The barbaric Muslim beheading in Buffalo
Do you think this will get as much attention from the MSM as, say, the Ted Haggard scandal or Pat Robertson’s Teletubbies remarks?
Somehow, I doubt it. (Link):
Orchard Park police are investigating a particularly gruesome killing, the beheading of a woman, after her husband — an influential member of the local Muslim community — reported her death to police Thursday.
Police identified the victim as Aasiya Z. Hassan, 37. Detectives have charged her husband, Muzzammil Hassan, 44, with second-degree murder.
“He came to the police station at 6:20 p.m. [Thursday] and told us that she was dead,” Orchard Park Police Chief Andrew Benz said late this morning.
Muzzammil Hassan told police that his wife was at his business, Bridges TV, on Thorn Avenue in the village. Officers went to that location and discovered her body.
Muzzammil Hassan is the founder and chief executive officer of Bridges TV, which he launched in 2004, amid hopes that it would help portray Muslims in a more positive light.
The killing apparently occurred some time late Thursday afternoon. Detectives still are looking for the murder weapon…
Daniel Pipes has been tracking Bridges since 2004. See this helpful timeline updated with the latest gruesome developments. Pipes notes:
1) No, this is not at all obviously about domestic violence. It is obviously about a totalitarian ideology in our midst that authorities like district attorneys refuse to open their eyes to. Phyllis Chesler establishes this point beyond a doubt in a forthcoming Middle East Quarterly article, “Are Honor Killings Simply Domestic Violence?” Spring 2009, pp. 61-69.
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southcoast – Ah yes, the broken moral equivalency guage…
Honor killings against womyn same as TERRORISTS.
Post 283 is worded very badly. I should have said you defend honor killings against women, while decrying a facility that houses TERRORISTS better than our Military men!
southcoast – And I’ll bet you’re pro-abortion. I guess you’re not for all human rights…
I’m going to bed now. I’ve read enough grisly stuff.
Joy, I have not defended honor killing, or any killing for that matter in any way. I have objected to the “blame the media implications” for covering up this story, in other post. And I tried to imply that to stand up for human rights should include all humans.
I also noted I have many Muslim friends and aquaintences, and I will ad all of their wives and/or exwives are still walking around with their heads. If their condition should change (regarding loss of noggin), I will let you know.
As far as: decrying a facility that houses TERRORISTS better than our Military men!
WTF?
I repeat
Your experience with Muslims who have not been indoctrinated in the full-bore Islam that is taught in the Middle East and in Saudi-funded schools in other countries has nothing to do with knowing what Islam is. Islam is a political system with religious aspects, not the other way around. It demands that the entire world submit to it, and for its followers to wage continual war upon those who resist.
Most people do not realize that for the entire span of its existence, Islam has been at war with the non-Muslim world non-stop. Also, most people are not familiar with the exclusively Muslim concept of “abrogation,” whereas where there ARE Koranic verses that call for peace and tolerance, they have been “abrogated” by the verses that demand that Muslims subjugated non-Muslims, and if need be, kill them.
Your Muslim friends may show you where Muslim is “peaceful;” however, they may not know that these scriptures are no longer in effect, in spite of the fact that they are in the Koran. The “peaceful” verses were all pronounced when Mohammad was in a state of weakness, and was not in any position to dictate anything to anyone. After he got a large following, the verses became more demanding. The earlier ones didn’t go away, but they were no longer in effect.
For the past 1300+ years, Muslims have killed millions upon millions of Hindus, Christians, Zoroastrians, Jews, non-believers, and non-Muslims in general. You need to read the accounts of those who survived their jihads through the ages. The most recent stint of massacres was by the Ottoman Turks against Armenian and Greek Christians from 1915 to 1923. Before it started, there were about 4.5 million Christians in the Asia Minor region. Today there are about 100,000.
Islam is the most intolerant system ever devised by man. If you are deemed a polytheist or an atheist, you are dead–no questions asked, thus saith the almighty prophet. If you believe in one God, but he isn’t THEIRS, then you have the choice of accepting theirs, paying them protection money to stay alive–to be humiliated as a “dhimmi,” or resist and be killed.
A woman’s testimony is worth only one-third that of a man’s. Any woman who is raped and wants justice must provide at least two witnesses OF THE ACT ITSELF who will testify on her behalf. Most often, raped women in Muslim communities are charged with adultery, and are themselves stoned to death. Very rarely do men suffer the consequences of their sexual deviance.
These are ALL facts regarding Islamic law (Sharia), where women are less than second class citizens, to be done with and to at the will of the men, and non-Muslims are either humiliated or hunted down and slaughtered. This is the bulk of Islamic history since the seventh century, until Mustafa Kemal Atatürk abolished the Caliphate in 1924 (an act that Muslims have since decried, and desperately want reinstalled).
Even today, non-Muslims in so-called Muslim lands are persecuted and killed (in Sudan, Somalia, Egypt, Indonesia, Iran–basically anywhere that Muslims hold power over the population. With the immense testimony of Islamic history (by their OWN accounts) that speak of their violent tendencies and policies, how can you NOT conclude that Islam is “inherently violent.”
Most of them are first or second generation immigrants, so I don’t think your argument really holds up.
You don’t think so because you aren’t listening. All it will take to make your friends into a real Muslim is having the rules drummed down their throats day after day, until they’re convinced that Muhammad’s way is the ONLY way, and they must follow his example (essentially everything I said above).
A lot of Muslims come here to get away from Sharia, but once they get here, their children get pressured by those who are really in “the way” of Islam. It isn’t extremist for them, because they are actually getting BACK to their roots once they are taught what is true Islam.
MY ARGUMENT is about what is INHERENT about Islam–going back to its roots up throughout its history. IT IS INHERENTLY VIOLENT, regardless of who you THINK you know. Your experience with certain Muslims in your community is irrelevant. History about Islam is what it is, and you need to get to know what that is before you tell me what doesn’t “hold up.”
bluesoc’s head could be severed and placed on his chest and he would still be blubbering on about what a peaceful religion Islam is.
Monte Python made comedic bank off morons like him.
He is Lenin’s “useful idiot”. He is dangerous to the rest of us and needs to be marginalized. Remember there are some who believe that 9/11 was a US Government “inside job” too.
If people like bluesoc and lgm couldn’t make up huge, enormous leaps of logic to create artificial moral equivalence, they would be unable to rationalize their bigotry against Christians.
I knew a young lady from Pakistan a long time ago. She had come with her family to America. Her parents attempted to exercise control over virtually every aspect of her life. They were constantly calling her at work to see where she was and what she was doing.
One day, several of us were talking about high school dances and proms and generally strolling down memory lane. I asked the young lady if she went to her prom or dances in high school. I will never forget her answer. She looked at me and calmly responded, “No, we didn’t have dances or proms. They would have stoned me.”
As far as I can tell, there is an infinite list of “crimes” for which a female may be stoned in Islam. Women in Islam are valued less than cattle. And if they displease a male relative they will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. And killing a female is generally not considered a crime and is not reported and is not considered murder.
Um, first, evidence please.
Second, please prove where, in current Christian theology (and not cherry-picked passages from the Old Testament and/or references to Westboro Baptists), celebrating the deaths of others is sound Christian doctrine.
It isn’t.
Meanwhile, you have a religion with a significant (as in millions) portion of its followers who believe killing people of other religions, cultures, and even different sects of their same religion is not only necessary, but required for salvation and glory.
The “Christians are just as bad as Muslims” meme was stupid when Rosie O’Donnell said it on “The View” and it’s stupid now. Heck, anyone who’s paying attention knows that religious police in Saudi Arabia spent this past weekend making sure no one sold, bought, or otherwise celebrated St. Valentine’s Day because it leads to “immorality”…meanwhile, here, my husband and I went out – gave each other red gifts (forbidden in Saudi Arabia), and I even drove (women can’t drive in Saudi Arabia). Anyone who pretends we’re all the same is ignorant – willfully or otherwise.
Go live in, say, Rome for a month and then go live in Tehran for a month. The difference between how you’re treated, and the cultures, will be startlingly obvious…
This to me sums it up:
Muslims in mass don’t cry out about the actions of many other Muslims who behead/kill.
Christians in mass DO cry out about the actions of VERY FEW other Christians who behead/kill.
The ratios are extreemly out of balance. And finally:
It didn’t work.
Winston Churchill, “The River War”, 1899
Maybe its’ just me, but I find Churchill’s opinions a tad more relevant that Bluesoc’s, even if they are over a century older.
Laddie, shooting the messenger doesn’t change the bad news.
Winnie certainly knew whereof he spoke there, FL.
Bluesoc reminds me of the German family they found after WWII that lived just down the road from one of the death camps who said “No, we didn’t know anything was happening there.” Or maybe Walter Duranty who won a Pulitzer writing about how the people in the Ukraine loved “Uncle Joe” Stalin and collectivation, even as he was stumbling over the bodies of millions of dead.
Another thing I noticed from the liberals is their efforts to compare 7th century Christianity with 21st century islam. They don’t dare compare 21st century Christianity with 21st century islam because that puts islam in a bad light. They have to make moral equivalence.
Christianity grew up. islam has chosen to remain in the 7th century.
While we are rightly concerned about the violence that Muslims have directed at non-Muslims, the fact is that other Muslims have been the largest number of victims of Islam-fueled violence. Think Iraq, Algeria and Darfur for starters, just as the victim of the crime that triggered this thread was a Muslim.
On February 15th, 2009 at 12:25 am, bluesoc said:
Thanks to the USDA about 75-90% of the MD’s and specialists in eastern KY are Muslim (anecdotal but no exaggeration), mostly from India, so yes, many of us here are acquainted with adherents of Islam.
That is because blue(stained)soc is irrelevant.
Relevant! Gov’t can’t shut down terrorist training camps in U.S.
UMMMMM not “Christian” or “Jewish” camps. Go figure.
That’s it. You’re out of the club.
I met quite a few in the middle east, nice enough guys, but what disturbed me is that they do not understand how the United States can have laws that are not handed down from God. I tried to explain to one guy that our laws are written to protect people from harm. He did not understand that, he kept saying that if you just follow what is written in the Quran, everything is good. Everyone I met also wants to eventually go to Europe or the United States. By all accounts it seems to me that Muslims feel that the only laws they must obey are their religious ones and it is okay to ignore everyone else’s. That is a dangerous clash of culture, one that is already on display in Europe and it seems will become more and more commonplace here as well.
Most of the Muslims I have met here in the United States are ones who have converted, most of them from stays in prison. Ramadan is usually their motive, our prisons supplying feasts to them after the fast. The feast is comprised of very rich, expensive foods. Since these prisoners are many times violent in nature, other then getting a tax payer funded feast, the violent nature of Islam appeals to them.
I don’t believe that all Muslims are bad people, but it seems to me that the ones I have met are not tolerant to handle my opinions or critique over their religion. I can’t be friends with someone who I would have to a$$ kiss so as not to offend them. If there are Muslims out there who can debate without getting their panties twisted up their cracks, i could be a good friend to them. So all of you defender of the downtrodden, your Muslim friends, do you walk on eggshells with them? Do you tell them that other religions are worse than theirs so that you and he can “feel good” about yourselves? My best friends are all people who I can tell what is right and wrong about and they can tell me when i am right and wrong. Muslims rarely fall into that category.
That’s pretty harsh… LOL
.oO(I think my mom was a Dem)
Oh dear! I thought only Republicans like that mean old GW Bush risked America’s standing and reputation in the world – will insulting our allies and behaving rudely win us friends?
Oops! Didn’t see the NB link already in the sidebar – good read on Obama’s hypocrisy all the same!
Like this one?
This statement was made within the context of the effective use of America’s and Australia’s natural resources-/lands to the greater benefit of all; other than the non-pc language, there is nothing there to indicate explicit discriminatory exclusion of either mentioned race.
The language isn’t “non-pC.” It’s strait up racist. A higher grade race?
You sure you meant to post that? It sounds like he was saying that the stronger race had a right to the land. Like DBN said, the stronger more worldly race put the land to better use. That is what it sounds like he is saying. And, I think this was said before the PCification of the west. Something no one would dare say today, especially a politician.
Oh, okay, you meant to post it as racist.
perhaps churchill was a dawinist!
You don’t see anything wrong with that?
Yikes
Alas, if Churchill could have grown up in Harlem like Slick did…
Blue(stained)soc just condemned over 1/2 of our Presidents (including Abe). Oh, and all of Islam.
what?
I think that you have been propagandized to the point that you cannot see past the trees. The Democrats have done more damage to minority communities than anyone. They have convinced people of color that they can never achieve success in this country and there is no need to try through social and walfare programs designed to keep them slaves to voting to promote their own walfare, in a sense always for democrats. Just because politicians change the words around so that it is PC, they are basically doing the same thing as what Churchill said. If it wasn’t for the superior race you people would be nowhere, unable to take care of yourselves.
I live in the United States, there is nothing I can do about that. If you want, you are welcome to pack up everything in your home, take it to a (insert minority group here) neighborhood and pass it out as your own reparations. I prefer to treat people as strong and independent and certainly able to take care of themselves, without my intervention or care. I don’t kiss their a$$, which in fact ticks me off when people do it to me. But, be my guest, it is a free country (well for now).
Your concern is racisim?
I repeat:
Blue(stained)soc just condemned over 1/2 of our Presidents (including Abe). Oh, and all of Islam.
That’s an interesting take on it. I wouldn’t exactly equate it to “Superior races may take the land of inferior races,” but maybe I have been indoctrinated.
You most certainly have.
I still don’t quite understand what you’re getting at.
However, Churchill was pretty clearly racist. I think that discredits his opinion of Muslims (which FilmLadd quoted earlier). That’s all.
And it is the same, the act of not being wrong, Churchill was saying that the superior race has brought the inferior race to a modernized way of living. In other words, the superior race did them a favor. The democrats are telling the minorities, we are doing you a favor. It is the same thing.
Chap…er…bluesoc, you’re diverting from the point of the thread, that a woman lost her life to her husband on American soil and in a manner conforming with her husband’s faith, but I’ll just add that considering slavery was still tolerated in much of the third world at the time, Churchill’s statement is relatively mild and nullified by the fact he acted valiantly to keep the West free from Nazi and Soviet rule.
Bluesoc is trying to go the RACIST route now to protect his “feelings” about Islam. You know, the whole racist argument that is supposed to make people stop debating and run away.
I still don’t think you can equate taking land with giving welfare. Especially because the later involves a choice and the former does not. I think the “favor” analogy is a bit thin.
I’ve already posted this, but I’ve yet to find anything in the Koran or Sharia that says beheading is the proper method of killing for adultery or divorce. He does not seem to have been following Muslim law very closely.
Also, as I stated earlier, my post was in response to FilmLadd using a Churchill quote that was critical of Muslims. Personally, I don’t think his opinion counts for much, since he was pretty clearly a racist.
should probably read: Technologically or militarily superior people have always taken the land of technologically or militarily inferior peoples. It’s been going on since the dawn of man!
Your concern is racisim?
Substitute 1/2 of our Presidents (including Abe) because they said some racist remarks – like Churchill. Thoams Jefferson read the Quran to know his enemy – Islam. Oops, let’s not let that fact get in the way.
If you do not think Islam is racist – you are just being an idiot.
Was that simple enough for you lgm light?
Anybody who does not believe this statement needs to read THIS BOOK.
But he did seem to be following a Muslim-/Arab proclivity, as evidenced by the recent actions of Islam adherents.
And we have already posted that beheadings are more particular in Muslim cultures and that he seems to have killed her as more than just a jealous husband and that the media is not going to make waves.
you can go find one of your Muslim friends, give him a big hug and tell him how other religions are worse than Islam and you can feel good about yourself. Good luck with it.
Just because something has happened in the past, does not make it right. He implied that it was ok.
Then it would seem to be more of a cultural thing rather than strictly religious.
That was much clearer, thank you.Now I realize that you misunderstood my statements (perhaps I was unclear).
I was not discrediting everything Churchill did or said. Simply that which applies to Muslims.
Hey soc, I’m sure it was just an oversight, but how about those specifics on all that Christian celebrating in the USA about Serbs committing mass murder?
So when do you condemn racism by Muslims? Show me a Jewish synagogue in Iran or a Christian church for that matter. Show me where Christians/Jews behead Muslims. The fact of the matter concerning this thread is a Muslim man beheaded his wife in the USA (not the first time and will not be the last) and that should end all discussion on Churchill’s racism.
I didn’t post that.
And the difference then is? Your argument is insane. Culture or religion, chopping off heads is incompatible with this country’s culture and its intentions.
I think it is fairly apparent that bluesoc will soon be an official MM minder, sent by ACORN, to enforce duh1’s duhrectives.
All hail Lord Obama!
As a member of the Buffalo community it saddens me that you would post this story but nothing about crash of flight 3407
You’re absolutely right that its incompatible with American culture. I think ALL Americans would agree with that.
The difference is important because it means that his particular culture is incompatible with being American, NOT Islam in general.
I have actually had some contact with ACORN. I recently moved and needed to change my voting address. There were tons of ACORN volunteers downtown, so I changed my address with one of them. It was quite convenient actually.
I know you didn’t post that. But you made the claim:
To which I asked:
Really? Which ones specifically?
I just thought, after such a claim, that you would be able to back it up with documentation. Someone else also asked the same thing.
Islam is their culture and politics. See #304. I believe that he beheaded her because of his religion. If by chance he was crazy like the guy who killed his son, I think we have a right to know. I think the media should seek to find out and report facts, not what they want people to think. We have a right to tell people who come to this country, you have the right to whatever religion you want to practice, however you do not have the right to break our laws in its observance. This needs to be made an example of.
It’s hard to see any cleavage between the two; for too many of its followers, Islam is over-powering and all inclusive.
I didn’t post that or make any such claim.
In Islam there is not separation of church and anything. Their belief system is ALL. Again the idea that Islam is peaceful and wants to co-exist in the same way as the Christian faith and world view, folks who understand the separation of church and state (remembering the founders of this country who wrote about separation were mostly men/women of faith) is a lie. Islam is ALL.
Also remembering that while our founders did not want a government enforced religion, they at the same time did not endorse keeping personal faith out of government. Quite the opposite in fact. Our founders depended on their faith and generally Christian world view to create the documents and minset that formed this country.
Islam can not tolerate a Christian world view and is openly hostile towards it and to folks who hold it.
Any attempt to equate Islam with “other” religions is absurd.
To acquiesce is always easy. So, not only did I shut you down with my last post, now you show us why you chose blue. You can never be taken seriously – ever.
You may believe that, but so far, I don’t really see any evidence. Like I stated before, there is nothing in the Koran or Sharia law that calls for a beheading for adultery or divorce.
He has been charged with murder.
Yep, their culture frowns upon honor killings.
Keep going. Your condemnation is forthcoming – right?
I don’t really think there is a separation of Church and anything in Christianity either. The separation of Church and State by the founders was more of a political move than a religious one.
I think it’s possible to have such separation in Muslim countries as well. Turkey is a secular nation. They definitely have their problems, but I think it’s an example of how Islam does not need to be ALL.
I don’t believe I said anything about culture frowning on honor killings.
“Also there were Christians in the US who celebrated Christian massacres of Bosnians not long ago.”
Who ever posted that, that is absurd. We have pictures and tv broadcast of Muslims celebrating 9/11. Please point me to any such evidence of Christians doing likewise over Bosnia?
My bad – sorry soc. It was lgm.
“The separation of Church and State by the founders was more of a political move than a religious one.”
Then you need to re-read your history of the Europe most of our founders came from.
The separation was totally religious. It was because they wanted to be free to practice their own religious choices and not be forced into one religion.
Churchill wrote and spoke at such great length, it is easy to twist some of his words today.
But quoting him out of context, and without ellipses when words are left out, is a no-no.
Here is the full quote, in context:
This was not a racist statement–by “race” he meant a nation in a social construct that was more advanced at that point in time. Did Indian tribes war on other tribes, or African tribes on other tribes? It’s an old game–if you can’t defeat the message attack the messenger.
Anyone who wants to equate a Christian world view with an Islamic world view simply needs to go live in a country that is an Islamic world view country. Spend some time there, and then get back to us. Please, find out for yourselves. I beg you. I dare you. I’ll miss you when you don’t come back.
No worries.
Ah the noble savage myth lives on…..
Wow, 2nd degree murder. The fact that she was decapitated, the first slash of the knife may have been anger and was not intentional to kill, after that, when the head comes off, he intended to kill her, sounds like 1st degree to me. 2nd degree is not an example.
I’d like to make my point about the difference between religion and culture a little clearer.
I think there is a difference between saying that a religion is fundamentally flawed and saying that a culture’s interpretation of a religion in flawed. A culture can be changed and adapted, a religion cannot (although it can be interpreted differently). If a religion is fundamentally violent, it probably cannot coexist with the west. If, on the other hand, a culture’s interpretation of a religion is violent, the culture can be changed and adapted.
Was that directed at me?
Do you believe the savage is noble and if they would have been left alone by white men, the world and they would be okay?
…and their culture is based on? The Bible? The teaching of Jesus? Equality for all? Forget about “all”. How about equality for women? I assume you have a real problem with “equality for women”? What does the Quran say about the killing of infidels, you know, you and me?
Give us all a break.
I don’t really care to get into that discussion because it is WAY off topic. However, I do not believe anything in my previous comments would have suggested that I believe that.
Part II:
Yes, and that culture can become more extreme and violent. But why ignore history and facts?
A very strict interpretation of the Bible could lead to similar results (for Jews and Christians). However, our culture obviously does not interpret the Bible in such a way. Certain Muslim countries have a very strict interpretation of the Koran that leads to some absolutely awful and brutal stuff. I do not justify or excuse such behavior. However, it is possible to interpret the Koran in a way that is more compatible with American values and culture. Rather than focusing on the problems with Islam as a religion, we should focus on the problems with certain cultural interpretations of Islam.
Unfortunately I need to get some work done today, so I won’t be responding to any posts for quite a while.
There’s a relief.
So almost 400 posts later, we are to believe that since Churchill was a racist it’s ok to cut your wife’s head off. (I skipped a few posts, did I miss anything substantial?)
AG,
Great summary.
Blue(stained)soc,
So, how many more thousands of years before Islam catches up with the rest of us since “our” culture figured out long ago it is not a good thing to have honor killings or kill infidels?
You’re not fooling anybody. You are going to continue to read these and not respond for fear of looking more idioticer than you already have.
bluesoc said:
You do realize that the Koran is not the only authoritative source for Islam?
Since the Koran is insufficient by itself, Muslims also adhere to the Hadiths – traditions from the life of Muhammad. These Hadiths serve as a supplement to the Koran. Muhammad is held by Muslims to be the best person who ever lived. His life is to be imitated in all things. The bad part is, Muhammad did a lot of bad things – like having even women assassinated. They weren’t any physical threat to Muhammad or Islam, they had no real power. Their offense was simply insulting Muhammad.
Now if Muhammad had people butchered for insulting him, then someone who takes the example of Muhammad seriously is prone to do exactly what?
bluesoc said:
Actually, that principle is found within the Bible.
In Judaism, the priests were from the tribe of Levi, and the kings were from the tribe of Judah, so you had an early form of separation of church and state.
In Christianity, the separation is even more pronounced, and is summed up in Jesus’ profound response “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s.”
Christianity is a kingdom, but not a political kingdom. Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world, which is why He forbade His followers to wage war in the name of Christianity.
Contrast this with the fact that Muhammad rode into Mecca as a conqueror.
bluesoc…render unto God that which is God’s and render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s.
You’re pretty stupid, are you not? Or is it that you really are ignorant, unschooled, don’t know nuttin’? What is it?
Did you get knocked down for your lunch money and hit your head? Fell off your bike and hit your head? Tripped on your shoelace and….
FilmLadd wrote:
Thanks for the quotes — just as relevant in the pre-petroleum Middle East as today.
Especially striking is Churchill’s observation that “were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science – the science against which it had vainly struggled – the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.” It reminded me of the controversy about Salma Hayek breastfeeding an infant in Sierra Leone while she was on a UN mission. That whole situation came about because Sierra Leone babies die of tetanus and malnourishment because of two outrageous traditional practices there: Tetanus occurs because postnatal umbilical cords are packed with cow dung and/or mud; Breastfeeding is discouraged by men there because they don’t have intercourse while a mother is nursing.
It would not be fair to hang this aspect of the tragedy of life in Sierra Leone on Islam, but facts are — according to all sources I searched — Sierra Leone is 60% Muslim, 30% indigenous/tribal religion, and 10% Christian.
very good points..
was it on a white horse?? bet the MAHDI, who will soon raise his wounded head, will be on a white horse…
Blue Scociety,,, Where are all these muslims protesting these honor killings at? Where are all these moderates protesting these atrocities? Ive been scanning all the news agencies and the net and can’t find any. Maybe I am not a very good at finding them. I had no trouble with these folks protesting the Israelies for trying to contain the rocket shooters from the Gaza. That was very easy to find. The Christians that you post who committ murders, rape etc are probaby not truely born again. The Holy Spirit does not work this way and Jesus Himself said ” many will say on that day didn’t we do great things in your name and He will resond I never knew you. The thing about being a Christian is that you have a personal relationship with Christ and its not like belonging to a lodge at all. I will still go and look for all the good muslims protesting the grisley murders that are done by their fellow Muslim radical brothers and sisters.
Gee, you just might find them…right after you discover the secretive, elusive unicorn herds.