The Vatican’s smackdown of Pelosi
The Pope’s rebuke of pro-abortion Catholic Nancy Pelosi was diplomatically worded, of course.
But as transparent as Scotch tape.
Pelosi’s response?
Blink, blink. Blink.
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More from Ed Morrissey:
Message from Benedict: Study more. And he sent another message as well — that those with higher positions have higher responsibilities not to formally cooperate with the sin of abortion. That message undoubtedly was intended not just for Pelosi but for the entire class of Catholic politicians who support abortion rights, like Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, and Joe Biden, among others.
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It won’t change a thing. Pelosi is a hopeless case. The only thing we can hope for with her is her defeat!!
Unfortunately, that’s not likely in her district. But if the Repubs (or another truly conservative party) take over the majority of seats, at least she won’t be Speaker any more. What a disgrace.
Unfortunately I agree. Remember, the Pope is only useful when he comments on something liberals like…
Pelosi won’t listen to him. I still wish she, and every other “Catholic” politician who supported abortion rights (plus euthanasia, or “assisted suicide” and embryonic stem cell research) were excommunicated.
The rebuke, of course, relies on the effect of shame. Pelosi has none, so the rebuke will have the same effect as the criticism of Pelosi’s obsequious trip to Syria. Tool.
EQ…
I agree. No matter what The Magisterium does, the left will whine and cry… so I say follow the law of the Magisterium, along with the faith and tradition and excommunicate them.
I’m glad that the Pope rebuked her regarding abortion.
It would have been nice to see him also rebuke her for lying about what the Bible says.
Good for His Holiness, the spiritual leader of our Sister Church!
Nancy Pelosi doesn’t give a crap about the unborn or what the pope think. She’s pure evil. The woman openly declares we need to murder more unborn children to help the freakin’economy. Pelosi will burn in hell like every other pro-abortion supporter.
Yes. The ultimate goal of the (theological) left is to take the Catholic Church and get rid of anything that makes it, well, Catholic.
Which is why Pope Benedict has them in such a frenzy…he’s trying to undo all the liturgically abusive and theologically heretical things they did in the “spirit” of Vatican II.
will the bishops in the US now ban her from communion? This could get even better.
Does Pelosi have eyelids?
For a few yuks, check out the (I believe it’s called) “Separated at Birth” section at Laura Ingraham’s website.
Nancy Pelosi looks just like Wallace of “Wallace & Gromit”; just like a lemur; and one or two others.
Hilarious….
Thank you, Pope Benedict! I know it will mean absolutely nothing to the Botox Klingon, but it sure made ME feel better, being a lifelong Catholic and all….
Good Lord, who DOES that woman’s makeup????
The language was a touch too diplomatic for my taste.
One bit of bad news, I checked, Holy Trinity Church in Washington, DC, the one most Catholic or CINO politicians attend, has Jesuit priests, and they are by far the most left-wing of any religious order in the church. During JPII’s term, he spent a fair amount of time trying to reign them in.
They consider themselves the intellectuals of the church, have had members (Drinan D-Massachusetts) in Congress before JPII threatened to defrock him if he didn’t stand down, and a Jesuit priest was on Daniel Ortega Saavedra’s ruling Sandanista junta back in the 80s.
So they won’t hear much about the protection of life at the local church.
Being Catholic, I can attest the church is not as monolithic as people would assume, and the bishop of the local diocese and even the pastor of the local church can mean the tone and message from church to church may not always be as consistent as I’d like.
Is it to late to have Pelosi’s mother get an extreamly late term abortion? Like say at 720 months or so? I would support THAT abortion.
I wonder if she would like to be left alone in a dirty laundry closet for a few weeks, naked, cold, and crying?
And that’s how far off? Think of how mu
Sorry about that. Computer glitch.
Think about how much evil they’ve accomplished already. And multiply it up until tne next election.
Yes, it does seem pretty bleak at this time. In my opinion, these last few weeks have been an time of unprecedented evil coming from Washington.
If you are a praying person, you may want to do so. Things can change.
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San Fran Nan shouldn’t worry about what the Pope thinks–her views play well in Frisco. She should worry about what she will tell God when we all stand before him on judgement day.
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No good Christian of any faith can support ABORTION (aka “choice”). I don’t think any good Jew or Muslim can either. God’s views on the sanctity of life resound loud and clear in the Bible.
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John Bibb
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Auggie: Like a friend of mine who, while serving as a Boulder police officer said when apprehending a suspect he often wanted to use the phrase, “Freeze, or I’ll make your birth control retroactive!”
Hear, hear.
Wonder what the Pope had to say about the Homosexual ‘http://images.google.com/images?q=folsom%20street%20fair%20pictures&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wiheld in Nancy’s district?
Sorry for the above post. Here is another try.
Wonder what the Pope had to say about the Homosexual ‘Folsom Street Fair’, held in Nancy’s district?
She got her photo op with the Pope, so she could care less what he says about her.
It’s a crying shame that true evil like Pelosi’s and Obama’s ideas on abortion can be so obviously wrong yet be aided, abetted, and fostered by so many.
She and her ilk are CINOs…Catholics/Christians In Name Only.
There, English Queen, I fixed it for you.
San Fran Nan, et. al., don’t understand what God, or the Bible, says because they never read it. They only believe the Church when it agrees with what they think.
They’ve certainly never read this verse:
2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
Nancy was shocked to discover there are those who believe that just like the Constituion, the Bible is not a “living document.”
“But, but, I am the Speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives. My views are themselves the equivalento of Holy Writ. How could anyone dispute my views?”
As noted by my fellow posters, Nan, God doesn’t care who you are, but WHAT you are.
But some good news. Today, North Dakota’s House passed a bill giving the rights of personhood to fertilized eggs, essentially outlawing abortion.
Little steps in the right direction.
Wow. That was even more intense than the Catholic Church’s smackdown on child-molesting priests. No, I’m not trying to post flame-bait… I’m serious. When was the last time the Catholic Church (the hierarchy not the masses, pun intended) took a strong stand against evil? They’re more politically correct than your average Whole Foods customer.
Rather, for Pelosi and Company, politics is religion.
That seems quite a mouthful to get out when you are in a high tension situation.
Nevermind the fact it doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t have to be “your mother’s” or “your “father’s” or maybe “your parent’s” birth control.
This will not bother her puny conscience one iota. She and all the other “pro-choice” politicians will ultimately face up to this crime of abortion.
I was just thinking…Her and the others’ punishment might be to have to change the diapers of all of those aborted while she supported it here. I’ll leave the rest of that thought unsaid. It is too graphic to post.
On February 18th, 2009 at 10:21 am, MtsEdge said:
The only thing we can hope for with her is her defeat!!
Unfortunately, that’s not likely in her district. But if the Repubs (or another truly conservative party) take over the majority of seats, at least she won’t be Speaker any more. What a disgrace.
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I’m certainly hoping for another “Republican Revolution” along the lines of Clinton’s middterms in 2010.
Speaker Pelosi, I would love to see you out in public with ashes proudly displayed on your forehead next Wednesday.
Thanks for the news, englishqueen!
Which is why there are 35,000 different denominations. Each is free to believe what it deems theologically sound. I don’t agree with a lot of it, either theologically or from a natural moral law perspective. But I completely agree that anyone who follows Christ cannot logically make the argument Christ is in favor of, condones, or is passive toward abortion.
My point was there is a vocal minority in the Catholic Church that seeks to get rid of the Church’s teachings on abortion/contraception (and our views on contraception tend to be rather limited to Catholicism), marriage and divorce, worship and liturgy, and the all-male celibate priesthood…which essentially negates the Eucharist because only a male priest, acting in persona Christi, can consecrate the bread & wine into Christ’ Body & Blood.
Again, I don’t disagree that anyone identifying themselves as Christian has an obligation to defend the lives of the unborn…however, it seems as if there’s an extra special effort to do anything and everything to undermine Catholic teaching and overthrow the Church to recreate it in their own image.
Politicians like Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy et. al. only give these dissenters the nerve to continue on, rather than do the honest thing and break away…
Of course, then they’d just have their own community and they’d no longer be self-proclaimed brave and noble radicals fighting the big, evil Catholic Church and its repressive patriarchal heirarchy. Which is what makes breaking away less than appealing.
frostrt, me, too! But that Revolution must include a return to conservatism, or it is all for naught.
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:27 am, MtsEdge said:
I’m certainly hoping for another “Republican Revolution” along the lines of Clinton’s middterms in 2010.
frostrt, me, too! But that Revolution must include a return to conservatism, or it is all for naught.
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RINO’s need not apply.
P.S.: How’s it goin’?
I’ll be the first to admit Vatican PR sucks. They need to hire on people who know communications and mass media. Which would have helped.
However, the Church – especially in areas where Catholics are repressed or persecuted – has always treaded lightly. For example, during WWII, the Church (to the eternal dissatisfaction of some) didn’t ratchet up the rhetoric in regards to the Third Reich because doing so would threaten Catholic priests, laity, and the Pope – many of whom aided and hid Jews and other “undesirables” persecuted by the Nazis.
It was wiser to be, as you say, politically correct than verbally bold and risk undermining the more important work of saving lives.
The Church has taken far greater steps to prevent further abuse than, say, public schools – which have a much higher rate of sexual and physical abuse than the Church ever did. It is the fault of lackluster PR that doesn’t get this message out.
Many of the laity would like to see a better-run PR system, but, ultimately, PR pales in comparison to theology which is why a majority of Catholics are Catholic.
Given the leftist shift in political policy, both in Europe and now (sadly) the US, fully expect more open and rampant persecution of Catholics and our fellow conservative Christians in the name of “tolerance” and “diversity”…
The Vatican, and the USCCB, will have to tread lightly because there are some on the left itching to find an excuse to shut us down and throw us in jail.
Yes, No More RINOs! They do more harm to the cause of conservatism than if they were just honest enough to become Dems.
Pretty good here! Keeping the faith. Praying for our country’s well-being.
How about with you?
On February 18th, 2009 at 11:35 am, MtsEdge said:
RINO’s need not apply.
Yes, No More RINOs! They do more harm to the cause of conservatism than if they were just honest enough to become Dems.
#39On February 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am, frostrt said:
P.S.: How’s it goin’?
Pretty good here! Keeping the faith. Praying for our country’s well-being.
How about with you?
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Same goes for me. It’s a relatively warm day (for mid-February) here in MO with temps predicted to drop later and a possibility of snow for Saturday morning, last I saw.
I’m ready for spring!
Nancy’s response: “WE WON”
Why didn’t the Pope say Nancy was dragging us all to hell by making us pay for those abortions?
Why does the Pope have to use diplomatic language to deliver this denunciation? SF Nan uses highly un-diplomatic language when she spews her pro-abortion rhetoric. No more Mr. Nice Conservative.
Because, sadly, folks who share Pelosi’s religious ideologies don’t concieve of the notion of hell. They believe everyone will go to Heaven because God wouldn’t let anyone go to Hell.
However, this begs the question: if God is so merciful, wouldn’t He respect someone’s decision to consciously break and disobey His laws? Wouldn’t He allow someone to use their free will to choose not to have a relationship with Him? And wouldn’t He respect that decision for all eternity? Because Hell is more than fire and brimstone – it is eternal separation from God.
If someone chooses in this life not to have a relationship with God, why would God want to force a relationship with Him on them in death?
As someone else said we do have free will but we will answer for the choices we make at the end of all things. Pelosi clearly doesn’t recognize that.
This Morning Imus in the Morning,
Laura Ingraham was great this morning, I love her Nancy Pelosi imitation.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/02/laura-ingraham-brings-pain.html
The Pope may have used a little more direct language than a press release written by the PR people might indicate.
Why is it that liberal politicians like to call themselves catholic (especially when campaigning), yet support policies that go against what the church teaches? I think of how they compared Obama to Jesus during the campaign. Yet if someone prayed to Jesus in a public school, these same liberals would fly through the roof.
???
She’s a Ferengi, not a Klingon. Klingon’s have honor… Sorry about the trekie fit, please continue….
The Ferengi are capitalists, not Marxists.
I thinking she’s more Romulan than Ferengi.
I think she’s more of a squidlike bug eyed monster. They haven’t had the episode yet.
I am underwhelmed.
I’m not Catholic, so I don’t pretend to understand their hierarchy, but doesn’t the Pope have the authority to lay the smack down within the Catholic church?
I wished he had flipped over a tables and whipped Nancy Pelosi! The Catholic church is supposed to be a house of prayer, but you have turned it into a den of baby-killers!
Who will rebuke the Pope for allowing the Catholic Church to participate in the violation and undermining of our nation’s immigration laws?
I left the Catholic church and although I’m glad Pelosi was rebuked on abortion, I frankly think the Catholic church (and others) should lose tax exempt status for politiking. The council of catholic bishops aids illegal aliens and is therefore itself, in violation of Federal law.
You forget that Pelosi doesn’t speak for all Catholics and that not all of us are abortion advocates. There are many good, faithful parishes and Catholics who fight abortion with every fiber of their being.
And it could logically be said because the Pope rebuked a politician regarding abortion, he’s “politiking” and should lose his tax-exempt status, too. Same for any other pro-life church. So don’t ask for something when you don’t fully understand the consequences.
The Catechism is clear on immigration. Nations are to help, to the extent they are able, immigrants seeking a better life. On the flip side of the coin, immigrants are to be productive, law-abiding citizens of America.
I’m sure you’re referring to the feeding and sheltering of illegal immigrants. Just because someone is illegally here doesn’t mean their basic needs should be denied them. End of discussion.
Pelosi (and BHO) opposes Born Alive Infant Protection legislation. She should be publically excommunicated and then burned at the stake.
Has Miss Face Lift of the year commented on this?
I don’t know, Borg comes to mind, you know, living and thinking and acting as one, no tolerance for differing views…
I am not Catholic, but I would be more impressed if the Pope had refused to give her Communion. Or was this just a meeting, without any of the Church rituals?
This was just about a 15-minute meeting. Closed to media and photographers.
But I agree a directive from the Vatican explicitly forbidding Catholic politicians who support abortion from receiving the Eucharist is in order.
I don’t think that SKANK,traitor cares.All she cares about is her wealth.She will have to live with what she did to get it.
George Weigel, the Catholic writer, has a great take on it. I love this part of it:
“Charity requires that one concede the possibility that genuine piety was a part of Pelosi’s (rather boorish, and certainly irregular) insistence on being given a private moment with the pope during her current taxpayer-funded junket to Rome. But her office’s statement on today’s meeting makes it clear something else was afoot: that Pelosi, who shamelessly trumpets her “ardent” Catholicism while leading congressional Democrats in a continuing assault on what the Catholic Church regards as the inalienable human rights of the unborn, was trying to recruit Benedict XVI (“Joseph Ratzinger, D., Bavaria”?) to Team Nancy.
His Holiness wasn’t buying it.”
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=M2FmOTYwNDBiNjU4NWM0Nzg3NDMwZDBiNmI5MWUzZWY=
People like Pelosi baffle me.
If you adhere to a religion it follows that you believe its teachings to be instructions from God. If that’s what you believe then how can you defy one of its central teachings? I mean, this isn’t a case of skipping mass a couple of times, this is mortal sin territory (if I’m mistaken on that please correct me).
If she doesn’t believe that the Catholic Church represents the will of God then why bother with it? If you don’t believe in it then the rituals are just a waste of time.
And it’s not like the people of San Francisco would stop supporting her if she came out as an athiest. So why pay lip service to something she obviously doesn’t believe in?
Rhetorical question, obviously, but I’ve wondered for a long time now.
I think even the Pope missed the point. Liberals do not think a baby is a baby until:
Baba Boxer said until it goes home from the hospital.
Slick Clinton, during his last three days in office, signed a bill declaring a new born baby is still a fetus.
I have heard people here say “until it takes a breath” or “viable” (when ever that is but the liberals want to decide).
As long as liberals think it is a blob of cell and not living (which make no sense since that blob of cells is living) it is fair game to vacuum it from the womb. Hell, it is now (once again, thanks Obama) permissible to pierce a baby’s skull and vacuum its brains out. It is all very sick.
This is where the Pope misses the mark. He should be cleaning house from top to bottom and then, he should talk about it. The Pope should declare it is a baby from the beginning and everyone in the church leadership should support that decision or leave and they refuse, the church should force them out. Simply telling Pilose and her kind is a waste of time.
One weakness in that analogy is that the Borg learn from their mistakes and adapt very quickly. Liberals keep doing the same stuff over and over again no matter how many times it fails.
Catholics yell and scream in opposition of abortion, yet many voted for the baby-killing Democrats Nov.
Can someone explain how they justify this action?
It was “Christians” across the board but yeah, your point is taken. I saw a car a couple of days before the election with “Jesus loves you”, “Abortion is murder” and “Obama/Biden ’08″ bumper stickers.
What do you say to a person like that? Like telling Pilose abortion is wrong – pointless.
soap-box ~
Exactly my point! (I didn’t mean to single out Catholics, but their pro-life voice is much stronger than other denominations.)
I’ve observed the same moral conflict displayed in my neck of the woods.
All we can do is pray that they see the truth!
Hmmm…
Mar 8:36 For what does it profit
a manPelosi to gain the whole world and forfeithisher soul?Mar 8:37 For what can
a manPelosi give in return forhisher soul?Mar 8:38 For whoever is ashamed (or misrepresents) of me and of my words in this adulterous (and child-murdering) and sinful generation, of
himher will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”Foolish Nancy, it would behoove you to accept the rebuke and repent of your evil ways. Excommunication would be a show of mercy, unlike say Islam, where the punishment would be terminal.
One of the many reasons I’m proud to be Catholic is the extreme nature of our political incorrectness. While most Christian denominations would have been shocked at the use of birth control sixty years ago, it is the Catholic Church who stands alone against the current of popular beliefs that says that in this day and age it’s OK. I know my views on the death penalty aren’t popular in conservative circles (I believe that executions should only take place when prison walls cannot stop a man’s ability to commit heinous crimes against innocent people), the Catholic Church has taken an intellectually honest and undeniably pro-life stance on this issue.
You might point to certain individuals’ harboring of illegals in the name of Catholicism to argue my point, but those people aren’t following the teaching of the Church magisterium. I’d gladly give an illegal the shirt off my back while I dialed INS. As Christians, we are called to follow the law.
Generally, the Church is far more politically incorrect than her Protestant brethren, in my opinion.
Those are what are commonly referred to as “Cafeteria Catholics”, as in the ones who think that they can pick and choose from the church’s teachings only those that appeal to them. They rationalize to themselves about the other liberal “feel good” policies being more important than just being a “one issue” voter.
Just my opinion, I could be wrong, but I’m not one of them.
On-my-soap-box said:
I take my daughter to a conservative Christian pre-school/private school. In the parking lot the other day, I saw a car (presumably of a parent picking up their kid) with an Obama sticker. Seeing stuff like that really makes me furious. Why go through the trouble of putting your kid in a Christian school while endorsing a baby-killer?
On-my-soap-box said:
This is why I don’t understand why the Pope did what he did. There is no ambiguity with who Pelosi is.
The reason why I’m putting this at the feet of Catholics isn’t to pick on Catholics. I get angry with anyone that tries to reconcile Christianity with abortion on demand. But not all Christian groups have a hierarchy or a Pope. Why isn’t the Catholic hierarchy doing more?
I could understand why it isn’t practically possible to deny communion to everyone who voted for a pro-abortion candidate, but to let an open book like Pelosi get away with a slap on the wrist?
Because they incorrectly believed there were other issues more important. In this case, they put the economy before the lives of their brothers and sisters in the womb.
The non-negotiables of Catholic teaching are clear, and render it pretty much immoral to vote for most Democrats, but unless priests are going to escort their parishioners into the voting booth, some are just not going to listen.
Soap Box and rightwingmom,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. The idea of any Christian, particularly a Catholic (since I am Catholic), voting for Mr. Obama is appalling to me. How can that person justify his or her position?!
I can’t explain it except to say that for a lot of people, politics and what they THINK will help their own bottom line is trumping what their faith should tell them is dead wrong.
Jesus talks about some day separating the wheat from the chaff, and the sheep from the goats. There are goats and chaff in every church, I suppose.
I thank God for my unapologetically and unabashedly conservative, Catholic church.
Barack Obama, with the aid of an eager national media, pulled off the truly amazing trick of convincing people that he stood for what they stood for.
One of my co-workers is a gun-owning Catholic, strongly anti-abortion and an opponent of big government. Another is a pro-choice, pro-Israel Jew who believes in gun control. And both these people supported Obama with the absolute conviction that he represented their views, and neither of them had any desire to find out if their impressions reflected reality.
Good sound bites and lazy voters. That’s your answer.
This is doing more. Much like a doctor spends time with his ill patients, rather than the healthy ones, the Pope (any priest, really) has an obligation to counsel sinners.
The Pope’s other duty is to hold in unity the Catholic Church. So while I readily admit that I’d welcome the excommunication of unrepentant abortion supporters like Pelosi, I also understand that this meeting is a step on the process.
He’s giving Pelosi time to change her heart and mind about abortion. If she chooses to, end of discussion. If she chooses not to, the consequences are on her head.
Also, given the very anti-Christian climate in Europe and America, it would not behoove the Catholic Church (or any church) to get too in-your-face to politicians. I do not have difficulty forseeing the UN, the EU, or Congress passing legislation restricting our freedom of religion if we crossed too many lines. If Democrats are going after conservative talk radio, conservative religious are next.
Regardless of how they might couch it, or how they might identify themselves with this or that religious system, the heathens have been sacrificing their children for many thousands of years, and as unfortunate as it is, its not likely that they will be deterred any time soon. They have caused their consciences to be seared and scarred over so they don’t even realize its wrong any more. They think it’s a “freedom of choice”.
However, as always our Creator God has the last word as He takes the spirits of those sinless aborted ones directly into His presence in heaven and then deals with the aborters in His time. They can say they don’t believe but truth disbelieved is nonetheless truth.
Likewise with the Jews.
Hussein – not Sadam, his namesake- said two years ago that Israel would no longer enjoy the status that they have had with the U.S. And that’s already beginning to show – the invitation to the Hamas “refugees” to emigrate here on our dollar.
Yet many many of the Jews voted for him anyway.
Go figure.
englishqueen01 said:
Does the Pope think Pelosi hasn’t had time to learn/change her mind? She was rebuked by bishops some time ago. She is who she is.
Talking in private for 15 minutes isn’t going to change anything. I still don’t see why he didn’t make an example of her. Politely rebuking her in a private chit-chat is only going to bring about more of the same.
Would there be a huge fall out if the Pope openly excommunicated her, Biden, and company? You betcha, it would cause a lot of turmoil. But surely it would make the Catholic church stronger in the long run, much like if the Republicans would manage to purge all RINOs. It would really hurt in the short term, but would be awesome down the stretch.
You come through again except I have been calling them stupid voters for a year now.
Of course, you are more subtile then I!
You forgot about his ability to massively outspend McCain due to his broken promise on campaign finance.
chapoutier said:
Eh, the more I think about that election, the more I am convinced it was mainly about not belonging to the same party as Bush. Obama was discovered to go to a racist church, is friends with terrorists, and is a Marxist, and it had no impact on the polls whatsoever.
Aw, darn, I was hoping for the ol’ bell, book, and candle.
And she only met with her bishop on Feb. 8, months after his invitation.
I don’t disagree, but as I said elsewhere, this is “due diligence” – I believe excommunications will come, but the Vatican will have ample evidence to say Pelosi (or whoever) was warned.
I think so. But given the deep hatred for Catholics (and all conservative Christians) that seems to be the only acceptable prejudice these days, just how bad can bad be? I have no qualms about seeing the UN, EU, or Congress declaring the Vatican (and by extension, all Catholics) a terrorist group or some other such language to justify open hostilities toward us.
The fact that Pelosi was “unavailable for comment” following the meeting speaks volumes about what went down. And it wasn’t to Pelosi’s liking.
Since abortions are mentioned on this thread, it is only fitting to throw in Obama’s:
Broken promise on campaign finance
No earmarks
Salary caps
Choice for VP
I did not attend church with that bigot
Hope ‘n Change
Tax cheats make good cabinet members
We will not do business as usual
Feel free to add other BHo abortions.
This woman is really dense. First of all, there was no one there to explain to her exactly what the Pope was saying. Awed by the experience, I’m sure all she heard was “Ciao, Madame Speaker,” then “blah, blah blah, blah-h-h-h…” Followed quickly by her inner voice saying, “Huh?”
At least when she met with the President of Syria (yeah, right…only one POTUS at a time), she avail herself the services of an interpreter, and I suppose a note taker. Even then, it is doubtful she fully understood their “exchange of ideas.”
Secondly, she has one of the lowest approval ratings in Congress, her book has been a flop (written by a ghost writer, no less), she has jumped whole-hog in to the “global warming” hysteria, has lied to, or mislead the U.S. citizens about “her” intentions, and yet she has the gall, the chutzpah to travel to Rome to “be honored” (according to the MSM) by the Pope, when in reality, she went there to receive a Papal slap down. (As my three year old granddaughter is wont to say, “Burn!”)
San Fran Nan is truly “Clueless in Chlamydia-ville!” She fiddles around in Rome, while San Francisco Bay is experiencing a massive 30,000 gallon sewage spill into it’s waters. This is tragic, but not unforeseen. Apparently, flowing excrement is no longer just limited to the mouths of the SF nutcases, the liberal city leadership, or the Office of the Democrat Speaker of the House’s office.
Uhhh…the Pope is German. i don’t think he’d be throwing the “Ciaos” around.
When in Rome…
An “ability” that seems to now be locked in the “on” position with massive spending bills.
Ahh…but technically not…
Geographically speaking, if not nationally.
…but come on! It’s not often that phrase is so contextually relevant.
Catholics who formally cooperate with abortion ipso facto are excommunicated. This means that Pelosi is, in fact, excommunicated currently; she did it to herself with her own voting record.
What the Magisterium needs to do is discipline the priests who give communion to such people, and that the Holy Father has a much freer hand on.
Personally, I think that Pelosi was just miffed because His Holiness said, ‘Nancy who?’
*I’m all for the Pope trying to set Nazi Pelosi straight on abortion, but the Catholic Church has no cred with me as they are strong advocates for illegal aliens and amnesty, which is on a par with the islamists and their sharia law as a means of destroying our Constitutional Republic.
*Abortion requires but one question of an individual:”Was your mother right in giving birth to you(answer that Katie Couric)?”;If the answer for you is yes, then it is yes for all.
bjc: Since the immigration issue is not non-negotiable, you can have many different points of view on it, and be Catholic.
I myself have the view that a country has the right to restrict immigration to those who wish to enrich that country. This is in keeping with Catholic doctrine because it is eminently arguable that no one can support an arbitrary number of people indefinitely, and also that virtue cannot be coerced.
Now, it is true that there are those who believe that illegal immigration is all right in the Church. However, I tend to see people with that view as also having incorrect views on non-negotiable issues, such as abortion.
Ulthwithian:The Catholic Church aids and abets criminality in that they strongly advocate for illegal aliens and their widespread lawbreaking; We are a nation of laws starting with the 1st amendment that allows for the Catholic Church; They can’t have it one way on abortion and another on an obvious illegal activity; They are both absolute truths to me and why I no longer attend.
If you disagree with the Catholic Church, bjc, that is your choice. However, you cannot state that the Church is inconsistent. People _within_ the Church may have differing opinions. EQ quite nicely summed up the point of the Church’s position. There are rights and responsibilities on both sides. I agree with you on what those rights and responsibilities are in the instance of illegal immigration. However, unless you can show a _doctrinal_ issue on illegal immigration, you cannot state unequivocally that one position is correct, and another is not.
(If you’re going to try, might I suggest starting with ‘Thou Shalt Not Steal’.)
Here is the link to Nancy Pelosi’s official statement about her audience with the Pope.
Hmmm…She doesn’t mention the Pope’s lesson about the dignity of human life.
Do you think we should believe Nancy Pelosi’s description of the meeting or the Pope’s description?
When will the citizens of San Francisco realize how often Nancy Pelosi distorts the truth?
The majority of the people in Pelosi’s district are just like her. They wouldn’t know the truth even if you smacked them in the head with it!!
For those of us who are not Catholic, the Pope is just another person. This particular guy just rehabilitated a guy who denies the Holocaust. He has a history of protecting sex offenders at the expense of more sex offense. He clearly is against abortion.
Being rebuked by the Pope for one’s position on abortion does not make one a bad person or refute one’s position on abortion. Pelosi, like Kennedy, Roberts, Kerry, and other high US officials, has a duty to put her personal views before those of the Pope.
When she is following her personal views that are polar opposite from the church, she shouldn’t portray herself as being a devout Catholic.
That’s about as bad as a jew supporting a candidate that doesn’t support Israel.
Pure ownage.