Green fact of the day
From reader Matthew R, who e-mails: “Obama will use as much energy in flight to CO as the museum’s solar panels can produce in 4 years.”
Thought you might find this interesting – according to the info I found on Boeing’s website and elsewhere, the 747-200 that operates as Air Force One uses anywhere from 5 to 7 gallons of fuel per mile, depending on how full it is. At roughly 1500 miles from DC to Denver, that’s at least 15,000 gallons of fuel round trip. There are 33.4 kilowatt hours of energy in a gallon of fuel, meaning this trip will use about 500,000 kilowatt hours of energy. According to the Denver Museum of Nature and Science’s own website, their solar installation has generated only 90,000 kilowatt hours of energy since it was installed last June!
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Don’t forget – the Pres travels with 3 747’s, not one. Tripple the numbers to get the real deal.
WOO HOO! First time first.
Yeah, isn’t this a little light? When you factor in the entire costs, it should be much higher than this.
Wouldn’t a teleconference or video do the same?
ya Know, if we are all supposed to sacrifice …
Imagine, all that energy expended for nothing more than a photo-op. What a shameful, duplicitous example for the administration to set for the nation, while at the same time preaching to us to “Go Green” and conserve energy!
But is any of us surprised anymore by the hypocrisy of our “enlightened betters” (Algore, ex-Sen. Edwards, et al) on this issue? At least Ed Begley Jr and Bill Nye, as we read in one of the comments in the MM Blog yesterday (sorry, I don’t remember by whom or on what thread) live the lives they’re advocating: that’s worthy of respect for their honesty.
What’s also curious is the President’s insistence on spending lots and lots of money (and carbon-based energy) to stay out of Washington after he fought so hard to get into his current position.
This is irrelevant. It’s how he feels about the environment that matters. The One is a good person who understands that humanity is a plague upon Gaia. It’s not his fault that no one ever produced a truly green way for the president to travel. He’s stuck with the Air Force 1 bequeathed to him by George Bush.
Really we should give him our sympathy for having to put up with something so awful. I’m sure it’s traumatic for him.
/mega sarcasm
you bastard republicans can’t judge us by results for god’s sake, we are doing the lord’s work helping the unfortunate among us. judge us solely by our charitable heart. we can think up trillions of good causes to spend your money upon. get in line and give us your wallet you greedy capitalist pigs.
You could have just stopped at: “This is irrelevant.”
SOUTHCOAST: are you a global warming/change/whatever it is today denier????
2 Airforce 1’s and 3 Marine 1’s.
Irving, You put the sarc tag on your post, but in all honesty, I think he truly views the world this way.
You forgot there are one or two C-131 that carry his limo and Marine One also.
DOn’t worry…He will by carbon offsets from Al Bore with your money!
Methinks we have another ’swoop-n-poop’ troll.
Doesn’t AF1 get 2 F-16 escorts as well? More emissions! Buy land in Greenland or Newfoundland!
Didn’t forget them…just wasn’t sure if they took the support crafts or not.
If he wanted a solar panel photo op AND wanted to save a LOT of energy, he just needed to go to BP Solar in Frederick, MD. It’s a lot closer, he could go by motorcade or helicopter, and he could do it on the way to or from Camp David.
Oh, wait, BP = Big Oil and we can’t give any credit for anything to big oil!
Never Mind!
Not counting all the people who fly there to witness the signing or the cost of transporting the bill. Or the number of trees killed to print the damned thing.
Ummm…I was told there would be no math…
Is Southcoast one of those swooper-poopers?
Sorry…I wrote before I saw your post!
Perhaps those 747s have solar panels and wind turbines: After all BroBama will let the Earth Heal, Sea Levels to Drop and put Earth Friendly ash trays in the White House.
Just use DNC math.
1,2,3 … too big to fail.
You can’t campaign exclusively on the internet and television. Personal appearances are a must! Do you suppose the columns from the convention are still available?
Thanks a lot sonofdy, you apparently scared off southcoast already, I was hoping for some humor this morning!
HOLY BEJESUS!!! Did anyone else just see the mayor of Lansing MI go off on Fox News????
He had a couple of good points, but good god, hes a dyed in the wool Union guy and is the downfall of the American car industry.
Fox made the point that GM loses $2000 per car and the mayor’s reply was ‘You’re not going to make me feel guilty for reaping the benefits of what the UAW has extracted out of GM or for me having straight teeth….’
Hmmmm, world crumbling, auto industry dying and you have straight teeth….
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Thats the epitome of arrogant, selfish Americans right there.
I thought I couldnt loath anything more than California, but after that guy, I may have a new contender.
Remember, he’s DUH ONE! He can’t be expected to abide by the same rules as the rest of us poor crawling worms.
Maybe he should car pool with Prince Charles.
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(Reference to Prince Charles flying to S.Amercia to lecture them on being Green. Thats kinda like Clinton going to Africa to lecture them on Abstinence.
C’mon, your picking on Virg Bernero (D) of Lansing,MI City motto is ” Leading the Way ” heh…heh…
What if he borrowed one of Richard Branson’s hot air balloons and travelled to Denver that way?
Of course, he’d have to take the scenic route because of those pesky mid-latitude Westerlies.
This wasn’t really as big a waste as taking AF1 to a Democrat conference in Virginia a couple of weeks ago, a little over 100 miles each way.
But he won, and has been annointed and crowned as the Chosen One of Soros.
I didn’t realize there were time guidelines to comment. At least I now know who the poop time keepers are.
I’m not real clear as to what you are asking. I’ll drink some coffee and maybe you can clarify it for me. Thanks.
Hannity, Rush, Dobbs, and O’Reilly need to have this little factoid.
ConocoPhilips is building a huge green research/training facility up close to Boulder that is just getting started on construction and the Univeristy of Colorado is a major green research school.
And there are tons of government/space/military facilities here too. NREL (National Renewable Eneregy Lab), NCAR (National Center for Atmospheric Research, NIST (atomic clock), Ball Aerospace, LockheedMartin, etc
Colorado is about to explode in green money.
Some day the fact CO2 is NOT a green house gas will come out…
O, Eternal, who shall dwell in the temple of Thy grace?
Who shall, on Thy holy hill, have a fixed abiding place?
He who walks in righteousness, all his actions just and clear…
He whose words the truth express–spoken from a heart sincere….
So, no one in DC, right?
Along the same lines, does anyone know if The Pelosi flew to Italy using her govn’t supplied aircraft? Several other dems were traveling with her so I assume they did.
Don’t know about you but when I got a new job I didn’t get a vacation for at least a year, and no medical for 90 days.
What makes you think my comment was with regard to you, southcoast?
Simmer.
“Help, the brownshirts have come and taken me to a reeducation camp. You’ll never hear me speak badly of the One again.”
But the 767 is instantly available, please read your employee handbook more carefully…
lol, jeez he looked like he was 14 but then all of a sudden I was hit with someone auditioning for a Hollywood casting call…
I kept waiting for him break character and say ‘Da Bears’
You people are so mean – if he racks up enough frequent flier miles, he’ll get to go to Italy with Pelosi next time to see the ancient ruins. Of course, once you get to Italy there are ancient ruins there too!
(rimshot)….
southcoast: If i have to explain it…
ALRIIGGHHHTTT
You said “This is irrelevant.” when talking about obamas greenhouse gas use to sign the bill in Denver. I asked if that was because you deny that the global warming thing is a problem.
This:
Thank you, thank you, thank you very much, I’ll be here all week. Be sure to tip your waitresses. And now its ‘Candy’ on the center stage…
Michelle,
It’s worse than that. President O has likely added water vapor to our atmosphere…the number one contributor to global warming.
(FYI: Exhaust contrails usually occur at above 26,000 feet. where the temperature is below -40°C.)
This sounds pretty high. Think of a car going 65m/h. It probably takes a KW of power (guess). It certainly does not go 33 hours on one gallon. Yes, jet fuel has more energy per gallon than car gasoline, but that much more?
What’s the reference for this figure?
Well craig, we need to ban dihyrdogen monoxide right away!!! Its corosive and is the chemical that kills the most people every year!!! It is even eroding the mountians!!!
AARRRGGHHHH!!!!
Not even close. When the president travels, it involves far more than Air Force One. There are actually two identical 747Bs that make every trip, the second as a decoy and backup. In addition, there are at least three military transports that carry the presidential limo, staff vehicles and secret service escort vehicles, and often the presidential helicopters. (also at least two) In some cases, fighter escorts are also provided.
The exact cost is kept secret for security reasons, but conservative estimates are $40,000/hour, just for actual time in the air. Plus Marine One to/from the airports, disruption of commercial air operations, preparation, planning, layovers on the ground, local security and traffic…etc. etc. etc.
So in addition to the massive energy consumption and carbon emmission not-so-green hypocrasy, lets lets talk reality. He’s spending millions to go to Denver to sign a massive deficit spending bill, that will not stimulate anything.
I’m embracing hope & change. God, I hope he changes.
pfffttt! Chump change if it’s for our illustrious leader.
Apparently global warming is a problem. That said, I don’t understand the outrage directed towards President Obama simply because of the cost of a presidential trip. Seems that all presidents travel this way….who knew. If you would like to debate the environmental or energy policies of this or any other administration, I’m fine with that, but the outrage over the presidents plane, car, menu selections is……silly. I don’t recall the outrage here over the Bush administrations orders for expanding gov. fleets with alt. energy/hybrid/plug in vehicles (souped of golf carts to some) in the 2007 EX Order 13423. Or any mention of the cost of the trip to tour a solar plant in Arizona after signing the order. The only time I would whine about the cost of presidential travel is when an incumbent has that cost paid by taxpayers during an election campaign such as the ” visited the factory/grade school then attended the fund raiser trick”. But what can you do.
I don’t mean to swoop n poop (do I have to scoop), but I gotta run now.
Any guesses what the thermostat on SAM28000 is set to?
(Calling Air Force One SAM28000 is about as evil as a USAF vet can get – Air Force One carries the president. SAM28000 is the same plane, just not loaded with a legitimate POTUS)
Southcoast…one of the most important clues that someone is a swooper-pooper is they say something dumb, then don’t answer any posts that pertain to the dumb comment. Now that you have answered with another dumb comment, you definitely qualify. If you have nothing of any substance to say, please leave.
Not according to noaa or nasa who both say the planet is COOLING.
Another typical liberal tactic. In lieu of any debating skills, just pull out the “but Bush did it” argument. Nice.
Ok, we diffinitely have to cut ‘Bambi some slack here…if you shared your office and home with your wife, two kids and your mudderinlaw you’d use any excuse to get out of there too – pollution and green house gases be danged.
Yes, all the evidence is pointing to the fact that we are now in a global cooling period. You know, that old “cyclical warming and cooling of the earth thing”. Apparently, the true facts take about a year or so to sink in to the liberal’s thick skulls.
Elitist snobs don’t say “dang”. They may use the French word, whatever that is.
Hahahahaha.
OK, let’s use this – probably good enough.
Jet fuel is in the middle between cheapie gas and premium.
Then go here and check the first two answers.
You do let your students Google their answers don’t you? I’ll leave it to experts to debate whether this is actually correct…
They say “dang-e” with a limp wrist.
Look
lgm is trying to do math.
They grow up sooooo fast.
Even editorialists in Denver are unsure about Obama’s go-green plans. While counting on their new-age savior, they just wish him luck.
Why??? Why is it a problem???? Im still missing why we think “Global Warming” is a problem.
The temp is going to rise 1-10 degrees in 100 years… so what? I have my thermostat in my house set at 76 right now and I’ll turn it down to 68 after a while. (OMG Im going to DIE today!!)
The sea levels are going to rise 20 ft…. so what? Welcome to New Orleans, Venice and Atlantis. Lets just call the world a future massive public works project to build dikes. Or I have a better idea. QUIT BUILDING 10 FEET FROM THE OCEAN!
The world is turning into a desert…. so what? They built Las Vegas and Dubai in the friggin desert!
Problems are just opportunites that arent profitable to fix yet.
Couldn’t he just send them a congrats on his verboten Blackberry? Save all us tax payers a little cash.
True dat… and Digital Signatures have been legally valid for YEARS
You are correct – guess. But unfortunately for you a Bad guess. Please leave the engineering to engineers.
Alohaguy and b-cat
The French word(s) for danged traslate to “I’m going to die if I don’t get a cigarette soon, where’ AF1?”
Well, ain’t that the point? The One is supposed to be different, remember? Change we can beieve in? Signing the crap sandwich in Denver is hypocritical on so many levels…
Ungreenness – Would save energy and carbon emissions to just sign it at home
Waste – Could save taxpayers millions by just signing it in his overheated house.
Corporate Execs may not use private jets…
Change or “just words”? The more things change, the more they remain…insane!
Just as a FWIW – he’s been flying all over the country this week – AF-1 runs ~ $64,000.00/hour to fly …………………. he brings along his own motorcade, doncha know? A friend of mine has some info ……………….
Semper Fi’
DM
Swede, you are so right! Our esteemed leader could have set a great example of everything he is preaching about if he just stayed home and signed it on-site! His hypocrisy is astounding…and very transparent.
And by the way, I am more upset about his little foray into Chicago for Valentine’s Day. That was disgusting! To say nothing of all of the customer’s “romantic” dinners he destroyed by showing up.
LGM, how can you make any valid argument on a “guess”? Do you just “guess” that global warming is real? Do you just “guess” on all your other comments?
If Obama travels by jet instead of donkey, how can we wave the palm branches and lay them at his feet?
You will be watched to ensure you do anyway as he flys over.
We need a smilie with a black hat and sunglasses.
Thanks, AlohaGuy. I figured someone here would know.
Keep pounding away at these AGW wealth re-distributors! I’ve found one topic that they absolutely HATE so they never address it and ALWAYS try to change the subject with their ‘climate change’ subterfuge. The topic is the simple relationship between CO2 and plant life. They just cannot get around the established scientific fact that almost any plant you wish to choose THRIVES on having more CO2. For almost a century, greenhouse operators have know that and boost CO2 in their greenhouses to speed up growth of crops from tomatoes to flowers.
Surprisingly, even in Wikipedia, they mention the fact that:
(emphasis mine)
That’s right folks, the TRUTH is that our atmosphere really is CO2 IMPOVERISHED!
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Plants, many of which first evolved when CO2 was 5X to 15X higher than now, have been hanging on trying to survive with barely enough CO2 to keep them going for the last few thousands of years and here come these self appointed ‘green’ liberals trying to give them … even LESS of what they need!
This is NOT some scientific theory like AGW, it is not based on some lame ‘consensus’ of government paid hacks, it isn’t a lame trend line on some hack’s undisclosed computer model – it is just a FACT. … a fact liberal AGW nut cases would rather not hear anyone talking about because it totally ANNIHILATES their ~argument~ that CO2 is some sort of pollution.
So… KEEP CONFRONTING THEM WITH IT!
It’s pointless trying to have a rational discussion with this clownish pom-pom girl cheerleader for the socialists.
My college physics was more than 35 years ago, but I still understand that the amount of power “an” automobile requires to go 65mph depends, for starters, on the vehicle’s weight(mass) and cargo load, and the grade of the road, not to mention the amount of friction between moving parts, the combustion efficiency of the engine, etc.
But our clown troll – a mathematics teacher, no less (God help his poor students) – just pulls a guess out of his ***, and posts.
Self PWNE-age is the best!
um, no, I didn’t write that, southcoast—-trust in allah, but tie up your camel…
and all that, without taking into consideration, if you’re swerving to avoid lgm on his bicycle pulling a cart of bran muffins, granite.
Sigh, I know. Speaking of weather, we have gotten over 7 feet of snow in the past week, and an additional 3 feet today. So, anyone complaining and whining about global warming, etc., is more than welcome to come and visit me.
And NO, this is not unusual…actually it’s normal — I’m at 7000 elevation in the mountains.
So……….if we were having global warming, I wouldn’t see any of this normal snow now, would I?
1KW is about 1.34 HP. Say that going 65MPH requires 55 HP in a full size car. That’s about 40KW.
so…
That is high; maybe it’s the total energy in gasoline? IC engines produce a lot of heat; the real mechanical output is probably closer to 10 KW-HR per gallon. So that’s about 4 gallons of gasoline needed per hour at 65 MPH. So one tank of 16 gallons gets you about 260 miles. That’s seems to be close to what I experience going cross country in my Crown Vic.
When they grounded all flights after 9/11, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the sky so blue.
The sky over my house that afternoon was stunningly blue, interrupted by the B-2s flying overhead…
I wonder how far would I get if ran on oil rendered from a slippery character like lgm? (render him like an Emu!)
How long before Obama, himself, is asking for an increase in the White House operating expense/entertainment budget?
Anyone?
At a time when every household is cutting back, conserving, recycling, the First One is expanding his consumption, as is fitting, I guess, for His Majesty. A people’s leader cannot be seen, after all, as just a common man. He must be an example…a pillar…a greatness to be striven for by ordinary citizens!
1 kw (1.3 HP) would barely run a small small lawn mower and not even move most cars, unless we start driving what liberals would like us to. A car running at 65 mph would require more like 50kw at constant speed . Now, if we assume we can capture around 50% of that energy from gasoline, in one we hour we have
1 hr x [50 kw ÷ (33.4 kwh/gal x 0.50)] = 3.0 gallons
which is quite believable.
lgm & southcoast
Just want to thank you for being here. This would be way boring if we all agreed on everything. The banter makes it fun, and keeps us honest.
Having said that…get a clue.
The sky over my apartment building was hazy and stank of the fire raging at the Pentagon.
A car running at 50kw leaves Boston going west. Another car running at 60kw leaves Jacksonville headed north. How long will it take lgm to figure out they will never meet?
I don’t know why he didn’t take Amtrak. I thought he was a huge supporter of public transpertation!
From the missile launched from Bush’s private jet or Rove’s?
Chap,
Not a dig at you – sorry.
Well, chap, we get the B-2 sightings here in ’silo’ country…
The parents live there in Virginia & were traumatized by what happened at the Pentagon.
Plants are people too!
Save. The. Plants! Save. The. Plants! Everyone! Save. The. Plants!
The skies were empty except for the choppers flying between Twentynine Palms and Pendleton. Felt reassuring to know the Marines were on the move.
I love the smell of napalm in the morning
WOW, Obama is on the telly at the moment… His power tie is mesmerizing me.
In his speech intro did he really just say “And the best Vice President that we have had in a long time…”?
So, Im guessing Cheney and Obama arent hanging out in the same Country Club any more.