Tax cheat Rangel caught on tape: “Why don’t you mind your goddamned business?”

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 9, 2009 06:01 AM

Our intrepid Hot Air TV special correspondent Jason Mattera is back on Capitol Hill! You’ve watched him corner smear merchants Jack Murtha and John Kerry, ask William “Cold Cash” Jefferson for bribe-freezing tips, and roam the Democrat National Convention in an orange Gitmo suit exposing far Left insanity. This time he catches tax cheat Charlie Rangel and confronts him about his mounting ethical and financial scandals.

Charlie Rangel’s message for Jason – and for all you bothersome taxpayers wondering about his shady rental property deals, publicly-subsidized Cadillac, and unpaid taxes:

“Why don’t you mind your goddamned business?”

Because, you damned corruptocrat, you are a servant of the public — not the other way around.

Paging Nancy “most ethical Congress ever” Pelosi. Paging Nancy Pelosi…

(Cross-posted at Hot Air); special thanks to camerawoman Alyssa Cordova

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  1. #101
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:02 pm, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

    Hmmm, so cities with heavy industry not under the thumb of UAW, like Honda and Toyota plants, contribute to their local economies, while industries controlled by the UAW don’t.

    Interesting concept. Toyota actually lost money for the first time in forever, whereas the unionized automakers have been losing money for forever.

    Lesson in their somewhere.

  2. #102
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pm, Misscheryl said:

    TERM LIMITS!!!!

  3. #103
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Then why did these cities thrive when the industry was there? As has been mentioned, these places have been controlled by Democrats for ages now.

    Now why would we go to something called ‘Globalization’? Surely it couldnt have anything to do with Unions and something called the ‘profit motive’ could it?

    I bet its because overseas workers are much more skilled and adept at new technologies that Americans workers just cant be trained to understand.

  4. #104
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:07 pm, AnOldMan said:

    It would seem to me those big cities are almost all controlled by Democrats, and are supporters of big unions. Unions mean higher wages, (yep I know that’s the whole point), higher costs for the employers. Why do you think Walmart is the largest retailer in the world? They can afford to stay in business by controlling costs.

  5. #105
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, swede said:

    It’s not the “heavy industry” that has caused the city to decline – it’s the policies of the city.

    Slightly OT perhaps, but did anyone get the irony of Dear Leader telling folks in Elkhart IN he’d restore their jobs? They make RV’s – purchased by the 5% he’s going to tax to death, and which might get 8 MPG on a good day going downhill with a tailwind. Just saying.

  6. #106
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:10 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hmmm, so cities with heavy industry not under the thumb of UAW, like Honda and Toyota plants, contribute to their local economies, while industries controlled by the UAW don’t.

    Okay. Blame the unions. But that is different from the original argument.

  7. #107
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Why do you think Walmart is the largest retailer in the world?

    Unions will be the death of Wal-Mart. And watch every small-town community go up in flames when everyone in the local area can no-longer acquire low-cost goods anymore.

    On the other hand, it will return ‘mom and pop’ entrepreneurs to the fore-front, but it will no longer mean wide ranging choice and cheap goods.

  8. #108
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, RogersUmp said:

    The republicans should step up disclose their tax status to the press…paid in full, in arrears, in dispute and challenge the democrats to do the same as a show of good faith. Congress needs to be more transparent…PBO said so. What percentage of Congress has a ‘tax problem’ and compare that to all taxpayers. I would bet they have a higher percentage than the general public. Where are Sharpton and Jackson when you need a good shakedown??

  9. #109
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Okay. Blame the unions Bush. But that is different from the original argument.

    Fixed it…

  10. #110
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm, Straight_Talk_Luigi said:

    Blasphemy!

  11. #111
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:17 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Slightly OT perhaps, but did anyone get the irony of Dear Leader telling folks in Elkhart IN he’d restore their jobs? They make RV’s – purchased by the 5% he’s going to tax to death, and which might get 8 MPG on a good day going downhill with a tailwind. Just saying.

    Swede, my husband caught it immediately! He’s from Michigan and knows about industry in Indiana. Course, that dumba_ _ Obama doesn’t tell the whole story. He just carries on with his schpeal about how he is going to “fix” everything. I don’t know who is dumber, Obama or the voters in places like Indiana who should see the writing on the wall. Morons!

  12. #112
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:22 pm, Ty85719 said:

    Mr. Rangel, your business is our business

  13. #113
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, b-cat said:

    They think they are our overlords. Seriously.

  14. #114
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:30 pm, shooter said:

    TERM LIMITS!!!!
    But, how can you get the criminal to vote to limit his own power???

    Somehow it needs to be done.

  15. #115
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    TERM LIMITS!!!!
    But, how can you get the criminal to vote to limit his own power???

    Grandfather it.

  16. #116
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm, iamsaved said:

    Okay. Blame the unions. But that is different from the original argument.

    Unions = Democrat

    Circular argument isn’t it?

  17. #117
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Ok, if we can’t do term limits..let’s tar and feather them.

  18. #118
    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, John Deaux said:

    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, swede said:
    It’s not the “heavy industry” that has caused the city to decline – it’s the policies of the city.
    Slightly OT perhaps, but did anyone get the irony of Dear Leader telling folks in Elkhart IN he’d restore their jobs? They make RV’s – purchased by the 5% he’s going to tax to death, and which might get 8 MPG on a good day going downhill with a tailwind. Just saying.

    I’m sure the network news will go back to Elkhart in a year or so and do a scathing piece on how the stimulus didn’t help.

    Not holding my breath.

  19. #119
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:08 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Unions = Democrat

    Circular argument isn’t it?

    Agreed: Rust Belt cities are declining on a rocket sled because their Democrat mayors have made it impossible for them to thrive.

    In their myopic view to tow the Dem-line, these mayors have foregone providing tax, fee and permit/regulatory systems under which manufacturing can prosper, in order to appease unions and machine bosses, and have failed to show any signs of creativity and initiative in attracting new businesses to replace those lost overseas.

    It’s shameful.

    Unions will be the death of Wal-Mart.

    And too, Toyota which would take its car-builder-to-the-world ball and go elsewhere if the Obama ad were to attempt forcing it into the UAW’s salivating arms.

    Like you said, unionizing Wal-mart and Toyota would be the end of jobs and communities where these companies are the sole source of lucrative employment and revenues.

  20. #120
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:15 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Okay. Blame the unions. But that is different from the original argument.

    I got here late – Rangel ruined Detroit?

  21. #121
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    And too, Toyota which would take its car-builder-to-the-world ball and go elsewhere if the Obama ad were to attempt forcing it into the UAW’s salivating arms.

    I believe they just transferred production of the Tacoma from Fremont to Mexico. Too early in the morning to chase it all down. But Camrys are going to the US south (Tennessee?) from Japan or something. Wake me after my second cup of coffee.

  22. #122
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    This intrepid reporter has got a lot of guts. Doesn’t he know that no one, and I mean no one, is permitted to ask these politicians ANYTHING that hasn’t been pre-screened and deemed politically-enhancing for the politician. We better get going on highlighting the arrogance and sheer criminality of these politicians since no liberals are going to read MM. Write to your newspapers on this issue and hope somewhere someone will publish it.

  23. #123
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, av8tr said:

    Classy, Charles.

    Classy.

  24. #124
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    You don’t step on Superman’s cape. You don’t spit into the wind. You don’t pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger.
    ***
    And you DON’T MESS AROUND WITH CHARLIE RANGEL! I would hate to meet this Corruptocrat in a dark NYC alley after having gotten in his face. Watch your back Jason Mattera–you may have ticked off the Godfather! Charlie’s smile looks like one I saw in the JAWS MOVIE.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

  25. #125
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm, William said:

    Typical Charlie Rangel; smarmy, arrogant, and self centered as usual.

    Rangel’s arrogance, condescension, and self righteousness leads to his predictable behavior, and the virtually predictable response.

    Rangel did not disappoint.

    I doubt that the Democrat Congress will raise a finger to employ any punitive action against Rangel, nor will they want to discuss this “dirty laundry” in public.

    Result?

    Rangel goes untouched, the people continue to get the thumb in the eye, and the leftists-liberals-Democrats continue to ruin a once great nation at the political-governmental level.

    By the way, will Rangel and the Democrats now have us investigaged and harassed for voicing our opinion on this blog?

  26. #126
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pm, swede said:

    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:15 pm, AlohaGuy said:
    I got here late – Rangel ruined Detroit?

    Sorry AG, this thread is so OT I just saw a sign saying “Beijing – Next Left”
    My bad.

  27. #127
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pm, William said:

    No surprise! Typical Charlie Rangel; smarmy, arrogant, and self centered as usual.

    Rangel’s arrogance, condescension, and self righteousness leads to his predictable behavior, and the virtually predictable response.

    Rangel did not disappoint.

    I doubt that the Democrat Congress will raise a finger to employ any punitive action against Rangel, nor will they want to discuss this “dirty laundry” in public.

    Result?

    Rangel goes untouched, the people continue to get the thumb in the eye, and the leftists-liberals-Democrats continue to ruin a once great nation at the political-governmental level.

    By the way, will Rangel and the Democrats now have us investigaged and harassed for voicing our opinion on this blog?

  28. #128
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:51 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    “Why don’t you mind your goddamned business?”

    Because, you damned corruptocrat, you are a servant of the public — not the other way around.

    The power and perks of being a Congressmen, Senator, high level bureaucrat and such does give these people a sense of entitlement that would put the rest of us in jail. If ever Tax cheat Rangel was an honest man I do not know but as he comes from the 15th District of New York I have my doubts- it does cover Rikers Island!

    We of the Right- as in Correct- have had our hearts broken when someone we admired and supported turned up dirty–we separated from and cut them off.

    Those of the Left- as in wrong- support and embrace the thief, the grifter, child molester and perjurer. Republican Bob Ney was forced to resign while Congressman William “the Refrigerator” Jefferson of Louisiana basks in the Glow of the Obamination.

    But then several members of the Black Caucus have accused both Nancy Pelosi and George Bush of planting the money in the Freezer–and you thought P & B could not work together.

    But then I must ask: What is the sense of having power unless you can abuse it?


    Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns

  29. #129
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:51 pm, William said:

    Is that a clip from “The Godfather?”

  30. #130
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm, tarpon said:

    Arrogance, it’s the power of the tyranny of the majority. Especially while the half dead media parrot is still riding shotgun.

    Do you part to kill the parrot, cancel all print and big media publications TODAY! Especially newspapers.

  31. #131
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm, chapoutier said:

    Too early in the morning to chase it all down.

    Maybe if you lived in a proper time zone and not a commie/islamofasctist one, this would not be a problem.

  32. #132
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, rightisright said:

    Rangel a perfect example of why we need term limits…Rangel is just one of many. Best way to get rid of this type of scum is term limits. The mood in America is right for candidates to campaign on a term limit platform. What ever the correct number, 12 years tops. for Senator or Representative. Any longer they become corrupt if not when they started. Raise their pay, to help motivate honesty while in office, it will save us money in end, just look at the crooked, cheats we have in office now for 20 plus years. This would also apply to local and state reps.
    There’s a lot of good people out there that would love to serve their country in this manner, but are restricted by money and influence held by incumbents.

  33. #133
    On March 9th, 2009 at 1:59 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    I got here late – Rangel ruined Detroit?

    No, that was a Tomato that Ate Detroit.

    I can’t find a link but I THINK there was such a movie or spoof or such. But Charles Rangle is pretty much a spoof or such. Perhaps Greek Tragedy would be more appropriate. Late Night B-grade movie-CharlesZilla with English subtitles?

    Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns

  34. #134
    On March 9th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Maybe if you lived in a proper time zone and not a commie/islamofasctist one, this would not be a problem.

    日光節約時間不僅使情況變得更糟…

  35. #135
    On March 9th, 2009 at 2:22 pm, KaosKlerik said:

    On March 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am, chapoutier said:

    One person not yet caught in corruption probes, in a city known as a failure across the board, with a murder rate of Baghdadian levels, and you’re going to cite the District of Columbia?

    Yes. And by the way, DC murder rates have plummeted in the last decade under the leadership of another very good black former mayor, Anthony Williams.

    Fenty does seem to be a decent man and I hope he stays that way.

    I notice you failed to respond to the “failure across the board” portion. Corruption is still the order of the day in DC politics. The schools literally crumble around the students, scores of schools are unable to open every fall due to significant maintenance failures despite the fact that DC spends more money per student than everywhere but Hawaii!

    The money is siphoned off at multiple levels leaving the schools only able to get a leaky roof repaired when they can’t open.

  36. #136
    On March 9th, 2009 at 2:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    I am just going to assume that translates to: “I agree completely and implore your forgivenss for my transgressions.”

  37. #137
    On March 9th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, chapoutier said:

    “failure across the board”

    I would say that is a wee bit of an overstatement. DC does have a lot of problems, schools being the primary one, but it does manage to get by and provide basic functions, despite a number of unique challanges, not the least of which a good portion of its best real estate is not subject to property tax.

  38. #138
    On March 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm, deusexmachina said:

    A first reaction to the insanity was chatter and blog posting. The second reaction to the mess is the Tea Parties and restrained public displays. But nothing will change until the politicians feel the real, physical heat from the displayed anger of the people. One does not advocate same, but as a spectator, it is almost inevitable as a next escalation… It is a Churchillian forewarning….

  39. #139
    On March 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    Wow, Aloha, I just popped that in here and the translation actually came out semi-intelligible. Nice site.

  40. #140
    On March 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, T-Bone said:

    Rangel can not be guilty of any crime. Good for him that he is able to cheat a little to get something back. Its the only way he can compete in this world.

    He is teaching his constituents that lesson every day. They support him because of all the “good” he does for them. They can’t give up that good because of a little impropriety. He is the only leader they know. He has power in Congress and they do not want to give that up.

    Its like a thief in your household that you don’t turn on because the thief brings in money, cars, tvs, new clothes etc. Its hard to give those ill gotten gains up because they are gains. As you are watching the big screen, you never think about the poor sap that worked for his money and had it stolen from him. You just keep rooting for your team. Ditto for Sir Tedward Kennedy.

  41. #141
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, Capt Kirk said:

    It’s absolutely shocking how little media coverage this guy gets. I can only imagine the pile of coals he would be drug through if he were a conservative.

    It’s criminal the way the media and the democrats collude.

    Side Note: I need help at another site, the libs are killing me and dominating everything. Bannination

  42. #142
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, BlameAmericaLast said:

    Hmmm…great opportunity to compile all of these “incidents” and make an ad for the 2010 elections.

  43. #143
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:05 pm, right_on said:

    Mind your business? Hey Chuck, you were sent to Washington to work on “the people’s business,” not to enrich yourself. This IS our business! I wish there were some brave souls out there that would make it their business to remove him from office, and put him behind bars.

    I have picture of Charlie Rangel in my minds-eye, of being taken away in shackles…much like Khalid Sheik Mohammad. Remember that picture of him at the time of his capture…unshaven, disheveled, in his filthy t-shirt? It is an outcome I devoutly wish would come true!

  44. #144
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, happyscrapper said:

    I have an idea. I imagine that many of you have a stash of those little bars of soap that you get at motels? Maybe we should all send Rangel a bar of soap and suggest he lather up and clean out that filthy mouth of his. (Respectfully, of course!) If you don’t have any the little ones, a bigger one will do just fine. Pass the word. Oh, and if he doesn’t know what to do with the soap he doesn’t use…he could give them to his criminal friends already in prison, reminding them not to bend over to pick it up if dropped. OR, he could take a long hot shower and try to get the stench off. Lots of use for soap, but unfortunately, it can’t get down to the core of his being and clean up the blackness of his soul.

  45. #145
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On March 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am, chapoutier said:
    And by the way, DC murder rates have plummeted in the last decade under the leadership of another very good black former mayor, Anthony Williams.

    Link please. Also, I bet the man slaughter rates offset the “murder” rates. I just looked at the states rates and all of gone down but none have “plummeted”.

  46. #146
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Rnagel is just pissed he couldn’t take Bush’s office.

  47. #147
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:18 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Maybe if you lived in a proper time zone and not a commie/islamofasctist one, this would not be a problem.

    Not sure who you were talking to, but I suspect someone on the left coast. I live in a proper time zone, Chap. Minnesota! My news comes on at 10:00 local time, not 11:00 (way past bedtime) or 8:00 (too early!!). Central time is best! End of discussion.

  48. #148
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:19 pm, tw914 said:

    yano, I hear the Howard Beal shout comming on the wind. I just wonder when it’s gonna make itself heard. i mean,besides all of us that already know it. I feel it at work, at my stores i deliver to, up and down the road every day. Any takers yet? enough of this nonsense. I feel every day is another 15 pages in Atlas Shrugged. A is A and for sure 0 is 0.

  49. #149
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Another good use of a bar of soap is to mention that it is also a symbol of “behind bars”, where he belongs.

  50. #150
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    Link please. Also, I bet the man slaughter rates offset the “murder” rates. I just looked at the states rates and all of gone down but none have “plummeted”.

    Here.

    For the 8 years while Williams was mayor, murder rates averaged about 37.8. Murder rate for the 8 years prior was average of 64.35.

  51. #151
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, cheapseat said:

    could it be that 3 strikes rules and crack downs on gangs have had some effect on those plummetting murder rates, not to mention 6 years of near record unemployment and increasing prosperity. YES I KNOW THE LAST YEAR SUCKED; BUT RECORDS USUALLY LAG A YEAR.

  52. #152
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, rightwingmom said:

    Wake up America…

    we’re being destroyed by a handful of socialist!

    They think we work for them!

  53. #153
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    District of Columbia Crime Rates 1960 – 2007
    1960 Population 763,956 murders 81
    1997 Polulation 529,000 murders 301
    2007 Population 588,292 murders 181

    Mesa, Arizona
    2007 population 439,600 murders 14

    Tucson, Arizona
    2007 population 544,000 murders 51

    Sadly Tucson is 100 miles closer to the Senora War Zone than the Valley is; fortunately it is 1952 miles from the War zone of “DC murder rates have plummeted in the last decade under the leadership of another very good black former mayor, Anthony Williams.” If you are six feet or sixteen feet under water you are still underwater.

    We Bitter Hicks, Spi cs and N— of Arizona have very few of the gun controls of the Sophisticated and Urbane city of DC. Here we consider ourselves citizens–try it, you might like it.

    Those very few gun control laws of which I speak? We are working to lessen the number and scope of that blight on our Rights as Free People.

    But take your pick 14/51 or 181.

    Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns

  54. #154
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    Wow, Aloha, I just popped that in here and the translation actually came out semi-intelligible. Nice site.

    That actually worked ok. The English to Chinese was Google speak. Note that I chose “Traditional Chinese” as opposed to “Commie Chinese”. It’s my token resistance against the oppression of this Time Zone.

  55. #155
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Chap,

    Interesting. Also note the during the highest murder rate, 25% of the people left and didn’t come back. Watch what happens as the population comes back. The “stats” are already showing an increase with the increase in population.

    Too many factors to credit one man IMHO.

  56. #156
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, CW4_KGP said:

    On March 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am, chapoutier said:

    One person not yet caught in corruption probes, in a city known as a failure across the board, with a murder rate of Baghdadian levels, and you’re going to cite the District of Columbia?

    Yes. And by the way, DC murder rates have plummeted in the last decade under the leadership of another very good black former mayor, Anthony Williams.

    And you can expect the rates to drop more now that law abiding citizens have regained their Constitutional right (as guaranteed by the Second Amendment) to “keep and bear arms.”

    We all know that criminals pay strict attention to that law /sarc on/, and that’s why the rate really never was that bad. /sarc off/

    I worked in DC area for 3 years, and never felt safe unarmed. And I made it a point to avoid meetings at USCG HQ!

    CW4

  57. #157
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    Too many factors to credit one man IMHO.

    Oh I absolutely agree. But it is interesting that in the US in general, after 1999 murder rates either levelled off or started to creep back up.

    In any case, I think if you were to ask most people in and around DC, they would say for the most part Tony Williams did, and Fenty is doing, a very admirable job.

  58. #158
    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:58 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On March 9th, 2009 at 3:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    In any case, I think if you were to ask most people in and around DC, they would say for the most part Tony Williams did, and Fenty is doing, a very admirable job.

    Eh – when you start at the bottom, there is little more you can do but go up.

  59. #159
    On March 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pm, graysonret said:

    Rangel is arrogant because he knows he can get away with it. All the liberals and rinos there, know they have the country wrapped up and silenced. There is so much corruption, kept quiet by the MSM, that they could care less about any accusations. When the citizens say “enough”, it may be too late. “No earmarks” Obama is leading them.

  60. #160
    On March 9th, 2009 at 4:11 pm, SeniorD said:

    I worked in DC area for 3 years, and never felt safe unarmed. And I made it a point to avoid meetings at USCG HQ!

    Wish I could say the same. Worked for a now dead, gone and buried company with equipment at USCG HQ/Buzzards Point back in the (ahem) early ’80s.

    Couldn’t carry my .45 Colt, but sure as heck made sure my nunchuks were close at hand.

  61. #161
    On March 9th, 2009 at 4:21 pm, T-Bone said:

    For the 8 years while Williams Bush was mayorPresident, murder rates averaged about 37.8. Murder rate for the 8 years prior Clinton years was average of 64.35.

    Give the credit where credit is due. Way to go W.

  62. #162
    On March 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Couldn’t carry my .45 Colt, but sure as heck made sure my nunchuks were close at hand.

    And just where can I find my New Best Friend SeniorD? Colt 45 you say?

    (yes envy is wrong but SeniorD started it)

    I have a Blackhawk New Model in Colt 45, it is enough-fine revolver, but a Colt 45 you say?

    Buddy


    Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns

  63. #163
    On March 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pm, William said:

    Is the MSM talking about this?

  64. #164
    On March 9th, 2009 at 5:56 pm, RetFireman said:

    Unions always seem to be the biggest “Boogie-Man” when people start talking about the Nation’s economy. Right away, people start screaming the evils of unions, that there is no place for them, that their time has passed etc.

    Sorry, but that just is not the case.

    It is not the Unions that are bad, it is the individual locals and certain National/International leaderships that are bad and corrupted.

    Let’s take the auto industry, for example, since so many people are talking about it. Why is it, do you think, that the non-unionized plants have as good, or sometimes, better benefits and pay than the unionized plants? Do you honestly believe it is out of the goodness of the owners and management’s hearts? No, it is out of fear of the plant going union.

    Why is it, do you think, that businesses and corporations have rules and why is it, do you think, there are laws governing how many hours a person can work, how much he can get paid, how much overtime is worth, whether or not there is medical, dental, vacations, sick-leave, maternity leave etc., etc., etc.? Do you think that the owners of all these companies and later the governments of the individual states and even the Federal Government just up and decided that they could not stand by and allow people to be worked to death and not be covered by medical and such?

    No. It was the unions that brought all that about and it is the unions that continue to work towards making sure such things never return.

    THAT BEING SAID:

    The problem today, as I mentioned, is the fact that individual locals as well as National and International executive boards have become corrupted over time. Call it the Mob influence, call it whatever you want, but basically it is nothing more than power and money that has done it and the quest and desire for more.

    It is that same greed that they use to go out and tak to the Rank and File membership and convince them that it is better to run a company into the ground by not helping the business stay afloat, taking a temporary pay cut until an agreed upon time. They have convinced the auto makers in Detroit that rather than lowering their salary, which is arguably ridiculous for what they do, that they should, instead, stand firm in their demands and “not give anything up, else you will never get it back…” which then lead to them losing their jobs entirely when the plants were forced to close due to the fact that the “supply” and cost there of could not keep up with the cost of their “demands”.

    This is what is happening now. While the auto makers are sruggling to stay afloat with people tightening their belts and not buying new cars or buying cheaper made non-union cars, the locals are telling their rank and file that they must not take the cut, else they will not get it back. The R&F, being mostly uneducated in such matters and believing that the local always has their best interest in mind, buys into it and thus ends up wit nothing.

    I am a member of two unions, and have been a “Union Guy” for the last 25 years, in one manner or another. I still support the unions for what they originally stood for and what it would mean if, one day, they were to no longer exist. However, I am thoroughly against what it is they are doing to their members and their reputation as well as to businesses across this country. Until the R&F wise up and realize that the Executive Boards ultimately are looking out only for themselves, they will continue to kill the industries that have made this nation the biggest, best and richest in the history of the world, forcing more and more corporations out of here and into places where people are willing to put their families and well being ahead of their wallets.

  65. #165
    On March 9th, 2009 at 6:41 pm, FilmLadd said:

    On March 9th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, RogersUmp said:

    The republicans should step up disclose their tax status to the press…paid in full, in arrears, in dispute and challenge the democrats to do the same as a show of good faith. Congress needs to be more transparent…PBO said so. What percentage of Congress has a ‘tax problem’ and compare that to all taxpayers.

    I think a clever reporter should be asking BadOdor something like:

    “Mr. President, given that so many of your appointees have had difficulties with their taxes, don’t you think it’s about time to go to a flat or fair tax? Don’t you think these problems with your appointments attests to the impossibility of legally obeying a tax code that is hundreds of thousands of pages long? After all, how does anyone obey a law that no human being would ever have the time to read?”

  66. #166
    On March 9th, 2009 at 6:53 pm, T-Bone said:

    My take on Unions is that they grew from a particular need. Protecting employees from unscrupulous management practices. There was real value there. Its easy to say you should just quit if you don’t like the terms but sometimes other considerations like location come into play.

    However, I believe Unions have arrived in places where there really is no need for them. Good management does not take unfair advantage of its employees. They value them as a resource. Even if it is just turning screws. Market conditions determine wages. Available labor pool etc. Working conditions and wage and hour laws are already in place in many cases. Unions have just taken on the role of shifting profits from managment to worker bee. Thats where I have a problem. Management takes the risk and therefore should get the return.

    Workers do not take the risk, did not create the company, etc and should not receive payment for that. The labor pool determines their payment. If they want to invest in the company and assume some risk, then they should receive some return (or loss) in addition to wages. Usually they can not. Each year or so, they use their collective might to get more and more of the profits without assuming more and more of the risk. Some of these companies have given in to the demands because now they have no choice and the unscrupulous types are now the Union workers.

    Management makes agreements they know will ultimately lead to the companies failure but the alternative is immediate failure. What’s a fellow to do? Not to mention Mob affiliations and Union leaders sucking the members dry under whatever pretense they devise.

  67. #167
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:10 pm, chapoutier said:

    T-Bone,

    Setting aside for a second whether or not unions have outlived their usefulness, what exactly makes you think that what motivated management in the past would not motivate management now? Why would there be voluntary “good” management now when it was lacking in the past? Why would management all of the sudden be come more magnanimous?

  68. #168
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:21 pm, travlinman said:

    Probably already stated above, but I hope that clip plays all over America, and in Brooklyn, by Rangel’s next opponent.

    Sorry Charlie, “It is our G*dd*mn business!”

  69. #169
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:29 pm, William said:

    Is any MSM outlet covering such despicable behavior?

  70. #170
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:32 pm, William said:

    Testing

  71. #171
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:32 pm, jdsmith0021 said:

    Money!

  72. #172
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:41 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Unions always seem to be the biggest “Boogie-Man” when people start talking about the Nation’s economy.

    Maybe so and that was a good educational essay.

    I’ve been a union guy before (not by choice), I grew up while my parents were in a union and Ive done what you have done in a much smaller capacity. I have two close relatives that push for Wal-Mart to be unionized.

    I’ve established my position many times here in the past: In general I am opposed to unions but in specific situations I find them of value.

    They just hold no value to me personally. I dont see the need that I should have someone else look after my ‘well being’. I dont want someone else to tell me to sign a piece of paper or that I will not get a job. I dont want someone else to know my vote unless I want them to know it. I dont want someone else to negotiate for me. I dont want someone else to tell me when I am going to go on strike.

    I can negotiate my own salary and benefits for myself. If I dont have a good enough package, then I train myself for a different career and new employment. Or I can start my own company.

    BUT NO ONE TELLS ME IF I AM GOING TO CROSS A PICKET LINE OR NOT. I may find a strike worthy…. or I may not. I make that decision, not a union. Dont call me a scab or not be my friend/co-worker when a strike is over. You can debate your position or you can ask me nicely, but never forcefully or through intimidation try to stop me.

    I wont tell someone to not be in a union – so no one should try and tell me that I need to be in a union.

    Its all relative :grin:

  73. #173
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:52 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Daily life is just one simple SWOT analysis.

    Mixed with a little Risk Analysis and Threat Mitigation

  74. #174
    On March 9th, 2009 at 8:59 pm, T-Bone said:

    The point is that things are different now. Managers learn in college and on the job the value of employees. They understand the Human Resource Asset model. They see that turnover is costly and impacts the bottom line. Training, hiring, lawsuits, etc are negative aspects of employee turnover. I am not being all inclusive here. Not all managers get it or want to get it. I think that a much larger number of top managers do understand it nowadays than they did in the early days of Unions in America.

    There are also a lot of laws on the books from OSHA, to wage & hour, to discrimination that help to protect the employee that were not there in the past. I don’t think it has happened all of a sudden. I think it is still evolving today but huge improvements have been made in management/employee relations. Many, as pointed out by Retfireman, because of the influence of Unions. However, Unions have also created a divide in Management/employee relations. It is certainly more difficult to run a company when you need to get the involvement of another “management team” of Union reps. I can see an instance where their expertise could be helpful but also where their ignorance or differing goals create an obstacle to running the company and make it less competitive in the marketplace. I still think Unions have their value & their place but are not valuable in every place.

  75. #175
    On March 9th, 2009 at 9:07 pm, chapoutier said:

    Managers learn in college and on the job the value of employees.

    They may know the value of employees (plural), but that does not mean they value the individual employee. Capitalism in its purest form assumes all parties have equal bargaining power to enter into contracts, be it for goods, services, or employment. Now obviously equal bargaining power is more aspirational than realistic, but often times the ONLY way to acheive anything close to equality for the employee is to pool his relatively small amount of power with many others in the same situation.

    Of course, this can mean the pendulum swings too far the other way (as seems to be the case with the UAW, at least) but it doesn’t mean we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  76. #176
    On March 9th, 2009 at 10:36 pm, William said:

    Interesting.

    Typical Charlie Rangel; smarmy, arrogant, and self centered as usual.

    Rangel’s arrogance, condescension, and self righteousness leads to his predictable behavior, and the virtually predictable response.

    Rangel did not disappoint.

    I doubt that the Democrat Congress will raise a finger to employ any punitive action against Rangel, nor will they want to discuss this “dirty laundry” in public.

    Result?

    Rangel goes untouched, the people continue to get the thumb in the eye, and the leftists-liberals-Democrats continue to ruin a once great nation at the political-governmental level.

    By the way, will Rangel and the Democrats now have us investigaged and harassed for voicing our opinion on this blog?

  77. #177
    On March 10th, 2009 at 3:31 am, GaMidnightRider said:

    Mr. Rangel… It is my GOD#$ME business.. you work for me. As I see it you owe me money.

  78. #178
    On March 10th, 2009 at 5:39 am, RetFireman said:

    Again, the biggest contribution that Unions make in this day and age is the fear of a non-union shop GOING Union. Suppose that today Unionism was outlawed.If we all woke up today and read that for whatever reason, Congress wrote a law declaring that Unions are illegal and disbanded all Locals throughout the country, making all existing contracts null and void.

    Do you honestly think for one moment that these places that either are Union now, or could be Unionized, would still maintain the level of benefits and pay that they are receiving right now?

    Do you honestly believe that there is any company/corporation in this country that would VOLUNTARILY give their employees certain time limits for lunches and breaks, offer health insurance, vision, dental? Would they volnteer to set up some sort of retirement that they match out of their own pocket?

    Do you believe that GM would keep the current amount they are paying their employees, along with benefit packages if they no longer had to abide by their contracts? If Toyota suddenly no longer had to fear the IAW they would be paying their employees anything above minimim wage?

    Do you believe a City would voluntarily pay the wages along with bennies to their Firemen and Policemen? Do you honestly think that if there was no bargaining contract and the IAFF just dried up and blew away one day that a city, county or district would spend the millions of dollars a year on equipment, safty gear, apparatus etc. if they no longer needed to?

    To say that owners and management learn n college not to take advantage of their employees and thus will always operate out of compassion and with the goodness in their hearts is nothing but a rosey fluffy cloud view of how the businesses would be run in paradise.

    The reality is that none of those things would EVER just happen out of goodness, kindness, and all that.

    It is the Unions or the fear of becoming a Union shop that makes these happen. It is the Unions who lobby Congress to make these labor laws that protect the worker.

    Ut is difficklt to imagine a world where Unions do not exist, but there are plenty of countries around the world that opperate disgusting businesses with deplorable conditions. I am sure you can find at least one business there that offers all the things you say they would and do not worry about Unions.

    No one is permitted to force anyone to join a Union. It is perfectly legal to work here and not have to be a member of a Union and still benefit from the contract that the Union bargained for their members.

    There are many careers where you would be damn glad to belong if things go bad or when it comes time for a raise. Just off the top, police and fire would be NOTHING if we had to go it alone.

    Again, it is not Unions that are bad. It is the individual locals and National/International executive boards that have become greedy and self-important.

  79. #179
    On March 10th, 2009 at 5:49 am, RetFireman said:

    Of course there is always a chance that when uber-Libs come into power, that they could always change legislation and force people to join Unions and word it in such a way so as to get passed the Supremes, or the perfect storm of Uber-Libs in Congress, Oval Office and majority SCJ’s. God help this country should that something happen to enough Justices over the next couple of years. There truly would be no stopping Obama and the Marxists/Socialists from irrevocably destroying this country and turning it forever in the the USSA. Pray daily for the continued health of the Justices and all those keeping us from plunging headlong into the abyss.

  80. #180
    On March 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am, happyscrapper said:

    On March 10th, 2009 at 5:49 am, RetFireman said:
    Of course there is always a chance that when uber-Libs come into power, that they could always change legislation and force people to join Unions and word it in such a way so as to get passed the Supremes, or the perfect storm of Uber-Libs in Congress, Oval Office and majority SCJ’s. God help this country should that something happen to enough Justices over the next couple of years. There truly would be no stopping Obama and the Marxists/Socialists from irrevocably destroying this country and turning it forever in the the USSA. Pray daily for the continued health of the Justices and all those keeping us from plunging headlong into the abyss.

    The bill to stop the confidential vote for/against unionizing is going before Congress today. Obama and all the libs are in the union’s back and front pockets. It is a done deal. We are screwed, and so is anyone who dares vote against unionizing. Forcing employees to vote for the union, Obama style. A huge nail in the coffin of capitalism. More companies moving overseas. Obama is insane. I hate that man.

  81. #181
    On March 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    Why wasn’t this on every prime time and 11pm news program in New York City?

  82. #182
    On March 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am, happyscrapper said:

    On March 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am, NJ-Aviator said:
    Why wasn’t this on every prime time and 11pm news program in New York City?

    You need to ask? It’s called “cover-up for the dems”. They all are culpable.

  83. #183
    On March 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm, iowavette said:

    It would be worse if Rangel was using tax-payers dollars to buy an import versus a Cadillac. Of course my senator drives about a 20 year old Buick, last I knew. My congressman probably drives the equivalent, just like their constituents.

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