Nutroots suddenly hypersensitive about Nazi/president comparisons

By Michelle Malkin  •  February 17, 2009 11:38 PM

For eight years, we’ve heard “Bushitler” invoked endlessly.

Again:

And again.

And again.

And again.

And again:

Now, the tables have been turned. Some folks are invoking Nazi allusions against Barack Obama.

I’ve pretty much stayed away from using such rhetoric against those with whom I disagree — especially having been on the receiving end of Nazi allusions myself countless times over the years.

Here, for example, is a typical Nazi caricature of me during a trip to Berkeley several years ago:

Whatever.

But now, get this.

The left-wing blogosphere is suddenly up in arms over the sight of others mimicking their over-the-top rhetoric of the past eight years. A protester who attended the Denver Pig Roast today had such a sign and asked for a picture with me. The nutroots are having vapors about it:

The sign says “No Obama” with the fascist symbol inside the “O.”

The Kossacks think I should be fired from my job (ha).

In Obama’s America, you see, swastikas wielded for political protest are not allowed to be used…

…for anything other than the “S” in Bushitler.

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  1. #625651
    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:47 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    The movie “Animal Farm” comes to mind.

    GSP
    “This is Sparta!”

  2. #625654
    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:47 am, Tagwife said:

    For me it seems time to invoke Godwin’s Law to all things comparing anyone to Hitler.

  3. #625658
    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Obama “family friend” foresaw genocide of capitalists.

  4. #625660
    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am, sonofdy said:

    Oh, and will be seeing a post about Sarah Palin’s tax troubles? Just curious.

    The dems have proven tax issues are no big deal. What is it that makes the left hate Govener Palin with such a unvarnished irrational hatred???

    Oh btw nyk:

    obama = hitler.

    There, now you can be all upset as well.

  5. #625668
    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:57 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:44 am, nyk said:

    Oh, and will be seeing a post about Sarah Palin’s tax troubles? Just curious.

    “At the Governor’s request, we reviewed the situation to determine whether we were in full compliance with the pertinent Internal Revenue Service regulations,” Kreitzer wrote. “As a result of this review, we determined that per diem needs to be treated as income, requiring a revision of W-2 forms for any affected employees.”

    Apparently you missed this part. And as a former recipient of per diem (separate rations, in the military) let me point out that tax law is frequently far from clear whether it’s income or not. And if it wasn’t on her W-2, there’s no reason to think she knew, either. Unlike Geithner, for instance, who not only was reimbursed for the taxes he wasn’t paying, he was also the recipient of documentation confirming that he owed taxes on the money. But don’t let that bother you. Just remember, pretty much everybody who pays taxes makes mistakes on their 1040s at one time or other. Of course, that doesn’t apparently apply to you welfare queens.

    Oh by the way, maybe you missed this part too:

    The revelation about Palin comes as U.S. senators, including Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, are under scrutiny over back taxes. A survey by the political newspaper and Web site Politico (www.politico.com) found that Begich was one of seven senators who acknowledged owing back taxes.

    Some other state employees also owe back income taxes for travel payments and will be getting revised tax forms, Annette Kreitzer, state administration commissioner, said in an e-mail.

  6. #625674
    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:59 am, rjd27 said:

    Michelle, you should have asked the guy to change his sign to a hammer and sickle. The nutroots would have cheered.

  7. #625680
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am, purplepeep said:

    Did you include the “Move On” series of Bush-Hitler ads? I expect “Media Matters” – another George Soros funded gang – never mentioned them.

    It’s not just the nutroots, it’s the Democrat establishment itself:

    MoveOn – Bush-Hitler

  8. #625681
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am, chapoutier said:

    Who cares about the tax situation. txvet is somewhat right that this could be simply a mistake of interpretation of law and the fact it wasn’t on her w-2.

    What is crazy absurd is that these were per diems for days she freaking stayed and ate at home.

  9. #625684
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am, JustifiedRight said:

    Much to my regret, out economic policy is now quite fascist:

    http://tinyurl.com/5sgj25

  10. #625686
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am, corona said:

    Remember, Barry O is instituting a fascist economy.

  11. #625687
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    I’ve noticed that one of the tactics of the radical left is to accuse the right of wrongdoings that the right is innocent of and that they themselves (the radical left) are guilty of!

    This tactic puts the right on the defensive, trying to explain how they are not guilty of this wrongdoing, and prevents the right from going on the offensive (about the left’s guilt of this very same wrongdoing).

    If the right accuses the left of what the left has already accused the right,
    it comes across like a childhood playground issue of:

    I know you are, but what am I?

    Some examples:
    Hillary Clinton’s claim of a “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy”.

    There was not a “Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy”, but there certainly is a “Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy” (including followers fo Saul Alinsky like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama).

    Bush was not even close to being like Hitler, but 8 years of “Bush-Hitler” claims have been to diffuse any comparisons now between the current Usurper-in-Chief and Hitler.

  12. #625688
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:07 am, DBNinKY said:

    Oh, and will be seeing a post about Sarah Palin’s tax troubles? Just curious.

    Just as soon as Obama has his cabinet in place – one never knows which admitted tax cheat he will nominate next, so it pays for MM to keep time and space available. (Goose, meet gander!)

  13. #625692
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am, nyk said:

    Oh btw nyk:

    obama = hitler.

    There, now you can be all upset as well.

    Nice try but, your average uncreative boob has been using this analogy for any and everyone since the dawn of the Internet. I wouldn’t expect any more from you — trust me. I really, really wouldn’t.

    Oh by the way, maybe you missed this part too:

    I didn’t miss any of those parts, or this:

    Palin billed the state for 312 nights spent in her Wasilla home during her first 19 months in office, according to the Washington Post. She received $60 a day tax free, money intended to cover meals and incidentals, while traveling on state business.

    Oh — and I didn’t miss the part where you scrambled to come up with an excuse (by mentioning other people who owe back taxes, which strikes me as not wholly unlike when children apply the “But he did it too!” excuse to absolve themselves of some wrongdoing) for her misuse of funds.

  14. #625695
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:09 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    Obama flunks history, again
    posted at 10:24 am on July 20, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

    After receiving a hailstorm of criticism for considering Brandenburg Gate for a public speech, as well as official German dissuasion, Barack Obama moved the venue to the Siegessäule monument. Obama will speak about “historic” US-German relations, but once again, Obama’s own grasp of history has been proven deficient. Not only does the site contain a monument to Prussian victories over other American allies in Europe, its placement was decided by Adolf Hitler — in order to impress crowds in his idealized version of Berlin called Germania:

  15. #625704
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:15 am, Salt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am, lgm said:

    Hardly. The picture speaks for itself.

    Considering the way the sign is tucked away from Michelle, it doesn’t prove much of anything. Given the activity of the crowd, it’s possible that Michelle didn’t even see the sign until she saw this photo.

    That contrasts greatly with the denials by President Obama and his association with William Ayers for which you give him a pass.

    We all know you have a thing about being highly insulted by Nazi symbols, but it is remarkable that you only comment on it when it’s aimed at you or otherwise associated with liberals.

    We want to know, lgm, why you weren’t protesting when Bush was being compared to Hitler?

    You’re there proudly posing with a sign calling Obama a Nazi.

    No, she’s politely taking a picture with someone that asked her. The image of the swastika is not present in the picture the man was taking, but in a picture someone else was taking of them. How do you get “pride” over the sign from that?

    Then there are all the times you call this or that Democrat a Stalinist (Stalin killed more than Hitler) or a Fascist.

    “All the times”?

    The Tu Quoque is getting difficult for you in the face of the past 8 years that liberals have said this about Bush, isn’t it?

    Then there is the fact that you tolerate posts on your blog that call miscellaneous people Nazi, etc.

    Don’t be coy, lgm. Miscellaneous people is you, right?

    Do you need Michelle to defend you from those individuals? Is that what you are requesting?

    Or is your implication that Michelle is accountable for everything that is ever commented on here? That would also include all the liberal commenters, right? Why, that makes Michelle downright moderate by your standard.

  16. #625705
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:15 am, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:35 am, nyk said:
    Hardly. The picture speaks for itself. You’re there proudly posing with a sign calling Obama a Nazi.
    Exactly. You haven’t “stayed away” from associating yourself with this kind of thing at all (psst — the evidence is the picture you posted). You spend a huge amount of time scouring every surface and reaching for even the most benign evidence of BDS; now lefty blogs are giving you the same treatment. Wah. BFD.

    —————————————

    With all due respect to our hostess, I must agree with NYK and LGM on this issue.

    MM, that was extremely poor judgement on your part if you were aware of the sign, for a couple of reasons:

    a) We all got sick of the “Bush=Hitler” rhetoric, but “two wrongs don’t make a right”.

    b) It gives the far left ammunition against us, the same way we (rightly) used the Hitler comparisons to discredit the far left.

    Still appreciate you and your site, MM, but I think you made a mistake this time.

  17. #625708
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:17 am, sonofdy said:

    Nice try but, your average uncreative boob has been using this analogy for any and everyone since the dawn of the Internet. I wouldn’t expect any more from you — trust me. I really, really wouldn’t.

    Okay how about chimpy mcobama-hitler??? Nice to see you call 95% of your side “your average uncreative boob”.
    LOL

    Seriously what is up with the irrational hatred of Gov. Palin??? Are you really trying to bash her for starting her own investigation to clarify the tax law and then actualy :shock: paying taxes she only just found out she owes??? :shock:

    I mean she could just “forget” to pay them for years like your guy who is now actualy running the IRS.

  18. #625711
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am, chapoutier said:

    MM, that was extremely poor judgement on your part if you were aware of the sign, for a couple of reasons:

    Honestly, I seriously doubt she knew the guy had the picture. I think she is refusing to clarify because she deems it irrelevant to her point.

    The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign (and yes, the many people on the left that did the same thing).

  19. #625714
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am, DBNinKY said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:11 am, lgm said:

    Weren’t you the one who a few days ago, called the commenters on a thread “nuts?”

  20. #625716
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am, flenser said:

    The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign (and yes, the many people on the left that did the same thing).

    I don’t recall you ever once mentioning that it was an “issue” when people on the left did this and worse.

  21. #625717
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am, purplepeep said:

    sonofdy said:

    Oh btw nyk:

    obama = hitler.

    There, now you can be all upset as well.

    LOL. But haven’t you noticed the Democrats are abjectly terrified of addressing the Obama-Hiter issue and the fact that they can’t take what they’ve dished out? Hence the desperate attempts to switch topics to Sarah or anying else other than Thier Barack-Fuhrer.

  22. #625721
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am, corona said:

    The trolls have lost what little entertainment value they one had. They are not only morons, but cowards.

  23. #625723
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:24 am, sonofdy said:

    The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign

    Again, SO WHAT??? It is now completely acceptable to call your opposites nazis. On the very dailykos thread this one is based on they actualy called MM a nazi!!!

    I would have used a hammer and sickle but it is his right to be as offensive as he wishes to be.

  24. #625726
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:24 am, purplepeep said:

    frostrt said:
    I must agree with NYK and LGM on this issue.

    That’s when ya know you’ve really gone wobbly. Arlenspectoritus must be going around.

  25. #625727
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:25 am, flenser said:

    Oh, and will be seeing a post about Sarah Palin’s tax troubles? Just curious.

    She does not have tax troubes. She’s not a Democratic cabinet nominee.

  26. #625728
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:26 am, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am, chapoutier said:
    MM, that was extremely poor judgement on your part if you were aware of the sign, for a couple of reasons:
    Honestly, I seriously doubt she knew the guy had the picture. I think she is refusing to clarify because she deems it irrelevant to her point.

    ————————————

    I do, indeed, give her the benefit of the doubt; I dont necessarily believe she “proudly” posed with someone holding a swastica sign because she may not have known it was there until it was too late. It is relatively small, and may very well not have been visible to her from where she was at the time.

    Hence the qualifier, “IF you were aware of the sign”.

    If it were me in that position, I would feel a need to make it clear that I was unaware of the sign being in the picture until after it had been taken and published. Just sayin’.

  27. #625731
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am, purplepeep said:

    sonofdy said:

    “The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign”

    Again, SO WHAT???

    But..but..sob..sniff..it’s says “Obama is Hitler”….sob..that’s not fair…sniff…

  28. #625732
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:24 am, purplepeep said:
    frostrt said:
    I must agree with NYK and LGM on this issue.
    That’s when ya know you’ve really gone wobbly. Arlenspectoritus must be going around.

    —————————————

    I know, I know, never thought I’d see the day.

    What, pray tell, is the cure for “Arlenspectoritus”? Would a steady diet of Michelle and Ann Coulter’s books do the trick? :)

  29. #625740
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am, flenser said:

    frostrt said:

    I don’t recall seeing any comments here by “frostrt” before this, so I’m not buying this whole “regretful conservative shaking his head in sorrow” routine.

  30. #625741
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:32 am, chapoutier said:

    I don’t recall you ever once mentioning that it was an “issue” when people on the left did this and worse.

    Actually, you are wrong. I have found at least one occasion. I would link directly to it, but since you seem to have all my posts memorized, I will assume you know right where to look.

  31. #625743
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:32 am, Salt said:

    The hysteria over the symbol seems to stem from the fact that radicals have built this up to be the epitome of all things evil (and related to Pres. Bush). The fact this is happening at dKos is just funny.

    Perhaps they feel it’s a trademark infringement? /sarc

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am, flenser said:

    The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign (and yes, the many people on the left that did the same thing).

    I don’t recall you ever once mentioning that it was an “issue” when people on the left did this and worse.

    I can recall times when Chap has spoken out about such lunacy, much as he just did in agreeing that it’s likely Michelle didn’t see the sign, let alone “proudly pose” with it.

  32. #625747
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am, vargas said:

    I commend MM for staying away from any Obama-Nazi comparisons. I think it’s unfortunate that we even have to commend someone for that–it’s ridiculous to compare Obama to Hitler, just like it was ridiculous to compare Bush to Hitler.
    I also agree that this is a pretty blatant example of hypocrisy by DailyKos. If they’re going to lower the level of discourse to ‘Bushitler, hee hee hee’, then they need to shut up when the tables turn.
    I don’t think this means its acceptable for those on the Right to make Obama-Hitler comparisons, but I do think that DailyKos has lost any moral high ground to criticize the Right if they do so.

  33. #625748
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am, chapoutier said:

    I don’t recall seeing any comments here by “frostrt” before this, so I’m not buying this whole “regretful conservative shaking his head in sorrow” routine.

    Again, you spout off something or another about comments/commenters that is absolutely wrong.

    frostrt has posted here for a long time. Maybe you were too busy tracking all of my comments to notice.

  34. #625750
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:34 am, chapoutier said:

    Perhaps they feel it’s a trademark infringement? /sarc

    Lol.

  35. #625754
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am, flenser said:

    Actually, you are wrong. I have found at least one occasion. I would link directly to it, but since you seem to have all my posts memorized, I will assume you know right where to look.

    Now, what is it about your chronic dishonesty which leads me to call BS on that?

    And I’m refering to both your claims here, including the absurd one that I’ve memorized your trollish comments.

  36. #625755
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am, flenser said:
    frostrt said:
    I don’t recall seeing any comments here by “frostrt” before this, so I’m not buying this whole “regretful conservative shaking his head in sorrow” routine.

    ————————————

    I’ve been around. As far as thinking that me agreeing with NYK or LGM on this PARTICULAR issue makes me secretly as liberal on other issues as they are, that what YOU think.

    I heartily disagree with them and with President Obama on many things. I’m just put off by the Nazi allusions no matter who they’re used on. And I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.

  37. #625757
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am, sonofdy said:

    frostrt has been here a long time. He has his opinion. I disagree, but I am not going to hassle him about it.

    obama = chimpy mchitler mao stalin.

  38. #625758
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am, purplepeep said:

    frostrt said:
    What, pray tell, is the cure for “Arlenspectoritus”? Would a steady diet of Michelle and Ann Coulter’s books do the trick?

    In this case a little perception will do just fine; note – it’s not a “a swastica sign” as you’ve mistakenly cited it, it is a sign that, quite corectly, equates Obama with Nazi-like attributes. (e.g. do not question the demanding cult leader, just do what he says.)

  39. #625761
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:38 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:08 am, nyk said:

    But you did apparently miss the part where it wasn’t included in her W-2, which is supposed to include all taxable income from that source. In other words, it’s (apparently) a bureaucratic error, not tax evasion. But you go on ahead. Every time you try this moral equivalence game, your guys just look worse.

    On the other hand, Chappie has a point on billing for per diem for meals at home. I don’t know of, nor have I seen any explanation for that.

  40. #625763
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:39 am, flenser said:

    Maybe you were too busy tracking all of my comments to notice.

    This self-pitying persecution complex of yours is most unappealing. If I decide to start tracking your crappy comments, you won’t be in any doubt about it. I’ll link to them repeatedly.

  41. #625765
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:39 am, chapoutier said:

    And I’m refering to both your claims here, including the absurd one that I’ve memorized your trollish comments.

    You claim to recall that I have never made such a statement. What would be the reasonable basis for such a recollection unless you knew all of the comments I have made? Otherwise, you would just be talking out of your a$$.

    And yes I did find a post. I wasted 5 minutes of my time. You can do the same, since you seem to care so much.

  42. #625771
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:40 am, purplepeep said:

    flenser said:
    I don’t recall seeing any comments here by “frostrt” before this

    Been around probably as long as you have, flenser. Since we’ve seen more than one prominent conservative go shaky, it doesn’t surprise me when it occurs amongst us nobodys.

  43. #625772
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:41 am, sonofdy said:

    obama = chimpy mchitler, mao, stalin, pol pot, gengis khan, franco, mussilini, tito, king george III, atlia the hun, and the little guy with elevator shoes in north korea.

  44. #625773
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:41 am, chapoutier said:

    On the other hand, Chappie has a point on billing for per diem for meals at home. I don’t know of, nor have I seen any explanation for that.

    There is apparently a loophole in the state regs that allows her to do this. I do not claim it was illegal. Just odd and a bit hypocritical for someone claiming to be a reformer of government waste.

  45. #625775
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Ilovemycountry said:

    Yep, them Republicans love their swastikas.

  46. #625776
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am, ClassicFilm said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am, purplepeep said:

    In this case a little perception will do just fine; note – it’s not a “a swastica sign” as you’ve mistakenly cited it, it is a sign that, quite corectly, equates Obama with Nazi-like attributes. (e.g. do not question the demanding cult leader, just do what he says.)

    Well said, purplepeep… I was typing out an exasperated response when I saw you had already addressed it swiftly and concisely.

  47. #625777
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am, englishqueen01 said:

    I heartily disagree with them and with President Obama on many things. I’m just put off by the Nazi allusions no matter who they’re used on. And I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.

    Which I think is the point. It’s not okay…but the outrage from the left is rather…selective. It’s okay to call Bush “Hitler” but not okay when applied to Obama? What a double standard.

    Ultimately, what it comes down to is this: a few years back, I worked for a radio station and met a few musicians. I had my picture taken with Jason Mraz. Does that mean I wholeheartedly endorse everything Mraz has said, done, or believes?

    No.

    It means I was a fan, working an event, and had an opportunity to have my picture taken with him. Period. Nothing more. Although – to this day – I do remember his cologne smelled really good…

  48. #625779
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am, flenser said:

    And yes I did find a post. I wasted 5 minutes of my time. You can do the same, since you seem to care so much.

    It seems blindingly obvious then you care a great deal more then I do, doesn’t it? In spite of your idiotic protestations to the contrary.

  49. #625781
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:37 am, purplepeep said:
    frostrt said:
    What, pray tell, is the cure for “Arlenspectoritus”? Would a steady diet of Michelle and Ann Coulter’s books do the trick?
    In this case a little perception will do just fine; note – it’s not a “a swastica sign” as you’ve mistakenly cited it, it is a sign that, quite corectly, equates Obama with Nazi-like attributes. (e.g. do not question the demanding cult leader, just do what he says.)

    ————————————–

    Your point is taken; I still think it’s no more appropriate now than when it was done to Bush.

    I will agree that his reaction to Rush is a bit extreme and if the Fairness Doctrine goes through on his watch, he will have crossed the line into trying to silence dissent.

  50. #625782
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:44 am, nyk said:

    I mean she could just “forget” to pay them for years like your guy who is now actualy running the IRS.

    She “forgot” for a full 19 months that she was at home and not traveling when she took those per diems, which means mentally, things have taken a turn for the worse, I guess.

    Seriously what is up with the irrational hatred of Gov. Palin???

    It’s not irrational and it’s not hatred. I just know that were this a story involving a Democrat, there would be numerous posts here about it and plenty of commenter grousing. But this is a right wing site; no one here pretends to play it down the middle. So, whatever.

    Thier Barack-Fuhrer.

    Uh, sure.

    Anyway, when I hear anyone call anyone who isn’t Hitler, “Hitler,” I usually make a mental note to tune that person out. I mean, even the most clichéd, lazy impersonation of a teenager only requires the use of the words “conceited” and “fascist” and “Hitler.” I just thought that was generally agreed upon in society.

    Well, good to see this place never changes. Enjoy your day, all.

  51. #625784
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am, chapoutier said:

    It seems blindingly obvious then you care a great deal more then I do, doesn’t it? In spite of your idiotic protestations to the contrary.

    Yeah…I was the one that brought it up. Oh wait no! THAT WAS YOU!

    But this from someone that doesn’t even know frostrt, who posts here every day, so powers of observation are clearly not your strong suit.

  52. #625785
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am, flenser said:

    I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.

    I think you’re wrong. I think Hitler comparisions are now the norm in every aspect of society. And I think that’s a good thing. Eventually that useless insult will be consigned to the scrap heap where it belongs.

  53. #625788
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am, Salt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Ilovemycountry said:

    Yep, them Republicans love their swastikas.

    This is a troll comment. Comments that do nothing but seek to antagonize without actually making a contribution to the discussion or deliberately changing the subject (e.g. Palin tax nonsequitor) is troll behavior.

    Chap is not a troll. (So long as no one mentions the “Z” word.)

  54. #625792
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:48 am, DBNinKY said:

    I don’t recall seeing any comments here by “frostrt” before this, so I’m not buying this whole “regretful conservative shaking his head in sorrow” routine.

    I try to read everyone’s posts and can vouch that FroStart has been here a long time and that, until now, I’ve agreed with most all of his points – they’ve always been conservative and right on the money!

    BTW, with 17,000 additional troops being sent to Afghanistan isn’t more accurate to say Obama is Bush III?

  55. #625794
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am, undresiege said:

    The laziest, most intellectually bankrupt forms of debate or political expression:

    1. Comparing a modern day, major, American political leader to Hitler.
    It says so much about the speaker. It’s over the top, corny, and weak on every level. Only a true loser would make this totally insensitive comparison. Hey Englishqueen, that goes for Liberals too.

    2. Name calling.
    We all do it, some more than others, I’m certainly guilty as well. It is what it is, but it’s lame.

    3. Making fun of a grammatical, or spelling mistakes.
    (sup, Feebiebabe?)

  56. #625798
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am, DBNinKY said:

    Nutz! …isn’t [it] more… .

  57. #625799
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am, lgm said:

    Why is it that some conservatives are so determined to imitate behavior they find offensive? They’re offended when the President of the United States is called a Nazi, so they go out and do just that. They are offended that our enemies torture captives, so they do that too.

    Hey, why not set an example by holding yourself to the standard you want others to follow?

  58. #625800
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am, englishqueen01 said:
    I heartily disagree with them and with President Obama on many things. I’m just put off by the Nazi allusions no matter who they’re used on. And I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.
    Which I think is the point. It’s not okay…but the outrage from the left is rather…selective. It’s okay to call Bush “Hitler” but not okay when applied to Obama? What a double standard.

    Ultimately, what it comes down to is this: a few years back, I worked for a radio station and met a few musicians. I had my picture taken with Jason Mraz. Does that mean I wholeheartedly endorse everything Mraz has said, done, or believes?

    No.

    It means I was a fan, working an event, and had an opportunity to have my picture taken with him. Period. Nothing more. Although – to this day – I do remember his cologne smelled really good…

    —————————————

    I certainly agree about the selective outrage; the far left doesn’t seem to care at all (with a few exceptions) if this is done to a President they don’t like. Dissent is not so “patriotic” when it is against a liberal President.

    And, as I pointed out, I’m not even sure our hostess was aware of the sign until the photo had been taken and was already out there.

    P.S.; You met Mraz? Cool!

  59. #625801
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am, txvet2 said:

    Well, if it’s a “loophole” in state regs, that’s doublespeak for perfectly legal, if not proper. In other words, nyk trying to draw a parallel between that and Geithner or other Dem tax cheats is a rather long stretch. For that matter, the mortgage interest deduction is a “loophole”, as are most other deductions. I notice that it happened during her first days in office so maybe she was (here we go again) just doing what had been done by previous governors under the assumption that it was correct. The key point to be made here is that it was legal, and if it should have been taxed then it should have been included on the W-2, which makes it an administrative error, and not hers.

  60. #625802
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am, nyk said:

    I’ve been around. As far as thinking that me agreeing with NYK or LGM on this PARTICULAR issue makes me secretly as liberal on other issues as they are, that what YOU think.

    Sigh. frostrt, I’ve seen you here lots and know you’re only agreeing on this one point — and guessing not much else. Ignore the sorts of idiots who try to make that into a tacit shake with me on the entire Democratic platform. We both know that saying such a thing is just stupid and silly and a desperate plea for (even negative) attention.

    Anywho — have a good day!

  61. #625806
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:51 am, flenser said:

    Yeah…I was the one that brought it up.

    Did I say that you were the one who “brought it up”? I see that your reading comprehension has not improved in the slightest.

    I pointed out that your vehement insistence that you did not care about the matter was belied by your vehement insistence, and by your “wasting” five minutes of your time searching for prior commens of yours.

    And my intial claim still stands. Your phony indignation about Hitler comparisions is just that. Everything is a pose with you.

  62. #625807
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am, DBNinKY said:

    Why is it that some conservatives are so determined to imitate behavior they find offensive?

    Then perhaps liberals should not initiate behavior they would prefer not be reflected back upon them? Just a suggestion -

  63. #625810
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:53 am, Salt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am, undresiege said:

    3. Making fun of a grammatical, or spelling mistakes.

    I agree with all your points and mean no disrespect when I point out that your use of the comma here is incorrect.

    …it was just funny to me given the irony. :)

  64. #625812
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am, chapoutier said:

    My apologies if you felt loophole was derogatory. But, as far as my understanding is, Palin taking the per diem was the result of an unintended consequence of the language of the regulations.

    But in any case, it is legal. I doubt there was much of a legitimate claim that it wasn’t taxable income, but it is certainly nothing like Geithner’s situation.

  65. #625813
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am, txvet2 said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am, Ilovemycountry said:

    Yep, them Republicans love their swastikas.

    Allow me to repeat. Tell it to the Buddhists.

  66. #625814
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am, DBNinKY said:

    Hey, why not set an example by holding yourself to the standard you want others to follow?

    I know you’re a plant, but look who’s talking!

  67. #625816
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am, flenser said:

    Why is it that some conservatives are so determined to imitate behavior they find offensive? They’re offended when the President of the United States is called a Nazi, so they go out and do just that. They are offended that our enemies torture captives, so they do that too.

    Hey, why not set an example by holding yourself to the standard you want others to follow?

    You’d think it’s head would explode from the sheer cognitive dissonance of writing these words.

    Being a liberal consists of the ability to contain several mutually exclusive ideas in your head at the same time and never even notice it’s happening.

  68. #625819
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:57 am, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:46 am, flenser said:
    I don’t think the past eight years of Bush=Hitler bashing makes it okay.
    I think you’re wrong. I think Hitler comparisions are now the norm in every aspect of society. And I think that’s a good thing. Eventually that useless insult will be consigned to the scrap heap where it belongs.

    ————————————-

    Agreed, the name “Hitler” or the word “Nazi” is kind of like the word “racist”, “sexist” or “homphopic”; the more frequently and casually they are thrown around, the less they have any real sting. I never cared if someone wanted to depict President Bush with a Hitler moustache because I knew that was nonsense.

    But it is still tasteless and unnecessary.

  69. #625821
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am, vickisoup said:

    I get the point of this post, but two wrongs don’t make a right. If we want credibility on this, we better stay on the high road.
    Obama a fascist? Absolutely, given his gunning to silence free markets and free speech. Obama a Nazi? Harder to argue, IMHO.

  70. #625825
    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am, undresiege said:

    I agree with all your points and mean no disrespect when I point out that your use of the comma here is incorrect.

    …it was just funny to me given the irony.

    That’s funny Salt. Have a good one.

    LOL.

  71. #625828
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:00 pm, DBNinKY said:

    …but it is certainly nothing like Geithner’s situation.

    Hear! Hear!

    And Geithner is the US Treasury Secretary – i.e., he’s in control of our country’s (and our own) economic recovery – Palin is just the governor of Alaska!

    Prioritize people, prioritize.

  72. #625834
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, txvet2 said:

    My apologies if you felt loophole was derogatory.

    I emphasized it not because but because that’s the word the politicians use for a tax provision they disagree with, and never use for provisions they approve of. The point remains that if it were taxable income (and when I received it it was) it should/would have been included on the W-2, and that’s a bureaucratic error, not tax evasion. I couldn’t tell you at the moment whether all of the per diem payments I ever received were on my W-2’s. I assumed they were, because that’s the job of the finance department.

  73. #625845
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Man, what funny responses – somebody said “Tell it to the Buddhists.”

    The Buddhists are some of the warmest and most decent people on the planet – Republicans with swastikas are the exact opposite.

    The Malkin people in the picture use the image for hate, you folks have nothing in common with Buddhists.

  74. #625849
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, chapoutier said:

    I pointed out that your vehement insistence that you did not care about the matter was belied by your vehement insistence, and by your “wasting” five minutes of your time searching for prior commens of yours.

    Where did I say I did not care about your absurd misstatements about my postions? Looks like you are the one with the reading comprehension issue, buddy.

    And my intial claim still stands.

    Your initial claim was that I had never “mentioned” it was wrong for the left to do it. Which I have.

    So it goes both ways, and is equally as distasteful.

    But now your claim is that I am somehow disingenuos what I mention such things, which is an entirely different claim from your original, debunked claim.

    So you can’t stand by your origninal claim and have yet to offer anything substantive beyond your own feeelings about me, in way of the second claim.

  75. #625875
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, b-cat said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:06 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    That is a troll. Chapoutier is not.

  76. #625876
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm, JustAThought said:

    “Gosh, those shoes looked so good on YOU! Boy, they seem to be a bit tight on ME!”

    /sarc

    Chumps.

  77. #625882
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:30 pm, sonofdy said:

    The Malkin people in the picture use the image for hate, you folks have nothing in common with Buddhists.

    The symbol you all of a sudden find offensive when linked to the president was a buddist symbol and a good luck symbol WAY before hitler/obama got his hands on it. Its called history. Read some.

    obama = hitler, stalin,, franco, mao…

    LGM, your side set this standard, and now you are upset when the same standard is applied to chimpy mcobama???

    deal with it.

  78. #625887
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, Regulus said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 10:32 am, happyscrapper said:

    Hypersentitivity is one of the liberal’s vulnerabilities. We need to find a way to use that to our advantage.

    We don’t need to do anything; their own double standards will be their undoing. In their denial of human nature, libs/lefties miss the fact that most people hate whiners. This goes double for “eggshells armed with hammers” who whine when conflicts that they started rebound back on them: “Mommy! He hit me back!!”

    Michelle’s point in her post is simply a more elegant way of expressing the contempt found in the old schoolyard condemnation of kids who “Can’t take it, but they can dish it out.”

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:05 am, ITookTheRedPill said:

    I’ve noticed that one of the tactics of the radical left is to accuse the right of wrongdoings that the right is innocent of and that they themselves (the radical left) are guilty of!

    Precisely. Or as Whittaker Chambers put it, “Innocence has no need for outraged shrieks. Guilt does.”

    I don’t use direct Nazi comparisons because it trivializes the terrible significance of the real thing, but one must be blind not to see the totalitarian underpinnings and yearnings of today’s Left.

    The whole point of the Nanny State, ultimately, is to slide society away from individual liberty and toward authoritarian government. Or as Bill Clinton put it so aptly when asked why he wouldn’t return to the taxpayers some of his budget surpluses, “But what if they don’t spend it right?”

    The Nanny State corrodes freedom by creating artificial scarcities (e.g., socialized medicine, depriving the market of lending capital and indulging in short-sighted energy policies) and by restricting or banning freedoms (e.g., the “Fairness” doctrine, “gun control” and seeking to criminalize political opposition).

    Those it cannot coerce, it bribes with “entitlements” that end up infantalizing their supposed beneficiaries — thereby enslaving them, too, for what the government gives it can also threaten to take away.

    Huey Long was right when he said that if Fascism ever comes to America, it’ll call itself “anti-Fascism” — and liberals are the biggest self-proclaimed “anti-Fascists” there are. After all, what’s the big deal about a little coercion on the way to their notion of “egalite” and “fraternite?”

    If only we modern-day Kulaks would let them save us from our selfishness through the “By-any-means-necessary / My-good-intentions-justify-the-means”noblesse oblige of their Enlightened Selves….

  79. #625896
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:37 pm, happy2behere said:

    I for one am glad NYK is back. Before the November election NYK was subjected to a rotten racist diatribe on this very site. And I am glad that those who did it no longer post here.

    Welcome back NYK, while don’t much agree with your political stance, I appreciate your posts.

  80. #625907
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm, happy2behere said:

    ONE little tiny (yet still disgusting) Hitler sign at the protest, the media goes nuts. But a big guy with a big hammer and sickle sign at the Obama rally several blocks away, nobody says a word.

  81. #625909
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:47 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Obama is Hitler comparisons are wrong.

    Obama is much more like Stalin. Now, will Hillary wind up as Trotsky?

    But public school educated children like “I Love My Country” were taught little about Stalin, and wouldn’t understand the reference. If they know of Stalin at all, just the airbrushed ally in World War 2, not the man who signed a treaty with Hitler to invade Poland together and start that war, or the man that killed as many people as Hitler did.

  82. #625925
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    But in any case, it is legal. I doubt there was much of a legitimate claim that it wasn’t taxable income, but it is certainly nothing like Geithner’s situation.

    Thank you. It was legal. The end.

    But the thread is about crybabies suddenly noticing after eight years that calling people Hitler is basically uncalled for. Especially when he is Stalin, or Obama Jung Il.

  83. #625928
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Obama is much more like Stalin.

    Ed, hadn’t seen your post – :)

  84. #625930
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:57 pm, sonofdy said:

    Obama is Hitler comparisons are wrong.

    Oh I know, I am just having a little fun with the thin skined.

    BTW Stalin killed more, hitler was just more industrial about it.

  85. #625935
    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:59 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Actually, if one reads Nazi propaganda (in this case, propaganda about the People’s Car KdF, aka ‘The Volkswagen Beetle), one notices that the word “socialist” in the name “National Socialist Workers Party” isn’t just a throw-a-way line.

    But Obama will target class enemies, and people who don’t willingly surrender their hard earned property, like Stalin, and won’t get all hung up on the ‘master race’, like Hitler.

  86. #625986
    On February 18th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, max said:

    you people just don’t get it…
    http://www.thecolorsofindia.com/swastik/swastika-in-buddhism.html

    Namaste!

  87. #626003
    On February 18th, 2009 at 1:41 pm, huggybear said:

    I don’t get the point of this post. If it is inappropriate to use Nazi comparisons to the president, it is always inappropriate, and you provide link upon link suggesting you believe this to be true.

    You’re defending yourself by saying other people — people you think are amoral jerks, I might add — have done it, so what’s the big deal? Yes, I get that you think they’re hypocrites for not calling out others on their team for making Hitler-Bush analogies. But you clearly do not hold yourself to the same standard, and right here we have the proof. Had you not been forced to acknowledge him, I doubt you were planning on posting about the crazy conservative guy with a swastika at your rally.

    But the plain and simple fact is there is nothing defensible about this, and your instinctive recoil to accusations of BDS is quite telling. A simple “Ooops, I didn’t see that, sorry!” would have sufficed.

  88. #626014
    On February 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, tamarah180 said:

    Jimminy! Does lgm REALLY teach in the public school system?

    Here
    s some history:

    HITLER KILLED HIMSELF.
    Stalin had nothing to do with it.

    There. Now I feel better.

    Carry on Trolls and Patriots.

  89. #626023
    On February 18th, 2009 at 1:55 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Chap said” The real issue is the guy actually holding the sign (and yes, the many people on the left that did the same thing).

    On February 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am, flenser said:

    I don’t recall you ever once mentioning that it was an “issue” when people on the left did this and worse.

    I do believe Chap was defending MM. Why criticize him? He may indeed have mentioned it as an issue when the left did it. We don’t know, do we? My point is, Chap is a liberal who disagrees with us on most issues. But on this particular post, he actually defended MM AND admitted that the left did it too. For that, we should cut him some slack, don’t you think? That doesn’t mean we have to treat him with kid gloves. We can argue against his point of view when we disagree…but not this time.

  90. #626044
    On February 18th, 2009 at 2:10 pm, happyscrapper said:

    And by the way, I for one would miss Chap if he wasn’t here. He is not a troll. He actually has something to say. If we can’t respectfully argue with the other side, we are no better than the moonbats.

  91. #626054
    On February 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, chapoutier said:

    HITLER KILLED HIMSELF.
    Stalin had nothing to do with it.

    lgm meant Stalin killed more people (in terms of raw numbers) than Hitler, not that Stalin personally killed Hitler.

  92. #626063
    On February 18th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, sonofdy said:

    But the plain and simple fact is there is nothing defensible about this, and your instinctive recoil to accusations of BDS is quite telling. A simple “Ooops, I didn’t see that, sorry!” would have sufficed.

    Oh save your fake outrage.

    chimpy mcobama = hitler, stalin, pol pot, satan, That smelly guy who lives at the end of the road.

  93. #626065
    On February 18th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, sonofdy said:

    HITLER KILLED HIMSELF.
    Stalin had nothing to do with it.

    Millions of red army soldiers raping and torturing thier way across Berlin might have had something to do with it as well. ;-)

  94. #626069
    On February 18th, 2009 at 2:30 pm, cheapseat said:

    too true happyscrapper. the problem with a large portion of the liberal left is they will not even acknowledge that another opinion exists and might have some merit. i prefer to base my opinions with the experience of history. nothing in this world is new, and our failures and successes of the past should help us. john kennedy in 1961 was appalled the government spent 5% of the u.s. gdp, and hence rolled back taxes. today our government spends 40% of gdp and our leaders think we need more government spending.

  95. #626095
    On February 18th, 2009 at 2:57 pm, frostrt said:

    On February 18th, 2009 at 12:01 am, Storm Chaser said:
    Just as NOW showed their true colors with Clinton
    ————————————–

    Funny, I don’t recall when a Suffragette said, “I would be happy to give the President a b*&w job just for giving women the right to vote”, like Nina Burleigh did re: Clinton and abortion.

    We’ve come a long way, baby . . .

  96. #626105
    On February 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm, vargas said:

    huggybear,

    I think the point of the post is that MM IS saying it is always inappropriate. In doing so, she is pointing out the hypocrisy of DK for criticizing comparisons of Obama and Hitler while having recently done comparisons of Bush and Hitler themselves.

    I don’t read anything in her post as supporting the sign of the person she is photographed with, nor do I think she was showing her support by being in such a photograph. I assume that, whether or not she saw the sign, she agreed to the request of a fan for a picture. Period.

    Had she had the sign herself, that would be a different matter. But she clearly didn’t.

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