Nutroots suddenly hypersensitive about Nazi/president comparisons
For eight years, we’ve heard “Bushitler” invoked endlessly.
Again:
And again.
And again.
And again.
And again:
Now, the tables have been turned. Some folks are invoking Nazi allusions against Barack Obama.
I’ve pretty much stayed away from using such rhetoric against those with whom I disagree — especially having been on the receiving end of Nazi allusions myself countless times over the years.
Here, for example, is a typical Nazi caricature of me during a trip to Berkeley several years ago:
Whatever.
But now, get this.
The left-wing blogosphere is suddenly up in arms over the sight of others mimicking their over-the-top rhetoric of the past eight years. A protester who attended the Denver Pig Roast today had such a sign and asked for a picture with me. The nutroots are having vapors about it:
The sign says “No Obama” with the fascist symbol inside the “O.”
The Kossacks think I should be fired from my job (ha).
In Obama’s America, you see, swastikas wielded for political protest are not allowed to be used…
…for anything other than the “S” in Bushitler.
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Honestly, I seriously doubt she knew the guy had the picture. I think she is refusing to clarify because she deems it irrelevant to her point.
The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign (and yes, the many people on the left that did the same thing).
Weren’t you the one who a few days ago, called the commenters on a thread “nuts?”
I don’t recall you ever once mentioning that it was an “issue” when people on the left did this and worse.
LOL. But haven’t you noticed the Democrats are abjectly terrified of addressing the Obama-Hiter issue and the fact that they can’t take what they’ve dished out? Hence the desperate attempts to switch topics to Sarah or anying else other than Thier Barack-Fuhrer.
The trolls have lost what little entertainment value they one had. They are not only morons, but cowards.
Again, SO WHAT??? It is now completely acceptable to call your opposites nazis. On the very dailykos thread this one is based on they actualy called MM a nazi!!!
I would have used a hammer and sickle but it is his right to be as offensive as he wishes to be.
That’s when ya know you’ve really gone wobbly. Arlenspectoritus must be going around.
She does not have tax troubes. She’s not a Democratic cabinet nominee.
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am, chapoutier said:
MM, that was extremely poor judgement on your part if you were aware of the sign, for a couple of reasons:
Honestly, I seriously doubt she knew the guy had the picture. I think she is refusing to clarify because she deems it irrelevant to her point.
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I do, indeed, give her the benefit of the doubt; I dont necessarily believe she “proudly” posed with someone holding a swastica sign because she may not have known it was there until it was too late. It is relatively small, and may very well not have been visible to her from where she was at the time.
Hence the qualifier, “IF you were aware of the sign”.
If it were me in that position, I would feel a need to make it clear that I was unaware of the sign being in the picture until after it had been taken and published. Just sayin’.
“The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign”
But..but..sob..sniff..it’s says “Obama is Hitler”….sob..that’s not fair…sniff…
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:24 am, purplepeep said:
frostrt said:
I must agree with NYK and LGM on this issue.
That’s when ya know you’ve really gone wobbly. Arlenspectoritus must be going around.
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I know, I know, never thought I’d see the day.
What, pray tell, is the cure for “Arlenspectoritus”? Would a steady diet of Michelle and Ann Coulter’s books do the trick?
I don’t recall seeing any comments here by “frostrt” before this, so I’m not buying this whole “regretful conservative shaking his head in sorrow” routine.
Actually, you are wrong. I have found at least one occasion. I would link directly to it, but since you seem to have all my posts memorized, I will assume you know right where to look.
The hysteria over the symbol seems to stem from the fact that radicals have built this up to be the epitome of all things evil (and related to Pres. Bush). The fact this is happening at dKos is just funny.
Perhaps they feel it’s a trademark infringement? /sarc
I can recall times when Chap has spoken out about such lunacy, much as he just did in agreeing that it’s likely Michelle didn’t see the sign, let alone “proudly pose” with it.
I commend MM for staying away from any Obama-Nazi comparisons. I think it’s unfortunate that we even have to commend someone for that–it’s ridiculous to compare Obama to Hitler, just like it was ridiculous to compare Bush to Hitler.
I also agree that this is a pretty blatant example of hypocrisy by DailyKos. If they’re going to lower the level of discourse to ‘Bushitler, hee hee hee’, then they need to shut up when the tables turn.
I don’t think this means its acceptable for those on the Right to make Obama-Hitler comparisons, but I do think that DailyKos has lost any moral high ground to criticize the Right if they do so.
Again, you spout off something or another about comments/commenters that is absolutely wrong.
frostrt has posted here for a long time. Maybe you were too busy tracking all of my comments to notice.
Lol.
Now, what is it about your chronic dishonesty which leads me to call BS on that?
And I’m refering to both your claims here, including the absurd one that I’ve memorized your trollish comments.
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am, flenser said:
frostrt said:
I don’t recall seeing any comments here by “frostrt” before this, so I’m not buying this whole “regretful conservative shaking his head in sorrow” routine.
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I’ve been around. As far as thinking that me agreeing with NYK or LGM on this PARTICULAR issue makes me secretly as liberal on other issues as they are, that what YOU think.
I heartily disagree with them and with President Obama on many things. I’m just put off by the Nazi allusions no matter who they’re used on. And I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.
frostrt has been here a long time. He has his opinion. I disagree, but I am not going to hassle him about it.
obama = chimpy mchitler mao stalin.
In this case a little perception will do just fine; note – it’s not a “a swastica sign” as you’ve mistakenly cited it, it is a sign that, quite corectly, equates Obama with Nazi-like attributes. (e.g. do not question the demanding cult leader, just do what he says.)
But you did apparently miss the part where it wasn’t included in her W-2, which is supposed to include all taxable income from that source. In other words, it’s (apparently) a bureaucratic error, not tax evasion. But you go on ahead. Every time you try this moral equivalence game, your guys just look worse.
On the other hand, Chappie has a point on billing for per diem for meals at home. I don’t know of, nor have I seen any explanation for that.
This self-pitying persecution complex of yours is most unappealing. If I decide to start tracking your crappy comments, you won’t be in any doubt about it. I’ll link to them repeatedly.
You claim to recall that I have never made such a statement. What would be the reasonable basis for such a recollection unless you knew all of the comments I have made? Otherwise, you would just be talking out of your a$$.
And yes I did find a post. I wasted 5 minutes of my time. You can do the same, since you seem to care so much.
Been around probably as long as you have, flenser. Since we’ve seen more than one prominent conservative go shaky, it doesn’t surprise me when it occurs amongst us nobodys.
obama = chimpy mchitler, mao, stalin, pol pot, gengis khan, franco, mussilini, tito, king george III, atlia the hun, and the little guy with elevator shoes in north korea.
There is apparently a loophole in the state regs that allows her to do this. I do not claim it was illegal. Just odd and a bit hypocritical for someone claiming to be a reformer of government waste.
Yep, them Republicans love their swastikas.
Well said, purplepeep… I was typing out an exasperated response when I saw you had already addressed it swiftly and concisely.
Which I think is the point. It’s not okay…but the outrage from the left is rather…selective. It’s okay to call Bush “Hitler” but not okay when applied to Obama? What a double standard.
Ultimately, what it comes down to is this: a few years back, I worked for a radio station and met a few musicians. I had my picture taken with Jason Mraz. Does that mean I wholeheartedly endorse everything Mraz has said, done, or believes?
No.
It means I was a fan, working an event, and had an opportunity to have my picture taken with him. Period. Nothing more. Although – to this day – I do remember his cologne smelled really good…
It seems blindingly obvious then you care a great deal more then I do, doesn’t it? In spite of your idiotic protestations to the contrary.
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am, purplepeep said:
frostrt said:
What, pray tell, is the cure for “Arlenspectoritus”? Would a steady diet of Michelle and Ann Coulter’s books do the trick?
In this case a little perception will do just fine; note – it’s not a “a swastica sign” as you’ve mistakenly cited it, it is a sign that, quite corectly, equates Obama with Nazi-like attributes. (e.g. do not question the demanding cult leader, just do what he says.)
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Your point is taken; I still think it’s no more appropriate now than when it was done to Bush.
I will agree that his reaction to Rush is a bit extreme and if the Fairness Doctrine goes through on his watch, he will have crossed the line into trying to silence dissent.
She “forgot” for a full 19 months that she was at home and not traveling when she took those per diems, which means mentally, things have taken a turn for the worse, I guess.
It’s not irrational and it’s not hatred. I just know that were this a story involving a Democrat, there would be numerous posts here about it and plenty of commenter grousing. But this is a right wing site; no one here pretends to play it down the middle. So, whatever.
Uh, sure.
Anyway, when I hear anyone call anyone who isn’t Hitler, “Hitler,” I usually make a mental note to tune that person out. I mean, even the most clichéd, lazy impersonation of a teenager only requires the use of the words “conceited” and “fascist” and “Hitler.” I just thought that was generally agreed upon in society.
Well, good to see this place never changes. Enjoy your day, all.
Yeah…I was the one that brought it up. Oh wait no! THAT WAS YOU!
But this from someone that doesn’t even know frostrt, who posts here every day, so powers of observation are clearly not your strong suit.
I think you’re wrong. I think Hitler comparisions are now the norm in every aspect of society. And I think that’s a good thing. Eventually that useless insult will be consigned to the scrap heap where it belongs.
This is a troll comment. Comments that do nothing but seek to antagonize without actually making a contribution to the discussion or deliberately changing the subject (e.g. Palin tax nonsequitor) is troll behavior.
Chap is not a troll. (So long as no one mentions the “Z” word.)
I try to read everyone’s posts and can vouch that FroStart has been here a long time and that, until now, I’ve agreed with most all of his points – they’ve always been conservative and right on the money!
BTW, with 17,000 additional troops being sent to Afghanistan isn’t more accurate to say Obama is Bush III?
The laziest, most intellectually bankrupt forms of debate or political expression:
1. Comparing a modern day, major, American political leader to Hitler.
It says so much about the speaker. It’s over the top, corny, and weak on every level. Only a true loser would make this totally insensitive comparison. Hey Englishqueen, that goes for Liberals too.
2. Name calling.
We all do it, some more than others, I’m certainly guilty as well. It is what it is, but it’s lame.
3. Making fun of a grammatical, or spelling mistakes.
(sup, Feebiebabe?)
Nutz! …isn’t [it] more… .
Why is it that some conservatives are so determined to imitate behavior they find offensive? They’re offended when the President of the United States is called a Nazi, so they go out and do just that. They are offended that our enemies torture captives, so they do that too.
Hey, why not set an example by holding yourself to the standard you want others to follow?
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am, englishqueen01 said:
I heartily disagree with them and with President Obama on many things. I’m just put off by the Nazi allusions no matter who they’re used on. And I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.
Which I think is the point. It’s not okay…but the outrage from the left is rather…selective. It’s okay to call Bush “Hitler” but not okay when applied to Obama? What a double standard.
Ultimately, what it comes down to is this: a few years back, I worked for a radio station and met a few musicians. I had my picture taken with Jason Mraz. Does that mean I wholeheartedly endorse everything Mraz has said, done, or believes?
No.
It means I was a fan, working an event, and had an opportunity to have my picture taken with him. Period. Nothing more. Although – to this day – I do remember his cologne smelled really good…
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I certainly agree about the selective outrage; the far left doesn’t seem to care at all (with a few exceptions) if this is done to a President they don’t like. Dissent is not so “patriotic” when it is against a liberal President.
And, as I pointed out, I’m not even sure our hostess was aware of the sign until the photo had been taken and was already out there.
P.S.; You met Mraz? Cool!
Well, if it’s a “loophole” in state regs, that’s doublespeak for perfectly legal, if not proper. In other words, nyk trying to draw a parallel between that and Geithner or other Dem tax cheats is a rather long stretch. For that matter, the mortgage interest deduction is a “loophole”, as are most other deductions. I notice that it happened during her first days in office so maybe she was (here we go again) just doing what had been done by previous governors under the assumption that it was correct. The key point to be made here is that it was legal, and if it should have been taxed then it should have been included on the W-2, which makes it an administrative error, and not hers.
Sigh. frostrt, I’ve seen you here lots and know you’re only agreeing on this one point — and guessing not much else. Ignore the sorts of idiots who try to make that into a tacit shake with me on the entire Democratic platform. We both know that saying such a thing is just stupid and silly and a desperate plea for (even negative) attention.
Anywho — have a good day!
Did I say that you were the one who “brought it up”? I see that your reading comprehension has not improved in the slightest.
I pointed out that your vehement insistence that you did not care about the matter was belied by your vehement insistence, and by your “wasting” five minutes of your time searching for prior commens of yours.
And my intial claim still stands. Your phony indignation about Hitler comparisions is just that. Everything is a pose with you.
Then perhaps liberals should not initiate behavior they would prefer not be reflected back upon them? Just a suggestion -
I agree with all your points and mean no disrespect when I point out that your use of the comma here is incorrect.
…it was just funny to me given the irony.
My apologies if you felt loophole was derogatory. But, as far as my understanding is, Palin taking the per diem was the result of an unintended consequence of the language of the regulations.
But in any case, it is legal. I doubt there was much of a legitimate claim that it wasn’t taxable income, but it is certainly nothing like Geithner’s situation.
Allow me to repeat. Tell it to the Buddhists.
I know you’re a plant, but look who’s talking!
You’d think it’s head would explode from the sheer cognitive dissonance of writing these words.
Being a liberal consists of the ability to contain several mutually exclusive ideas in your head at the same time and never even notice it’s happening.
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am, flenser said:
I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.
I think you’re wrong. I think Hitler comparisions are now the norm in every aspect of society. And I think that’s a good thing. Eventually that useless insult will be consigned to the scrap heap where it belongs.
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Agreed, the name “Hitler” or the word “Nazi” is kind of like the word “racist”, “sexist” or “homphopic”; the more frequently and casually they are thrown around, the less they have any real sting. I never cared if someone wanted to depict President Bush with a Hitler moustache because I knew that was nonsense.
But it is still tasteless and unnecessary.
I get the point of this post, but two wrongs don’t make a right. If we want credibility on this, we better stay on the high road.
Obama a fascist? Absolutely, given his gunning to silence free markets and free speech. Obama a Nazi? Harder to argue, IMHO.
That’s funny Salt. Have a good one.
LOL.
Hear! Hear!
And Geithner is the US Treasury Secretary – i.e., he’s in control of our country’s (and our own) economic recovery – Palin is just the governor of Alaska!
Prioritize people, prioritize.
I emphasized it not because but because that’s the word the politicians use for a tax provision they disagree with, and never use for provisions they approve of. The point remains that if it were taxable income (and when I received it it was) it should/would have been included on the W-2, and that’s a bureaucratic error, not tax evasion. I couldn’t tell you at the moment whether all of the per diem payments I ever received were on my W-2′s. I assumed they were, because that’s the job of the finance department.
Man, what funny responses – somebody said “Tell it to the Buddhists.”
The Buddhists are some of the warmest and most decent people on the planet – Republicans with swastikas are the exact opposite.
The Malkin people in the picture use the image for hate, you folks have nothing in common with Buddhists.
Where did I say I did not care about your absurd misstatements about my postions? Looks like you are the one with the reading comprehension issue, buddy.
Your initial claim was that I had never “mentioned” it was wrong for the left to do it. Which I have.
But now your claim is that I am somehow disingenuos what I mention such things, which is an entirely different claim from your original, debunked claim.
So you can’t stand by your origninal claim and have yet to offer anything substantive beyond your own feeelings about me, in way of the second claim.
That is a troll. Chapoutier is not.
“Gosh, those shoes looked so good on YOU! Boy, they seem to be a bit tight on ME!”
/sarc
Chumps.
The symbol you all of a sudden find offensive when linked to the president was a buddist symbol and a good luck symbol WAY before hitler/obama got his hands on it. Its called history. Read some.
obama = hitler, stalin,, franco, mao…
LGM, your side set this standard, and now you are upset when the same standard is applied to chimpy mcobama???
deal with it.
We don’t need to do anything; their own double standards will be their undoing. In their denial of human nature, libs/lefties miss the fact that most people hate whiners. This goes double for “eggshells armed with hammers” who whine when conflicts that they started rebound back on them: “Mommy! He hit me back!!”
Michelle’s point in her post is simply a more elegant way of expressing the contempt found in the old schoolyard condemnation of kids who “Can’t take it, but they can dish it out.”
Precisely. Or as Whittaker Chambers put it, “Innocence has no need for outraged shrieks. Guilt does.”
I don’t use direct Nazi comparisons because it trivializes the terrible significance of the real thing, but one must be blind not to see the totalitarian underpinnings and yearnings of today’s Left.
The whole point of the Nanny State, ultimately, is to slide society away from individual liberty and toward authoritarian government. Or as Bill Clinton put it so aptly when asked why he wouldn’t return to the taxpayers some of his budget surpluses, “But what if they don’t spend it right?”
The Nanny State corrodes freedom by creating artificial scarcities (e.g., socialized medicine, depriving the market of lending capital and indulging in short-sighted energy policies) and by restricting or banning freedoms (e.g., the “Fairness” doctrine, “gun control” and seeking to criminalize political opposition).
Those it cannot coerce, it bribes with “entitlements” that end up infantalizing their supposed beneficiaries — thereby enslaving them, too, for what the government gives it can also threaten to take away.
Huey Long was right when he said that if Fascism ever comes to America, it’ll call itself “anti-Fascism” — and liberals are the biggest self-proclaimed “anti-Fascists” there are. After all, what’s the big deal about a little coercion on the way to their notion of “egalite” and “fraternite?”
If only we modern-day Kulaks would let them save us from our selfishness through the “By-any-means-necessary / My-good-intentions-justify-the-means”noblesse oblige of their Enlightened Selves….
I for one am glad NYK is back. Before the November election NYK was subjected to a rotten racist diatribe on this very site. And I am glad that those who did it no longer post here.
Welcome back NYK, while don’t much agree with your political stance, I appreciate your posts.
ONE little tiny (yet still disgusting) Hitler sign at the protest, the media goes nuts. But a big guy with a big hammer and sickle sign at the Obama rally several blocks away, nobody says a word.
Obama is Hitler comparisons are wrong.
Obama is much more like Stalin. Now, will Hillary wind up as Trotsky?
But public school educated children like “I Love My Country” were taught little about Stalin, and wouldn’t understand the reference. If they know of Stalin at all, just the airbrushed ally in World War 2, not the man who signed a treaty with Hitler to invade Poland together and start that war, or the man that killed as many people as Hitler did.
Thank you. It was legal. The end.
But the thread is about crybabies suddenly noticing after eight years that calling people Hitler is basically uncalled for. Especially when he is Stalin, or Obama Jung Il.
Ed, hadn’t seen your post –
Oh I know, I am just having a little fun with the thin skined.
BTW Stalin killed more, hitler was just more industrial about it.
Actually, if one reads Nazi propaganda (in this case, propaganda about the People’s Car KdF, aka ‘The Volkswagen Beetle), one notices that the word “socialist” in the name “National Socialist Workers Party” isn’t just a throw-a-way line.
But Obama will target class enemies, and people who don’t willingly surrender their hard earned property, like Stalin, and won’t get all hung up on the ‘master race’, like Hitler.
you people just don’t get it…
http://www.thecolorsofindia.com/swastik/swastika-in-buddhism.html
Namaste!
I don’t get the point of this post. If it is inappropriate to use Nazi comparisons to the president, it is always inappropriate, and you provide link upon link suggesting you believe this to be true.
You’re defending yourself by saying other people — people you think are amoral jerks, I might add — have done it, so what’s the big deal? Yes, I get that you think they’re hypocrites for not calling out others on their team for making Hitler-Bush analogies. But you clearly do not hold yourself to the same standard, and right here we have the proof. Had you not been forced to acknowledge him, I doubt you were planning on posting about the crazy conservative guy with a swastika at your rally.
But the plain and simple fact is there is nothing defensible about this, and your instinctive recoil to accusations of BDS is quite telling. A simple “Ooops, I didn’t see that, sorry!” would have sufficed.
Jimminy! Does lgm REALLY teach in the public school system?
Here
s some history:
HITLER KILLED HIMSELF.
Stalin had nothing to do with it.
There. Now I feel better.
Carry on Trolls and Patriots.
I do believe Chap was defending MM. Why criticize him? He may indeed have mentioned it as an issue when the left did it. We don’t know, do we? My point is, Chap is a liberal who disagrees with us on most issues. But on this particular post, he actually defended MM AND admitted that the left did it too. For that, we should cut him some slack, don’t you think? That doesn’t mean we have to treat him with kid gloves. We can argue against his point of view when we disagree…but not this time.
And by the way, I for one would miss Chap if he wasn’t here. He is not a troll. He actually has something to say. If we can’t respectfully argue with the other side, we are no better than the moonbats.
lgm meant Stalin killed more people (in terms of raw numbers) than Hitler, not that Stalin personally killed Hitler.
Oh save your fake outrage.
chimpy mcobama = hitler, stalin, pol pot, satan, That smelly guy who lives at the end of the road.
Millions of red army soldiers raping and torturing thier way across Berlin might have had something to do with it as well.
too true happyscrapper. the problem with a large portion of the liberal left is they will not even acknowledge that another opinion exists and might have some merit. i prefer to base my opinions with the experience of history. nothing in this world is new, and our failures and successes of the past should help us. john kennedy in 1961 was appalled the government spent 5% of the u.s. gdp, and hence rolled back taxes. today our government spends 40% of gdp and our leaders think we need more government spending.
On February 18th, 2009 at 12:01 am, Storm Chaser said:
Just as NOW showed their true colors with Clinton
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Funny, I don’t recall when a Suffragette said, “I would be happy to give the President a b*&w job just for giving women the right to vote”, like Nina Burleigh did re: Clinton and abortion.
We’ve come a long way, baby . . .
huggybear,
I think the point of the post is that MM IS saying it is always inappropriate. In doing so, she is pointing out the hypocrisy of DK for criticizing comparisons of Obama and Hitler while having recently done comparisons of Bush and Hitler themselves.
I don’t read anything in her post as supporting the sign of the person she is photographed with, nor do I think she was showing her support by being in such a photograph. I assume that, whether or not she saw the sign, she agreed to the request of a fan for a picture. Period.
Had she had the sign herself, that would be a different matter. But she clearly didn’t.
Just to clear something up: As the “Great One” Mark Levin so aptly pointed out the other day, what’s being done to our government right now is technically not the introduction of socialism but fascism. Therefore, the Nazi’s, having been the ultimate in fascist government, the title best goes to the new administration.
I wonder if the fascists now in office will look back and realize what utter failures Germany and Italy saw. When their avid voters start counting the minimal tax gifts and mortgage bandaids they may soon turn their loyalties.
Hey you out there in Denver!
Is tiny-nazi-sign-guy really a nazi or a plant? Did Michelle even see the tiny nazi sign? Without my glasses, I might have missed it myself.
I wouln’t have missed the big ol’ honkin’ hammer and sickle poster at the Denver pro-Obama rally a few blocks away.
Sie können nicht spotten mein Obama
#181
As vehement as this all is, I’m inclined to think that there is more to this story. Could the guy be a plant?
I’m the furthest thing from a conspiracy theorist, but the lefty blogs seem too well coordinated. And who takes a picture of someone getting their picture taken with someone else? Either by extreme chance, since Michelle was mobbed yesterday for photos, or in careful coordination.
Tools.
Isn’t this whole “focus on the picture” simply indicative of the left’s inability to argue an issue on its merits?
The point Michelle raises is that the left is completely hypocritical on this point. For them, it’s only okay to draw comparisons to fascist dictators when the target is not “their guy.”
Never mind that in his first four weeks, Obama has inaugurated more socialist/fascist policies than Bush did in his eight years.
Never mind. Nothing to see here. Move along. Stop taking pictures with “Swastika Guy” ‘cuz that’s the REAL problem…
elpresidente: You’re not nuts. the same thought crossed my mind…who DOES take a picture of someone getting their picture taken?
Kossacks, judging by this.
Let’s see. Nazi = National Socialist party. Whose bill has the “buy American” bit in it? that would be the Dems. So much for Nationalist. Who wants to nationalize the oil industry and banks? Right, the Dems. Republicans are capitalist, the complete opposite of socialist. Which one supports Israel?
You really should try posting on a subject you at least know something about instead of trying to take a cheap shot.
I smell a set up as the left has done this before
Mike Stark now a days
Looks a bit like our Nazi weilding placard guy.
I really enjoyed reading the hypocrisy by the resident leftists/liberals here today. Never ceases to amaze me how they can do a thing for years and pat each other on the back while doing it, then promptly criticize others for a single occasion, even more so if it wasn’t meant or planned. I seriously question whether liberals can even recognize their hypocrisy…I also suspect their “outrage” (which is well faked by most) is simply driven by any criticism in any way of the blessed and most exalted leader of all time, b. hussein himself. I have a VERY good feeling about the upcoming midterm congressional election, and every day that liberals self destruct a little more gets us that much closer to improving our representation in congress. I don’t think obullcrap is going to enjoy a republican majority in the house……..
Hitler was a fascist.
Obama is a fascist.
What’s the problem?
Ein Reich, Ein Volk, OBAMA
Progressives wonder where some wingnuts get the temerity to brand them nazis? The prog-lodites are so lacking in historical awareness, they actually borrow nazi catchphrases (without atribution) to help promote the lightworker’s cult of personality.
What a farce.
The link you provided near the end of the thread, chap, rebuts flenser’s accusation, but only in the most narrow, technical, legalistic sense.
I think most of us understand that flenser’s claim is that like most progressives, you didn’t make much noise when your fellow progs repeatedly labeled conservatives as nazis (applause doesn’t count.)
You, on the other hand, focused like a laser on the language in which the substantive point was couched. He said you were silent when the left did “things like this and worse,” but you only dealt with the “and worse” part.
I wouldn’t dislocate my arm, patting myself on the back for taking a courageous stand against advocating murder of political opponents. That’s a bar under which few of us must limbo.
Given the subject of this particular thread, however, a more relevent question is who on the left have you condemned for indulging in the reductio ad hitlerum?
Its a back-handed compliment that you hold MM to a higher standard than pretty much the entire left end of the political spectrum, politicians and putative intellectuals included. Apparently, not only must she engage her ideological opponents in a civil manner, regardless of the depths to which they stoop; she also has to police those around her(not just colleagues but complete strangers who don’t even qualify as casual acquainances) for over-the-top political speech. Is that the gist?
MM doesn’t have to apologize for someone else’s actions. That’s bullsh*t. The left called her a nazi before this, and they’ll call her one regardless of how she handles this.
She’d be ill advised to give them (e.g. you) the satisfaction.
Oh fer freaking God’s sake. Believe it or not, I do not comment on every thread, or put every thought that crosses my mind down here, nor I recall every goddamned thread I posted on. I did the best I could finding a example counter to flesner’s absurd statement, given that I did not want to spend my entire day poring over every post MM has made since I joined. You say the example I used was only “technically” correct. I prefer the term “actually.” I get down on my knees and beg for your almighty forgiveness that I was not able to find a previous post of mine that exactly matched the situation presented here.
Well…I have actually done it on the most relevant thread ever posted on this forum that I can recall…THIS GODDAMNED ONE!!!
Where the hell did I say anything even remotely approaching this? But actually, to some extent, yes. If you want to call people out on the opposition’s incivility, it makes a far more credible case if you yourself are civil. I make no judgments as to whether or not she meets this burden.
Again…where in the love of god do you get the idea I asked for MM to apologize for anything? Where? I defended her for pete’s sake (see post 101).
This is my last post on the insipidly stupid “Did-Chapoutier-Or-Did-Chapoutier-Not-Post-Something-Before” Game. You can run out to Toys R Us and buy the home version if you wish to keep playing.
Chap doesn’t think anyone should be compared to hitler. Fine.In my opinion, the lefts actions over the last 8 years leaves that door WIDE open however. I think the comparision of obama to hitler is flawed, stalin or mao would be closer. BUT with the education system the way it is in this country, hitler is probably the most understood comparison. You have to remember we have kids graduating high school who have never heard of korea.
This thread is not about what chap said or didnt say.
Michelle was likley set up(see William Amos post above). That was probably a rotten play by several unethical people who should be publically brought to task for their behavior and THEY should be condemned and marginalized, not Michelle.
In other words, all the Michelle condemnation is premature.
You proved flenser’s “argument” was invalid in a logical sense, but that doesn’t mean you’ve proved that both of the premises of his “argument” are unsound.
If flenser had said
“you were silent when the left said things like this OR worse” (inclusive disjuction
instead of
“you were silent when the left said things like this AND worse” (conjuction,)
his argument would be valid and you’d have no choice but to address the soundness of the premises to prove him wrong or concede the point.
That’s why I said you’re right, but only on a technicality. I didn’t expect you to give me any rhythm on this. To lawyer, technically right is the best kind of right
No suprise.
I already had MS Notepad open, so instead of writing my posts directly into the tiny little text box (I wear thick coke-bottles,) I composed two posts in MS Notebook and tried to copy, paste and post the one addressed to you first and then repeat the process for huggybear (in reply to post #170.) Instead, I copied, pasted and posted them both into my comment to you in #193. When I realized what I did, I got frustrated and just said “f” it and went to bed.
I offer my sincere apologies for the inconvenience.
Since when does “pretty much” mean never, or always? You critics really need to give MM some slack.
Hahahaha!
Poor ole Chapoutier gets found out to be the dishonest little twit that he is again!
Every thread, he gets called on the carpet for his deceit.
Your parents should have beat you with a hairbrush the way Laurence Olivier’s did because he said he was a compulsive liar, but was broken of the habit.
Ck Aug 11 2006, post #10034. Subject ” Do liberal Bears poop in the woods”
Section 3, paragraph 11. line 67.
You will see Chappy that you indeed said what you are accused of