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		<title>By: BizzyBlog &#187; Lucid Links of the Day (022409, Morning)</title>
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		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog &#187; Lucid Links of the Day (022409, Morning)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 12:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Real Estate Information &#187; Michelle Malkin » Rest of the story: Obama’s discount home loan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Real Estate Information &#187; Michelle Malkin » Rest of the story: Obama’s discount home loan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] posted here: Michelle Malkin » Rest of the story: Obama’s discount home loan  February 20th, 2009 &#124; Tags: angry-renters, northern-trust, obama, photos, power-line, president, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: vickisoup</title>
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		<dc:creator>vickisoup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know two people, unrelated to one another, who cake-walked through Chapter 13 bankruptcy this month. CAKE-walked. Both had used their homes like an ATM machine, draining every penny of equity nearly the minute it was earned. Each was able to completely discharge their HELOC&#039;s as well as their combined $175k in other unsecured consumer debt. Together they will average a 75% windfall for their hangnail&#039;s worth of pain, saddling the taxpayers with the fallout. Both are now worried....worried that, by ridding themselves of that pesky HELOC, their home loans may no longer be higher than their homes&#039; values so that they may be inelligible for the newest bailout.
Shame on them both. Shame on them both. I hate to repeat myself, but SHAME ON THEM BOTH. 
They will not be receiving Christmas cards from me this year, and I am having a very hard time hiding my resentment. Welcome to Obama&#039;s America, where relationships are destroyed, babies are killed, and Acorn thugs break into homes they don&#039;t own. 
And today marks only one month of this administration. 
:mad:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know two people, unrelated to one another, who cake-walked through Chapter 13 bankruptcy this month. CAKE-walked. Both had used their homes like an ATM machine, draining every penny of equity nearly the minute it was earned. Each was able to completely discharge their HELOC&#8217;s as well as their combined $175k in other unsecured consumer debt. Together they will average a 75% windfall for their hangnail&#8217;s worth of pain, saddling the taxpayers with the fallout. Both are now worried&#8230;.worried that, by ridding themselves of that pesky HELOC, their home loans may no longer be higher than their homes&#8217; values so that they may be inelligible for the newest bailout.<br />
Shame on them both. Shame on them both. I hate to repeat myself, but SHAME ON THEM BOTH.<br />
They will not be receiving Christmas cards from me this year, and I am having a very hard time hiding my resentment. Welcome to Obama&#8217;s America, where relationships are destroyed, babies are killed, and Acorn thugs break into homes they don&#8217;t own.<br />
And today marks only one month of this administration.<br />
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		<title>By: Not Much News [Dan Collins]</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Much News [Dan Collins]</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 16:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Related: So, to sum: Yes Barack Obama did receive a special below-market loan the rest of us couldn’t get. And a big “no” to the idea that he ought to be held accountable for it. Upset? So are we.   Posted by Dan Collins @ 9:10 am &#124; Trackback SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &quot;Not Much News [Dan Collins]&quot;, url: &quot;http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=14366&quot; });&#160;&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Related: So, to sum: Yes Barack Obama did receive a special below-market loan the rest of us couldn’t get. And a big “no” to the idea that he ought to be held accountable for it. Upset? So are we.   Posted by Dan Collins @ 9:10 am | Trackback SHARETHIS.addEntry({ title: &#8220;Not Much News [Dan Collins]&#8220;, url: &#8220;http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=14366&#8243; });&nbsp;&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: nostradamslives</title>
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		<dc:creator>nostradamslives</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 04:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OBAMA has gotten EVERYTHING in his life...handed to him.
Of course a &quot;goverment oversight agency&quot; would not find &quot;Obama guilty&quot; of...anything because then the general public will SEE that &quot;behind the curtain, and the smoke/mirrors&quot; is a SMALL man pulling strings/handles just like in the Wizard of Oz. Except in this case it is the HANDLERS of Obama and the MONEY CHANGERS like Soros (admitted Nazi helper during the War).
Pathetic yet not surprising (sadly).
Jeffrey Schrembs, American Citizen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBAMA has gotten EVERYTHING in his life&#8230;handed to him.<br />
Of course a &#8220;goverment oversight agency&#8221; would not find &#8220;Obama guilty&#8221; of&#8230;anything because then the general public will SEE that &#8220;behind the curtain, and the smoke/mirrors&#8221; is a SMALL man pulling strings/handles just like in the Wizard of Oz. Except in this case it is the HANDLERS of Obama and the MONEY CHANGERS like Soros (admitted Nazi helper during the War).<br />
Pathetic yet not surprising (sadly).<br />
Jeffrey Schrembs, American Citizen</p>
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		<title>By: hitcharide</title>
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		<dc:creator>hitcharide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t understand why they gave obummer a loan in the first place.  Isn&#039;t the messiah supposed to receive GIFTS?  Do not anger a jealous obama/messiah lest ye be cast into the lake of burning mortgages!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand why they gave obummer a loan in the first place.  Isn&#8217;t the messiah supposed to receive GIFTS?  Do not anger a jealous obama/messiah lest ye be cast into the lake of burning mortgages!</p>
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		<title>By: Republicanvet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Republicanvet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:14:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;As Judicial Watch noted in its complaint, Northern Trust has supported Barack Obama’s political campaigns for elected office since 1990. Moreover, Northern Trust Vice President John O’Connell essentially admitted the company provided Obama preferential loan terms because of his position in the U.S. Senate. (Obama was a senator at the time.) “‘A person’s occupation and salary are two factors; I would expect those are two things we would take into consideration,’ O’Connell told The Washington Post [emphasis added]. “This was a business proposition for us.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So a Joe-the_Plumber type, because of his occupation, would have to pay a higher rate because of what he does?

Or have to wait to buy a home because he can&#039;t afford the high rates because of favoritism?

Where are the whiners complaining about predatory lenders that force the unconnected to pay higher rates or who only qualify for subprime loans?

Good ol Urkel. Looking out for the little guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>As Judicial Watch noted in its complaint, Northern Trust has supported Barack Obama’s political campaigns for elected office since 1990. Moreover, Northern Trust Vice President John O’Connell essentially admitted the company provided Obama preferential loan terms because of his position in the U.S. Senate. (Obama was a senator at the time.) “‘A person’s occupation and salary are two factors; I would expect those are two things we would take into consideration,’ O’Connell told The Washington Post [emphasis added]. “This was a business proposition for us.”</p></blockquote>
<p>So a Joe-the_Plumber type, because of his occupation, would have to pay a higher rate because of what he does?</p>
<p>Or have to wait to buy a home because he can&#8217;t afford the high rates because of favoritism?</p>
<p>Where are the whiners complaining about predatory lenders that force the unconnected to pay higher rates or who only qualify for subprime loans?</p>
<p>Good ol Urkel. Looking out for the little guy.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin » Rest of the story: Obama’s discount home loan &#124; Home Loan Rates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin » Rest of the story: Obama’s discount home loan &#124; Home Loan Rates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 00:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: chapoutier</title>
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		<dc:creator>chapoutier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 23:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm, Ulthwithian said: &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uh...yeah...what you said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 19th, 2009 at 5:13 pm, Ulthwithian said: </p></blockquote>
<p>Uh&#8230;yeah&#8230;what you said.</p>
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		<title>By: shooter</title>
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		<dc:creator>shooter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you wanna bet obama and bitter half are in line for a mortgage bailout, a piece of the gov&#039;t buy down!
Ya know he did take a pay cut. We better keep an eye on the obamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you wanna bet obama and bitter half are in line for a mortgage bailout, a piece of the gov&#8217;t buy down!<br />
Ya know he did take a pay cut. We better keep an eye on the obamas.</p>
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		<title>By: corkie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/19/rest-of-the-story-obamas-discount-home-loan/comment-page-2/#comment-627770</link>
		<dc:creator>corkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, WarEagle82 said:

Only a lawyer could claim a client that never paid his bills could be his “best client.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Never? Or hadn&#039;t paid, yet? Sometimes it makes sense to give a customer some extra leeway.

It seems as if it was being handled correctly. The partner managing the relationship should continue to advocate for the client while communicating the pressure to discontinue work.

This way, the client doesn&#039;t feel dumped or threatened yet also feels pressure to pay.

How did it turn out? Did you ever collect? Were there future billings that were collected?

The REAL question is why any firm would need software to reveal that they hadn&#039;t been paid over $1m in fees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 19th, 2009 at 4:30 pm, WarEagle82 said:</p>
<p>Only a lawyer could claim a client that never paid his bills could be his “best client.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Never? Or hadn&#8217;t paid, yet? Sometimes it makes sense to give a customer some extra leeway.</p>
<p>It seems as if it was being handled correctly. The partner managing the relationship should continue to advocate for the client while communicating the pressure to discontinue work.</p>
<p>This way, the client doesn&#8217;t feel dumped or threatened yet also feels pressure to pay.</p>
<p>How did it turn out? Did you ever collect? Were there future billings that were collected?</p>
<p>The REAL question is why any firm would need software to reveal that they hadn&#8217;t been paid over $1m in fees?</p>
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		<title>By: Ulthwithian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ulthwithian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chap: Embroiled again? ;)

Ah well.  What I can say about this is that almost all professional codes of ethics require not only lack of unethical behavior but also the lack of _appearance_ of such.

Therefore, President Obama should take more steps than the average citizen if he wishes to avoid calls of unethical treatment.

As people have shown here, knowing the average rate doesn&#039;t help so much as the variability of that rate.  It&#039;s quite easy, if the SD is known, to construct the confidence interval for this.  In fact, I can backtrack from this.

If you assume that interest rates on loans are normally distributed (which is being gracious to President Obama), then to find out whether or not there is an outlier at a 95% confidence level would be...

x-bar - x = 1.645s (one-tailed test)

0.305/1.645 = s

s = 0.185

Therefore, if the standard deviation of the distribution is less than 0.185, there is an issue, statistically speaking.  (Note: This assumes that the SD can be known.  SEM can be used to approximate SD.)

Now, if the data is skewed right, you could use a Beta distribution to model the distribution, but this increases the critical SD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chap: Embroiled again? <img src='http://s.michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/themes/mm/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Ah well.  What I can say about this is that almost all professional codes of ethics require not only lack of unethical behavior but also the lack of _appearance_ of such.</p>
<p>Therefore, President Obama should take more steps than the average citizen if he wishes to avoid calls of unethical treatment.</p>
<p>As people have shown here, knowing the average rate doesn&#8217;t help so much as the variability of that rate.  It&#8217;s quite easy, if the SD is known, to construct the confidence interval for this.  In fact, I can backtrack from this.</p>
<p>If you assume that interest rates on loans are normally distributed (which is being gracious to President Obama), then to find out whether or not there is an outlier at a 95% confidence level would be&#8230;</p>
<p>x-bar &#8211; x = 1.645s (one-tailed test)</p>
<p>0.305/1.645 = s</p>
<p>s = 0.185</p>
<p>Therefore, if the standard deviation of the distribution is less than 0.185, there is an issue, statistically speaking.  (Note: This assumes that the SD can be known.  SEM can be used to approximate SD.)</p>
<p>Now, if the data is skewed right, you could use a Beta distribution to model the distribution, but this increases the critical SD.</p>
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		<title>By: WarEagle82</title>
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		<dc:creator>WarEagle82</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, then, RICH LEFTISTS are uncharitable and cheap.  But they seem to love making conservatives pay for THEIR pet projects with tax dollars when they wouldn&#039;t use their own money to fund these idiotic ideas.  

&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 19th, 2009 at 4:17 pm, chapoutier said: 
WarEagle, there is a difference between uncharitable and cheap.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, then, RICH LEFTISTS are uncharitable and cheap.  But they seem to love making conservatives pay for THEIR pet projects with tax dollars when they wouldn&#8217;t use their own money to fund these idiotic ideas.  </p>
<blockquote><p>On February 19th, 2009 at 4:17 pm, chapoutier said:<br />
WarEagle, there is a difference between uncharitable and cheap.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: wayiwalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayiwalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note in the prior post - by loan - I&#039;m talking about a home mortgage loan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note in the prior post &#8211; by loan &#8211; I&#8217;m talking about a home mortgage loan.</p>
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		<title>By: wayiwalk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayiwalk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone who sticks up for any politician that gets a sweetheart deal like that has got their eyes closed and their brain turned off.

Heck - if you get a below market rate loan from a family member, much less a bank - the IRS wants you to report it as income.

This is stealing from other taxpayers, essentially.  It&#039;s why the IRS goes after people who don&#039;t report income.

Another example of the two-tiered system in the US.  There&#039;s the very rich bankers who play for the pull for favorable rules and decisions from politicians, and the politicians who play that game on the other side.

This doesn&#039;t pass the fairness check in any way shape or form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone who sticks up for any politician that gets a sweetheart deal like that has got their eyes closed and their brain turned off.</p>
<p>Heck &#8211; if you get a below market rate loan from a family member, much less a bank &#8211; the IRS wants you to report it as income.</p>
<p>This is stealing from other taxpayers, essentially.  It&#8217;s why the IRS goes after people who don&#8217;t report income.</p>
<p>Another example of the two-tiered system in the US.  There&#8217;s the very rich bankers who play for the pull for favorable rules and decisions from politicians, and the politicians who play that game on the other side.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t pass the fairness check in any way shape or form.</p>
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