Sen. Roland Burris in hot water: GOP demands resignation, perjury probe; Update: Burris blames questioner for not asking him about Rob Blago; Reporters laugh at Burris

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 15, 2009 04:20 PM

Scroll for updates…4:30pm Eastern Burris scheduled to address press…5:00pm Eastern press conference is a disaster for Burris…press laughs at Burris for his dubious rationalization for omitting Rob Blago contact…

Welcome to “As the Worm Turns.” In the wake of news this weekend of possible perjury by Blago crony Sen. Roland Burris, the Illinois GOP is demanding an investigation — and now, resignation:

An Illinois Republican leader says the state’s freshman U.S. senator should resign over contradictory statements regarding Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s impeachment.

State Rep. Jim Durkin told reporters Sunday that Democrat Roland Burris should resign over an affidavit contradicting statements he made earlier to a House committee.

Durkin also wants Burris investigated for possible perjury.

Gov. Pat Quinn also says Burris owes a full explanation. Burris plans a news conference later Sunday.

An affidavit released Saturday indicates Blagojevich’s brother asked Burris to host a fundraiser for the governor before Burris was appointed to the vacancy left by Barack Obama. That reflects a major omission from January testimony.

Race card-waving in 3, 2, 1…

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4:29pm Eastern. Burris will be holding a press conference shortly to explain his amnesia.

4:38pm Eastern. Burris says he has made “no inconsistent statements.”

He says he had contact with 6 individuals about the seat, including Robert Blagojevich (Rod’s bro). Says he made clear he was not interested in donating money or doing favors for governor.

“Anyone who would suggest others…is simply playing at partisan politics.”

“Rob called me in October and as we said in the affidavit, that we advised him we would could not raise any money for him because we were raising money for other candidates…I couldn’t raise any money.”

Reporter asks why Rob Blago was not mentioned in first affidavit, but Lon Monk was. Lawyer says supplemental affidavit followed up and mentions that “he talked to friends” and that it was his intention to mention Rob Blago later.

Uh-huh.

Burris blames questioner for not asking specifically whether he spoke to Rob Blago.

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Time asks: Liar or fool? You decide:

Burris gets appointed to the Senate by Rod Blagojevich, a self-made cartoon of political ineptness and alleged corruption. The U.S. Senate won’t seat Burris until he testifies under oath that he is unblemished by the Blagojevich stain. Burris does this–under oath–knowing that any disclosure of contacts with the Blagojovich camp could jeopardize the Senate acceptance of his nomination. He submits a sworn affidavit saying “there was not any contact between myself or any of my representatives with Governor Blagojevich or any of his representatives” about the Senate seat before he was offered the job. A few days later, he testifies under oath that he did, after all, talk about the job previously with “some friends about his desire to be appointed.” He is asked specifically about conversations with Blagojevich aides and associates Doug Scofield, Bob Greenleaf, Lon Monk, John Wyma and John Harris. He says he spoke with Lon Monk, a state lobbyist with ties to Blagojevich. Based on this information, he is accepted into the U.S. Senate.

Last Friday, the Burris story changes again–big time. (To see the new affidavit, click here.) His new story, includes these salient details: As far back as June, at a fundraiser Burris attended for Blagojevich, Burris told two of the governor’s aides, Wyma and Scofield, that he was “interested” in the Senate job. He also talked to Blagojevich’s brother about the post, not once but three times in October and November, and Burris, as part of the same conversations, discussed raising money for Blagojevich with the brother. (Burris claims he declined, saying it would look bad.) In October he called Blagojevich’s chief of staff, John Harris, in an attempt to get his own nephew a state job, and then asked about the Senate appointment. He also called Ed Smith, a “friend and supporter” of Blagojevich’s, to ask if he had a chance of getting the Senate job.

Burris, still under oath in a sworn affidavit, now says that he did not bring these facts up during the January testimony because he was “asked another question,” and did not have a chance to more fully explain himself. At best, this makes Burris a political fool, because he knowingly allowed his new Senate colleagues to be played for fools by denying them all the information they sought. Uncovering these facts, after all, was the entire purpose of his testimony, and he knew that. Did he think he could get by without bringing them up? Did he not feel the responsibility to clear the air, if not at the hearing, then immediately following the hearing? Did he think no one would notice, or that the information would not eventually come out?

Full transcript of original testimony here.

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5:00pm Eastern update. The press just laughed at Burris for trying to defend his incomplete answer in his original affidavit.

REPRESENTATIVE DURKIN: Did you talk to any members of the Governor’s staff or anyone closely related to the Governor, including family members or any lobbyists connected with him, including let me throw out some names, John Harris, Rob Blagojevich, Doug Scofield, Bob Greenleaf, Lon Monk, John Wyma, did you talk to anybody who was associated with the Governor about your desire to seek the appointment prior to the Governor’s arrest?

MR. WRIGHT: Give us a moment.

MR. BURRIS: I talked to some friends about my desire to be appointed, yes.

REPRESENTATIVE DURKIN: I guess the point is I was trying to ask, did you speak to anybody who was
on the Governor’s staff prior to the Governor’s arrest or anybody, any of those individuals or anybody who is closely related to the Governor?

MR. BURRIS: I recall having a meeting with Lon Monk about my partner and I trying to get continued business, and I did bring it up, it must have been in September or maybe it was in July of ’08 that, you know, you’re close to the Governor, let him know that I am certainly interested in the seat.

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  1. #1
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:26 pm, regularguy said:

    It’s difficult finding a liberal democrat to fill positions who isn’t a career criminal or outright lunatic these days.

  2. #2
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, hunter said:

    Nothing to see here folks, move along.

  3. #3
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, ctmom said:

    culture of coruption…or something like that.

  4. #4
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:31 pm, Marie said:

    Not only do I want this guy removed, I want his vote on the stimulous bill revoked – cancelled – removed.

  5. #5
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, Marie said:

    GUESS THIS STIMULOUS MESS WASN’T TO URGENT AFTER ALL WITH OBAMA TAKING OFF FOR THE WEEKEND – GONNA SIGN IT ON TUESDAY???

  6. #6
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Marie said:

    YES I AM SHOUTING!!!!

  7. #7
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, backwoods conservative said:

    “It’s deja vu all over again.”

    Yogi Berra

  8. #8
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm, zorro said:

    The corrupt liar is on now.

    You know what, these stupid democraps should be barred from using the word “honor“. He (they) wouldn’t know the true meaning of honor if it slapped them in the face. What a lying crap-weasel!

  9. #9
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, Laree said:

    I sincerely hope Mr Burris’ sing voice is in good shape. Calling Mr Fitzgerald.

  10. #10
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, Marie said:

    He’s trying but he ain’t no Fred Astaire!!

  11. #11
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, Marie said:

    Oh oh, getting testy!!

  12. #12
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:52 pm, jsmiddleton4 said:

    The good news is these kinds of fiascos will led to special elections for vacant positions instead of governor appointments.

  13. #13
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, zorro said:

    Liar or fool? You decide:

    How about lying fool?

  14. #14
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, jencab said:

    Reminds me of the song “Chain of fools.”

  15. #15
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, torabora said:

    Who’s complaining?

    The guy is a purrrfect replacement for duh1!

  16. #16
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, Marie said:

    There you go – Republicans are at fault !

  17. #17
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, torabora said:

    When is Letterman gonna have Burris on?

  18. #18
    On February 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, zorro said:

    And this is all a reflection of Dear Leader. Chicago thug politics comes to Washington.

  19. #19
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm, nbarry said:

    From time immemorial, politicians have suffered convenient memory lapses when they have done something not kosher. Here we go again.

  20. #20
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:07 pm, bjc said:

    *In Chicago politics, dirty is as dirty does, and they have given us P-BO and his minions to lay waste to the rest of the country; Thanks Chicago!
    *Is there any integrity at all to these politicians coming out of Chicago?; Whatever happened to the Everett Dirksen’s of Illinois?

  21. #21
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm, love2rumba said:

    Its good to see some Republicans finally shaking off their Obama glasses of bipartisanship…perhaps they will get brains too!

  22. #22
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:12 pm, bjc said:

    *Chicago, the mistake by the lake, seen as some as the rectal orafice of politics, sending out a little pinch once in a while to dirty up D.C. more than it already is.

  23. #23
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:16 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Liberals condemnation in 5…4…3…

    RIGHT! Probability wise, life could start on the moon first.

  24. #24
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:21 pm, beenthere said:

    It’s difficult to get excited about this though it does provide some amusement value and that is a good thing. Seriously, if the black liberal senator in illinois resigns, he will simply be replaced by another, because this seat is now, thanks to Obama, an entitlement seat — only black liberals need apply (this would be true even if the current governor were a “republican.”) Maybe they should have gone with Oprah as the first choice.

    Note: At some future date the seat might be open to all non-white liberals, however.

  25. #25
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:22 pm, bradley said:

    The top Republican in the Illinois Senate just said on Fox News that Burris “filled out some affidavit and sent it to the head of the Democrat party in Illinois who buried it for him.”
    Transparency continues in Illinois, Land of HopenchangeTM.
    Why any of this BS is a surprise to ANYONE is beyond me. It’s CHICAGO for God’s sake. Land of HopenchangeTM.

  26. #26
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:24 pm, bradley said:

    It’s Bush’s fault.

  27. #27
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:29 pm, et said:

    This guy is the former Attorney General of Ill-in-noise. He has no defense. He obtained a U.S. senate seat by fraudulent means and he knows it.

    It now seems like every politician in or from Ill-in-noise is a corrupt weasel. Investigate them all, impanel enough Grand Juries pretty soon there will be full employment in the state. Thats my kind of stimulus bill.

  28. #28
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, alaskangrizzly said:

    Liar or fool? You decide:

    Is typical lying Democrat who also happens to be a fool an option? :P

  29. #29
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:44 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    So how did this guy miss getting an appointment to the Obama cabinet?

  30. #30
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:52 pm, Freddy said:

    PKAmmoTroop said:

    So how did this guy miss getting an appointment to the Obama cabinet?

    … well, there is always secretary of commerce!

  31. #31
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    If it gets her off TV, and stops her mission of the dumbing and wimping down of America, Okrah Winfrey for Senator sounds fine by me…

  32. #32
    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:57 pm, Speakup said:

    Hilarious.

    Drag’em all out into the sunlight.

    Democrats is as Corruptocrats does.

  33. #33
    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:07 pm, mikeg said:

    Bradley #26

    you beat me to it!!!

  34. #34
    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:11 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Yea, she probably has less baggage than these sleaze bags do. However, as a senator she would have a whole lot more media time and it will be more difficult to tune her out.

    BTW Chappie, whats kind of spin can you put on this for us? You being a lawyer and such.

  35. #35
    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:25 pm, Freddy said:

    Now it all makes sense!!!

    They were gonna need a fourth rino to pass that gen theft act if they had waited until this came out.

  36. #36
    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, L.N. Smithee said:
  37. #37
    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:44 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Let’s see, Democrat senator lies, probably perjures himself, cheats, keeps his 6-figure job.

    He’s ready to be promoted to a committee chairmanship!

    That’s the Democrat way!

  38. #38
    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:53 pm, sbw999 said:

    Im 49 years old, and Im wondering: is it me, or does it seem that it is now rare to find a politician that isn’t a dishonest, self-interested scumbag anymore? I don’t remember seeing anything like this before, to this degree, in my adult lifetime.

  39. #39
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:00 pm, hadsil said:

    If a Democrat loses the media, put a fork in him. He’s done.

  40. #40
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:15 pm, L.N. Smithee said:

    On February 15th, 2009 at 5:54 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    If it gets her off TV, and stops her mission of the dumbing and wimping down of America, Okrah Winfrey for Senator sounds fine by me…

    First of all, it’s not “Okrah,” it’s “Orca.” ;)

    Second — nahtgonnappen. Oprah lives in her own world. She has CEO-class wealth, adoring-to-maniacal fans, and she is basking in the glory of sharing credit (or, IMHO, the blame) for Barack Obama being elected President. Not only would she have to take a huge pay cut, she would actually have to enter venues in which she has no control. She used to have a Donahue-style show in which she would run up and down the aisles with a microphone to get questions to an onstage panel or guest. Those days are long gone — nobody from the audience speaks unless they’re asked, and the only person whose opinion matters is hers.

    She has a distaste for conservatism in general and as I noted in my blog last September, allows no black conservatives on her program, evidenced by her non-denial that Justice Clarence Thomas was “blocked” from appearing on the show when his autobiography was released. There are no Republicans in her world — not serious ones, anyway — looking from the outside. Going to Washington would mean having to deal with people who are not worshipful of her, and she don’t play that. Remember when she was told she couldn’t shop at Hermes in Paris after closing time and she attributed to her being black?

    Rather than stopping the dumbing and wimping down of America, putting Oprah among 100 elite legislators would accelerate it. There’s no reason to believe she would be different than she is now. We’ve already due for one TV doofus to be in the Senate (Al Franken). Why would you want to double our trouble by making her seem like potential Presidential material?

  41. #41
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:20 pm, fred5676 said:

    Any bets that, even if he resigns or gets dumped, he gets to keep his LIFETIME full-salary U.S. Senator’s pension???

    Not bad pay for a few days’ work.

  42. #42
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:22 pm, chapoutier said:

    sighhhhh……

    He needs to go.

    Special election are the only answer. I am willing to risk a Dem seat on this. And eliminate the power of governors to appoint permanently.

  43. #43
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:23 pm, PatriotRider said:

    Crapweasels all.

  44. #44
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:41 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Oh how nice for this to be revealed AFTER the Porkulous vote. Just when you thought that politics could not possibly get anymore slimy….

    What did Harry Reid know and when did he know it? What did Obama know and when did he know it? Was clotire possible for the Porkulous bill, because Obama, his staff, and/or Congressional Leaders surpressed the fact that Burris was dirty?

    Did this play a role in Reid’s sudden dropping all resistance to Burris’ appointment? They needed his vote quickly to ram Porkulous through.

    Time to expand Mr. Fitzgerald’s scope. Earth to Michael Steele, Jhn McCain, Eric Cantor, John Bohner et. all.

  45. #45
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:47 pm, joannmandolin said:

    Suckas!!

    Smoove B gave me his blessing n sh*t!!!

  46. #46
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:51 pm, Lindsay said:

    Sweeeet…Chicago politics on display for the world to finally see.

    Perhaps the MSM will finally wake up to the quality of Obama’s associates and nominees. Told ya so.

    His vote for the “stimulus” aka “national depression” should not be counted.

  47. #47
    On February 15th, 2009 at 7:52 pm, chapoutier said:

    Oh how nice for this to be revealed AFTER the Porkulous vote. Just when you thought that politics could not possibly get anymore slimy….

    Not for nothing, and I think Burris should be gone, but his vote on the stimulus would not have been an issue had Republicans not insisted on 60 votes when one senator who would vote aye is literally dying of brain cancer in Florida, not to mention making a guy who is attending his mother’s freaking funeral to come back to DC to vote. Real classy.

  48. #48
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:01 pm, Joy said:

    So Chap – Out of pity we are supposed to cave in to Socialism with Marxism on the horizon.

    Remember, it is the DEMS who needed the vote, FAST FAST FAST. This one’s on YOUR guys.

  49. #49
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:03 pm, Joy said:

    Come’on Chap – Let’s hear you blame Reid and Pelosi (so she could leave on her trip to Rome) who had to vote NOW NOW NOW .

    Intellectual honesty Chap… come’on, you can do it.

  50. #50
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:04 pm, WisCon said:

    Another lying Democrat.

  51. #51
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:05 pm, chapoutier said:

    So Chap – Out of pity we are supposed to cave in to Socialism with Marxism on the horizon.

    Remember, it is the DEMS who needed the vote, FAST FAST FAST. This one’s on YOUR guys.

    Please. Its not pity. Its accepting your side has lost (both in the election and on this bill) and not making a guy with brain cancer and one grieving over a dead mother vote to slavishly follow some parliamentary procedure.

    But I agree in one aspect, this is on the Dems. We will see how it turns out.

  52. #52
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:08 pm, chapoutier said:

    Intellectual honesty Chap… come’on, you can do it.

    Do you intellectually honestly believe that the bill had 61 Senators that supported it?

  53. #53
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:11 pm, cwbois said:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but isnt Chap a Lawyer and as they say skunks tend to hang with their kind.

  54. #54
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm, ThatSamIAm said:

    Burris – Blago – Obama.

    Chicago politics at it’s best. No lie is too big. No crooked action is too big. No fraud is too big.

    Everything these “people” say is a lie. They are not capable of speaking the truth on any subject. They are the face of every soclialist progressive liberal in America along with Pelosi, Reid and Schumer and Kennedy.

  55. #55
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm, Flyoverman said:

    Not for nothing, and I think Burris should be gone, but his vote on the stimulus would not have been an issue had Republicans not insisted on 60 votes when one senator who would vote aye is literally dying of brain cancer in Florida, not to mention making a guy who is attending his mother’s freaking funeral to come back to DC to vote. Real classy.

    Excuse me?

    1) The Constituton and rules of the Senate, call for 60 votes. This is our country, not a game of checkers.

    2) The Senator “dying of brain cancer” has chosen to remain in office. I would think you would support the Senator’s right to choose. His condition was known in the Fall of 2008. He has not resigned. He is therefore assumed to be capable of meeting the demands of the office. If he is not he should be faithful to his oath and resign.

    3) I agree recalling the Senator from his mother’s wake was despicable. Who demanded the Friday vote? Certainly no Republicans. It was “SO CRITICAL” that immediately following the vote, the President left for a three day holiday and will let it SIT FOR FOUR DAYS, so the President can hold another selfindulgent spectacular.

    It just HAD to be voted on Friday and you d@@#@#ed well know why…

    Only a lawyer would have attempted that defense.

  56. #56
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:12 pm, chapoutier said:

    Correct me if I’m wrong but isnt Chap a Lawyer and as they say skunks tend to hang with their kind.

    Wow. You are totally the first person to ever point out and mock the fact that I am a lawyer (we will ignore the fact that I am a lawyer that helps rich people keep more of their money from the government, the kind Republicans tend to like).

    Kudos, sir. Kudos.

  57. #57
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:13 pm, rowsdower said:

    Everyone here is a racist and Michelle Malkin snacks on Chihuahuas.This is a test of the MM hate mail system.

  58. #58
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:14 pm, cwbois said:

    So Chap you mean the kind that help Obama’s cabinet appointments keep their money from the government, well the kudo’s to you as well.

  59. #59
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:15 pm, Joy said:

    Turns out it did. Until the vote is done, it’s not done.

    So if two sides go into battle and one side sees the other outnumbers them, they shouldn’t try to fight? There was always a small chance that one Blue Dog Dem or one of the turncoat RINOs might have changed their minds.

    Also, remember that 80% of the population was against this. The Dems even ignored their own constituants on this.

    And was giving up and giving in on Bush’s SCOTUS appointments your advice to Reid? Were you arguing that they should be allowed an up or down vote when we all knew they’d get confirmed if they were simply allowed a vote?

  60. #60
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:17 pm, chapoutier said:

    1) The Constituton and rules of the Senate, call for 60 votes. This is our country, not a game of checkers.

    You are only right about one of those. And nothing changes the fact that there were 61 senators who supported that bill. 61. 61. 61.

    It was “SO CRITICAL” that immediately following the vote, the President left for a three day holiday and will let it SIT FOR FOUR DAYS, so the President can hold another selfindulgent spectacular.

    You may have missed the fact that Congress was scheduled for a recess starting this week. So when the President chooses to sign it is irrelevant.

  61. #61
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:19 pm, Joy said:

    Ohhhhhhhhh, so the Dems had to get the guy back from his mother’s wake so they could go on vacation…….. now I see.

    Classy, real classy.

  62. #62
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    So Chap you mean the kind that help Obama’s cabinet appointments keep their money from the government, well the kudo’s to you as well.

    Nope. I mean helping people avoid nasty thing you people like to call a “death tax” as well as structuring business deals so as to legally minimize tax consequences.

  63. #63
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:22 pm, puhiawa said:

    Well he has the monument already, so now he is digging the grave.

  64. #64
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:24 pm, 3Angela said:

    Does he get points for not having any money in his freezer?

  65. #65
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:25 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    That’s okay. If Burris is too corrupt to serve in the Senate there is always room for him in Obambi’s cabinet.

    Remember when we thought the Clintons were the epitome of sleaze and corruption? We ain’t seen nothing yet.

  66. #66
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:26 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Sorry Darlin’ but such questions as liar or fool or talk of resignation, perjury probe is too strong in this case. After all he is from *Chicago, the mistake by the lake and not much more should be expected of him. That City glories in it’s corruption.

    And Old Chap as far as one Senator having cancer and another losing his mother–isn’t that a bit much?
    Rules of the Senate are Rules of the Senate and life goes on. I lost my mother years ago and have had cancer-still might; Life Goes On. The emotional is for Day Time TV.

  67. #67
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:28 pm, chapoutier said:

    Also, remember that 80% of the population was against this.

    Please link this absurd statistic. Because Gallup had the latest support at 59% for (33% against). Rasmussen has 44% for (40% against.)

  68. #68
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    Rules of the Senate are Rules of the Senate and life goes on.

    If someone else knows Senate rules better, feel free to correct me, but there is no rule saying 60 votes are necessary to pass a bill. 60 votes are necessary to invoke cloture, which only occurs if the other side is threatening filibuster. If there is no filibuster (or threat thereof) then the 60 vote threshold does not apply.

    I lost my mother years ago and have had cancer-still might; Life Goes On.

    Indeed it does. Life does go on. But I am curious…Did you go to work the day of your mom’s funeral?

  69. #69
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:35 pm, Flyoverman said:

    You may have missed the fact that Congress was scheduled for a recess starting this week. So when the President chooses to sign it is irrelevant.

    61? Correct you were the one whining about Democrats being jerked around.

    Oh I see, we have to vote on an 800 BILLION dollar piece of legislation so quickly we have to vote on it Friday UNREAD BY EVERYONE so the Congress, which was in session 88 days last year could on recess?

    This is to save us from an economic situation that may be irreversible if we do not act NOW; not my words, but the Dear Leader’s himself?

    So what’s more important Chap; to make sure this piece of legislation is sufficently vetted because it is deemed critical to the economic survival of the country or to throw a dart in a big hurry so we do not miss our recess?

    Thank God these people were not in office when Pearl Harbor got hit.

  70. #70
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:41 pm, chapoutier said:

    So what’s more important Chap; to make sure this piece of legislation is sufficently vetted because it is deemed critical to the economic survival of the country or to throw a dart in a big hurry so we do not miss our recess?

    So is that why all those Republicans didn’t vote for it? Just not enought time to take it all in? Had they had a few more days to read it they may have jumped right on board?

    Right….

    And in any case, it is a myth that they had to somehow read 1000 plus pages in the matter of a day or two. The vast majority of that bill was written and debated well before it went to committee.

  71. #71
    On February 15th, 2009 at 8:51 pm, Flyoverman said:

    it is a myth that they had to somehow read 1000 plus pages in the matter of a day or two.

    Give me the right staff with 72 hours and I sure can. Been there, done that! Regardless should you not understand to some degree what the hell you’re voting on if it is 800 BILLION dollars that ultimately costs 3.27 TRILLION? I want my Cngeessman and Senators to be more than lemmings.

    The vast majority of that bill was written and debated well before it went to committeecommittee.

    Yes and by whom? 1,391 pages did not magically appear on January 20th at 12:01 p.m. EST. This thing had been in the works for months and given how much time to review?

  72. #72
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:04 pm, Flyoverman said:

    So is that why all those Republicans didn’t vote for it? Just not enought time to take it all in? Had they had a few more days to read it they may have jumped right on board?

    Actually, you should ask how many Democrats would have jumped ship, if their constituents had learned the details of the legislation?

    No representative should vote on something this critical when they do not understand its contents. It’s COUNTRY NOT PARTY.

  73. #73
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:06 pm, Send_Me said:

    Yep, that’s my state… Well, Chicago anyway. The rest of my state, with the exceptions of Springfield and East Saint Louis, are great. At least Burris hasn’t given speeches on the Senate floor comparing U.S. Servicemen with Pol Pot’s goons or Gulag guards. Oh wait, that was the other Illinois Senator… All this to say: Steve Sauerburg for Senate.

  74. #74
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:09 pm, fulldroolcup said:

    Not for nothing, and I think Burris should be gone, but his vote on the stimulus would not have been an issue had Republicans not insisted on 60 votes when one senator who would vote aye is literally dying of brain cancer in Florida, not to mention making a guy who is attending his mother’s freaking funeral to come back to DC to vote. Real classy.

    Any person who holds himself out as member of the bar, who comes along and tries to tell us the Senate Rules should be suspended “just because” some members cannot attend, is a goddamn charlatan no better than the Burris he “reluctantly” wants to see “go”.

    What the FRACK are rules for? Does Chap want to tell us that bending the rules is OK, as long as Dems are doing it, but Republicans lack “class” because they won’t??

    Kennedy is dying? Then he should RESIGN and let the Mass. governor appoint someone who is not terminally incapacitated.

    Some Senator’s got a funeral to attend? Postpone the frackin funeral. The guy’s mom isn’t going to mind.

    And FRACK YOU, Chapoutier.

  75. #75
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:12 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yes and by whom? 1,391 pages did not magically appear on January 20th at 12:01 p.m. EST. This thing had been in the works for months and given how much time to review?

    A bill that constituted the vast majority of the bill that came out of committee was posted here on January 15, 27 days before final passage.

    And on this site alone, there have been about 120 posts by MM about the stimulus bill and or its various provisions. But you want to tell me there wasn’t enough time and/or debate?

    Please.

  76. #76
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:14 pm, chapoutier said:

    What the FRACK are rules for? Does Chap want to tell us that bending the rules is OK, as long as Dems are doing it, but Republicans lack “class” because they won’t??

    You idiot. there is no rule that says that a bill has to pass by 60 votes. There is a rule that basically says that if the other sides insists, the proponents of the bill have to come up with 60 votes or risk filibuster. It is on the Republicans to insist upon that or not. And if they think the Dems don’t have the votes, by all means use it. But to insist upon it when it only serves to drag a Senator from his mother’s funeral is absurd and classless.

  77. #77
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm, chapoutier said:

    And where the eff did I say “reluctantly” about Burris?

    Do not lie about what I say. That too is classless.

  78. #78
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:18 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:
  79. #79
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:20 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

    That is classic!

    “Burris blames questioner for not asking specifically whether he spoke to Rob Blago.”

    Does anyone think the Holocaust-denying Cardinal Richard Williamson could get away with this?

    “Six million Jews were exterminated in WWII? Get out! Name them!”

    What a beaut. Case closed. Next!

  80. #80
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:24 pm, chapoutier said:

    30 Pieces. That bill came out of committee and was posted online (here too) on the 12th. He is not signing it until Tuesday the 17th.

    How many days is that?

  81. #81
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:26 pm, torabora said:

    chap…just WHO wrote and debated the bill before it came to a vote?

    Yeah, right…

  82. #82
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:30 pm, chapoutier said:

    chap…just WHO wrote and debated the bill before it came to a vote?

    Yeah, right…

    1)Members of Congress and 2)members of Congress and the public.

    I mean if not a soul had any idea what the bill contained prior to February 13, as many are making it seem like, then why do my eyes deceive me in seeing 120 posts, many about very specific provisions of the bill, on this very site?

  83. #83
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:33 pm, travlinman said:

    Speaking of sleaze, Obama’s administration (with help from all of the Dem leaders) has passed the Clinton’s during his first full month in office.
    Round and round she goes, where it stops, nobody knows! The arrogant ba$tard$ that are currently in power will end up too smart for their own good and their shell will crumble. Good thing Lady Justice is blind. She will soon be opening a great big can of whoop-a$$ and may just deliver it to some Beltway and Chicago folks who are badly in need of a healthy dose.

  84. #84
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:36 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    CHICAGO … Land of HopenchangeTM.

    Chicago… home of the Communist Party USA.

    Founded in Chicago in 1919, the Communist Party of the United States has an outstanding history in the struggles for peace, democratic rights, racial and gender equality, economic justice, union organization, and international solidarity. Our Party is organized on the principle of democratic centralism, combining maximum democratic discussion and decision-making with maximum unity of will and action, ensuring our ability to play a strong organizing role in the class struggle. We focus our efforts on increasing our ability to organize millions into struggle, fighting anti-communism as a divisive weapon of the capitalist class. With Marxism-Leninism guiding our actions, the Communist Party strives to build the broadest unity against global capitalist imperialism now headed by U.S. imperialism, for immediate gains and reforms that benefit working people, and for a progressive democratization of the government, the economy, and society of our country on the road to and after winning socialism.

    With pride in our past and confidence in our future, we hereby establish this Constitution of the Communist Party of the United States America.

  85. #85
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:40 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On February 15th, 2009 at 6:36 pm, L.N. Smithee said:

    All rise for our new national anthem…

    I thought this was the new national anthem…

  86. #86
    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:49 pm, 30 pcs of silver said:

    On February 15th, 2009 at 9:24 pm, chapoutier said:
    30 Pieces. That bill came out of committee and was posted online (here too) on the 12th. He is not signing it until Tuesday the 17th.

    How many days is that?

    Two of which are Saturday and Sunday. Monday is a holiday. Not exactly transparent but I digress.

  87. #87
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:01 pm, Flyoverman said:

    A bill that constituted the vast majority of the bill that came out of committee was posted here on January 15, 27 days before final passage.

    And on this site alone, there have been about 120 posts by MM about the stimulus bill and or its various provisions. But you want to tell me there wasn’t enough time and/or debate?

    Then why did Democrats admit they had not read the bill? Hmmmmmm

    Bottom line is we comment, but we do not vote on the bill. How many contact hours of debate occurred on this bill on the floor of the House and the Senate? How much time was spent by the conference committee? Given the size, complexity and the importance of the legislation was the time spent sufficient? Not by a long shot.

    Ask me if I am surprised? PLEASE….ask me. I have seen this since I was a youngster. 1964, we just HAD to have that Tonkin Gulf resolution right away,. Our national security depended on it. LBJ NEEEDED that resolution to save democracy.

    I have seen the Congress perform this stunt more times than Brett Farve started an NFL game. I heard all the drivel about Geithner’s importance and we need TARP now and it just takes me back…… 58,000 lives and 45 years later. Same behavior, same result.

    You do not have to tell me about the Congress’ ability to debate when they need to Chap. I have seen their results at graveside. Like I wrote earlier, this is not a game of checkers.

  88. #88
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:07 pm, Flyoverman said:

    I should point out that Democrats railed about Bush’s rush to war. With the Porkulous they rush it through and accept a similar risk with our entire economy? So why was Bush reckless and this wasn’t?

  89. #89
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:08 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Hugo Chavez wins election to be dictator for life.

    How Obama will overturn the racist, sexist and homophobic 22nd Amendment, I don’t know yet.

    He may just have to endorse Michelle Obama in 2016, and maybe by 2024, the Demonrats will control enough of the 51 states (Obama’s 57 gaffe- was he thinking of two senators for the District of Columbia?) to repeal the 22nd Amendment.

    I don’t think he can get it through by 2016, but I could be wrong.

  90. #90
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:13 pm, Wellsy said:

    Not for nothing, and I think Burris should be gone, but his vote on the stimulus would not have been an issue had Republicans not insisted on 60 votes when one senator who would vote aye is literally dying of brain cancer in Florida, not to mention making a guy who is attending his mother’s freaking funeral to come back to DC to vote. Real classy.

    So now you’re reducing an entire ideological debate over economic and spending philosophies to the mean ol’ Republicans just wanted to be asses to Kennedy and Brown. Come on, Chaps, you’re better than this. You have some hard-won credibility with some folks around here, myself included, and it didn’t come from making nonsensical half-assed emotional arguments like this.

    Oh, and I know you made fun of Joy for her 80% disapproval remark, but you completely ignored her rhetorical question for why the Republicans didn’t just roll over:

    So if two sides go into battle and one side sees the other outnumbers them, they shouldn’t try to fight? There was always a small chance that one Blue Dog Dem or one of the turncoat RINOs might have changed their minds.

    And was giving up and giving in on Bush’s SCOTUS appointments your advice to Reid? Were you arguing that they should be allowed an up or down vote when we all knew they’d get confirmed if they were simply allowed a vote?

  91. #91
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:14 pm, MrScribbler said:

    All of these people — Burris, Blags and the rest — are Osama Obama’s tight peeps, some from back in his “community organizer” days.

    There is no way on God’s green earth that he could have hung with them all these years without drinking his share from the cup of corruption.

    It’s time to start the calls for his impeachment before it’s too late for our nation..

  92. #92
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:15 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Lady Justice isn’t really blind if a completely corrupt and godless political party, like the Dems, have the Executive and majorities in both houses of Congress.

    Obama can fire Fitzgerald if need be, but I’m not sure the need exists, I think Fitz is on Obama’s side. But even if he isn’t, he could be fired and the Dems wouldn’t think of complaining, and the Republicans have no oversite powers now.

    For now, appeals through the courts could conceivably still work, if Obama gets a fifth Marxist onto SCOTUS, its game, set and match for representative democracy in the USA.

    The Dems showed way back during the Clinton trial in the Senate that politics came ahead of upholding the law. BTW, the Treason Trio voted against conviction back then as well. They have been Demonratic spies in the GOP caucus for at least a decade now.

  93. #93
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:15 pm, rightisright said:

    chap, not being a lawyer myself, explain to me why there was a vote for cloture, 60 votes required by your words and the Constitution…dems had 61, are saying they didn’t need to vote again in order to make the bill law?
    I see your lawyering again, which I presume is normal being a lawyer…but laws and rules are to be followed…irregardless of the person problems involved as far as the congressional vote goes. Your trying to twist and turn this so the Repubs are the ones at fault…if a Senator or Rep. can’t get to Washington to vote for any reason, tuff noogies and that my friend applies to both sides of the aisle.

  94. #94
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:24 pm, Trollman said:

    MrScribbler said:

    There is no way on God’s green earth that he could have hung with them all these years without drinking his share from the cup of corruption.

    Sure he put the cup to his lips, but he didn’t take a sip.

    Kinda like how Clinton smoked without inhaling. ;)

  95. #95
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:26 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Reid controls the Senate. He couldn’t just schedule the vote on Porkulus for the following week when nobody was going to be at a funeral?

    (I know the answer- the huge rush was to ensure the more egregious elements didn’t get publicized and before home state opposition might sway one of the Treason Trio or one of the less radically Marxist senators.

  96. #96
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:30 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    The second Senate vote was on the bill approved with the markups added back on by the conference committee.

    With all the so called compromises supposedly needed to get the Treason Trio on board removed, and all the pork added back.

    The Nelson-Collins ‘compromise’ was a farce, the Treason Trio was always going to vote with their caucus in all but name, they just needed some cover to call it bipartisan.

    BTW, if Kennedy’s illness is serious enough he can’t attend to Senate business except in the most extreme cases, he should retire. If Princess Caroline moves now she may be able to establish Massachusetts residency fairly quickly.

    Maybe that is why the unrepentant DWI Killer is holding out and not retiring, come to think of it.

    Although I had heard he planned for the latest Mrs. Kennedy to inherit her rightful place in the House of Lords if he went off to answer for his crimes.

  97. #97
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:32 pm, Flyoverman said:

    (I know the answer- the huge rush was to ensure the more egregious elements didn’t get publicized and before home state opposition might sway one of the Treason Trio or one of the less radically Marxist senators.

    Ya think? ;)

  98. #98
    On February 15th, 2009 at 10:49 pm, RetFireman said:

    In other news, Satan himself met with President Obama and tempted him three times. however, since President Obama was completely free of Original Illinois Sin, he was able to resist the Dark Lord’s temptations and shun the devil and his advances.

    Yes, it sure is great to know Obama is the only politician to come out of Illinois who has nothing in his closet to hide. What a great messiah he is.

  99. #99
    On February 15th, 2009 at 11:05 pm, bjc said:

    *Senator Oprah Winfrey; S.O.W.; Yea, that’ll work. ;)

  100. #100
    On February 15th, 2009 at 11:14 pm, mikeg said:

    sorry chap but any bill that raises the national debt must pass by 60 votes

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