first and ask questions later.
    Muslims are taught from when they are born to the day they die to hate non-Muslims. If you don’t think that given the chance the average Muslim
    wouldn’t kill you in a heart beat, you are a fool.

44. #244
    On February 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pm, aero said:

    It’s a good thing we are fighting these people overseas so we don’t have to fight them on US soil.

45. #245
    On February 14th, 2009 at 8:26 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Hooray for South Coast for scouring the news about the killing of large birds in a European zoo as proof somehow that Christians and other ‘infidels’ are just as violent as Musselman.

    Hey, for the Islam defenders, who really organized the 9-11 attacks on Manhattan and Washington?

    Ditto London subways, Spanish trains, Indonesian nightclubs.

    Just curious.

46. #246
    On February 14th, 2009 at 8:33 pm, frontierguy said:

    aero said:
    It’s a good thing we are fighting these people overseas so we don’t have to fight them on US soil.
    

    Probably not much longer. We are positioning ourselves to be hit again, this time I think it will be much more damaging psychologically. BHO is showing the world how weak he is and how much he does not know. Gitmo closing is going to be a disaster as the terrorists will learn to defend themselves in court and be granted disclosure, or in the interest of national security the case will be dropped. Interrogation has had its hands tied as so many Americans can’t stomach the idea of a terrorist having his nostrils get wet. Osama has requested that he be allowed to kill (can’t remember the number, i think it was 6 million) American children. CIA has estimated that Beslan was a practice run to hit American schools. A New Jersey Secondary School blue prints were found in a Pakistan Taliban raid. Gird your loins Americans, the kaka is going to hit the fan. I hope all these libs trust in dear leader to dry their tears.

47. #247
    On February 14th, 2009 at 8:55 pm, Trollman said:

    Hey guys, I think bluesoc is right. Christianity is just as dangerous as Islam. True, Muslims did bring down one of the Towers, but Christians brought down the other one. Christians must have; after all, the great sage of our times – Rosie O’Donnell – said Christianity is just as dangerous in this country as Islam.

    Also keep in mind, all religions teach essentially the same thing – different paths to the same God. You know, like how Christianity teaches “turn the other cheek” and Islam teaches “cut off their heads,” it is all pretty much the same.

    In fact, the only people who never hurt anybody are the atheists – like Stalin or Pol Pot. Hey, they never killed anyone. Well, OK, they did kill a few people, but I’m sure they really deserved it.

48. #248
    On February 14th, 2009 at 8:55 pm, frontierguy said:

    And of course after the next terror attack we will be called bad people by morons like lgm and blusoc who will remind us of the crusades or the fact that we deserve to get hurt because of Bush being in office or something. I got my loins girded already!!

49. #249
    On February 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Where’s my M4, can’t you people churn them out faster?

50. #250
    On February 14th, 2009 at 9:15 pm, cowtrail said:

    Second Degree Murder?

51. #251
    On February 14th, 2009 at 9:38 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    On February 14th, 2009 at 9:03 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Where’s my M4, can’t you people churn them out faster?

    Colt is on a one year back order, some others at eight months or so. Ammunition is in short supply and back ordered all over the country. Gun safes and safes in general are hot items. Short barrel Mossberg and Remington pump shotguns are getting hard to find. BroBama has indeed stimulated one segment of the economy.

    The Beat Goes On: The recession is hurting a lot of retailers. But ammunition providers and those offering home safes, the kind you can stash cash and jewels in, are doing big business. Safe dealers are reporting double digit increases in sales in for the past three months. At the same time, ammunition sales have reached a point where independent dealers are struggling to keep up with demand. “I still have 5,000 rounds left,” says Kordell Jackson, owner of Jackson Gun & Ammo in West Henrietta, N.Y. “But we’re all drying up.” … In addition to locking up the valuables, folks are looking to lock and load their firearms. The government has changed the face of the banking industry and few, especially those who wish to preserve their Second Amendment rights, expect reform to stop there…

    http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/news/lock-and-load-stocking-bullets-and-safes

    I have my stash, add to it every month; I call it my Durable Goods Futures Investment Plan. Like an IRA or 401

    Second Amendment March

52. #252
    On February 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pm, Joy said:

    Arizona – Spring 2010? I’m thinking the biggest march for 2nd Ammendment might be coming sooner to a town or city near you! If you know what I mean…

53. #253
    On February 14th, 2009 at 10:27 pm, granite said:

    On February 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pm, bluesoc said:

    I personally find it terribly disingenuous to criticize an entire religion based on the actions of a few crazies.

    I can already anticipate the criticism – “this isn’t a few crazies, this stuff happens all the time”.

    That’s right; it isn’t, and it does.

    Well, If MM posted all the crazy things Christians do, you might have that same impression of Christianity.

    Folks, we may have someone here actually stupider than Rosie O’Donnell.

    …I would argue that MM cherry picks “atrocities” to try to portray Islam in a negative light.

    Which must be the easiest job in the world, that one can do “without trying”, as the saying goes.

    These Muslim barbarian savages dehumanize themselves.

54. #254
    On February 14th, 2009 at 10:52 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Having read the Christian versus Muslims comments on this thread, I think the basic difference is this.

    If a Muslim kills because he says Allah commanded him, he’s viewed in his religion as a fundamentalist believer. If a Christian kills because he says God commanded him, he’s viewed in his religion as a nut case and locked away and put in white jacket with extra longsleeves.

55. #255
    On February 14th, 2009 at 10:57 pm, bluesoc said:

    I did a bit of searching but haven’t been able to find anything in the Koran or Sharia law that allows beheading for adultery (or divorce). Maybe he wasn’t a devout Muslim after all. Interesting…

56. #256
    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:13 pm, Flyoverman said:

    On February 14th, 2009 at 10:57 pm, bluesoc said:
    I did a bit of searching but haven’t been able to find anything in the Koran or Sharia law that allows beheading for adultery (or divorce). Maybe he wasn’t a devout Muslim after all. Interesting…

    I would think your research is correct. Beheadings traditionally were a means of legal execution. While grisly, when done properly they were considered more human than other forms of capital punishment.

    When a person beheads, it is a whole different thing. This was a man filled with personal hate and anger. This piece of human debris was only interested in killing his wife and making her suffer.

57. #257
    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:38 pm, purplepeep said:

    Joy said:
    Another leftist with a broken moral equivilency guage.

    The lad just knows nothing about Islam, Christianity – nor quite likely about any belief system for that matter, Joy.

    The key here is that for Muslims to maim and murder is pretty much de rigeur. Murder, e.g. the homicide bombers, is the only sure way for a Muslim to make it into their Paradise and get the virgins & other goodies.

    As Michelle noted, this will get little, if any mention, in the MSM – first, because it’s politically incorrect to state the fact that Islam produces this behavior and second, because it’s a “dog bites man” story. Muslims behead on every day with a “y” in it. Psychotic violence is part and parcel of their religion and culture.

    This is also why when a Christian, Zen Buddhist, Taoist – or a nominal member of another civilized faith commits a horrific act, it is news. It’s a “man bites dog” story.

    Now, what would be news is if Muslims were not beheading, mutilating, mass murdering, etc.

58. #258
    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:38 pm, bluesoc said:

    and so what? crimes of passion are NOT first degree murder…duhhhhhh.

    Aren’t crimes of passion for adultery pretty much the same as honor killings?

59. #259
    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:51 pm, Joy said:

    Honor killing in Saudi Arabia because young girl was talking on Facebook.

    (I’m going to post these one per post so WordPress doesn’t eat my posts.)

60. #260
    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:52 pm, Joy said:

    Abu-Ghanem women speak out against serial ‘honor killings’

61. #261
    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:55 pm, bluesoc said:

    Now, what would be news is if Muslims were not beheading, mutilating, mass murdering, etc.

    Check out the murder rates by country. Muslim countries are pretty low on the list.

    Here’s detailed stats on the US as compared to Saudi Arabia.

    Notice how the US has higher rates of murder and rape.

62. #262
    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:56 pm, Joy said:

    Honor Killings in the UK

    In the UK, murders have sometimes taken place after a family has reacted violently to their son or daughter taking on the trappings of western culture. Killings are often disguised as suicide, fire or an accident.

63. #263
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:01 am, Joy said:

    Violations of ‘Islamic teachings’ take deadly toll on Iraqi women

    Oh, bluesoc thinks we should have Sharia Law to bring down murders/rapes in United States.

64. #264
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:02 am, southcoast said:

    On February 14th, 2009 at 11:38 pm, purplepeep said:

    Joy said:
    Another leftist with a broken moral equivilency guage.

    The lad just knows nothing about Islam, Christianity – nor quite likely about any belief system for that matter, Joy.

    Right, while I am not a Christian nor a Muslim, you have no idea what my beliefs are.

    The key here is that for Muslims to maim and murder is pretty much de rigeur. Murder, e.g. the homicide bombers, is the only sure way for a Muslim to make it into their Paradise and get the virgins & other goodies.

    Murder……the only sure way to get to paradise…..are there other ways you can get there….perhaps on stand by?

    Other goodies? You get like 72 virgins …and a bonus pack?

    Yes, apparently “I” am the only one that knows nothing about Islam.

65. #265
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:03 am, Joy said:

    PAKISTAN

    Honour killings of girls and women

    Women in Pakistan live in fear. They face death by shooting, burning or killing with axes if they are deemed to have brought shame on the family. They are killed for supposed ‘illicit’ relationships, for marrying men of their choice, for divorcing abusive husbands. They are even murdered by their kin if they are raped as they are thereby deemed to have brought shame on their family.

66. #266
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:06 am, alaskangrizzly said:

    Check out the murder rates by country. Muslim countries are pretty low on the list.

    Here’s detailed stats on the US as compared to Saudi Arabia.

    Notice how the US has higher rates of murder and rape.

    Totally, if we instituted stoning murderers and rapists to death here in the US too I guarantee our rates would drop to a comparable level.

    Stupid liberals…

67. #267
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:07 am, Rip Ford said:

    I’d be interested in knowing what types of deaths get included in the Nationmaster statistics. For example, when Saudi Arabia’s religious police forced girls to remain inside a burning school building because they weren’t properly attired, were those deaths counted as murders, executions, or not at all because they weren’t considered a crime by the Saudi authorities?

68. #268
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:10 am, Joy said:

    Purplepeep – Another man bites dog story would be a leftist actually condemning this atrocity instead of diverting the topic to Christianity or The USA is worse!

    Soooooooo predictable.

69. #269
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:10 am, Bogtrotter said:

    “We’ve obviously overcome such brutality,…..”

    True, Bluesoc. Take the time it took for us to do so, add a few thousand years, and you will have the length of time it will take the muslim world to do so.

70. #270
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:14 am, bluesoc said:

    I’d be interested in knowing what types of deaths get included in the Nationmaster statistics.

    That’s a valid point. I didn’t look into the sources too much.

71. #271
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:16 am, Joy said:

    Rip Ford #266 – Exactly!

    Nor do they take into account the extreme violence and total loss of liberty women live under in those countries.

72. #272
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:22 am, bluesoc said:

    Perhaps I shouldn’t have introduced the statistics. The only reason I did was to contradict the poster who said this:

    Muslims behead on every day with a “y” in it. Psychotic violence is part and parcel of their religion and culture. Now, what would be news is if Muslims were not beheading, mutilating, mass murdering, etc.

    So, outside of that context, you can disregard them. I was not trying to say that Saudi Arabia is better than the US. I only used the comparison to provide some context.

73. #273
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:24 am, Joy said:

    I have tons more articles from sources all over the world and could link all night long to show how common honor killings are and how frequently Muslims are involved in beheadings.

    But I know certain people would simply ignore them all and post a few more links about beheaded birds. Hint Check out turkey farms, there’s almost as much beheading going on at hem as in Muslim countries and Muslim areas throughout other countries…

    And there’s apparently no difference in a leftist’s mind empty head between various forms of birds and women.

74. #274
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:25 am, purplepeep said:

    Joy said:
    Purplepeep – Another man bites dog story would be a leftist actually condemning this atrocity instead of diverting the topic to Christianity or The USA is worse!

    Soooooooo predictable.

    Yup, Joy, the left is an apologist for anything that’s anti-America. Plus, the kid here just hasn’t been around the reality block.

    In a way, he’s a “victim” – of anti-America propaganda and ignorance. He is unable to deal with the “dog bites man” nature of the incredibly obvious link of horrific violence and Islam.

    Me, I’d be pleasantly shocked if a day went by where the followers of the regional desert deity took a break from their savagery.

75. #275
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:25 am, bluesoc said:

    I’m curious. Is anyone here friends with any Muslims?

76. #276
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:26 am, Joy said:

    Oh dear, MY BAD, I meant womyn

77. #277
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:34 am, purplepeep said:

    Joy said:
    I have tons more articles from sources all over the world

    The Muslims are certainly driving up the rape statistics in Britain:

    British Women Pay High Price for Multiculturalism

    The Religion Of Peace keeps good track of many of the ongoing Islamic atrocities.

78. #278
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:36 am, southcoast said:

    I’m curious. Is anyone here friends with any Muslims?

    One of my dearest friends is a Pakistani Muslim, my next door neighbor is an Egyptian by birth, considers himself a non-practicing Muslim and is kind enough to watch the house while I travel. And I have made numerous friends in Iraq and Kuwait since ’03.

79. #279
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:42 am, Joy said:

    Islam and violence

    While Western liberals often insist that foreign occupation is at the root of Islamic violence, they conveniently ignore the fact that when the U.S.S. Cole was attacked, and the World Trade Center was on two separate bloody occasions, no such occupation was taking place.

    We simply cannot overlook extremist interpretations of religion as a significant part of the problem when terrorists yell, “God is great!” as they decapitate their victims or blow themselves up in a crowded market.

    But the Muslim world’s support of faith-based violence is not limited to governments and their non-state proxies. Consider a June Pew Global Attitudes poll that showed a majority of Muslims in Jordan, Egypt and Nigeria, as well as roughly a third in France, Spain and Great Britain, felt violence against civilians can be justified in order to defend Islam. Worse, a July 2005 poll found 22 percent of British Muslims said last summer’s rush-hour bombings of London’s metro system, which killed 52 people, were justified because of Britain’s support for the war on terror. This included 31 percent of young British Muslims.

    Some Muslims’ appetite for destruction is not surprising given the ability of prominent Muslim leaders to foment hatred of the West. Following Pope Benedict’s September comments, Imams across the Middle East and North Africa issued fatwas for his death. Similar threats were made in advance of the pope’s visit to Turkey. Meanwhile in France, the Interior Ministry has announced that Muslims are waging an undeclared “intifada” against police, with attacks injuring an average of 14 officers a day. There are bright spots, of course. Several thousand Muslims in Kismayo, Somalia recently publicly protested the arrival of an al Qaeda-backed Islamic militia. But while experts assure us only a small percentage (perhaps 10 percent) of Muslims are willing to participate in terror, with 1.2 billion Muslims globally, that’s more than 100 million jihadists.

80. #280
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:50 am, Joy said:

    I’m curious. Is anyone here friends with any Muslims?

    What does that have to do with anything? Knowing one or a few peaceful ones doesn’t take away from the violence I see and read about pretty much every day of the week. The Pope calls them violent and how do they react? Violence and rioting… if it weren’t so sick, it would be funny.

    Hey, I also have a few friends who are Democrats…

81. #281
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:56 am, bluesoc said:

    What does that have to do with anything? Knowing one or a few peaceful ones doesn’t take away from the violence I see and read about pretty much every day of the week.

    I thought that perhaps it would account for our different views on Islam.

    I grew up in Michigan which (I believe) has the highest population of Muslims in the country. I had a lot of good friends who were Muslim in high school. I’ve known many Muslims, and lived by a whole lot more, who were peaceful. So, it’s difficult for me to believe people who say that Islam is inherently violent.

82. #282
    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:57 am, southcoast said:

    Joy, I was really impressed that you linked to Amnesty International (for the purpose of condemning the treatment of women in Pakistan, (not for their position on Guantanamo Bay, don’t want to assume you stand up for all human rights)), then you spoil it for me by linking to a Daniel Allott (Gary Bauer lapdog) editorial.

83. #283
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:01 am, joeblough said:

    Now we can watch every mohammedan who has a chance try to rationalize this away by comparing it to every other imaginable sort of crime — and then triumphantly declare “Everybody does it!“.

    The only thing one ever hears are disavowals, evasions and excuses.

    It’s quite disgusting really.

    What is it about the mohammedans that they seem absolutely incapable of thinking critically about their own culture?

    BTW: for those that are interested in formal logic here’s the standard mohammedan answer:

    ================================

    Fallacy: Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

    Also Known as: “You Too Fallacy”
    Description of Ad Hominem Tu Quoque

    This fallacy is committed when it is concluded that a person’s claim is false because 1) it is inconsistent with something else a person has said or 2) what a person says is inconsistent with her actions. This type of “argument” has the following form:

    1. Person A makes claim X.
    2. Person B asserts that A’s actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
    3. Therefore X is false.

    The fact that a person makes inconsistent claims does not make any particular claim he makes false (although of any pair of inconsistent claims only one can be true – but both can be false). Also, the fact that a person’s claims are not consistent with his actions might indicate that the person is a hypocrite but this does not prove his claims are false.

    ================================

    From:
    The Nizkor Project – Fallacies

84. #284
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:03 am, Joy said:

    southcoast – Ah yes, the broken moral equivalency guage…

    Honor killings against womyn same as TERRORISTS.

85. #285
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:06 am, Joy said:

    Post 283 is worded very badly. I should have said you defend honor killings against women, while decrying a facility that houses TERRORISTS better than our Military men!

86. #286
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:19 am, Joy said:

    southcoast – And I’ll bet you’re pro-abortion. I guess you’re not for all human rights…

    I’m going to bed now. I’ve read enough grisly stuff.

87. #287
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:26 am, southcoast said:

    Joy, I have not defended honor killing, or any killing for that matter in any way. I have objected to the “blame the media implications” for covering up this story, in other post. And I tried to imply that to stand up for human rights should include all humans.

    I also noted I have many Muslim friends and aquaintences, and I will ad all of their wives and/or exwives are still walking around with their heads. If their condition should change (regarding loss of noggin), I will let you know.

    As far as: decrying a facility that houses TERRORISTS better than our Military men!
    WTF?

88. #288
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:35 am, southcoast said:

    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:19 am, Joy said:

    southcoast – And I’ll bet you’re pro-abortion. I guess you’re not for all human rights…

    I’m going to bed now. I’ve read enough grisly stuff.

    I repeat

    #286
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:26 am, southcoast said:

    Joy, I have not defended honor killing, or any killing for that matter in any way.
    

    Sleep well………

89. #289
    On February 15th, 2009 at 1:54 am, yohannbiimu said:

    On February 15th, 2009 at 12:56 am, bluesoc said:

    I thought that perhaps it would account for our different views on Islam.

    I grew up in Michigan which (I believe) has the highest population of Muslims in the country. I had a lot of good friends who were Muslim in high school. I’ve known many Muslims, and lived by a whole lot more, who were peaceful. So, it’s difficult for me to believe people who say that Islam is inherently violent.

    Your experience with Muslims who have not been indoctrinated in the full-bore Islam that is taught in the Middle East and in Saudi-funded schools in other countries has nothing to do with knowing what Islam is. Islam is a political system with religious aspects, not the other way around. It demands that the entire world submit to it, and for its followers to wage continual war upon those who resist.

    Most people do not realize that for the entire span of its existence, Islam has been at war with the non-Muslim world non-stop. Also, most people are not familiar with the exclusively Muslim concept of “abrogation,” whereas where there ARE Koranic verses that call for peace and tolerance, they have been “abrogated” by the verses that demand that Muslims subjugated non-Muslims, and if need be, kill them.

    Your Muslim friends may show you where Muslim is “peaceful;” however, they may not know that these scriptures are no longer in effect, in spite of the fact that they are in the Koran. The “peaceful” verses were all pronounced when Mohammad was in a state of weakness, and was not in any position to dictate anything to anyone. After he got a large following, the verses became more demanding. The earlier ones didn’t go away, but they were no longer in effect.

    For the past 1300+ years, Muslims have killed millions upon millions of Hindus, Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews, non-believers, and non-Muslims in general. You need to read the accounts of those who survived their jihads through the ages. The most recent stint of massacres was by the Ottoman Turks against Armenian and Greek Christians from 1915 to 1923. Before it started, there were about 4.5 million Christians in the Asia Minor region. Today there are about 100,000.

    Islam is the most intolerant system ever devised by man. If you are deemed a polytheist or an atheist, you are dead–no questions asked, thus saith the almighty prophet. If you believe in one God, but he isn’t THEIRS, then you have the choice of accepting theirs, paying them protection money to stay alive–to be humiliated as a “dhimmi,” or resist and be killed.

    A woman’s testimony is worth only one-third that of a man’s. Any woman who is raped and wants justice must provide at least two witnesses OF THE ACT ITSELF who will testify on her behalf. Most often, raped women in Muslim communities are charged with adultery, and are themselves stoned to death. Very rarely do men suffer the consequences of their sexual deviance.

    These are ALL facts regarding Islamic law (Sharia), where women are less than second class citizens, to be done with and to at the will of the men, and non-Muslims are either humiliated or hunted down and slaughtered. This is the bulk of Islamic history since the seventh century, until Mustafa Kemal Atatürk abolished the Caliphate in 1924 (an act that Muslims have since decried, and desperately want reinstalled).

    Even today, non-Muslims in so-called Muslim lands are persecuted and killed (in Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran–basically anywhere that Muslims hold power over the population. With the immense testimony of Islamic history (by their OWN accounts) that speak of their violent tendencies and policies, how can you NOT conclude that Islam is “inherently violent.”

90. #290
    On February 15th, 2009 at 2:02 am, bluesoc said:

    Your experience with Muslims who have not been indoctrinated in the full-bore Islam that is taught in the Middle East and in Saudi-funded schools in other countries has nothing to do with knowing what Islam is.

    Most of them are first or second generation immigrants, so I don’t think your argument really holds up.

91. #291
    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:36 am, yohannbiimu said:

    On February 15th, 2009 at 2:02 am, bluesoc said:

    Most of them are first or second generation immigrants, so I don’t think your argument really holds up.

    You don’t think so because you aren’t listening. All it will take to make your friends into a real Muslim is having the rules drummed down their throats day after day, until they’re convinced that Muhammad’s way is the ONLY way, and they must follow his example (essentially everything I said above).

    A lot of Muslims come here to get away from Sharia, but once they get here, their children get pressured by those who are really in “the way” of Islam. It isn’t extremist for them, because they are actually getting BACK to their roots once they are taught what is true Islam.

    MY ARGUMENT is about what is INHERENT about Islam–going back to its roots up throughout its history. IT IS INHERENTLY VIOLENT, regardless of who you THINK you know. Your experience with certain Muslims in your community is irrelevant. History about Islam is what it is, and you need to get to know what that is before you tell me what doesn’t “hold up.”

92. #292
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:58 am, torabora said:

    bluesoc’s head could be severed and placed on his chest and he would still be blubbering on about what a peaceful religion Islam is.

    Monte Python made comedic bank off morons like him.

    He is Lenin’s “useful idiot”. He is dangerous to the rest of us and needs to be marginalized. Remember there are some who believe that 9/11 was a US Government “inside job” too.

93. #293
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:10 am, Socky said:

    If people like bluesoc and lgm couldn’t make up huge, enormous leaps of logic to create artificial moral equivalence, they would be unable to rationalize their bigotry against Christians.

94. #294
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:25 am, WarEagle82 said:

    I knew a young lady from Pakistan a long time ago. She had come with her family to America. Her parents attempted to exercise control over virtually every aspect of her life. They were constantly calling her at work to see where she was and what she was doing.

    One day, several of us were talking about high school dances and proms and generally strolling down memory lane. I asked the young lady if she went to her prom or dances in high school. I will never forget her answer. She looked at me and calmly responded, “No, we didn’t have dances or proms. They would have stoned me.”

    As far as I can tell, there is an infinite list of “crimes” for which a female may be stoned in Islam. Women in Islam are valued less than cattle. And if they displease a male relative they will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. And killing a female is generally not considered a crime and is not reported and is not considered murder.

95. #295
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am, englishqueen01 said:

    Also there were Christians in the US who celebrated Christian massacres of Bosnians not long ago.

    Um, first, evidence please.

    Second, please prove where, in current Christian theology (and not cherry-picked passages from the Old Testament and/or references to Westboro Baptists), celebrating the deaths of others is sound Christian doctrine.

    It isn’t.

    Meanwhile, you have a religion with a significant (as in millions) portion of its followers who believe killing people of other religions, cultures, and even different sects of their same religion is not only necessary, but required for salvation and glory.

    The “Christians are just as bad as Muslims” meme was stupid when Rosie O’Donnell said it on “The View” and it’s stupid now. Heck, anyone who’s paying attention knows that religious police in Saudi Arabia spent this past weekend making sure no one sold, bought, or otherwise celebrated St. Valentine’s Day because it leads to “immorality”…meanwhile, here, my husband and I went out – gave each other red gifts (forbidden in Saudi Arabia), and I even drove (women can’t drive in Saudi Arabia). Anyone who pretends we’re all the same is ignorant – willfully or otherwise.

    Go live in, say, Rome for a month and then go live in Tehran for a month. The difference between how you’re treated, and the cultures, will be startlingly obvious…

96. #296
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:01 am, jangar said:

    This to me sums it up:

    If a Muslim kills because he says Allah commanded him, he’s viewed in his religion as a fundamentalist believer. If a Christian kills because he says God commanded him, he’s viewed in his religion as a nut case and locked away and put in white jacket with extra longsleeves.

    Muslims in mass don’t cry out about the actions of many other Muslims who behead/kill.

    Christians in mass DO cry out about the actions of VERY FEW other Christians who behead/kill.

    The ratios are extreemly out of balance. And finally:

    Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.

    It didn’t work.

97. #297
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am, FilmLadd said:

    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

    Winston Churchill, “The River War”, 1899

    Maybe its’ just me, but I find Churchill’s opinions a tad more relevant that Bluesoc’s, even if they are over a century older.

98. #298
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:39 am, purplepeep said:

    southcoast said:
    then you spoil it for me by linking to a Daniel Allott (Gary Bauer lapdog) editorial.

    Laddie, shooting the messenger doesn’t change the bad news.

99. #299
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:42 am, purplepeep said:

    FilmLadd said:
    “the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

    Winnie certainly knew whereof he spoke there, FL.

100. #300
     On February 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am, JHSII said:

     Bluesoc reminds me of the German family they found after WWII that lived just down the road from one of the death camps who said “No, we didn’t know anything was happening there.” Or maybe Walter Duranty who won a Pulitzer writing about how the people in the Ukraine loved “Uncle Joe” Stalin and collectivation, even as he was stumbling over the bodies of millions of dead.

     Another thing I noticed from the liberals is their efforts to compare 7th century Christianity with 21st century islam. They don’t dare compare 21st century Christianity with 21st century islam because that puts islam in a bad light. They have to make moral equivalence.
     Christianity grew up. islam has chosen to remain in the 7th century.