Obama: I’m not a socialist, I just play one on TV
Comedy gold to kick off a new week of market turmoil and Treasury Department incompetence: Barack Obama phoned up the New York Times to clarify, uh, that he’s not really a socialist because an unnamed former administration (here, Barry, let me help you: Bush the pre-socializer) poured billions of tax dollars into failing business, so, uh, he didn’t start it. He’s not a socialist. He just plays one on TV.
Behold the role model of personal responsibility:
President Obama was so concerned that he had appeared to dismiss a question from New York Times reporters about whether he was a socialist that he called the newspaper from the Oval Office to clarify his policies.
“It was hard for me to believe that you were entirely serious about that socialist question,” he told reporters, who had interviewed the president aboard Air Force One on Friday.
Opening the unusual presidential call to reporters by saying that there was “just one thing I was thinking about as I was getting on the copter,” he said it wasn’t he who started the federal government’s intervention into the nation’s financial system.
“I did think it might be useful to point out that it wasn’t under me that we started buying a bunch of shares of banks. It wasn’t on my watch. And it wasn’t on my watch that we passed a massive new entitlement -– the prescription drug plan — without a source of funding. And so I think it’s important just to note when you start hearing folks throw these words around that we’ve actually been operating in a way that has been entirely consistent with free-market principles and that some of the same folks who are throwing the word ‘socialist’ around can’t say the same.”
Translation: We didn’t start the fire, therefore dumping more gasoline on it is not socialism.
Obamanomics: Chains you can believe in.
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Methinks The One doth protest too much…
Just because you are continuing prior policies, doesn’t mean you are not a socialist.
By that logic, Brezhnev was not a communist. He was merely continuing policies set in motion by his predecessors.
I do know many leftists. The honest ones will admit they are socialists. The others deny the definition.
This man will not responsibility for anything. It is always someone else fault.
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Obama, Emmanuel, Reid, and Pelosi are united in their belief that markets are no good, and government is the answer to everything.
How is this not socialism? I don’t care if GW Bush started. If Bush kissed a dude, would that make it any less gay?
Okay Barry. I believe you. You’re not a Socialist.
You’re a Communist.
Feel better now?
Yes obama, you are a socialist. If bush started it, and you were not a socialist, you would have ended it.
I honestly think he is a MARXIST… Not a Socialist. His plans are to destroy Capitalism, and replace it with HIS CHANGE… All for HIMSELF.
Prepare for HIS Civilian Security Force, to keep him in office.
Welcome to the Whine House.
He may not have started it but he has the power to stop it if he so desires. But, we all know he doesn’t desire to stop it.
Why waste a good opportunity to blame someone else for starting what you would have done anyway?
His past associations tell the story of what the politics of this empty suit is. He knows you sell yourself as a centrist to fool the sheeple and once objective number one is achieved, show your true colors.
Since we know his achilles heel, we need more and more vocal criticism of the man called Obama. It’s his krptonite. He can’t stand truthful criticism. He’s always reacted badly to it. Given the right combination, he’ll condemn himself.
I agree with Roman, when you have to go out of your way to tell someone that you are not a socialist, it speaks to me of a guilty conscience.
Of course he could have told them that nationalizing the banks actually makes him (and George Bush) fascist, not socialist. But that kind of subtlety would likely be lost on the NY times.
Is Obama capable of ever taking responsibility for his actions? All he does is whine, whine, whine, and nothing is his fault.
As my mother used to say, “If your friends decide to jump off a cliff, it doesn’t mean you have to.”
Spot on. Saul Alinsky would be proud of his little boy.
OT but interesting.
Over on huffpo, they have decided that the chinesse were right to harras an unarmed american navy ship in international waters because it was americas fault. And dude, why did the chinesse strip to thier underwear???
Well, he can’t be a very good Marxist–he’s still wet behind the ears enough to care to make that phone call…
He’s got a lot more training in the dark side of the force to come.
Or like garlic is to vampires.
Oh, wow! Obviously he IS a Socialist. His voting record is pretty clear on that. His disdain for Capitalism is obvious. His desire to redistribute wealth is not only well-known, but an admitted principle for him. I believe he may be Communist. I doubt that he knows it as yet, but I think its a real possibility.
obie and michelle are communists with a central plan for the governing and running of the economy. take over the banks, take over the insurance companies, take over the health care system. they already took over the education system and the union labor system, not to mention the gubmint workers. so we shut down the auto and power industries and set up the new obama auto and power industries using “clean” technology which he and his politburo control. voila. you have a perfect replica of the ussr. everyone iether works for you, or is beholden to you for their job. what a country.
Obama wrote this. 100% taxation, so long as the government takes care of everything.
Direct from Obama’s brain.
Don’t pee on my head and tell me it’s raining. Obama’s a socialist.
Waiting for lgm to come and tell me a 100% income tax would be a good thing…
WEll, he is sort of right, at least, on “The Compassionate Conservative” having a few socialistic tendencies of his own.
Of course, even with the horrible prescription drug plan (Bush’s excuse/rationale, it removed pressure for an even worse Dem plan, and a campaign issue for the Dems in 2004), Bush never proposed to place the entire health care system under government control, with government bureaucrats taking the role of doctors and insurance companies in deciding how to ration health care.
Let me guess, he’s sacrificing our Republic to save our Republic, right?
It’s funny. When one is Conservative, then one proudly proclaims that one is Conservative.
But when one is liberal or socialist, then one proudly proclaims that one is….Conservative!
Now I wonder why that is?
Well obama is definately excelling in the international crisis arena. He has incidents going on with iran, china, israel, north korea, cuba….
If this keeps up we will have wars in 5 different parts of the world by christmas.
And he doesn’t need to tax 100% when he starts deciding how much everyone should make. Take the costs and manipulate them to make your goods more affordable. No more rich management, no more poor blue collar worker. Everyone just pitching in and Obama decides what to pay them.
He has already stated that he doesn’t think certain people should make what they do, others he has said that he will take a lot more back from them to redistribute to the people he thinks don’t make enough. Change you can believe in. Change from my hand to yours. Otherwise known as buying votes.
Where’s our generations’ Senator Joe McCarthy? He’d be calling out these communistic bastages! This is the Zombie Apocolypse! Run for your lives!
Talk about your broken logic….
Tre… yeah.. that’s a revealing behavior for sure.
Obama’s broken logic that is.
Not Tre’s..
Actually, it should be:
“Obamanomics: Chains you
canwillbelievedie in.Anybody wonder whether he was reading from a script during the phone call? Or had Axelrod whispering the answers in his ear?
Had to. The devil made me do it!!!
A 100% tax would keep people from hoarding money and put it in the economy to help us rebound from the failed Bush economic policies.
/lgm
Happy?
Might want to remember what Vladimir Lenin said … A couple of his more famous quotes:
“Fascism is capitalism in decay.” – Vladimir Lenin
“The goal of socialism is communism.” – Vladimir Lenin
And Karl Marx said this about peace — “The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.”
LGM wouldn’t suggest a 100% tax. He would leave you 1-5%
You radical wingunuts are just greedy.
/sarc off
whewww its hard channeling leftists.
Jack Kinsella wrote:
The above opened the door for the socialist policies of the liberal Dems, including Obama. It’s not a hidden fact that the Democrats wanted to lose the war in Iraq and have a failing economy in order to win the election.
This is a crisis that will not be wasted in order to get their socialist agenda in place.
This obama guy is flat out embarrassing.
Has he lied so effortlessly and endlessly for his entire life that now he thinks we will all believe him?
Narcissism doesn’t quite capture him…
Despotic Narcissistic Reparation-ist.
that fits-
Okay-That clears up everything!
I think they like to be called humanists now,
in keeping with the New World Order
socialisthumanist thingy!To be fair to First Comrade, this drift toward socialism has been going on for at least 100 years. Obama is NOT the cause, but the manifestation of the problem. Bush was far from innocent himself. And let’s be honest, McCain, who’s been silent so far, would not have done much differently. The trend picked up steam in the 1930′s and hasn’t stopped since. All made possible by the US Supreme Court. If we began to reinforce the Founder’s constitution, all this fiscal mess would end overnight.
On March 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm, englishqueen01 said that Obama said:
“Theoretically, there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed…
Actually, that was his Communist Kenyan father, Barack Obama, Sr. Considering how little time they spent together, the similarities are uncanny. I suspect that his mother, Stanley, and Communist mentor, Frank Marshall, kept him up to speed with Daddy’s ideology.
Yep, I said essentially the same thing here. I also noted that Obama voted for the TARP plan which was not “under his watch”.
This is what he has done ever since he was running an election campaign – he gets a tough question, he needs to “consult his team” for the answer. He can’t even be confident in his own positions. YES, Barry, you ARE a socialist. You don’t need to ask your staffers to tell you so. And calling a reporter like he’s your buddy to tell him you’re NOT is more telling that silence.
…and in the Oval Office.
“Owners of capital will stimulate working class to buy more and more of expensive goods,houses and technology, and pushing them to take more and more expensive credits, until their debts become unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks,which will have to be nationalized, and state will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism.”
Karl Marx,1867
Notice how they keep on changing thier name??? anybody would think they are ashamed of something in thier past….
So – why is socialism a bad thing?
“Fascism is capitalism in decay.” – Vladimir Lenin
“The goal of socialism is communism.” – Vladimir Lenin
We are now at Fascism, moving to Communism.
From Wikipedia
Socialism refers to a broad set of economic theories of social organization advocating public or state ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods, and a society characterized by equality for all individuals, with a fair or egalitarian method of compensation.
Well, he wants fairness. Wasn’t that what his community organizing was all about? To bring about fairness? Didn’t Rev Wright preach to him for 20 years that whitey stole from Obamas community and it needs to be paid back? That Americans stole from the rest of the world. It’s just fairness, right?
Why wouldn’t we want equality? Aren’t all people equal and don’t they all put in equal effort? Why should one person be different from another? Or do people put in different skills, experience and effort? Do people have different goals and aspirations in life? Do some do more than others for themselves or for society? Are some lazy, are some energetic? Are some bright and others dumb? Who should be a scientist and who should be a street sweeper?
The big question is who gets to decide all this equality? Who gets to determine how to make all these unequal people equal? Wouldn’t someone always believe they are not equal according to government decision making or the distribution is not fair? I want to be a decision maker, not a decision taker. I think it would be more fair that way. I should have a equal shot to be that unless the color of my skin makes me unequal in order to be fair. My head hurts now.
It usurps freedom. If you really loved your country, you would know that.
Meghan McCain has a problem with Ann Coulter.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2009-03-09/my-beef-with-ann-coulter/
Because it not only usurps freedom, it denies the potential and the choices of the individual for the sake of the “state” and if the individual makes the decision to question socialist leaders, they end up in psych wards, gulags, or mass graves.
There’s a reason why socialist ideologies (communism and Nazism included) took 100 million lives in the 20th century. And that ain’t because it made everyone prosperous and happy.
Was Jesus a socialist?
Repeat after me: we do not have libertarian style laissez faire capitalism. Most people think this is undesirable. We regulate banks. We help struggling companies. We have taxes. We even have graduated taxes, so that richer people pay a greater fraction of their wealth.
You pretend it’s a question of whether, not a question of how much — for taxes and regulation and redistribution. That’s the mark of a wingnut. It might be fun, but it’s not real.
Grow up and be serious if you want to take part in the real conversion about America’s future.
Just be obedient and don’t think for yourself or you will need to be reeducated!
Get back in your pit and wait for someone to come take care of you!
Jesus was non-political and went way out his way to remain that way.
Stupid question.
Don’t know. Ask the 50 million stalin killed.
My mother’s standard response to such a stupid question as “what’s wrong with ______?” was the following:
What’s right with it?
But I’ll bite with the “wrong with” side for a moment.
TAKING from the most productive and giving to the less productive has never been a successful model. It’s been tried by some pretty “brilliant” people along the way and none of them were capable of pulling it off. Given a zero percent success rate, it’s probably not a good idea.
Which is way the dow is down over 50% since the march to socialism really began.
“Hi, I’m Barack Obama. I’m not a Socialist, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
I think I’ll buy me a few more banks…”
You also may want to ask the 50 million mao killed. Perhaps the millions pol pot killed. Or the blissfull members of the wonderfull country of north korea. Or maybe even the joy filled political prisoners in cuba.
Don’t forget Che. And Danny Ortega. And that all-around great guy Ho Chi Minh.
I’m pretty sure Africa has been studded with several Workers Paradises over the years too, yes?
Why would anyone choose to live any other way?
Winston Churchill (whose mother was an American) had some great things to day on this topic:
“Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the State.”
“Government of the duds, by the duds, and for the duds.”
“No socialist system can be established without a political police.”
“Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy.”
“It is not alone that property, in all its forms, is struck at, but that liberty, in all its forms, is challenged by the fundamental conceptions of socialism.”
“‘All men are created equal’ says the American Declaration of Independence. ‘All men shall be kept equal’ say the Socialists.”
“If you destroy a free market, you create a black market.”
“The vice of capitalism is that it stands for the unequal sharing of blessings; whereas the virtue of socialism is that it stands for the equal sharing of misery.”
“Socialism assails the pre-eminence of the individual.”
Just because we HAVE those things, does not make them good, optimal or desirable.
I might point out that the more “regulated” an economy (whether in the name of “fairness”, “power to the people”, or “stabilization”), the more concentrated wealth becomes – not less. Accomplishing exactly opposite the stated goal.
Um no, so don’t even go there.
Please send me my mortgage payment.
What is wrong with socialism?
Spread the wealth around!!
Chavez knows socialism when he sees it and he all but asked Obama to embrace it. Things to make you go hmmmm.
Now there’s a money quote!
Chavez needs some support as things are failing all around him. The next step in his socialist progression is gulags. I am sure he alrady has some on a small scale and most certainly brownshirt thugs to make sure people vote “correctly”.
30 – I didn’t write it. Only quoting it. How I wish I were that eloquent.
See? When you vote “present” when you have the opportunity to vote yea or nay, then it is not your responsibility. When the President signs a bill sent to him by a Democrat run Congress in the spirit of bipartisanship, it isn’t his responsibily either.
This certainly reveals O’Boingo’s sketchy understanding of basic economics. I won’t lecture here on the many ways this is wrong, except to point out that it lacks the basic signal of efficient production: price; implicitly assuming that people won’t respond to a price signal to increase or decrease output, or change to producing a completely different product. Countless are the examples of unnecessary (in the sense that nobody wanted them) products produced by Communist Russian & Chinese factories.
To paraphrase something all will have heard some iteration of …
How can you tell if a liberal is lying?
Their lips are moving !!!
He is using this same logic when explaining the budget with the 9000 earmarks. “This was the budget of the previous administration. Going forward, I will not allow earmarks.” Of course, the previous congress that put the budget forward was the same congress we have now, headed by pelosi and reid. Many of his dumbed down voters have no idea about that so he is safe in lying to them and getting away with it.
Not starting it, but continuing to fund it suggests that one is a socialist?
If that is the standard, how many socialist Presidents have we had since SOCIAL SECURITY was started?
If the market continues, it will be down another 100 points today. Thanks obama.
Good post.
BTW, as far as I know, Churchill’s paternal grandmother was also American – Consuelo Vanderbilt, I believe.
*(sigh)*
Another example of how far, far too many are being “educated” these days.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see this individual next ask something like, “Why is tossing a lighted match into gasoline a bad thing?”
You know full well that isn’t the standard. Social Security was a mistake that could not be fixed without major consequences to the millions who didn’t plan ahead because they depended on SS to take care of them. A socialist is one who does exactly what Obama is in the process of doing to this country right now…and you know it. Stop pretending you don’t know what is going on. Only the dumbest, most uninformed low-lifes in this country are still fooled by that man and drooling over him. Oh, never mind. I guess you are part of that group. My bad.
I too am growing increasingly weary of trying to explain logic and common sense to these morons. It never helps. They still refuse to get it. Is there any way we can ignore these fools in the future? They deliberately try to antagonize us and get us off topic. That is their goal and they succeed. I find it hard to resist answering at times, if only to vent and tell them off. I guess, in that respect, the trolls serve a purpose.
That’s easy…
/lib “logic” on
It causes global warming
- or -
/lib “logic staying on”
“it’s not a bad thing because it would prevent the burning of fossil fuels to cause global warming”
Now my head hurts
/lib “when we do a we get b but we also get c which isn’t as bad as d but not as good as e but to f it would be g but now my head hurts so pass the bong. The government will figure it out for me”
Close. She was not his grandmother, but her husband, the Duke of Marlborough, was Winston Churchill’s first cousin.
Obama is indeed a National Socialist.
Name this leader:
The nation was in shambles. A previous head of state had led the country into an unnecessary war, the economy was failing, and a sense of depression filled the air. Then, a new leader emerged. He was a powerful speaker, offering hope, change, and a fix to the economy. He wrote two books about his experiences and used his literary work to propel him to success. He was an open Christian with some muslim friends. He called for unity and considered himself an advocate of peace. Some of his political opponents cast him as naive and inexperienced. He gave an inspirational speech in Berlin to tens of thousands of Germans. He also had a lot of radical ties, but the media, and ultimately the voters, were willing to overlook that.
One answer is Adolf Hitler.
The Lord wasn’t a socialist.
Yes, he stated that we need to love our brothers & sisters as we love ourselves, (for on that & to Love God w/all you have “hang all the laws of the Prophets”), and taught that we should care for the poor.
but NOT through compulsion by the State, but out of love for those brothers & sisters, and for the sake of the Love we have for He who is The Father of us all!
But it goes further than that. If we pay our Tithe, or give to the poor begrudgingly, He has said that, in relation to our spiritual growth, it is as if we had not performed the act — it is empty obedience!
And, further:
ILMC, you and the attempt of those like you to paint Jesus Christ as a Socialist are highly offensive. Socialism has at its core a denegration of Spiritual Growth: it assumes that people cannot act after the forms of Diety, and therefore will compel people to act in benefiscence[sp?]. This is the opposite of Christ’s Teachings. He didn’t say we couldn’t defeat our base instincts, so johnny law would pluck-out our eyes to makesure we didn’t commit adultery, but rather he told us that doing it is wrong, would eventually make us unhappy while stunting our Spiritual Growth, and he allows us the choice — so *we* can grow spiritually. Just as a Loving Father, God the Father has always taught His children.
You’ve often tried the tract of conflating socialism and Christ’s Teachings here. Satan has done similarly throughout the ages even to these, the latter-days. I warn and forewarn you: learn what you about for God will not be mocked!
Fixed it for BO.
Jesus did not condone the government stealing the people’s money and wasting it on foolish wasetful
socialistporkulus projects.Or the more-than-afew incidents where, in the “interests of effiecency” a soviet shoe factory produced all right-foot shoes for its couple of styles… they’d produce left-foot (its mate) the next year.
Unforunately, the people running things decided to change the styles…
In the meantime, I heard about new car to start production to hit showrooms this fall and designed by the new joint venture (Pub/Priv) ObamaMotors:
2-stroke 2cyl. 1/8hp engine runs on solar cells w/bacon grease assist.
It seats 1 uncomfortably, (2 if someone sits on the driver’s shoulders), has a GPS-mileage-taxometer, and the new remote (ie, the new Congressionally-controlled(tm)) engine shutoff.
It has a swipe-reader for your racecard to disengauge the speed/max-distance govenor and features a combo hotseat(tm) & whine dispenser for card-carrying white liberals.
The name of this very first model from our new auto industry is The Obama-Nation(tm).
The truck version, The One(tm), is expected to hit showrooms in time for Kwanzaa.
How stupid do you have to be to even ask this question? Tell you what, move to Cuba. Move to Zimbabwe. Move to Venezuela. Then tell us all how wonderful socialism is.
The ability to engage in commerce and own property is a fundamental human freedom. But the leftist idiots somehow believe being able to boink anyone you want and abort anything that results is more important.
On March 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, Buy Danish said:
Argh!
Right you are, from what I find.
Guess I gotta go back and check that William Manchester book (The Last Lion) I read decades ago.
Thank you!
Translation: You didn’t call Bush a socialist for similar policies, so why are you suddenly calling me one?
“Not me!”
Little Billy would be proud. Ida Know stubbornly won’t come out to play. Just B. Cause is bullying all the other neighborhood kids.
Teleprompter could not be reached for comment.
You poor people – so angry.
Most of you have confused socialism with communism. In socialist countries the people pay high taxes – in America we pay higher taxes, the big difference is that we can’t use the services.
People pay local taxes, state taxes, federal taxes, gas taxes, sales taxes, propery taxes, etc…
Then we also have to pay for private medical care, private school for our children – so on top of all of the taxes we pay, we have to pay for the services they are suppose to provide.
Yes – Jesus was a socialist – he saw a greater responsibility to all of the Lords children, the implimentation of this responsibility is through socialistic programs – not cut throat capitalism.
Sock, YOU ROCK!
He has an amazing way of using a vast amount of words in order to say absolutely NOTHING!
Now, did he DENY being a Socialist? When asked, did he give a simple one word answer?
All it would have taken was a simple, “No”. But he did not do that. Why? Because he is a Socialist, and he does not want the outright denial to come back and bite him later.
He has a long track record of doing this. He did it concerning Rev. Wright. He did it concerning his aunt. He did it concerning his supposed favorite grandmother.
He has also done it concerning the very important question about whether or not he is even legally eligible to hold the office of the President of the United States. Even that worthless piece of fish-wrap he put up on his website called “Certificate of Live Birth” that means absolutely nothing is nothing more than him not giving a simple answer.
Yet all his apologizers and worshippers keep giving him a pass. The MSM keeps allowing him to skate by on all of this nonsense.
This is all just a game to him and his people. This is some sort of game where they are trying to see just how much they can get away with. It is amature night in Washington, and they are making this country and it’s form of government into the largest laughing stock in modern times. Other nations are laughing at us, mocking us, and knowing that there is not a single adult at the helm.
Look at what N. Korea, Iran, and the other bullies have been doing for the last two weeks. Why? Because they know damn well that there is not a single thing that these children will do to stop them.
Yup, once again I say congrats to all of you who allowed this fool to become elected, either by action or inaction. The fun is just beginning and God help us all if we are able to get through it in one piece.
You still don’t get it, do you? It’s called FREEDOM. You won’t realise how much it means until Obama succeeds in taking it away. At that time, I won’t even say “I told you so” because I will be too hearbroken and too depressed to bother.
Sorry EQ, looks like you had the other moron giving you that line. Seems like he honestly believes the Government has that right to have you working for them and that you are incapable of taking care of and providing for yourself. He also seems to think we pay more money in taxes than the Socialist countries. See…the thing about Liberals is that they will believe anything their masters feed them and never feel that they need to look into it and find out the truth for themselves.
If Kos, DU or HuffPo were to tell them that the moon was made of green cheese, they would try to get a Government bureaucracy started in order to mine it to feed the homeless.
It’s just sad to think that my 9 year old is far more intelligent and informed than these morons.
Ilovemycardboardbox where the government controls me said -
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Oh, and once again, the Liberal tactic of “Was Jesus a such and such? Would Jesus have blah, blah, blah”. This is one of the tactics they throw out when they have absolutely no foot to stand on in an argument and cannot even support their own beliefs. It is meant to try and throw us off, to bring in religion as only their circular logic can cope. It is a backwards way of insulting a Christians beliefs, when the person asking it does not even believe in Jesus or God in general.
I, and most other Christians, would not be so arrogant as to try and assume to know what Jesus would think and feel. What we go on is what his words and actions were. If you actually have read the bible, let alone attend church, you would know exactly what Christ said concerning taxes, but instead all you have done is, yet again, demonstrate exactly how immature ignorant, and hateful you are.
It is such a pity when these guys get booted off the Liberal sites for being too stupid and immature, which considering the source, is saying a lot, and then feel they need to come here are spout their immature BS. Just goes to show you what happens when children have nothing to do once school gets out.
So much anger in you people – is that how your parents raised you?
A Buddhist Monk once told me that people like you folks – always angry – always upset – are just filled with insecurity.
On March 9th, 2009 at 7:46 pm,
This troll is obviously baiting us. Don’t bother with this a$$hole any more. Ignore it and it will soon tire of the game and leave.
It is very rare that one can find a person who is a lampoon of themselves. Yet here he is folks, ILMC is that very person…that rare person who, with every utterance, demonstrates that you can actually be stupid enough to forget to breathe, yet lucky enough to have breathing be a reflex.