Now, when we listen to you speak out against all the Communist organizations that back all you Liberal “grassroots” organizations such as Code Pink, D.U., Kos as well as all the George Soros run websites and organizations such as Moveon.org and Kos and others, then maybe we will take you seriously.

But as you seem intent on demonstrating what a screaming hypocrite you are, we will just have to relegate you to the inconsequential area of this board and point and laugh.

“ChicagoTeaParty.com was just one part of a larger network of Republican sleeper-cell-blogs set up over the course of the past few months, all of them tied to a shady rightwing advocacy group coincidentally named the “Sam Adams Alliance,” whose backers have until now been kept hidden from public. Cached google records that we discovered show that the Sam Adams Alliance took pains to scrub its deep links to the Koch family money as well as the fake-grassroots “tea party” protests going on today.”

That’s what many of our politicians today, want to stop. They want to be the “equalizer”, not the people. Control and power is the opposite of liberty. Governments will always try to gain more power. It’s natural for them. When left unchecked, as it is today, liberty disappears. It seems that many people want security over liberty. As Ben Franklin said, “They deserve neither.”

A new sig line for me!

But, don’t forget this:
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In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. From time to time we’ve been tempted to believe that society has become too complex to be managed by self-rule, that government by an elite group is superior to government for, by, and of the people. Well, if no one among us is capable of governing himself, then who among us has the capacity to govern someone else? All of us together, in and out of government, must bear the burden. The solutions we seek must be equitable, with no one group singled out to pay a higher price. – Ronald Reagan from his first inaugural address

On March 1st, 2009 at 8:37 am, Prince Consort said:

Um, no. All of the hostility toward religion comes from two things:

1. Religion puts another God before self, a God who doesn’t acquiesce to moral relativity and changing pop-culture.

Demonstrably false. Go ahead and do a google search on pagan charities and see what you come up with. I think my concerns about linking directly are obvious. However, taking a quick look, I’ve seen food drives and homeless shelters and prison ministry and basically everything attending to the poor you’d expect to see in a group of Christian charities. Again going by a quick google search, atheists seem to like charities, too. Not so many on the specific atheist-associated ones, but they do appear as interested in giving as anybody, and happy with secular options that theists also donate to. (You do know there is at least one pro-life group for pagans and at least one pro-life group for atheists/agnostics?)
Not finding specifically satanist charities, which is not a surprise, but even a short search revealed at least one person talking about having chosen satanism over agnosticism because they were tired of being preached to. The first sites that come up seem to regard it as a brand of atheism that people take up in order to express anger with Christianity. There seem to be different groups using the satanist label. (I didn’t use the word “denomination” because these groups seem to have no actual connection or common belief with each other.)
And this was a short, easy search.

2. Religion’s views on sexuality.

We could never speak about our faith publicly, quietly go to church and get on with our lives and – so long as we still believed in the above two – we’d still be the targets of hostility.

I know lots of Christians who speak about their faith publicly and quietly go to church, without harrassment. I’m not talking about all-Christian communities, either. I don’t know where you live, so maybe your situation is somehow different, but honestly, everywhere I’ve lived has been fine like that.
As far as religion’s views on sexuality, I have hung out with many people, including non-Christians, who did not share my “nothing-until-marriage” views, and not once did anyone ever try to persuade me otherwise or to convince me to participate in anything with which I was uncomfortable, or express so much as mild dislike for me because of my views. Message boards can be a bit rougher, but other religions and viewpoints get the same in that environment.

But, I digress.

Liberty is the greatest equalizer. The free market system gives everyone the opportunity to thrive.

Liberals seem to think that because there are quite a few people out there who choose not to capitalize on their liberty and freedom, that the system is the problem.

It isn’t.

I also believe the free market is the best possible system. When a person honestly struggles within that system, the best help can and will come from private people and not from the government. Private people are also a whole lot better at filtering those who are just taking advantage and at helping people on the road to being self-sustaining, so that people who really need it can get the help and those who have worked for it can keep the fruits of their own labors.

I know a small group of particularly obnoxious religious people that like to SLAUGHTER PEOPLE – and the loony left simply worships them.

“Worship” may not be the right word here, even for the craziest of them. They fail to hold those people responsible for their own actions and try to blame all sorts of people and groups who are in no way at fault, basically every Western government. I think they do buy some of that specific group’s lying propaganda, too, but let’s not forget their exposure is mainly to mainstream media which doesn’t expose much of anything.
Also, “familiarity breeds contempt”- if they had to deal with this group as much as they had to deal with the more obnoxious proponents of Christianity, I imagine the “worship” would dissolve pretty darn quickly.

No – nice try but it’s just mindless hate and rage on the side of the left. They have been taught at an early age a series of lies and propaganda by fervent leftist atheists, satanists, and pagans. They hate out of fear and ignorance, but they hate with a passion that matches the loud minority you’re thinking of.

Please post a link to a site or a description of a book series or similar that is reasonably mainstreamed and that features this particular brand of religious propaganda and lies telling people to hate Christianity. Try to post enough to cover all four categories you mentioned; leftists, atheists, satanists, and pagans. I ask this in particular because a lot of people seem to believe those last two words are interchangeable, and they’re not even remotely the same group.

I think some of the hostility towards religion and/or Christianity in the specific may be partly the fault of a small group of particularly obnoxious religious people. Some beliefs can hardly be stated anywhere without attracting several wide-eyed, young, parroting, patronizing evangelicals.

Um, no. All of the hostility toward religion comes from two things:

1. Religion puts another God before self, a God who doesn’t acquiesce to moral relativity and changing pop-culture.

2. Religion’s views on sexuality.

We could never speak about our faith publicly, quietly go to church and get on with our lives and – so long as we still believed in the above two – we’d still be the targets of hostility.

But, I digress.

Liberty is the greatest equalizer. The free market system gives everyone the opportunity to thrive.

Liberals seem to think that because there are quite a few people out there who choose not to capitalize on their liberty and freedom, that the system is the problem.

It isn’t.