The Obama speech: “Many hours before he had uttered a word”
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AP Obama water-carrier Jennifer Loven takes a slap at Republicans for criticizing President Obama’s 9pm Eastern address tonight to a joint session of Congress:
“Comments on Obama’s address came in early from Republicans, many hours before he had uttered a word.”
Loven filed her 826-word article on Obama’s speech at 3:22pm Eastern — “many hours before he had uttered a word.”
Standing before a nation on an economic precipice, President Barack Obama aimed to balance candor with can-do Tuesday night in his first address to a joint session of Congress. Millions more anxious Americans were tuning in on TV.
Obama was arguing that his still-unfolding economic revival plan has room for—even demands—a broader agenda including dramatic increases in health care coverage and wiser, “greener” fuel use. He was addressing an ebullient Democratic congressional majority and an embattled but reinvigorated GOP minority as well as worried viewers at home.
Just five weeks after his inauguration, Obama wasn’t charged with producing a formal State of the Union status report. But for all intents and purposes, that’s what it was: a night for the president to sketch out his priorities in a setting unmatched the rest of the year.
He enters the chamber to lawmakers of both parties hanging into the aisle for a chance to shake his hand or exchange a word. The gallery is filled, including a special section hosted by first lady Michelle Obama in which guests are selected to serve as living symbols of the president’s goals. Cramming the floor are the leaders of the federal government: Supreme Court justices, all but one Cabinet member—held away in case disaster strikes—and nearly every member of Congress.
(Hat tip: Abe Greenwald)
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Here are some advance Obama speech excerpts.
Shorter Obama: Economy sucks. It’s all Bush’s fault. Don’t worry, be happy. Hope more. Spend more. Goodnight.
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Update: Matthews Declares Obama Speech ‘Churchillian’—Before It’s Delivered
Update: 9:00pm Eastern. Botox buddies Biden and Pelosi open up the joint session. My forehead hurts just looking at them both.
Obama is late. Enters at around 9:06pm Eastern. Taking his sweet, sweet time hugging every living being in the room.
Whoops. He stepped on Pelosi’s intro.
Up. Down. Up. Down. Applause.
“We’ll rebuild. We will recover. And America will emerge stronger than before.”
Up. Down. Applause. Up. down.
Blames lenders for preying on poor foreclosure victims.
Gag: Doesn’t believe in bigger government.
Update 9:34pm Eastern: More foreclosure victim talk. Obligatory private jet-bashing. Galling line about the “mountain of debt” future generations will inherit.
Update 10:00pm Eastern. Obama salutes the troops. Longest Democrats have ever applauded our troops in the last 8 years.
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underseige/Goldwater Knight a troll?It was undrsiege dude.
Those are called “entry level positions” and people tend to only have those jobs when they are very young.
Unless, of course, you allow the country next door to undercut wages by diluting the labor pool, in which case jobs that previously offered benefits will cease to, because that’s how the market works.
In the late ’90′s, the Arby’s near me was paying $12.00 per hour plus a $250 signing bonus if you stayed 6 months. The company lured workers in with lots of benefits, like insurance and vacation. Then suddenly everybody there developed a Spanish accent and wages fell back to half of what they were.
Same story in the construction world. Jobs that offered benefits and decent pay turned into day labor positions when corporate America was allowed unfettered access to slave-wage laborers. Wages fell by 50% in a sector that was setting all kinds of records in both numbers and prices? Too bad the government enforce the laws to help poor American people earn living wages.
Left to its own devices, the market will redistribute wealth equitably. Look at housing – if prices were allowed to fall, the rich would suffer the most and lower income workers could actually afford to buy small starter homes without resorting to bizarre financing instruments.
But if that happened, people might realize that we don’t really need a big federal government, and that’s the last thing that the Democrats want.
Chap,
Cry me a river. We all worked those jobs and worked ourselves up to better jobs if we wanted to – like yourself.
So, your answer is to makes sure everyone has a great job with the best benefits? Talks about “utopian”! It will never happen. What is more likely to happen (ad has happened at our firm) is someone will demand more than they are worth because they will lose their “benefits” if they do not make enough. They are paid to stay home. My wife works at a daycare and there are plenty od subsidised payments going on while mom and dad stay home. $7 a week for daycare and no job but great benefits.
This is what gets our goat. Not making excuses about there are not enough jobs for everyone to drive a Hummer with 25′s
This is a blog where commenters engage and challenge each other. There are many conservatives who don’t agree with one another. I used to appreciate your take on issues (for the most part) until you became a mindless groupie. Even lawyers need to aspire to something, right?
I mostly skip over your baudy humor, the endless zombie mentions, and the recipes that I’m sure you’ll include in your cookbook for casual chili afficionados one day.
Since you love to mock me and I you I’ll even give you some friendly advice: You really need a drool bucket and some magic fairy dust. Those are two key items that never go outta style in Washington.
sheeesh…..I pay $95/wk
Wow. That is the very definition of a strawman, soap. Compare health insurance to Hummers.
Yeah….I must have missed those comments.
So Prez Obama and the government think that they can loan gazillions of dollars to thousands of banks and business interests and track these loans, insuring that a plethera of new laws are strictly enforced because nobody messes with Biden.
And then Americans, the heavens opened, heavenly angels fluttered down and the world lived happily, ever after.
Yeah, that is what I was doing… Sheesh
Any one who thinks Government can run health care really needs to take a hard look at the VA system. We can’t even properly take care of those who devoted/sacrificed themselves to protecting the rest of us. How in the heck can people expect the Government to do any better job when it comes to themselves?
To borrow a line from my buddy John Deaux:
Chap,
If Obama crapped on your head you would thank him for the new hat.
Peace – out.
You’re not alone, David. Former Upstater here. I gave up on New York a long time ago. The downstaters control the state and the spending. Upstaters didn’t get much support from 200,000 promised jobs Hillary or Chucky Americans don’t care about the pork Schumer. I’d move if you can. You’re as big as your outlook and the outlook ain’t real good right now for Upstate.
Good luck to you.
Actually, this wasn’t even addressed to you. You’re in your own category.
Then what was your point with the Hummer jab?
All I am saying is that it is a FACT that our economy, and any capitalist economy, depends on cheap cheap labor to perform millions of jobs every day.
Also, people confuse the ease at which someone can learn a job (and thus how much someone has to pay to get the job done) with 1) its utility to our society and 2) the amount of effort the job takes. You are perfectly happy to live in a society that relies on menial labor yet does not support the menial worker.
But you quoted my post in the response.
What category?? What category??
Odopeys nothing more than a campaigner, like a baby rattler that can’t control his venom. He has Pelosi write a bill full of earmarks, pork and insane spending, just signs the lame brain written crap paper before anyone can account for the first batch of spendulus bank BS. Don’t mess with joe? ha! good one, joe causes enough damge to himself w/o us having to mess with him. I about blew a gasket when he said the “recovery bill was earmark free” I guess if he says it aloud the moron kool-aid drinkers will buy into his outright lies. Odopey needs a reality check, he mentioned man on the moon again, thats how far away he is from being a leader. The man is clueless on Iraq, homeland security and the economy. Nice pick for President. I think not. I give him until October before he goes bust.
But your forget that highly productive labor from a well-paid worker is in fact “cheap.”
Capitalism works at its best when the environment is productive. That environment produces the best good with the highest value at the lowest cost.
Socialsts have never understood that.
Thanks, all, for the running commentary on The One’s fake State of the Union Address speech. I value my furniture, possessions, and what I ate in the past few hours too much to have watched the actual thing. Some decent comedy, if one isn’t too straight laced.
BTW, Chap, if I go to Germany, will you buy me vast quantities of Guinness as you did for those soldiers you were supporting? (Assuming that the military will trust one of its personnel to act like an adult when he’s well over 21. [Meaning a soldier drinking, not Chap's buying.])
Nice bit of moral equivalency. OMG… I said underwear…. then you mention a comment about another poster whom I don’t agree with. Then you call me a female dog. Way to go there, dude. This is about your comments and no one elses.
Again…. what you said about me is pretty weak but then again you don’t say much while in the Obummer dream glow.
The constant references to dogs is beneath you and this blog. Happyscrapper and the other poster shouldn’t have said what they did. My calling you “underwear” doesn’t equate to you calling me a female dog.
Then again, gentlemen don’t act like you do “anonymously” on a blog, take on the moniker of a former “troll” (I’m going by what others regarded him/her), and call a blogger (me) a female dog. Bravo!
I’m sure your actions are, well, justified, right? Fight the power, bro!
For a semi-substantive comment, if health care for all, especially government provided, is such a wonderful thing, then go through the d*mn process to amend the Constitution and make it legal!!
Having been subject to military “health care” most of my life, I would say that you can have it all. (Note: traumatic care is good to excellent; it’s the normal stuff that is highly variable, and harder to get to now than it ever was.)
And highly productive labor from a poorly paid worker is even “cheaper.” And as between “cheaper but a little less productive” and “expensive but a little more productive”, I think we know which way companies tend to default.
Highest value at lowest cost is a great way to run a company to maximize profit for shareholders. Too bad we are talking about a country and people.
Because I “assumed” you were responding to me. If not, my mistake.
Let me see… what category should I put you in? How ’bout the “nonaligned?” How does that sound? I will even put an asterisk after your name to differentiate you from Underseige and Chaps, okay? Does that sound better?
He was by some. He said something objectionable and got booted.
I like nonaligned a lot. That’s a really good description of how I feel right now. Rudy was the closest to my political beliefs and that didn’t work out well. I’m just a girl without a an island. Or something.
Mookie:
You aren’t alone, I am just more and more a lurker on this site lately.
For me, Rudy was perfect. Hardcore on the military and on the economy and more to the left on social issues. Sadly, it wasn’t to be.
Chap in fewest words you are describing corporate models that have never been sustainable.
Maximizing sharholder return is a STUPID strategy, which no good corporation places at the top of its objectives. Sustained solid returns and growth are the real objectives.
Your description of how workers are treated by corporations is worthy of Ebeneezer Scrooge. Again, there is a balance if you want to recruit and retain the best.
Chap, read less Willaim Kunstler and more Lee Iacocca.
P.S. You should not run a country like a business. Their purpose for existence and objectives are incongruent.
Nice exchange. Thanks. Have a good evening. 44 degrees tomorrow……HEAT WAVE!
Goodnight, flyover.
I’m not as demonstrative with my feelings as you are. Your stance on the 2nd ammendment is the only I agree with you on and the rest I basically don’t.
You sound rational and not as obtuse as say, LGM, until you go on an Obummer mind bender and we’ve lost you completely.
Yeah, sorry, i can’t take you seriously anymore, undresige, no matter how badly you misspell your username or your posts. The assassination BS was dealt with a few hours ago, do keep up. And your promise to come back with friends just makes me think of a Dem staffer paid to troll conservative blog sites and then swarm attack. If it’s untrue, sorry, but that’s what your words conjure up for me.
And the whole “Ah … Ah .. down girl .. Vick will be out soon …” It’s not only not clever or funny, it’s mildly offensive.
So, basically, after your one day’s worth of activity here, I’m anticipating some sort of message that you’ve been banned in the near future.
You want to post stupid crap? Next time post on CNN’s Political Ticker. I literally saw the same comment word for word by two different people. Overrun by Dem staffers and useless to gauge popular opinion, which is what blogs are all about.
Conservatives, libertarians, and independents all have something in common: distrust in Big Government and belief in the individual. I liked Rudy too but he was a little too wishy washy on immigration and abortion. So was Mitt Romney.
I’m not overly into religion like some folks on here. Zeroangel doesn’t agree with religion. I get that. Then again, spirituality isn’t a bad thing, is it?
I’m big on the military since I’m a military spouse, as well as the economy. I don’t agree with abortion which I find wasteful and unnecessary if common sense had been in the front seat all along.
More and more, I believe in common sense, something not exercised by either political party. I’ve had to admit to myself after voting for the past 15 years that no party speaks for me.
Then again…nobody is listening to people like you and me and no Tea Party will change things, as hard as that is for me to admit, until the people figure out if they want a leader or a pretender.
The only thing I sort of remember is something along the lines of “Don’t mess with Joe.” Other than that, just another campaign speech. It’s all he can do.
There may be hope for you yet, Mookie.
Seriously, if you didn’t like the McCain nom, you can join about 85% of Republicans on that one. Honestly, of the 8, he was the worst, but the media said he was the most “electable,” and the people in the open primary states agreed. (Hint: CLOSE THE PRIMARIES! It F-d up the Dem and Rep process.) It’s also interesting that it’s the social issues that divide the electorate on executive and legislative elections when it’s really the judicial branch that decide such matters.
I am sure there are more than a few definitions of the word “spirituality” that I would have no objections to.
Agreed.
i didnt see the “reaganesque” rendition by lil bHo.
i heard it would have been a real winner at the Oscars.
elegant, right?
lil bHo is a marionette without any juice. he has a lower 30 day rating than Jimmuh Jim Jim did during his failed mission. i think that is hilarious.
i heard lil bHo’s fake “certificate of live birth” showed up on CNN today. ROFLMAO. that just wont go away.
and it is my understanding that lil bHo himself is being sued on this birth certificate matter— in fact, it was reported today on Savage Nation by the plaintiff that lil bHo, the DNC and the FEC filed their briefs in federal court in response to the suit.
right. i know. the Party line in the American politburo is that the case has no merit. as some other issues dont….so much so that lil bHo had to stage a circus distraction in DC tonite.
interesting. the lil chit is gonna get fileted by Repubs and Dhimmis alike in under 100 days.
Bear1909
Think of government as the Great Scribe:
You can’t have this, you can’t have that,
you can’t build this, you can’t make that,
you cant say this , you can’t do that.
The list is endless,
Try-
building anything on your property,
buying anything,
selling anything,
going anywhere,
using anything,
or living anywhere,
without a long list of government regulations,fees,taxes, or
interference!
Liberals believe in this, “More!”, they say.
I say; “Enough, we are a country of limited government!”
Money, and freedom arise from the private sector and our ability to make our lives better that is why our ancestors formed the country they did.
I say bundle the libs into worthless securities, and see if the socialists of Europe are still purchasing toxic assets!
Everyone would get what they want than!
local pundits here in Berkeley are commenting on the speech…..”you have to admire the audacity of his agenda.”
uhhhh-huh.
“markets aren’t the best judge of what the President spoke about.”
uhhhh-huh.
Jindal knocked it out of the park in repsonse.
California Republic Party chair: “not a recovery plan…but an enormous spending plan.”
The Congressional Budget Office agrees with the Pubbie Chair.
“This is Jimmy Carter all over again.”
Shot of McCain in the crowd….. looking at lil bHo like he is his girlfriend.
Over 1000 earmarks in the bill. ROFLMAO
Lord, all over the radio this morning, it has been nothing but “drooling” over Obama’s speech. We’re all being saved by the “One”. I figured (being saved), I’ll be filing bankruptcy in 4 years, simply because taxes (to save me) have prevented me from feeding my family and paying my bills. And, isn’t that what Pelosi/Reid/Obama want?
I went to bed early last night. It seemed to be a good night for it. From what I’ve read in the comments, the speech was just more unrealistic promises.
Oh man Backwoods, so you missed the part where he parted the pacific ocean, saved the whales and rescued flipper?
Yes AJ, I missed out on all the blessings that would have been bestowed upon me by communing with The One.
A bit OT: I’m sorry to hear your Angels weren’t able to retain the services of Texiera. The Braves were able to sign Kotchman for another year.
BC
And theY picked up a great player in Garret Anderson for a bargain price. He can carry a team through the second half and after 15 years with my Halo’s I assure you he will be missed.
Morales will come of age at 1st base for us so let the Yanks have Tex for a gazzilion dollars.. lol
Thanks for pointing that out. It really hadn’t registered on me that he came from the Angels, too.
But to get back on topic, I understand that Obama promised more government efforts to develop alternative sources of energy. What a lot of people can’t get through their heads is the government can’t legislate innovation. If that were true, why stop with something as puny as alternative energy sources. Let’s legislate ourselves some warp drive.
B.H.O.
looks awful close to B.O.H.I.C.A. to me.
“Bend over here it comes again”
I think B.O. doesn’t begin to describe how bad his socialist policies stink.
That man needs sedatives, hormones-something. He and Keith Overbite definitely need help. Have they checked for lead paint at the PMSNBC studios? I think I shall send them a letter suggesting they do.
But I must admit I missed the speech as I was rearranging my sock drawer. My sock drawer has become very tidy in the last few weeks.
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ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
Should be a convenience store
NOT a Government Agency
Here’s where San Fran “Jack in the Box” Nan recieved her training earlier in her career for all the uppy downy slobbering over Odopeys televangelist appearance last night before Congress.
Pop! goes the Nancy!
da doot da doot da dotteley doot….
I don’t know which was worse, “Jack-in-the-box Nancy” or “Grinning like a Jack A.. Nancy” behind the Pres. Lord, give us strength to endure!
The only way the President will succeed or DO what he said tonight about cutting the pork is this:
Nancy Pelosi – step down as Speaker (too partisian and loves PORK)
Chris Dodd – step down from Senate Banking committee (scandal and conflicts of interest)
Barney Frank – step down from the House Financial committee (same as Chris Dodd)
Charlie Rangel – Step down from the Ways and Means committee (doesn’t know how to pay his taxes that he wrote the laws on)
That would at least be a start.
I don’t know maybe they are in the closet and just have a physical attraction or something.
Speaking of Churchill:
Did anyone else read a few days ago in a Mark Steyn article at NRO (via Atlas Shrugs) that B. Hussein Obama is removing a Churchill bust from the Oval Office (if I remember correctly) and returning it to England?
I did not see in the article whether the bust was only on loan to us, or whether it was a gift that is now being returned.
Okay Chappy,
The problem with health care in the country is tort law and greed. So, we fix it how? Tort reform? NOOOOOOOOO. We tax the chit out of one industry to pay for S-Chip. WOOOHOOO!!! Problem solved right? Buh-bye tobacco industry and the 10′s of thousands of jobs. Buh-bye S-Chit funding. Hello higher taxes to pay for – YET ANOTHER – swelled government program that is doomed to fail right out of the block.
Don’t preach to me about my beliefs – I am an AMERICAN. I know what hard work is. I pay my bills. I raised my kids and “paid as I went” as your messiah likes to say. I believe every hard working AMERICAN has every opportunity like I do. We are sick to death of the “I am entitled” mentality and the liberals that keep said people in bondage.
/Lisa Douglas: I hear fifes!
You go on believing health care is an entitlement and I will go on knowing this country was founded on and made great by AMERICANS who worked hard to build it. I will go on believing the hardest working AMERICAN was the dirt farmer that went without so many times to feed a nation. I said “was” because the most of the farming industry is subsidized (I have seem them let crops rot because it was not more profitable to bring in the harvest).
You go on believing that every person has a right to health care – even if they are here on the felon path to non-naturalization.
You go on believing your messiah is going to fix everything by increasing the good and cutting the bad and not paying for it as he goes. Don’t think anybody with half a brain is going to agree with you or your new found messiah. We sure as hell are not going to sit back and defend him when he lies to the public and says there were no earmarks in this bill. You can believe him but the rest of us are not that stooooopid.
I can’t wait for the day you sober up and see there are some things that are just no good about your messiah. It is real easy see:
I used to hear Bush was going to go down as the worst POTUS in history. I didn’t believe it until Crap Sandwich 2.0.
See how easy that was?
That is soooo not the only problem, or even the main one. It is however, an effective red herring the right throws out.
Okay. For the most part I do. But again throw in a scary red herring of illegal aliens. They are a problem. They are not the main problem with health care. Listen, I think its fine to think that health care is not a right and we have no responsibility as a society to provide it for those not able to afford it themselves. I don’t agree with it, but it is a perfectly legitimate stance. What I do not agree with is shrouding such a stance under the notion that everyone in the US could have a job that provided health care if only everyone would work harder at getting a better job. That the only reason a significant portion of our population does not have it is some moral failing or laziness on their part. That is illogical.
No, I don’t.
I never defended him on the earmark comment. He may or may not be technically right on the narrow definition of an earmark (frankly I don’t know what that would be) but the spending in the Stimulus is close enough.
Yeah, let’s just say “red herring” and ignore the “tax the crap” out of one industry to pay for. We call that redirect.
No, not every job will provide health care. That has always existed and will even when Obama gets it through his thick skull that taxing one industry to pay for a lot of peoples health care is a formula for disaster.
But hey, I digress, he is Mr. Fix it. Watch and see.
If the front cover of the Bill isn’t a big enough clue for what an earmark is then you need a drink.
“Spendulus Recovery Earmark Bill”
(front cover)
I will concede that the tobacco industry unfairly gets the brunt of this because it is politically low hanging fruit.
That does not change my views on the objective merits of universal health care.
There isn’t enough paper in the Universe to print a….
“Universal Healthcare Bill”
It would weigh over 20,000 pounds.
and if anyone thinks Congress can run it, well lets just say there’s a room waiting for them in Bellevue State Mental Hospital.
Some companies trend that way, but tend to start spiraling.
To illustrate…
I have a friend in the roofing industry. He is extremely productive and knowledgeable of both residential and commercial roofing requirements.
Their company uses a lot of hispanic workers, who would fit your definition of highly productive workers at a cheap rate. However, their quality is HORRIBLE. On many projects, more than half of the work has to be redone (by my friend personally). My friend can’t stand working with them because to them, its just a job. They don’t care whether its done right or not.
Our church built an addition a few years back. The roofing company used a lot of hispanics that worked very quickly and were probably paid at a low cost. And now, we have a roof that has had to have dozens of repairs made to stop leaks.
So, no. Highly productive labor from poorly paid workers can often be expensive. Higher quality work should be compensated appropriately.
Uhhh…if their work is horrible, then I would say, no they are not productive.
My apologies for not making it more explicit, but to me, “productive” implies that the work has actual value, i.e., a reasonable level of quality.
to chap and all those who believe government is the answer, the same government took over the biggest most famous whorehouse in nevada, and bankrupted it in a couple of years. they took it over because the owner was making so much money and not paying his taxes, so of course our government can do it properly, and bankruptcy ensued. now they want to run the auto industry, the energy industry, the health industry, the banking industry, and they can’t even run a whorehouse in a truckstop in nevada. check out a v.a. hospital. then tell me you want that to be your health care provider. check out our banking system since the government decided to save it. check out the energy proposals and ask yourself how long before these pipe dreams become reality? but in the meantime we will tax cigarettes, booze, and fast foods, legalize marijuana so we can tax it, legalize prostitution so we can tax it, just as we have legalized gambling so we could tax it. what a country.
Is his speech over yet?
I can’t believe anyone here actually watched what was apparently nothing but a spin speech; there was a terrific “House” repeat on USA last night – it was the one where the female patient lost her memory due to having caused an accident took the lives of her family.
Productivity is measured in output/quantity, not quality. Most supervisors and foremen are only interested in meeting per diem units required, so it’s no surprise that faulty products meet the market in mass number. Undocumented workers are not the most skilled at assembling and packaging small parts-sensitive products.
His speech never ends. That’s why he has to be on TV all the time to keep delivering it.
Of course they are. They work quickly to finish their work assignments. You started off comparing individual workers, not the job in total. Don’t change your measuring stick now.
I will agree with you that companies can be extremely shortsighted. My friend could easily leave his job and start his own business and probably survive just off the contacts from our church, doing residential work.
With little input into his job, spending his time fixing problems others caused, has caused my friends own productivity to suffer due to a poor working environment.
the post office has a monopoly on delivering the mail, and they can’t do that efficiently and effectively. ups, fedex, and email wouldn’t be around if our postal service worked. when i first went to england in the 60′s, they had morning and afternoon delivery. we have 6 day out of 7 and they want to drop that back to 5, because they are working too hard and it’s too costly to actually do their jobs. i don’t know about you, but i dread going into a post office nearly as much as i dread going into my dep’t of revenue car licensing bureau.
If I recall correctly, my folks told me some years ago that when they were young, there was, in fact, twice-daily mail delivery here in the U.S.
Same here.
I’m with you on the rest of what you said, but this?
I agree with you about email, Chappy. It has advantages that snail mail could never overcome.
Good. Now, tort law may not be the big cookie in the demise of health care. That being the case, how is it that part of the plan is not tort reform but more taxes? Even you, Chap, have to admit when channeling a baby becomes evidence in a malpractice complaint is just killing the industry (especially when huge awards are given just because). Hell, if someone brings a complaint against a doctor, the first line of defense is settlement out of court and let the insurance take the brunt of the cost.
No, the answer is not taxing the crap out of industry to pay for freeloaders. Again like I and a few others have said, you can go to the hospital and make arrangements to pay (pay as you go) OR let Odopy fix it. Odopy is showing he has no idea how to fix health care. Our system as it stands now is not ideal but it is better than most of the worlds and EVERYBODY can get good health care by going to a hospital which receives government funding – they cannot be turned away BUT they will have to pay something and therein lies the problem.
Who is talking about moral equivalency? I have no idea what would compel you to call me “underwear”. Tell me how a sophisticated “teacher” such as yourself feels compeled to call somebody “underwear”? Is that YOUR idea of smart or clever? You wanna dish it out, then take it back. Save you phony attitude and faux indignation.
I’ll never play the “gentleman” role when it comes to you. You hop on here call me “underwear”, and pick at my posts and other liberals while ignoring assassination cracks until I call you on it. You choose do be the guard dog of this blog, you are allegedly female. I stand by every word.
Check it. For every “underwear” crack, I’ll talk about your canine qualities. If I touched a nerve, good. Bug off, hypocrite.
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Obama is owning this stimulus bill, he said last week that if it doesn’t work, and the economy doesn’t improve we should vote him out. All of his chips are on the table. Like him or not, he’s owning this deal.
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cheapseat:
emphasis mine.
Did I read the correctly? Whorehouse? LOL! Man I see all kinds of potential for comedy here: lazy, unenthusiastic prostitutes and dissatisfied customers waiting in long lines.
“Please have a seat and wait for your number to be called.”
“Please fill out these 3 forms in pen specifying what position and / or service you prefer.”
“Are you done yet honey? I have an STD training session at exactly 3:00pm.”
I also agree that the average person is too stupid to know when real malpractice has occured. I don’t know how to solve this. I do not think artifical caps on recoveries is the answer because there are instances of egregious malpractice that must be punished. I have advocated here for an administrative system that determines whether minimum thresholds for a legitimate suit are met before it can proceed, but there are a host of problems with this.
DOW -171 and falling – great speech, Obama!
I don’t think she meant to call you underwear.
I think she meant skidmark.
Personally, I enjoy Emjem’s posts. Yours? Not so much. You have proven yourself time and again to be an unhappy person who seems to take pleasure in trying to rile up people who disagree with you. You’re the type of loser who spent his lonely childhood days frying ants with a magnifying glass.
If you’re going to be a liberal on a conservative web site, you might try either playing nice and having a point, or suffer with having your screen name mocked. Get over yourself.
Agreed. You fix a problem not create a bigger one – right? Taxing tobacco is a fix? Nope. Let’s fix the problems and stand back and look at the hard work it took and be happy. Again, hard work is required. I don’t want to kill flees on my dog by killing all of the dogs in my area because, you know, they are the real problems. In essence, I am making a bigger problem then just killing flees on my dog and in my own house.
Ditto! Emjem knows how to bring it – she’s not intimidated and she knows her facts.
JD,
skidmark
ROFLMAO
I found this online:
Universal Health Care Coverage in Korea
I really don’t have the time to read through it all right now but I thought maybe Chap or some of you other folks might want to.
I remember when I was living in Korea (I was there as a soldier, a contractor, and even for a short stint I lived on the economy) that health care was so affordable, even without insurance.
I used to think that was because it was more “free market” but I am not so sure that is truly the case.
Scanning this article it seems to be some kind of a mix, but like I said, I didn’t pay careful attention.
Perhaps someone else might have some insights?
One of the biggest problems, and again I don’t know what to do about this, is that the US subsidizes health care discoveries for the rest of the world. Pharmaceutical companies charge Americans far more than any other country for their new medications or new technology because we are the only country where they can recoup their costs and make a profit. I don’t blame the Pharma industry for that, they deserve every penny they get for the miracles they produce every day. But the cost of the latest and greatest in medical technology, and the wildly disproportionate price we pay for it is a HUGE driver of medical costs.
WAhhhhhhhhh!!! Michelle I’m being called an excrement stain. Do something about these cruel people. Wahhhhhhhhhh!!!. What about the TOS?
Wahhhhhhhhh!!!.
Chapoutier:
That does make sense; however, Korea is not some 3rd world country. The article did mention something about the current rising costs there.
I bring it up because I wonder, what countries are there in the world that could be said to have better (or at least comparable) and more universal health care than the US? What are those systems like?
I hear a great deal about how nations with universal health care have long lines and inefficient care from apathetic government employees. Are there other alternatives? Is there a free market solution?
I agree it is a useful exercise. I am just pointing out the US has a lot of stresses to the system that other countries do not.
Chapoutier:
Oh, I understand. I was just hoping that you might have some more ideas that I don’t. As I said, would you say there is a “free market” (or at least “freeish market”) solution?
Do any other countries come to mind that you could point to as an example? Myself, I had previously thought Korea, but, as I said, it might not be as “free market” as I thought.
Yeah, what about TOS? You would have been gone long ago. She did delete your aweful comment about our organization praying for the death of people. Very low. So, pardon me/us if I/we am/are not hurt by your being called a skidmark.
chap: I agree, but where does it say that those cheap laborers are expected to stay just that forever?
Capitalism provides the opportunity for success within the system. Find something people want and sell it to them. Find a job you are good at and that people need done for them and you will get paid handsomely for it. While flipping burgers make an effort to learn how to manage the restaurant.
Workers should not expect to get paid a living wage for doing menial tasks meant to let the “boss” evaluate whether or not you are 1) worth promoting or 2) let you slug along in the menial task until you either get tired of it and quit or you get going and make something of your opportunities.
Look at the movement within the quintiles of income in this country. Over a very few years many in the bottom quintile will move UP while many in the top quintile fall out of that category. Upward movement comes from hard work and self-improvement, not government intervention. Downward movement comes from failure to change when change is needed (tried buying any sealing wax lately?) or retirement from the workforce.
Socialism pushes people into their respective quintiles (Old Soviet worker’s saying, “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.”) and then keep them there as permanent cheap labor. Only the ruling elite had their summer dachaus (sp?).
I know you’re one of those posers that refuse to tell the whole tale Soapbox. The fact of the matter is, all references to Pelosi’s plane crash were deleted that day. You know the same references that you refused to challenge? Instead you snidely remarked, “Well, the economy is crashing”. Ha ha ha. That your was YOUR reaction to YOUR fellow conservatives making Koslike cracks about our Speaker going down in a plane crash. Your charitable work doesn’t hide your rather nasty soul, and I still think my questions about what you teach those poor children are valid.
If me calling you out on your spit gets this comment deleted, or me banned, it’s so worth it you disingenuous tool
I’m not asking you to pardon me if your feelings are hurt, or if you are offended.
Judging by the stock market… I think so!
ALCON:
The issue here I think, is just to what extent should government have its hands in health care.
For anyone to make the claim; as fundamental “Libertarians” (that’s with a capital ‘L’) do; that a complete “hands off” approach from the government is desirable is not being intellectually honest.
One only has to look at anarchies to realize that some government control is necessary.
Many services in our nation our “socialized.” Here are a few:
Education (I realize many of you do not like this)
Police
Military
Fire departments
One could, for example, try to make the case that a “free market” solution to law enforcement a la private security companies (or even individual protection) is more effective than government police forces. However, you are bound to end up with poor neighborhoods with high rates or crime degrading to absolute and total anarchy and chaos.
I have always been, and continue to be something of a “libertarian;” that’s with a lowercase ‘l’; and as such, lean toward the side of the fence that tends to feel, in principle, the free market should be allowed to work.
I don’t, however, advocate anarchy.
Is the healthcare system in the US a mess? I think so. It is plagued by extremely high costs and an inordinate burden being placed on those people that can actually pay whilst those who can’t more or less get a free ride ALREADY, with or without universal government health care.
What is the solution? Honestly, I don’t know enough about it to say. However, my intuition tells me that the solution is likely to some kind of combination.
I think it is important for everyone who requires health care to be able to receive adequate health care. I do not think it’s terribly unfair that those who can afford better care receive it. However, I do think there are those that can’t afford it that abuse the system.
I hope this wasn’t too long.
-Zero
Why all the negativity towards Soap? Perhaps a touch of jealousy because he’s obviously a better human being than you are? What have you done to help your fellow man?
If you’ve got a problem with my calling you a skidmark, then direct it at me, skidmark.
This could be construed as a threat. Yeah, let’s talk TOS.
I’m not jealous of people who joke off people making fun of planes going down. I never have been or will be jealous of frauds. Soap isn’t quite as big of a piece of crap as emjem, but he’s close. He’s gutless, and would rather pick at LGM’s lack of holiday wishes than shout down death wishes of others. Still I would never wish his plane to go down, and nor would I refuse to condemn somebody that makes a similar wish. The hell with Soapbox. He’s probably a member of the Westboro Baptist Church.
You can call me whatever the hell you wanna call me. If you’re waiting for some in return, call your friends over at 1-900.abuse.mee. You bore me, and don’t offend me as much as the likes of emjem. There 100 or more John Deauxs on this blog with their rants and talk radio talking points. Frankly, you don’t interest me. People like em and soap are the most repugnant types to me because the put up a leaking front. You’re just garden variety rightwing taint. I’ll be your skidmark if that gets you off to talk about.
skidmark, skidmark, skidmark.
Not at all. My friends are with PETA. They’ll make sure your buddy is placed in a nice home, so that Vick doesn’t put her back to work.
I’M BORED ON THIS THREAD NOW. Sorry about the folks that had to sift through the Siege,Deaux,Soap,”hockeymom w/o lipstick” stuff. I’ll seriously try to do better next time, if there’s a next time. Whatever.
Soap- gutless, hypocrital phony
em- well, I think I’ve made my point
Deux- I hope your S/M needs are met, but that’s all I got for ya. You bore me.
Seeyaaaaaaaaaaaaa
hahahaha!
Someone’s anus is chapped.
How dare you take Chapoutier’s name in vain!
Hmmmm… this is the biggest bunch of projection and psychoanalysis I’ve ever seen on any blog excluding places like Huff n’ Puff and Kos Kids. How the did I offend you? I barely engage you because most of youe comments reek of liberal disengenuousness and misrepresentation. If you come on this blog to educate us, you’re only reemphasizing stereotypes of what we think “liberals” are and what you think “conservatives” are.
I’ve read better, reasoned posts from Chaps than from you. You engage in over-the-top hyperbole wrapped in self-congratulatory rhetoric. Exactly what kind of “front” am I putting up? Again, that is projection.
It takes a certain type of arrogance to call somebody a hypocrite and channel superiority while also calling the person you have all figured out a “female dog.” If this isn’t to be criticized and challenged I don’t know what is.
It’s interesting that instead of engaging me and proving me wrong you’re reemphasizing everyone’s opinion of you. Shhhhhh… it’s okay, no one knows how shallow you are and how little respect you hold for those nasty “conservatives.” Your secret is safe with me.
Hey! Thanks!
Using “underwear” is my way of “mocking” you for your unoriginality and also using the name of a former poster who was booted. For someone who suggests to another poster to take what they dish out, you seem a bit indignant, hostile, and defensive. I hear therapy is good for stuff like that.
I’ve engaged with other liberals such as Chaps and others I don’t agree with and here I am astonished that they didn’t need to sink so low as to call me a “female dog.” I know you sell common courtesy and manners real short in the new, improved Modern America, but even I wouldn’t tolerate that from a student or an adult. So it would seem that my mocking name that I and others have given you really does fit.
I’m not the guardian of this blog- Michelle Malkin is. I have the funny feeling she wouldn’t find calling another poster a “female dog” befitting her standards.
I have no control over what other posters say on this blog. It’s their opinions not mine and if you think I have that kind of authority, you need to go back to school. I’ve already said I didn’t agree with these things yet you continue to raise this issue.
Of course you stand by every word because not only are you a coarse and base personality, but one who doesn’t like being challenged or knows what to do when they are.
Again, this is a bit defensive for someone secure in not only their personal conduct but one who wouldn’t know right from wrong if it hit them in the face. You never call any woman, and I don’t care where they come from or who they are, a female dog and you better believe I won’t let you or anybody else who says it get away with it.
As another poster said: get over yourself.
And you thought I never said anything good about you. Even if your arguments are totally wrong.
So, tell us all, what are we teaching those poor children?
As for my soul, you know nada about it but it is safe in the right hands. Is yours?
Feelings hurt? Offended? I would not give you that kind of power. What you say about me is of ZERO concern to me. Spread your vile rantings, go ahead, it harms me not. It sure makes you look like a very hurt person and we all know hurt people hurt people.
We will pray for you.
On February 25th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, undresiege said:
WOW – just WOW
soap & backwoods–methinks someone used turpentine on said anus too!