Ramos and Compean are free
What an unspeakable relief for their families.
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“This is Sparta!”
free, but felons.
Good for them! About time! They deserve this, and much more. Too bad they weren’t pardoned fully.
At least Bush didn’t pardon terrorists like his predecessor.
About Dame Time. They should never have been in Jail in the first place.
Finally.
The most ridiculous fact being they lost their freedom in the first place…what kind of bizarre-o world is this?!
RTater::
Ditto!!!!
Free but they have been stripped of their right to vote, to own guns and to return to their prior careers in law enforcement. Justice was NOT done here.
Thank you President Bush for doing this. I just pray they will be safe, there are lots of mexican illegals who wish them harm. Be safe and God bless.
L
I bet this is the last time a drug dealer gets winged.
I hope their wives are carrying…
Oddly enough George and Laura didn’t need family members pardoned…
Next drug dealer ends up cold and stiff..
They’re free, but it’s still a travesty. Anyone that decides to apply for the Border Patrol or ICE is a prime target for any misstep or trumped charge. Believe one of these families has lost their home. Bet no one offered them free rent.
God bless their wives who remained strong and loyal in the face of a terrible injustice.
Now they need to get their names cleared by getting their case before the US Supreme Court and having the convictions overturned.
Finally, the relief for these two men and their families from the miscarriage of justice they had to suffer under.
Made my day to see these men released, may they now enjoy long and fruitful lives, well, as fruitful as possible here in the U.S.S.A.
Praise the Lord that they are FREE AT LAST ( to borrow a phrase from the past)
Yes they need to get their names cleared and nail that prosecutor that didn’t tell the WHOLE TRUTH (and nothing but the truth so help them GOD)
We need spokespeople for securing the border- those two families would be great!!!!!
This is a great day. I kept hoping that Bush would give a full pardon, but this is better than nothing. I hope they will eventually get their convictions overturned.
they need to commit treason or a terrorist act so they will have a chance at a full pardon in 4 years.
If they killed some police officers and military personnel they could be presidential advisers right now.
Mexican “government” about to crash, drug lords running the show, and the border patrol outnumbered 50-1…but not to worry, BHO has the answer!
Doesn’t even know the question.
It’s great that these back shootin, crime cover uppin, convicted felonians………. I meant law abiding law enforcement officers………are released before their law mandated sentences are up. Yes, no one is above the law.
Hallelujah!!!
No, but if you were to break into a parties headquarters or a psychiatrist office, maybe.
Grow the hell up.
Then the next shooter of such winds up doing even more time….up to life in the pokey.
Most folks here don’t care about things like rules of engagement or following the law. Their rightwing talking points teach them that these lying, shady crooks should be absolved and rewarded for their crimes. The sad thing is many officers and agents are honest and just, but idiots like Ramos and Compean give them a bad name.
The power to commute and pardon is law!
The first good news I’ve heard in a couple of weeks!
No crap. I’m talking about Ramos and Compean who neglected to follow the law.
Well, Bush didn’t give a full pardon like your impeached president Clinton and law breaker to people like FALN. I guess you must be proud of them, no?
And Bush didn’t hang out with and start his political “career” in the home of admitted domestic terrorist Bill Ayers like your pal Obama did.
Or hang out with racists like Rev. Wright.
Big difference in character. Maybe someday Obama may actually figure out what that is…on second thought, probably not.
We’ll see if you sing the same tune when Obama pardons Tony Rezko,Marion Barry, William Jefferson, and maybe even Michael Vick.
Not to mention ACORN!
lol
Somebody’s gotten their knickers in a knot!
Sometimes the law isn’t as good as common sense.
Speaking of pardons from Obama…
The Texas financier accused by the Securities and Exchange Commission Tuesday of “massive ongoing fraud” was a generous political donor who gave more heavily to Democrats
In your hilarious search for pointless moral equivalencies you miss the point.
I don’t give a crap about the sentences being commuted. I just can’t believe that many on this thread are defending the shooting of drug dealers in the back/butt, and the subsequent lies and coverup. I see it, but it’s it’s hard to believe. Some of you folks never cease to amaze me.
Looks like the new IL Senator Burris might need a pardon at some time. He lied under oath. And now he admits his lie.
Wait, that’s right, Democrats can do that and get away with it. Republicans resign and get convinced. Sorry…got confused there for a minute. Move along, nothing to see here.
Undresiege?
Never trust someone who can’t even spell their own nic correctly…
Umm….the prosecutor in this case lied and withheld information.
Undersiege, The trial transcripts are a lot of pages so they haven’t had time to read them.
BlameLiberalAmericaFirst, I know, Clinton bad bad man…..George’s only mistake was trading Sosa…..so that makes it OK to shoot a fleeing suspect in the back, cover up the shooting, and not report the shooting. Don’t worry, even if they can’t have guns, they can still where binoculars at their Minuteman outpost.
It doesn’t work that away, as you know. If you want to ignore the law or constitution and substitute YOUR idea of commons sense, then you gotta live with the consequences, i.e, 2 years in the joint, your career ruined, and tagged a convicted felon. I’ll take the “law” thanks. You can have your “common sense”, or AKA moral relativism.
Very true, I wouldn’t mind seeing that as well. The ultimate irony is, though, that if the border were already secured – as existing law requires… [sigh] – the entire ordeal would have never happened.
I’m glad they’re out. Let’s hope and work toward a full exoneration in the future.
I know. It wouldn’t matter to them though. LawnOrder, the constitution, they’ll pi!$ on it, if things don’t go their way.
So, it’s a bad thing to have the Minutemen watching our border when our own government won’t do the job?
If I lived near the border and I saw illegal activity — whether crossing the border or other acts of violence, drug smuggling, you think I’m not going to report that?
Are you one of those people who would walk away if you saw a crime being committed?
That’s pathetic. Then again, most liberals are.
Obama probably needs to pardon his cabinet first!
That’s just what he got from him last week when he skipped the stimulus vote.
Until you’ve been in a situation like Ramos and Compean were, you can’t comment on what they did or didn’t do wrong. Things happen fast when you’re under fire and people don’t always make the best decisions. Given that they were in a life or death situation with someone who would have no moral qualms about killing them, I think they did the best they could.
You don’t wonder at all about the motives of a prosecutor that offers a cross the border free card to a known drug runner in exchange for testimony against those who are here to protect us?
…in the mean time, the illegal drug runner was given immunity for his testimony. I think that is the part “WE” have a problem with.
Next up, some dude in AZ will get time and is being sued by 16 illegal trespassers.
Damn right we are a bit upset when felons entering our country get a pass.
A little late, but a good thing.
I am starting to think undersiege’s posts bear a remarkable resemblence to lgm’s liberal rants…
I would rather have Ramos and Compean covering my six than any liberal in uniform.
Ramos/Compean are real heros like our vets, not like the characters that associate with comrade clinton and mullato obama.
GSP
“This is Sparta!”
That’s how liberals work. They coddle terrorists and scum of the earth. Just like those that think the nice gentlemen in Gitmo need to have “rights”.
Give me a break.
Is that even possible?
Cornyn was his home state senator. But giving to Crooked Charlie Rangel, obviously that was where his interests were at.
Conservatism in Great Britain doomed…
It would seem the Tory mainstream is to the Left of our Specterite ‘Republicans’.
But I guess, shoe on the other foot, Obama rather rudely sent back a Churchill bust, a gift of the British government. I guess because Churchill opposed communism.
On February 17th, 2009 at 4:37 pm, John
I thought law enforcement was trained in how to react when things happen fast. And they were not “under fire” as the suspect was not armed.
And “fast” cannot excuse picking up their casings (wasn’t it 18 shots fired?)and not reporting the incident. It’s the cover up that gets you.
These are not the people I want protecting me.
Letting border patrol agents know that they were targets was Johnny Sutton’s goal all along when he decided to go after these excessive sentences.
Part II:
You mean lying under oath? I thought Clinton made that fashionable and the liberals defended it as not being a crime? So, what is your point again?
The sentence length was mandated by law. If you thinks its best to lower the sentences for felonies committed with a firearm, go ahead. I don’t think law enforcement will be on your side.
I hope someone can give these guys a job, and let them get their life started back. Unfortunately, the Conviction still on their records (Thanks Jorge Bush!!) will prevent them from getting many jobs…
Yet, he was still shot from behind. Fine, let’s give fairness to every point you made. NOTHING, NOTHING, excuses the subsequent lies and coverups. It’s shady and corrupt. They got off easy with two years. They should be thankful and begging for forgiveness.
Prosecutors make these types of deals every day. These were corrupt agents, and it’s best to secure a conviction to get them off the force, and make an example of them. I don’t think this drug runner has been offered citizenship status and a job at the local Walmart. His testimony was needed to bring the corruption to light.
If you want to take the tools of immunity away from proscutors, you’ll be living in a much, much more dangerous and corrupt nation.
Now, how long before you folks start bashing the jury for weighing the evidence and following the law.
George W. Bush’s political epitaph shouldn’t just include the fact that he turned his back on free market principles. It should also include the fact that he failed these two men when he didn’t pardon them two years ago.
Sickening.
I am thrilled for their families.
Take your strawmen and moral equivalencies somewhere else. Follow the thread, if you can. Are you saying that it’s ok to shoot a drug suspect in this manner from behind, and then subsequently lie to cover it up? Is that seriously what you’re saying, or are you just to wimpy too take a stand like on the Nancy Pelosi airplane crash thread?
I know Compean and Ramos were convicted but I am not convinced they actually committed a crime.
And certainly, if they committed a crime, they can’t be more guilty than Bill Ayers who did commit a crime and yet got away with it and without a day in jail.
Scooter Libby was convicted because his memory differed from the memory of the now deceased Tim Russert. I didn’t realize that was a crime but somebody does.
No, I am glad Ramos and Compean are free. I am sad they didn’t get a full pardon. I am outraged they were ever prosecuted to begin with.
And why in the world is Bill Ayers still walking around free with unlimited access to the President?
Right on. That’s what these folks here refuse to understand. Or they understand, but the thinking conflicts with their talking points, or sense of right and wrong.
Unflippinbelievable.
Oh well. These are the lessons that they can teach their kids.
DON’T FOLLOW THE LAW, FOLLOW YOUR OWN SENSE OF “COMMON SENSE”. AFTERWARDS, REMEMBER TO COVER YOUR TRACKS, COVERUP, AND LIE.
The drug runner used his cross the border free card to run drugs. You don’t think it would have been prudent to put some sort of restrictions on that card?
Sutton knew exactly what he was doing. Please don’t make him out to be some white knight protecting us from corruption within law enforcement. His entire purpose was to get Border Patrol agents to think twice before taking action.
As far as the “cover up”, they were probably trying to avoid the hassle of extra paperwork, not knowing they’d actually hit the scumbag.
The phony moral equivalence is the diet of the rigid conservative. Screw Bill Ayers. It’s a different state, in a different decade, with different prosecutors. Ayers should have died in prison. But, that’s not the point is it?
Bill Ayers has nothing to do with this case, but you folks are desperate, and can’t admit that these agents did ANYTHING wrong.
Pheww. Undre chuckles and shakes his head ruefully. Not my problem. I feel bad for the lessons your kids are learning from you all.
Hmm…kind of like what President Clinton did his entire career. Lie under oath, try to cover it up.
Boy, undre-educated sure is riled up defending drug dealers! Maybe we can get him/her/it to pop a blood vessel and spare us from future rants….
Actually, if this country had any stones, they’d declare armed mexican nationals illegally crossing the border an act of war.
Of all the US attorney’s that GW should have fired, he left Johnny Sutton in office.
Personally I hope these guys write a tell all book about how un-secure our borders are due to congress failing to do their job, and make a kabillion dollars.
Having been a security officer in the Air Force, I can say, it’s impossible to say how you would act in the same situation unless you are there. Darkness, fear, adrenalin, knowledge of the enemy. . . all factors that make you want to shoot first, ask questions after.
As someone else noted above, if the government would just secure the border, these guys wouldn’t have been in that position in the first place.
I am a conservative but these guys were bad actors who deserved what they got. No tears for them from me.
They should be thanking their lucky stars but Scooter Libby was betrayed. That is the sad story.
BlamemyrightwingtalkingpointsLast said:
Undre retorts:
Ok. You rightwingers are totally lame today. You aren’t even trying at this point. You know it’s a losing issue. I’ll go do some real work for a while.
The liberals are the ones saying we don’t need a border.
I wonder what they would think if we just opened up the borders and illegals and terrorists came across with a dirty bomb and detonated in their own backyards.
I’m betting they’d want that fence built pronto!
The United States has a duty to protect the CITIZENS of the country. Not to be coddling terrorists and giving “rights” to those who come here illegally.
John, I don’t want to pick on you, I urge you to view the transcripts of the case.
Committing a crime should not be excused by hassles of doing the paperwork. Law enforcement officers should not shoot unarmed, non threatening suspects in the back, and when they do I hope they are prosecuted and if found guilty, sentenced, and serve their time. I expect better from them.
Well, UnderIQed, you seem to have gotten part of my point. Like I said, I am not sure Compean and Ramos committed a crime. I know they were convicted. I am just not sure they commited a crime. I am not sure firing your weapon at a illegal alien drug dealer on US soil is a crime. At least I would hope it is not. If anything, these guys should have gotten a medal!
But Sutton proved he could indict a bologna sandwich and then browbeat a jury into a conviction. Somehow, that just doesn’t sound like justice to me. http://ramos-compean.blogspot.com/2006/12/how-is-it-that-our-president-will-sign.html.
These guys are in jail because somebody, somewhere wanted them in jail regardless of the facts.
And I would accuse of you playing the “moral equivalence” card but I rather doubt you know what it means.
Undreseige and Southcoast, is not paying taxes against the law? If it is you two look like a couple of idiots, you do realize that we now have cabinent mambers that have been breaking the law don’t you? Or does that not matter?
How about the hassles of learning how to use Turbo-Tax?
undresiege said:
There are many factors in this case, not the least of which was not following Border Patrol policy to report the shooting. Not reporting the incident was the root cause of all that followed.
Shooting someone in the back is not at all as bad as you think, given the situation where they were engaged with a drug smuggler that was fighting to get away.
Under your ROE, as long as the bad guy shoots, turns and runs away, the Agents can’t shoot back. So, the bad guy runs a little bit, turns back, shoot again, turns again and runs, no return fire is allowed. . . under your ROE. Lunacy.
Thing is, the Agents violated policy, clear and simple, they did not report the incident, however, they did NOT deserve the sentences they received. Not even close.
The prosecutor violated his rules and law by witholding evidence and suppressing the fact the drug smuggler was re-arrested for smuggling drugs while waiting to testify. That is wrong and would impeach whatever statement the smuggler would ever utter–I am confident a jury would have seen it that way.
The problem for the Agents was complicated by not being members of the BP union. I’m not a fan of Unions, for sure, but the Agents would have been afforded very comprehensive and able council if they had belonged.
After the incident with the Agents, nearly all Border patrol Agents not previously members of the Union joined, and they did so for self-protection.
Why be unarmed in a case where the prosecution will take the word of a drug smuggler over yours? Better arm yourself with the Union.
My son is a Border Patrol Agent along the southwest border and while the Agents understood the two Agents should receive some sort of sanctions, they were almost in revolt over the unfair prosecution and the zeal Sutton went after one of their own.
Blames Liberals:
You caught us. Yes all liberals don’t want to protect the borders, liberals are against the war on terror, liberals don’t serve in uniform, liberals don’t eat at Sonics on V-day,liberals want socialism, liberals are on welfare and food stamps, and oxycotin (Note: not all oxycotin addicts are liberal, but almost), liberals are all gay marrying, Hispanic, uninsured, irresponsible home buying, community organizing, aids carrying, unwashed hippie, ACORN vote frauding, atheist, muslim beheading, New Orleans living people who can’t swim.
With a voting block like that how are conservatives ever going to win an election. Now that Ramos and Campeon can’t vote.
What’s even more galling is that the drug smuggler filed a $5 million lawsuit against the federal government because his “rights” were violated.
Can someone explain how an illegal alien/drug smuggler has any rights in this country?
If those who are bad-rapping Ramos and Compean knew what they were talking about (and had actually followed the case) they would know the “crime” was committed at the orders of their superior, who told them what to do after the shooting.
Jorge Boosh should never have had to pardon these men, but he did because his pit bull, Johnny Sutton, was following Boosh’s orders to rack them up in the first place. And crimes were committed in doing so. Boosh, in turn, was doing what his amigos in Mexico City told him to do.
Dubya’s legacy will always be stained by this travesty of justice. For the good he did, he also proved himself to be a weak tool of his buddies from outside our borders.
Just remember Southcoast (AKA leftwingtalkingpoints), almost 60 million people didn’t vote for your savior — i.e., Carter’s 2nd term.
Work? You mean walk down to the bank and cash your welfare check?
Shame that wasn’t enough.
Darn, I left out “liberals don’t work”.
9.5 million spread isn’t really a landslide either considering “the One” spent nearly $700 million to buy his election.
“Yes all liberals don’t want to protect the borders”
Check. See this thread and the fact liberals fight against ICE deportations
“liberals are against the war on terror”
Check. Examples abound.
“liberals don’t serve in uniform”
Check, but better said as very VERY few liberals believe in defending the US at the cost of risking their life.
“liberals don’t eat at Sonics on V-day,”
Don’t know about that.
“liberals want socialism”
Check. Absolutely, as liberals punish the successful and coddle the lazy.
“liberals are on welfare and food stamps,”
Check. See above. Why get a job when the nanny state will take care of you.
“and oxycotin (Note: not all oxycotin addicts are liberal, but almost),”
Check.
“liberals are all gay marrying,”
Check. VERY few conservatives support homosexual “marriage.”
“Hispanic,”
Check. How many conservative voting Hispanics do you know?
“uninsured,”
Check. Illegals are very liberal, let the state cover the losses. After all, it is “government” money.
“irresponsible home buying,”
Check. Conservatives understand something called responsibility.
“community organizing,”
Check. See The One.
“aids carrying,”
Check.
“unwashed hippie,”
Check. By definition. . . .
“ACORN vote frauding,”
Double check.
“atheist,”
Check. This shows how open minded they are.
“muslim beheading,”
Ahhhh. . .what? How about “muslim worshipping.”
“New Orleans living people who can’t swim.”
Don’t know about that, but do know they didn’t have the sense to get out of the rain by getting out of town.
You know how liberals are. You can explain all day, but they stick to their script. undrewear and leftcoast will never see the truth because of the self righteous blinders they have on. They believe they are being noble, when if fact they are being naive.
And leftcoast, go ahead and pick on me. You’ll lose.
Some questions about the case:
Some commenters here have opined that Ramos and Compean deliberately covered this up, but I personally wonder about this section of the BPA handbook. If Ramos and Compean did, in fact, report the shooting to their supervisor and this is the rule (I’m still searching on this)… it does seem to be a bureaucratic issue and not a cover-up.
Also, the prosecution’s witness surgeon (who removed the bullet) testified that Aldrete-Davila was in the bladed position, didn’t he? That seems inconsistent with the “shot in back” argument.
Lastly, why did Mr. Sutton present Adelete as a one-time criminal?
While it seems as though Ramos and Compean could certainly have done a much better job of reporting the incident, it does seem as though they became a scapegoat for the debate over border security.
Should law enforcement be exempt from the law? Certainly not.
However, even the prosecutor has made a statement showing his “highest respect” for the decision to commute their sentence.
Good news in dark times. Let’s hope someday post-Obamessiah they’ll get full pardons.
The only thing those two could have done better was to better place their shots. Some people just need killin’ and that would apply to the illegal drug runner. He is a pox on society.
Well, this should continue to play out. If there is anything that I can’t stand it is the pure arrogance of Johnny Sutton. He has an attitude that he couldn’t possibly be wrong about anything. I’m just glad that these two agents are back with their families.
Being one that lives 150 miles from the border – I would rather have agents like these than to have one that is afraid of the consequences to pull the trigger when needed.
This is not justice. Give them back their rights… NOW…. I am glad they are free…. but they were robbed of rights. Screw the bastard that got his ass shot….
There is something about his manner that reminds me of Mike Nifong of Duke Lacrosse infamy.
Sutton (Bush’s tight buddyroo, let us not forget) convinced the judge to allow his to withhold evidence of Aldrete Davila’s previous (and subsequent) criminal activity from the jury.
Aldrete Davila was the only witness who testified that he was unarmed when the agents claimed he had a gun.
Sutton lied like Osama Obama and yet the appeals up to now have been turned down.
This kind of smarmy behavior is above Sutton’s pay grade. He needed help from above.
Southcoast, I was wondering if the guys had been trained to be out gunned and out numbered? I doubt that was the situation. Their training probably included on what to do on a normal border that is not facing an invasion of drug dealers and illegals everyday. I can’t think of a single nation in the world that lets its border go to crap like this southern one here. I am willing to bet that their training wasn’t enough and they have to put up with all this extra stress and I am speaking from the comfort of my own home and its hard for me to imagine what I would have done. People here are tired of these open border folks who live in gated communities and then have the gall to tell us not to mind how our neighborhoods have been run down, littered and tagged to death. I bet Nancy P., Harry R. and other advocates would change their tune if their backyard garage was tagged every other day.
Your lack of common sense and decency toward your fellow citizenry amazes me. You cannot see the difference between 2 sworn law officers (sworn to uphold and protect the constitution and our laws against the lawless) and a scumbag drug-dealer (who had illegally trespassed into a sovereign nation to commit his felonies by the way). Only after realizing that there may have been some procedural foul-ups, did they make what could be seen as potentially career ending mistakes in not properly documenting their actions. But, convicted felons? On the ‘sworn’ testimony of a piece of $hit drug-dealer who was given immunity! You were not there when the events transpired, nor was the judge or the prosecutor, so no one will ever really know. They should have at the worst had hearings and possibly suspensions or termination, if warranted by departmental rules but not felony convictions.
Personally, I could care less if they had blown his brains out and played slip ‘n’ slide in them. In fact that should be procedure for dealing with any scum-bag caught trying to bring drugs into our country.
According to trial testimony, the suspect was unarmed. At the scene after the shooting the defendants made no mention of the shooting or the suspect being armed to the seven other officers responding. Ramos was a trained member of the Sector Evidence Team and a firearms instructor Defendant Ramos was trained member of the Sector Evidence Team and a firearms instructor who teaches the discharge policy.(Which may explain why Ramos hit him with one shot, why Compeon missed with the first 15 who knows). After the stop all the agents new is that the suspect evaded their attempt to stop him, the drugs were found after the shooting. No other weapon was found.
At the time of Ramos shot he clearly new the suspect was not a threat and shot him from the rear, which is a violation of BP policy and federal law.
Both had been requalified in firearms and shooting policy on 02/16/2005, the day before the shooting.
I had not read the testimony and I believe people are upset with this situation is because illegals are coming over and littering and nothing is being done. The elites don’t care what happens because they are too far removed in their guilded homes and gated communities. People are just tired of the drug mess and the ever tiring tagging on every house and garage in their neighborhoods. Some places in Los Angeles the police won’t even go into and people fear the violence will expode on this side of the border soon.
To all the righteous liberals and your comments you are totally missing the point to this case:
Besides the obvious lawyer plays of getting evidence withheld due to it being prejudicial against the drug dealer; his former dealings including the ONE just before the trial, which happens all the time,the reason the judge was REQUIRED BY LAW to sentence them to more than 10 years for what should have been nothing more than administrative leave, was because SUTTON charged them with “using a firearm in the commission of a crime”.
Let me repeat that: Using a firearm in the commission of a crime. DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS CASE TO EACH, EVERY, AND ALL LEO’S??? THEY were NOT committing the crime–Aldrete was committing the crime and Ramos and Compean used their firearms.
The law was written to force judges to sentence criminals to a minimum of ten years when a gun was used IN COMMITTING THE CRIME. It was NOT intended to include the responding LEO. Now do you understand why this situation has totally convoluted this particular law and the future implecations???
Slightly OT: The only person who said Aldrete didn’t have a gun was Aldrete. In an interview with Aldrete-Davila’s mother SHE stated she knew her son was a drug runner and that he ALWAYS carried a small gun with him when he was running drugs.
The doctor that removed the bullet said the trajectory of the bullet indicated that Aldrete was turned to the side when he was shot–why would he do that–because his arm was raised and he had his arm up pointing backwards–gee, do you think that was because he had a gun and was shooting back towards the agents?? nahhhhhh!!! Even looking backwords would NOT have allowed the bullet to enter in the way it did.
By the judge, first, allowing Sutton to charge Ramos and Compean with that law it also opens the door to every other police officer that pulls a gun to protect themselves against criminials. THEN, by sentencing them UNDER that law it further enforces the insane notion that any LEO could be charged with the same “crime”.
God forbid that any BP agent thinks twice about using their weapons, paltry as they are compared to the zetas, because of what happened to Ramos and Compean, because the slightest hesitation will cause somebody’s death!
These men should have never spent one minute in jail let alone in a court room and I hope to God that they will be totally vindicated and their rights restored immediately!!!! Iam so glad they are back with their families again.