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		<title>By: Extreme Makeover Home Edition and the American Instinct &#124; Adam's Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Extreme Makeover Home Edition and the American Instinct &#124; Adam's Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Michelle Malkin&#8217;s criticism of Extreme Makeover: Home Edition are off-base. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NestingHawk</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/20/another-extreme-makeover-foreclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-630951</link>
		<dc:creator>NestingHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey TinkerBrendie, 
 I can&#039;t take credit for the class time idea; I believe Bachbone suggested it first. 
   Thank you for responding. I got a little busier than I had intended to this weekend, so sorry about how long I took. The extent of my involvement in EM:HE has been seeing part of an episode, so you know much more than I do. 

TinkerBrendie:&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m of the opinion that there should be a clause in the family’s contract with ABC (don’t even THINK that they don’t have to sign one) that they CANNOT use their free home as collateral for AT LEAST five or ten years after receiving the home, and even then it should only be for a certain percentage of the home’s current market value. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
   I hadn&#039;t thought about it, but I think I would have been more surprised if a contract had not been involved. Your clause idea sounds like a good one, too. Maybe they could stick an exception in for genuine emergencies, like paying for life-saving medical treatment, if they did that. Most of the time using the house in that way would seem to be a bad idea. 

TinkerBrendie: 
&lt;blockquote&gt;God Forbid that the loaning agent should bother to MAKE SURE the homeowner has a freaking job good enough to PAY BACK the loan in the first place… sigh.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
   Weren&#039;t loan agents in the habit of doing just that before the Clintons leaned on them, or was that only for loans in order to buy houses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey TinkerBrendie,<br />
 I can&#8217;t take credit for the class time idea; I believe Bachbone suggested it first.<br />
   Thank you for responding. I got a little busier than I had intended to this weekend, so sorry about how long I took. The extent of my involvement in EM:HE has been seeing part of an episode, so you know much more than I do. </p>
<p>TinkerBrendie:<br />
<blockquote>I’m of the opinion that there should be a clause in the family’s contract with ABC (don’t even THINK that they don’t have to sign one) that they CANNOT use their free home as collateral for AT LEAST five or ten years after receiving the home, and even then it should only be for a certain percentage of the home’s current market value. </p></blockquote>
<p>   I hadn&#8217;t thought about it, but I think I would have been more surprised if a contract had not been involved. Your clause idea sounds like a good one, too. Maybe they could stick an exception in for genuine emergencies, like paying for life-saving medical treatment, if they did that. Most of the time using the house in that way would seem to be a bad idea. </p>
<p>TinkerBrendie: </p>
<blockquote><p>God Forbid that the loaning agent should bother to MAKE SURE the homeowner has a freaking job good enough to PAY BACK the loan in the first place… sigh.
</p></blockquote>
<p>   Weren&#8217;t loan agents in the habit of doing just that before the Clintons leaned on them, or was that only for loans in order to buy houses?</p>
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		<title>By: Azygos</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/20/another-extreme-makeover-foreclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-630517</link>
		<dc:creator>Azygos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hint, don’t refinace yourself into bankruptcy. I heard the story of a guy who had COMPLETELY paid off his house. Great huh? untill he refinaced his house to get toys. Now he has lots of toys, and no house.

DEE DEE DEE&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That would be the neighbor across the street who bought all kinds of toys and now the house sits empty. He is living in a trailer in Mesa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hint, don’t refinace yourself into bankruptcy. I heard the story of a guy who had COMPLETELY paid off his house. Great huh? untill he refinaced his house to get toys. Now he has lots of toys, and no house.</p>
<p>DEE DEE DEE</p></blockquote>
<p>That would be the neighbor across the street who bought all kinds of toys and now the house sits empty. He is living in a trailer in Mesa.</p>
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		<title>By: TinkerBrendie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/20/another-extreme-makeover-foreclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-629667</link>
		<dc:creator>TinkerBrendie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NestingHawk:

All I know is what I&#039;ve been told by the EM:HE production people (I&#039;ve worked on three EM houses in the past year as a vendor and as a volunteer) and what I read on the web after the Atlanta EM:HE family&#039;s foreclosure announcement last year. I&#039;m positive that your suggestion of requiring some actual class time would help, but it still seems like these families are being handed a winning lottery ticket, and we&#039;ve all seen how many of those &quot;winners&quot; end up. I&#039;m of the opinion that there should be a clause in the family&#039;s contract with ABC (don&#039;t even THINK that they don&#039;t have to sign one) that they CANNOT use their free home as collateral for AT LEAST five or ten years after receiving the home, and even then it should only be for a certain percentage of the home&#039;s current market value. God Forbid that the loaning agent should bother to MAKE SURE the homeowner has a freaking job good enough to PAY BACK the loan in the first place... sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NestingHawk:</p>
<p>All I know is what I&#8217;ve been told by the EM:HE production people (I&#8217;ve worked on three EM houses in the past year as a vendor and as a volunteer) and what I read on the web after the Atlanta EM:HE family&#8217;s foreclosure announcement last year. I&#8217;m positive that your suggestion of requiring some actual class time would help, but it still seems like these families are being handed a winning lottery ticket, and we&#8217;ve all seen how many of those &#8220;winners&#8221; end up. I&#8217;m of the opinion that there should be a clause in the family&#8217;s contract with ABC (don&#8217;t even THINK that they don&#8217;t have to sign one) that they CANNOT use their free home as collateral for AT LEAST five or ten years after receiving the home, and even then it should only be for a certain percentage of the home&#8217;s current market value. God Forbid that the loaning agent should bother to MAKE SURE the homeowner has a freaking job good enough to PAY BACK the loan in the first place&#8230; sigh.</p>
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		<title>By: NestingHawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>NestingHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 22:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TinkerBrendie, 
   You seem better informed than I am as to the details regarding Extreme Makeover. (I&#039;m more a Sci Fi fan, and don&#039;t have cable right now anyway.) This question is really for anyone who can answer it. Do you know what &quot;access to financial advice&quot; means in this case? Obviously, Extreme Makeover is obligated to give them nothing and anything they give is generous, but if &quot;access to financial advice&quot; means, for example, a phone number via which the beneficiary can listen to a busy signal, it wouldn&#039;t be any wonder why it&#039;s not working. (I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s what they do. I don&#039;t know.) If helping a family is what they want, &lt;i&gt;requiring&lt;/i&gt; a class as a condition of getting the house or remodeling may get a better return on their investment. 
  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TinkerBrendie,<br />
   You seem better informed than I am as to the details regarding Extreme Makeover. (I&#8217;m more a Sci Fi fan, and don&#8217;t have cable right now anyway.) This question is really for anyone who can answer it. Do you know what &#8220;access to financial advice&#8221; means in this case? Obviously, Extreme Makeover is obligated to give them nothing and anything they give is generous, but if &#8220;access to financial advice&#8221; means, for example, a phone number via which the beneficiary can listen to a busy signal, it wouldn&#8217;t be any wonder why it&#8217;s not working. (I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s what they do. I don&#8217;t know.) If helping a family is what they want, <i>requiring</i> a class as a condition of getting the house or remodeling may get a better return on their investment.<br />
  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: TinkerBrendie</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/20/another-extreme-makeover-foreclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-629624</link>
		<dc:creator>TinkerBrendie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many “good people” are “terrible money managers.” Perhaps one thing Extreme Makeover should consider adding to its program is making sure the recipients of the home get a short class in managing their finances. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Actually, they say they DO provide these families with access to financial advice. What they DON&#039;T do is stay there with the families after the klieg lights are shut down and hold their hands to prevent them from succumbing to the desire to &quot;be their own boss&quot; like the equally-shortsighted EM:HE family in Atlanta did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many “good people” are “terrible money managers.” Perhaps one thing Extreme Makeover should consider adding to its program is making sure the recipients of the home get a short class in managing their finances. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, they say they DO provide these families with access to financial advice. What they DON&#8217;T do is stay there with the families after the klieg lights are shut down and hold their hands to prevent them from succumbing to the desire to &#8220;be their own boss&#8221; like the equally-shortsighted EM:HE family in Atlanta did.</p>
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		<title>By: Responsible Homeowners Having To Pay For the Irresponsible &#171; Rantings of mine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Responsible Homeowners Having To Pay For the Irresponsible &#171; Rantings of mine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 13:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Responsible Homeowners Having To Pay For the&#160;Irresponsible In economics on February 21, 2009 at 13:09  Michelle Maulkin nails it. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: WaterBoyz</title>
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		<dc:creator>WaterBoyz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 03:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought that EM gives everyone $$$ for maintenance?</description>
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		<title>By: redheart</title>
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		<dc:creator>redheart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to start seeing stories of people making it on their own.  How they prioritize and how they don&#039;t have to ask for anything.  I&#039;m sick of everyone with their hands out.  Let&#039;s see the REAL America!  There are two America&#039;s those that are responsible and those that are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to start seeing stories of people making it on their own.  How they prioritize and how they don&#8217;t have to ask for anything.  I&#8217;m sick of everyone with their hands out.  Let&#8217;s see the REAL America!  There are two America&#8217;s those that are responsible and those that are not.</p>
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		<title>By: NestingHawk</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/20/another-extreme-makeover-foreclosure/comment-page-1/#comment-629196</link>
		<dc:creator>NestingHawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 00:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Criminalizing debtors would essentially mean criminalizing the loan industry. (Wouldn&#039;t that mean no interest on savings accounts?) A lot of people are able to use loans to buy reasonably useful big-ticket items they might otherwise not be able to get in a reasonable amount of time and pay off the loans as agreed. Sometimes, especially with cars, they need the item to make the money. There&#039;s nothing wrong with loaning and being loaned to in and of itself.


I think Bachbone has a great idea, if Extreme Makeover: Home Edition wants to listen. 

And if we must have government-run schools, perhaps some personal budgeting courses would not be out of place there, either. (I was actually made to write an approximation of a grown-up budget in the eighth grade as a class project, and I think it was good for me.) 


And kudos to those who have taken what they got from the show and made better lives for themselves. They made more than three episodes, I believe, so I&#039;m thinking that a lot of the Extreme Makeover people actually did manage to stay on their feet. Yay for them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Criminalizing debtors would essentially mean criminalizing the loan industry. (Wouldn&#8217;t that mean no interest on savings accounts?) A lot of people are able to use loans to buy reasonably useful big-ticket items they might otherwise not be able to get in a reasonable amount of time and pay off the loans as agreed. Sometimes, especially with cars, they need the item to make the money. There&#8217;s nothing wrong with loaning and being loaned to in and of itself.</p>
<p>I think Bachbone has a great idea, if Extreme Makeover: Home Edition wants to listen. </p>
<p>And if we must have government-run schools, perhaps some personal budgeting courses would not be out of place there, either. (I was actually made to write an approximation of a grown-up budget in the eighth grade as a class project, and I think it was good for me.) </p>
<p>And kudos to those who have taken what they got from the show and made better lives for themselves. They made more than three episodes, I believe, so I&#8217;m thinking that a lot of the Extreme Makeover people actually did manage to stay on their feet. Yay for them!</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff2161</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff2161</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On February 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, Jeff2161 said: 
Might have been Federal taxes since, a gift of a home CAN be considered income to the recipient. Remember Oprah’s car give-away &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Wow, taxes kill equity...Film at 11.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On February 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pm, Jeff2161 said:<br />
Might have been Federal taxes since, a gift of a home CAN be considered income to the recipient. Remember Oprah’s car give-away </p></blockquote>
<p>Wow, taxes kill equity&#8230;Film at 11.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff2161</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff2161</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debtor&#039;s prison ? Dubai has that on the books and, this is what happens...&lt;blockquote&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleeast/12dubai.html&lt;/blockquote&gt;
3000 cars abandoned at airport to avoid Debtors prison. Hmmm... Not sure we want to go there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debtor&#8217;s prison ? Dubai has that on the books and, this is what happens&#8230;<br />
<blockquote><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleeast/12dubai.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/12/world/middleeast/12dubai.html</a></p></blockquote>
<p>3000 cars abandoned at airport to avoid Debtors prison. Hmmm&#8230; Not sure we want to go there.</p>
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		<title>By: DanGrantTx</title>
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		<dc:creator>DanGrantTx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 22:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an interesting discussion in the medical staff lounge at the hospital the other night about this very topic.  One of my colleagues wondered if using the suddenly-improved house as collateral and purposefully defaulting on the loan was a way of avoiding income taxes on the capital gain?  Interesting point.  I wonder if the IRS or any state tax authorities have ever looked into that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an interesting discussion in the medical staff lounge at the hospital the other night about this very topic.  One of my colleagues wondered if using the suddenly-improved house as collateral and purposefully defaulting on the loan was a way of avoiding income taxes on the capital gain?  Interesting point.  I wonder if the IRS or any state tax authorities have ever looked into that.</p>
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		<title>By: usa_usa</title>
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		<dc:creator>usa_usa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should criminalize deliquency. That will make sure that people prioritize debt payment over big screen TVs, vacations, hairdos etc.

Once they have fear of hard time in jail, these deadbeats will sell their bling bling to pay their debts. 

It is too easy in USA to spend borrowed money, get bankrupt and borrow again and repeat the cycle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should criminalize deliquency. That will make sure that people prioritize debt payment over big screen TVs, vacations, hairdos etc.</p>
<p>Once they have fear of hard time in jail, these deadbeats will sell their bling bling to pay their debts. </p>
<p>It is too easy in USA to spend borrowed money, get bankrupt and borrow again and repeat the cycle.</p>
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		<title>By: Bachbone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bachbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many &quot;good people&quot; are &quot;terrible money managers.&quot;  Perhaps one thing &lt;em&gt;Extreme Makeover&lt;/em&gt; should consider adding to its program is making sure the recipients of the home get a short class in managing their finances.  Why put all that effort and money into the home, but nothing into making sure the family has the economic knowledge to keep it?  An extra couple hundred bucks for a community education class could avoid something like this happening again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many &#8220;good people&#8221; are &#8220;terrible money managers.&#8221;  Perhaps one thing <em>Extreme Makeover</em> should consider adding to its program is making sure the recipients of the home get a short class in managing their finances.  Why put all that effort and money into the home, but nothing into making sure the family has the economic knowledge to keep it?  An extra couple hundred bucks for a community education class could avoid something like this happening again.</p>
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