“I hope to hasten the inevitable collapse.”

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 3, 2009 05:17 PM

An excellent wealth producer’s manifesto from Laura at Pursuing Holiness. Read the whole thing.

Related: A great catch from Dr. Helen on how the MSM treats rational business owners as tax “dodgers” while tax cheat Tim Geithner gets a pass.

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  1. #1
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm, 8 My Foot said:

    Just great.

  2. #2
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pm, sonofdy said:

    Laura needs to feed the gerbil powering her website!!!

    ;-)

  3. #3
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:24 pm, flmom said:

    sonofdy said:

    I had the same problem, but you put it so much funnier than I, I’m laughing as I type.

  4. #4
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm, sonofdy said:

    Finally came up, interesting.

  5. #5
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm, DanGrantTx said:

    Does ABC stand for “all bonehead correspondents”?

    Physicians may ‘earn’ a significant amount of money from their billings, but from this amount we have to pay our staff and our other business expenses. Only the remainder is ours. Very few physicians are electing their own office-based practices and instead consolidating into larger physician practice groups because solo or small practice business models are no longer economically feasible.

    If the newshounds are this stupid, it makes me wonder how they have the temerity to call themselves “professionals”. “Professional” what? They have no code of ethics, no public accountability in the form of licensure and/or discipline attached thereto and they have no self-enforcement of their “profession”. Absent any of those factors, journalism is a job and NOT a profession.

  6. #6
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:34 pm, southsideironworks said:

    Lauras site seems to be getting hit hard right now.

  7. #7
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm, Room 237 said:

    This whole “Going John Galt” thing — I do not buy it. I understand that my personal choices will change in the new Obama world. I understand that.

    BUT heading off to Galt’s Gultch is not an option for most of us. I have 2 small kids. Am I supposed to take them off to the woods somewhere?

    I don’t buy it — sounds great but no reality to it.

  8. #8
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:44 pm, sonofdy said:

    BUT heading off to Galt’s Gultch is not an option for most of us. I have 2 small kids. Am I supposed to take them off to the woods somewhere?

    In practical terms this will only work if you have a place prepared and there is a group of people working together, say 5-10 families.

    You could do it otherwise, I even know a place you could do it and most likely never be noticed, but it would not be easy.

  9. #9
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:45 pm, sonofdy said:

    You would grow sick of deer meat.

  10. #10
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pm, NY Andy said:

    Early retirement? Hell, yeah! I’d rather leave my current job and be a greeter in WalMart than contribute to the socialist redistribution.

    Hey, I’ve even got the gray hair for it.

  11. #11
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pm, hunter said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:45 pm, sonofdy said:
    You would grow sick of deer meat.

    You just have to know how to cook it and use as many recipes as possible!

  12. #12
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm, sonofdy said:

    You just have to know how to cook it and use as many recipes as possible!

    I think alot of people are going to get to know deer meat alot better in the next few years.

  13. #13
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:52 pm, Room 237 said:

    In practical terms this will only work if you have a place prepared and there is a group of people working together, say 5-10 families.

    You could do it otherwise, I even know a place you could do it and most likely never be noticed, but it would not be easy.

    That is part of the point — most of us can’t do it (hell, I have not slept in a tent since my college ROTC days).

    So I will do what my parents did in the 60s and 70s — muddle through, make the best of it, and agitate for change in my own small ways (my parents did by driving everyone crazy with talk of Reagan — I will with talk of Sanford).

  14. #14
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:55 pm, sonofdy said:

    That is part of the point — most of us can’t do it (hell, I have not slept in a tent since my college ROTC days).

    Depends on the preasure put on you. But you are correct. Unless we get to the “conservatives into camps” stage, most people aren’t going to go to the bush.

  15. #15
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:55 pm, Mainah said:

    deer meat isn’t so bad. As a small business owner, going John Gault sounds pretty good right now.

  16. #16
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm, hunter said:

    I think alot of people are going to get to know deer meat alot better in the next few years.

    I think you may be correct, that is why it is not only important to arm yourself, not only for protection but for survival, but it would be wise now that spring is coming and it is easy and cheap to buy garden seeds to stock up just in case.

  17. #17
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    OK, this is making my blood boil. As a business owner that employs 23 people, provides benefits, 401Ks, etc., I take issue that the MSM (i.e., flaming liberal do nothing paper pushers) think business owners are tax cheats.

    If you could only see our accountant’s bills you’d think differently. I challenge ANY liberal out there claiming we’re tax cheats and I’ll show you the tax returns, the corporate taxes, the payroll taxes, franchise taxes, unemployment taxes, disability taxes, the who-knows-what taxes we pay on a TIMELY basis. We have never been late or have to pay late fees…ever. Nor have we been audited (but I’m sure that’ll change because Obama probably thinks we still don’t pay enough. 50% isn’t ever enough for flaming liberals).

    Don’t EVEN get me started.

  18. #18
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 pm, southsideironworks said:

    In practical terms this will only work if you have a place prepared and there is a group of people working together, say 5-10 families.

    You could do it otherwise, I even know a place you could do it and most likely never be noticed, but it would not be easy.

    We’re 10 families strong and growing each week. While nobody intends to go “off the grid”, we’ve agreed in theory to cooperation and interdependence on each others resources. It sounds a bit like collectivism, but we’re primarily out to watch each others backs. Everyone has to bring a skill to the table. We’re belt tightening, paying down debts, walking away from gross consumerism, with the side benefit that we’re strangling the “state” by denying them as much sales tax revenue as we can.

  19. #19
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm, sonofdy said:

    but it would be wise now that spring is coming and it is easy and cheap to buy garden seeds to stock up just in case.

    WAY ahead of you. Greenhouse is under construction.

  20. #20
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm, LauraC said:

    I’m feeding the gerbils as fast as I can! LOL.

    I did put up a temp version that is faster to load and I’m trying to install a caching plugin. I’ve recieved the coveted Instalanche a couple of years ago, but this is my second Malkalanche. Malkalanches send a LOT more traffic. Anyway, thanks for your patience… :-)

  21. #21
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:03 pm, sonofdy said:

    We’re 10 families strong and growing each week.

    You might want to consider some farmland. Just a thought.

  22. #22
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:04 pm, NY Andy said:

    It’s not necessary to go native and live in a tent. All that’s necessary is to deprive them of the funds to redistribute by earning a dollar less than the income at which the taxes become oppressive.

    As they have to tax lower and lower salaries to fund their dreams, some of the people who voted to tax the other guy will find themselves in the hole. That is when they will wake up to what this evil man is doing.

    I have a few family members who I would love to hear complaining about high taxes!

  23. #23
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm, Room 237 said:

    OK, this is making my blood boil. As a business owner that employs 23 people, provides benefits, 401Ks, etc., I take issue that the MSM (i.e., flaming liberal do nothing paper pushers) think business owners are tax cheats.

    I know. My mother was a small business owner (an ice cream store), though most of her employees were high school kids, so benefits were not really an issue. But margins were small and profits tended to get plowed back into the business (especially at first). My mother bought it when I was 15. I was expected to spend my free time at the store. If I had nothing to do at home, my mom said go to the store and at least clean the storeroom.

    My father worked for a mail order company. He started on the loading dock and worked his way up to running operations for one of their subsidiaries. He was only a small owner (maybe 1%) but still, he created jobs and created services for people.

  24. #24
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pm, southsideironworks said:

    sonofdy said:

    You might want to consider some farmland. Just a thought.

    Done! We own two small farms.

  25. #25
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm, sonofdy said:

    LauraC, May I recommend the mark19 gerbil. They have been force feed steriods and trained by navy seals. Bouns, if someone hits your firewall, they actualy end up as food for the mark19 gerbil.

    ;-)

    side note, the mark19 is also an automatic grenade launcher in the us army and is fun to fire and fun to watch hitting the target.

  26. #26
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm, Room 237 said:

    It sounds a bit like collectivism,

    Collectivism is fine so long as it is voluntary. I would say it works best if the collective aspect is as minimal as possible (which is what it sounds like) — mutual assistance and sharing of skills.

    Only in a country with a strong emphasis on individualism can such experiemnts survive.

  27. #27
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:09 pm, sonofdy said:

    Done! We own two small farms.

    I wish….

    The land I know about is my fall back, end of the world, the ruskis are coming idea. Because I would be squating. But you would never know it was liveable if you didn’t know where it was.

  28. #28
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm, NY Andy said:

    One of the reasons that liberals think all business owners cheat is they are always imputing their actions on others.

    My sister ran a cash business and while she was agitating for tax raising liberals, she was hiding money away for vacations and other expensive things.

  29. #29
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pm, NY Andy said:

    One of the reasons that liberals think all business owners cheat is they are always imputing their actions on others.

    My sister ran a cash business and while she was agitating for tax raising liberals, she was hiding money away for vacations and other expensive things.

  30. #30
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 pm, flmom said:

    BlameAmericaLast said:

    Ditto to everything you said. Whenever I hear it’s my patriotic duty, or we need to spread the wealth, I feel like screaming. What my company contributes to the economy in the form of taxes alone is more than enough as far as I’m concerned. There is a tipping point where you say, enough is enough, and I’m just about there.

  31. #31
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:16 pm, NY Andy said:

    My chihuahua hit the enter key before I finished #29, here’s the rest.

    The same sister hid an inheritance my mother got so the government would pay for her nursing care and not expect reimbursement.

    An Eastern European I worked with kept complaining about how we didn’t pay enough taxes in the US. His car, computer, and anything else he could, he wrote off as business expenses for his dentist wife.

    They think everyone cheats because they do. They are pathetic excuses for humans and deserve everything their socialist leader has in store for them.

    Unfortunately, we have to suffer along with them.

  32. #32
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm, southsideironworks said:

    The land I know about is my fall back, end of the world,…it was liveable if you didn’t know where it was.

    It was and could still be a consideration. Nobody wanted to succumb to end of the world bunker mentality, what we agreed on and are working towards in my previous message was more palatable than that alternative.

    Ironically, I hope I am crazy/paranoid. I’d miss coffee and chocolate if the world came to an end. I find Odumbo’s policies distasteful, but we’re stuck with them, at least for now.

  33. #33
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:22 pm, jeffshultz said:

    Looks like Laura pulled the article… Should we call that the Malkin Effect?

  34. #34
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm, Room 237 said:

    My parents where older when I was born, my mother having gone through several miscarriages until being told she was infertile. It seems to run in my mom’s family unfortunately. Then SURPRISE, there I was.

    Anyway, they were old enough to remember the tail end of the Depression and rationing during WWII. And in any event, their parents were poor even during the Roaring 20s. So they always kept the basement full of food, and bought extra things when times were good. For example, if there was a sale, my mother bought 3 of what she needed, not one.

    Maybe they were onto something.

  35. #35
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:28 pm, southsideironworks said:

    Room 237 said:

    Maybe they were onto something.

    Yes they were. This is not something I came up with on Nov 5, I have been pushing this on my family for more than a year. It only started gaining traction a few months ago.

  36. #36
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:30 pm, LauraC said:

    I didn’t pull it, I’m just trying to figure out how to keep the server online! :-)

    Here’s Google’s cache of the post.

  37. #37
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm, jjmurphy said:

    Room 237 – You do not have to head off to Galt’s Gulch. Go Galt “in place”. Just minimize any possible income that heads off to the government. I like where I live in NC. This IS my Galt’s Gulch.

  38. #38
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm, LauraC said:

    jjmurphy – exactly! That’s what we’re doing.

  39. #39
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:58 pm, obama_fail said:

    time for a tax revolt ?

  40. #40
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:00 pm, Storm Chaser said:

    I went Galt while working on my PHD. A job counselor told a Navy friend and me that anti- Vietnam veteran feelings were so high we ought to hide our veteran status if we wanted employment in northern colleges.

    I promised myself that insofar as it was possible, I would never again let others determine my destiny. I dropped out, and my wife and I farmed, while she taught school. Over the years we put together enough land that it became our retirement fund.

    We lived through hard times to do it. The year I couldn’t afford new work boots, I repaired what I had with duct tape. When a tractors’ tie rod became too badly worn to stay on, I wired it on. Once, I paid our $10,000 taxes with a credit card. One of our cars is is a 1991 Ford Festiva, and our newest is a 1999 Taurus. I never liked deer, but pheasants and pigeons are good.

    We live two miles from the nearest neighbor. We have a dog, cats, and raise a large garden plus two acres of sweet corn. This year, a neighbor will let us raise watermelons under his center pivot.

    We live frugally, and have no need of Social Security. We own no stocks and never started a 401K plan. With luck the land will be our children’s retirment fund some day. As my great aunt said “never sell the land. It will take care of you.” As the song says, “country folks can survive.”

  41. #41
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:02 pm, Trollman said:

    Thanks for the link, MM. That was awesome. Why oh why don’t we have any Republican politicians who are that principled, articulate, and succinct?

  42. #42
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm, Southpaw said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pm, Room 237 said:
    This whole “Going John Galt” thing — I do not buy it. I understand that my personal choices will change in the new Obama world. I understand that.

    BUT heading off to Galt’s Gultch is not an option for most of us. I have 2 small kids. Am I supposed to take them off to the woods somewhere?

    I don’t buy it — sounds great but no reality to it.

    237, I wouldn’t worry too much about the extreme situation you described. What most of the talk about John Galt refers to is changing the direction of the financial system we are heading for. It is up to us citizens (not our leaders) to ensure that freedom triumphs over collectivism.

    That said, it is always a good reminder to be prepared in case of emergencies. Hurricanes, earthquakes, ices storms (like the recent one in Kentucky) are reminders that storing emergency supplies is always a good idea.

    In the highly unlikely scenario of social collapse, here is what I would expect:
    The worst place to be is in a dense urban environment. Food supples in major cities can only last a few days and violence and starvation would severely reduce the population in a matter of weeks. Most people would not have the means or strength to escape. Remember New Orleans after Katrina? Large, urban cities (where large concentrations of liberals, socialists and dependent people live) would quickly become hellholes while much of flyover America would be just fine.

    And finally, 237, most decent Americans would give their last slice of bread to feed your children.

  43. #43
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:05 pm, Yashmak said:

    My first child will be born in October (SO FREAKIN’ EXCITED!). While that will doubtless increase my personal expenses, it will also keep quite a bit of what the government would otherwise take from me, where it belongs. . .in my pocket. It may not exactly qualify as ‘Going John Galt’, but the effect will be similar.

    :)

  44. #44
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:07 pm, right4life said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:24 pm, Room 237 said

    my parents were much the same, my dad worked on rural electrification and helped build state parks with the WPA (one of those agencies) and I grew up working in the garden, and my mom would can tomatoes, peas, etc in mason jars…those days live only in my memory, but they may be coming back…

  45. #45
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:12 pm, Stillwaiting said:

    Tax avoidance is legal and smart. People who plan their finances well enough to legally reduce their tax burden are playing by the rules.

    Tax evasion is a crime. Tax evaders (dodgers) are those who don’t pay the amount they owe on the taxable income they earned. Geithner the dodger is a tax evader…a tax cheat.

  46. #46
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 pm, txvet2 said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:28 pm, DanGrantTx said:

    Does ABC stand for “all bonehead correspondents”?

    Nope. “Anybody But Conservatives”.

  47. #47
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    More like the All Barack Channel

  48. #48
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:24 pm, jjmurphy said:

    Good point Stillwaiting. Pay what you LEGALLY owe in taxes. A pain, but you’ll sleep better. But there are MANY legal ways to reduce your tax exposure. Make the most of them.

    And Southpaw makes another good point. As someone who lives in hurricane and ice storm country it is just common sense to have a good stock of necessities on hand at all times!

  49. #49
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:40 pm, Boomer said:

    If not for the character flaw ingrained through the teaching of my parents, 25 years of military service, and Judeo-Christian believes we would say the hell with our responsibilities and debt and try to go off the grid. With finding out this year 75% of my wife’s income goes to our identifiable tax burden she will quit working at the beginning of calendar year 2011. Provided we both have jobs by then. No telling what ‘dear leader’ will do to top the unemployment rates of the Carter years (well on his way). A victory garden is planned for our backyard this spring and we will can the proceeds to share among our family, friends, and neighbors. If worse comes to worse we will have no trouble moving to a few selected spots in the local mountains to survive until this clueless regime fails miserably and we can rebuild from the ashes of their failed socialism.

    ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh) Translation: Come and take them!

  50. #50
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 pm, lukespapa said:

    As the owner of 2 small companies, I plan to go ‘John Galt’ in place. I would have never considered this before the election of this marxist thug, but he has made this a necessity.

    …and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks. Luke 6:45

  51. #51
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:43 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm, sonofdy said:
    but it would be wise now that spring is coming and it is easy and cheap to buy garden seeds to stock up just in case.
    WAY ahead of you. Greenhouse is under construction.

    Lots of snow on the ground here in Minnesota, but I have 4 plastic milk jugs out in the snow with seeds planted in them. Apparently, you can make a miniature greenhouse like that, stick them in the snow, and by May, they will have sprouted. It will be fun to find out if it works! Lettuce, peppers, two kinds of perennial flowers.

  52. #52
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:43 pm, jjmurphy said:

    A victory garden is planned for our backyard this spring

    I have recently learned about the joys of Squarefoot Gardening. Amazing what you can grow in a very small plot!

  53. #53
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 pm, LauraC said:
    jjmurphy – exactly! That’s what we’re doing.

    We are ready to hunker down if need be. Already retired, so earning over $250,000 is not a worry. We do have a basement full of canned goods bought on sale over time. And lots of bottled water. My husband has been hoarding food down there for a very long time and I never understood why. He even put up a lot of shelving and food organizers. He is a forward thinking kind of guy. I do think however, if things get actually dangerous, we would move to the small town about 90 miles west of here and live with our daughter. They have an apartment above their garage that would be perfect.

  54. #54
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm, southsideironworks said:

    A home garden is a great idea. The problem is that most people grow too much of one veggie and not enough of another.

    Today, people are leery of home canned(jarred) goods, so consider that problem. Finished goods, whether it be woodworking or something baked, can be sold or bartered.

    Maybe I am out in left field, but if I thought there was enough interest, I could possibly field a blog devoted to some of these ideas.

  55. #55
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm, happyscrapper said:

    This year, a neighbor will let us raise watermelons under his center pivot.

    Or you could steal one from the White House lawn.

  56. #56
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:58 pm, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Happyscrapper, you mean MN doesn’t require a building permit for the green house?…lol I’ve been building my own Galt’s gulch for almost ten years,. My lower level is stocked with all kinds of legumes, pastas, canned goods, batteries are short term issues… and I know how to render drinkable water( God bless the USMC)… and I’m armed, if necessary. I hope it will never come to that, but I will not be found lacking. How did it ever get to this, that we even consider such scenarios… I thought my days of combat were over.

  57. #57
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:05 pm, LauraC said:

    I’m not worried about hunkering down… I’m expecting to relive the Carter years at best, or experience the Depression as my grandparents described it, at worst. But my goal is to reduce my tax burden to to the point that I’m putting in only as much into government as I’m taking out. I don’t want anyone to have to support me, but neither will I support anyone else.

    Oh, and this is amusing – at a Hillary! forum they lifted my whole post (the jerks!) and agreed that people would never “cut their noses off” in this fashion. They doubt “people would choose such a path which reduces their overall net income.”

    What they don’t get is the fact that the government is already taking a huge bite out of my net income; the more I earn, the more they take. So since my choice is to work like a dog to support other people and receive less money myself, or to kick back and receive less money but have more time with my family, I’ll take the latter, thanks. It’s amazing how they just KNOW they can rely on us to support them. I’ll be damned if I’ll keep it up. I’m done.

  58. #58
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:08 pm, southsideironworks said:

    Heh, nevermind, I will just keep my opinions to myself from now on.

  59. #59
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:12 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    but it would be wise now that spring is coming and it is easy and cheap to buy garden seeds to stock up just in case.

    How long do seeds last?

  60. #60
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:12 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    but it would be wise now that spring is coming and it is easy and cheap to buy garden seeds to stock up just in case.

    How long do seeds last?

  61. #61
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm, hunter said:

    How long do seeds last?

    I can’t give you an exact amount of time, but if you keep them dry to avoid premature germination and keep them relatively warm so the germ is not killed by freezing, they will last several years I would expect.

  62. #62
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:14 pm, Dan said:

    How long do seeds last?

    Typically, about a season.

  63. #63
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:23 pm, lukespapa said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:05 pm, LauraC said:

    Well said, Laura. I am with you 100%

  64. #64
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:43 pm, corona said:

    This is not a joke. This is actually what Barry O has to say:

    What I’m looking at is not the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market, but the long-term ability for the United States and the entire world economy to regain its footing. And, you know, the stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics. You know, it bobs up and down day to day. And if you spend all your time worrying about that, then you’re probably going to get the long-term strategy wrong.

  65. #65
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 9:07 pm, obama_fail said:

    We are doomed.

  66. #66
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 pm, John Deaux said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm, happyscrapper said:

    This year, a neighbor will let us raise watermelons under his center pivot.

    Or you could steal one from the White House lawn.

    Now that right there’s funny.

  67. #67
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 pm, John Deaux said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 8:12 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    How long do seeds last?

    There is no hard and fast rule, but generally, the answer is one year, maybe two. Store dry seeds in glass jars in a cool place and they’ll last longer, sometimes a lot longer.

  68. #68
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 9:41 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    There is no hard and fast rule, but generally, the answer is one year, maybe two. Store dry seeds in glass jars in a cool place and they’ll last longer, sometimes a lot longer.

    Thanks. Memo to self: stock up on seeds each spring. And ammo. Lots of ammo.

  69. #69
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 pm, LauraC said:

    Good luck finding the ammo. Gun shows are selling out FAST.

  70. #70
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Whatever seeds you guy, just make sure they’re not sterile seeds.

  71. #71
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 10:31 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Seeds you BUY…sorry.

  72. #72
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 pm, WarTip said:

    Just remember to try to stay healthy if you do live off the grid. We had 110 acres taken from us because my Dad had a heart attack. Living off the grid, taking him home was a crime of elder abuse and not taking him home was a crime of elder abandonment. His refusal to willingly enter the VA meant he was forcefully “committed” into a private hospital chosen by the government and liens put on the land to pay a hospital bill that cost more in a month than I made in a year.

  73. #73
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 11:18 pm, Stillwaiting said:
    On March 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm, happyscrapper said:

    This year, a neighbor will let us raise watermelons under his center pivot.

    Or you could steal one from the White House lawn.

    Now that right there’s funny.

    Why? Is Joe Biden starting a community garden?

  74. #74
    On March 4th, 2009 at 1:44 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm, LauraC said:

    I’m feeding the gerbils as fast as I can! LOL.

    Gerbils do trend to be lazy and wear out after a few thousands laps around the Habitrail.

    Theres a reason my name is what it is! You might want to consider upgrading to a new model of rodent.

  75. #75
    On March 4th, 2009 at 2:03 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    and I’m armed, if necessary. I hope it will never come to that, but I will not be found lacking.

    There was a time when I was a boot camp instructor, we were just starting to integrate men and women together. I was giving a lecture and this little lady wanted to know WHY SHE COULDNT join a ‘certain’ group. And she wouldnt let up.

    So after the lecture was over, I pulled her aside and asked her a simple question: “So you’re telling me you have no problem sneaking up on someone and slitting their throat?”

    She turned and looked at me in horror and said “You mean you might have to kill someone?”

    I didnt hear from her again the rest of the class. :grin:

    When the purges come, its going to take less than 2 weeks for the libs to die of no water. That is IF the Giardia doesnt get them first.

    Then in about 3 months (or less in winter), there’s going to be a LOT of free things to loot because the rest of the people (especially the vegans!) dont know how to acquire food. And a lot of princesses dont know how to kill, clean and prep a raccoon or snake.

    [ @#$%#@%$ now how do I grow soy and seaweed in 2 feet of snow again????? ]

  76. #76
    On March 4th, 2009 at 2:57 am, LauraC said:

    You might want to consider upgrading to a new model of rodent.

    Actually, as part of my new Galtness, I’m shutting the whole server down. I’m in the process of moving my clients off it. I haven’t decided where to host my personal site yet. It’s a real concern of mine that at some point in the not too distant future, the sort of things I’m likely to write won’t be legal. And hosting it overseas isn’t much of a solution either. Kiddie porn is a-okay; blasphemy against Islam or Obamessiah is not so well received.

  77. #77
    On March 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am, CJ said:

    So they always kept the basement full of food, and bought extra things when times were good. For example, if there was a sale, my mother bought 3 of what she needed, not one.

    It actually has a name: the pantry principle. Stores (particularly grocery stores) offer sales called “loss leaders.” Those are the better-than-half-price items on the front page of their advertising flyers that the store offers at a loss in the hopes of attracting you to the store. They figure they will make up the loss on the non-sale items you’ll pick up while you’re at their store (milk, eggs, etc).

    The idea of the pantry principle is that you buy enough of the loss leaders to last you until the next time they go on sale. Rule of thumb is 6 weeks worth, although some items tend to be cyclical. (Hamburger tends to get heavy markdowns around Memorial Day and Labor Day, ham around Christmas.)

    When my kids were little and money was tight, I used to put a cooler in the car. There were 3 grocery stores in close proximity, and I shopped them all. One store had overall lower prices, but the sales weren’t as good. One store had great sales, but overall prices were higher — that one probably lost money on me since the only things I bought there were the loss leaders.

  78. #78
    On March 4th, 2009 at 8:18 am, conservativesRus said:

    On March 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    And that doesn’t even start to cover the “hidden” taxes…environmental compliance reporting just to name one. Not that you didn’t comply – just filling in the stupid report which is 100% non-value added. America is not better off because you filled in the report. The town is not better off. The company is certainly not better off. NOBODY wins by filling in reports.
    The list goes on and on and on.

  79. #79
    On March 4th, 2009 at 9:52 am, Stillwaiting said:

    On March 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am, CJ said:

    Re the pantry principle…My wife does a great job watching for sales and utilizing coupons. As part of her last grocery excursion she come home with 10 cans of kidney beans for 12 cents each (or something like that), free jars of peanut butter, etc.

  80. #80
    On March 4th, 2009 at 10:17 am, MarkD said:

    What I’m looking at is not the day-to-day gyrations of the stock market, but the long-term ability for the United States and the entire world economy to regain its footing. And, you know, the stock market is sort of like a tracking poll in politics. You know, it bobs up and down day to day. And if you spend all your time worrying about that, then you’re probably going to get the long-term strategy wrong.

    What part of the DOW dropping 1000 points a months since he took office doesn’t he understand? The productive class is saying the long term strategy is wrong. Not slow, or ineffective or suboptimal, but wrong.

    Even a Harvard education didn’t teach the Miserable Failure in Chief much.

  81. #81
    On March 4th, 2009 at 10:20 am, MarcoPolo said:

    and I’m armed, if necessary. I hope it will never come to that, but I will not be found lacking.

    My family just bought our first shotgun yesterday. Signed up for classes on Saturdays. If push comes to shove we can’t hold off the military or a mob, but we will take 1 or 2 with us when we go.

  82. #82
    On March 4th, 2009 at 11:20 am, CJ said:

    Rule of thumb is 6 weeks worth, although some items tend to be cyclical.

    Oops. Seasonal, not cyclical.

    Anyway, a good book for the times is Amy Dacyczyn’s The Tightwad Gazette. Some of the numbers are out-of-date, but the principle is the same: the money flowing OUT of a household budget is just as important as what comes IN.

  83. #83
    On March 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Where is lgm or PigeonHasCrapped to defend punishing the hard working?

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