Obama’s border talk: I call bull
There’s been a bit of a stir over President Obama’s comments suggesting that he is open to the idea of sending National Guard troops down to the southern border to deal with long-festering chaos.
“We’re going to examine whether and if National Guard deployments would make sense and under what circumstances they would make sense,” Obama said during an interview with journalists for regional papers, including a McClatchy reporter.
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Yadda yadda yadda. I call bull.
No meaningful security force will be mobilized along our border.
It will never happen as long as the La Raza/Race lobbyist has a seat at Obama’s table and certainly not as long as DHS is headed by a secretary who is incensed that basic immigration laws are being enforced.
And not as long as the White House is supported and populated by open-borders activists pushing for shamnesty and other illegal immigration-legitimizing measures (hint: Census power grab) designed to boost Democrat voter rolls.
Not going to happen. The state of the borders will remain unsound.
I’d love to be proven wrong.
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P.S.: Where in the world is illegal alien deportation fugitive Aunti Zeituni Onyango?
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He has to examine what makes sense? He is sure to reject any course of action that does.
Errah, The One will say this today and tommorow I’d expect Napalitano to issue a “sit on yer hands” memo to ICE regarding enforcenment so we can do the obligatory 3 year legal review?
When asked to comment, a La Raza spokesperson said: “Has he ran that by McCain yet?”
We have a border?
It would be nice to see this happen but somehow, I have my doubts. If we do send them down there though, they better be prepared for business. Do not hamper our troops like they have in so many locations. The people coming across the border will not likely be bound by any such morals or restrictions.
Yup. BS… For anyone thinking he’s going to enforce the border in any way…
…I’ve got a Fence I want to sell you.
I’m not so sure Michelle. Outbound enforcement is a great way to feign the actual respect sovereignty, with a bonus of possibly banning all sorts of guns and ammo because “the cartels are buying it”.
There was a show on the other night about border security. The officers nabbed people bringing children over the border (into the US) for money. It seemed seemly enough, the actual parents appeared to be the clients, however it once again reminded me of all the unseemly activity that a loose border encourages.
Murder, kidnappings, rape, theft, property destruction and labor abuses, among other things. That liberals would look the other way on such injustices consistently in order to build their poor majority and only react when a chance of gun grabbing is possible matches their compiling profile as hackjob monsters who look right through the sanctity of human life. Disgusting filth.
Having tea & scones with Ahmadinejad. Or Robert Mugabe. Whomever the latest love-fest is including these days.
Oh I believe him! He’ll send them down there, after he’s confiscated all their guns. They’ll only be able to fight back with harsh language, but no hate speech!
The stream of illegal aliens, many gang members, coming into my state of America over the barely secured Arizona border is frightening. And with the increase of violence in Mexico spilling into the US (of course, the White House has denied that there is violence OR an illegal alien issue), it is only a matter of time before Arizonans revolt. Now the Feds are investigating our Sheriff Joe Arpaio for doing his job in rounding up illegals… liberal groups are angry that because Sheriff Joe is doing his job, and doing it well (as best he can with the shackles in place to hinder him), illegal aliens’ civil rights may have been violated. Say WHAT?
Just last night on our local Fox news, Gov. Jan Brewer announced that she was requesting additional National Guards:
“Gov. Jan Brewer has asked the federal government to send more National Guard troops to Arizona’s border with Mexico to assist in anti-drug efforts and other duties.
“In a letter Wednesday to Defense Secretary Robert Gates, the governor requested an additional 250 National Guard members.
“Currently, 150 troops are at the Arizona-Mexico border.
“Brewer spokesman Paul Senseman says the request was prompted by a combination of Arizona’s long-standing problems from immigrant and drug smuggling and rising violence in Mexico’s war with drug cartels.
“Brewer noted Arizona has to swallow huge costs related to immigrant and drug smuggling from Mexico and that law enforcement agencies are stretched thin to confront it.”
Yes, Obama, you dolt, the National Guard deployments DO make sense. Stop spending time on focus groups, strategizing how to attack Rush Limbaugh, and protect our country!
Typical obama BS. Tell them something that has numerous holes and back doors so he never has to commit.
He11, even when he promises to do something it’s a LIE.
Obama has lied far more than he has told us the truth.
barack hussein obama = Worst President EVER….already.
we should lock him down on this part “under what circumstances ” then prove the violence IS HERE, it has crossed the border…but still, he has The RACE (La Raza hispanic hispanderers) and Napolotano and he loves illegals so I doubt there IS a ‘circumstance’ that he would believe warrants real border security.
Boy I despise this fool.
pithy yet accurate.
All this as Holder and the DoJ prepare a civil rights case against Sheriff Joe…
Ironically enough in his book about his father, when he visited Kenya; Barry was appalled at all the non-Kenyans there.
Obama has had the luxury of saying one thing and doing the opposite with impunity because of a pliant press.
You left out SLAVERY. Yes, woman are abducted and sold into the USA as sex slaves.
Typical blame shifting. Governor’s don’t need the federal government to call on the National Guard.
When Janet Napolitano was our AZ gov, she only went through the motions, and last-minute photo ops with the press, of pretending she supported border security to secure the votes of conservatives to get reelected in 2006. She denied our state had a borders problem and was a disgrace to conservatives and a media darling with liberals. Sadly, she’s now the nation’s disgrace as Homeland Security Secretary.
Obama is a liar. Always has been and still is. That’s his native language.
The only thing Obama will have the National Guard do is protect the illegals from the “vigilante” rednecks who are trying to help enforce the current laws. They’ll probably be issued “care” packages with bottled water, food, a valid id, and a change of clothes along with a list of employers who are willing to hire them.
When you think “Patriotic Duty” and following the Constitution and our laws think the opposite for Obama and you will have his course of action down pat. His whole political and moral make up is totally antithetical to the American way as we know it. He and George Soros are cut from the same cloth.
Is that correct, b-cat? I was not aware of that. Now I’m better informed, and all the more angry. Thanks for the guv-mint lesson.
I think what he means is that we may have to send guard troops down to protect the illegals from Sheriff Joe’s “goon squads”.
IF it should ever happen, I would recommend sending a National Guard unit that is just returning from Iraq. Not only would their combat skills be razor sharp, but man, would they be pissed about going there instead of going home.
Wow, just like that I’m a ditto-head.
What he said. It’s not about helping keep us secure and safe; it’s about control. It’s always BEEN about control with him.
Apparently, Obama didn’t study the posse comitatus act in law school (he did study, however, the commietatus act and it is now being enacted).
The units of the National Guard belong to its respective state. The governor can call up the National Guard if he/she wants to.
Exactly. This is step one in trying to figure out how to ban firearms and ammo post-Heller.
The problem is …
you’re never wrong.
Typical NeroBama reaction: Watch a festering problem become a crisis while he “studies” it. Is this man timid, or what?
Yes. There was a great – but infuriating – segment on “America’s Most Wanted” about sex slavery a couple of weeks ago. Just terrible.
i do believe i read a report today about the justice dept and congress under that paragon of ethics, john conyer, were issuing a letter of investigation of sherrif joe for actually stopping illegals and arresting them. so yes michelle, i believe you’re bs meter is calibrated correctly. let’s not send the military, but tell the border patrol and the cops in these border states to set up sherrif joe compounds and start enforcing the laws of the u.s. and the states therein.
How come he has to study whether securing the border makes sense but demands that the government immediately spend several trillions of dollars in spite of the fact that it doesn’t make sense? Just askin’
What astounds me is that we don’t have one border state governor with the necessary nerve to actually take action (I say this as a Texas resident). Article I, Section 10 of the Constitution allows states to act when “actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”
Given constant events in border states on like we had in Houston the other day, with an officer being shot in a raid on a habitual criminal illegal alien, I’d say we’ve both been invaded and are in such danger…
What does “examine” mean?
Even if he did send the NG to the border, which I doubt, he would hamstring them with “no guns, no detainment, observation only, no reportings, 100 miles from actual border line of demarcation……”. They will be impotent.
Here is my plan. Put the NG guard on the border with orders of 1 warning then shoot to kill. Knock off 5 or 6, and I guarantee you the flow of economic immigrants will stop immediately as word gets around that the “stupid gringos are serious”. The only ones still trying to cross after that will be those with nefarious reasons. Continue killing them till they determine the risk/reward is no longer worth it. May be harsh, but this invasion will be the death knell for our way of life if drastic measures are not taken. I know, I live in a border state that has seen a huge uptick in gang related violence.
Good question.
aggiebc; Yes, it sounds like a “Clear and Present Danger” to me.
Ha! not from where I’m sitting out here in the Mojave Desert (coachella valley).
But…but…if we stop the flow of economic immigrants, how are the Pelosi and Feinstein companies going to replenish their supply of peons?
we need to learn spanish, so we can join the winning drug gang that will soon take over your area…
Viva La RAZA!!!
may as well get used to it…comrprende amigos??
ooops sorry there vinny fox..comprende…
Whoa there Missy! In the quote you gave, there is no indication of which side the National Guard would be on. He may have meant they will be there to keep Sheriff Joe from arresting illegals…
Self correction. Should read GIRLS are being used as slaves.
No doubt his study will look at the effectiveness of deploying NG supply, laundry and bath, and medical units to provide humanitarian assistance, as well as providing hosting support to the ACORN/La Raza reception centers that will be providing, social security, welfare benefits, and voters registration information for the new arrivals.
Sounds like we need a “well-armed militia” of citizens willing to fight. And soon. The hell with waiting for The One to act. Not going to happen.
No, he needs someone to put his decision on a teleprompter.
The CIA stated that Mexican Nationals were a threat to our Security…what does it take a house to fall on the Politicians in D.C. ?
http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kouri/090126
What about this one across the border from El Paso Texas.
Oh great! The liberals, not just Obama, draw down the military by budget, deploy them in a way that will turn out to be illegal with, La Raza, the ACLU, 500 imbedded liberal reporters, and a constant barrage of Senators ,Representatives wanting press exposure, all looking over the shoulder of good troops armed with rubber bullets.
This could be worse than Clinton’s Meals on Wheels troops.
Move along nothing to see here
Paralysis by analysis.
Fixed.
Meanwhile people are criticizing the erection of the fence completion
it is keeping out, what is happening in Juarez from spilling over into Texas…so whatever happened to people’s Instinct for Self Preservation- Survival? Has it been bred out of some Americans?
You mean, like in Wizard of Oz? Pelosi is very very afraid of falling houses!
Exactly! Well put.
Yep, even though “here” is only a few hundred feet from American territory. But, move along folks, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
B-cat (or anyone else who knows): if the states have the power to call up NG troops, do they have the power to pull them home from Iraq? Did they have the power to keep them from being sent over there in the first place? I never understood how the NG ended up in Iraq anyway.
TexasT, take a look here. It answers some of your questions about the NG but raises others.
Southpaw,
It’s different when you live near it. North of Dallas, I read La Raza bumper stickers with Radio signal numbers, that is what I call organization, they have a radio station. No one understands it unless they live with it..it isn’t an intellectual exercise. Dallas suburbs might have done Dallas a favor when they started passing legislation in Farmers Branch and Irving ect…right now Houston has strong Mexican Drug Gang presences. It is in the News, there is a map showing how these Mexican Drug Gangs have spread to 230 US Cities, they are not stopping at the Southern Border States.
Good Fences Make Good Neighbors if Obama sent the National Guard to the Border we could trap “The Drug Cartels” in between the Mexican Military on Mexico side and the National Guard on US border side…I sure hope the Military Leadership in D.C., has a plan for this escalation. Texans are not overly worried about someone just trying to make a living in Texas. There is not an anti Hispanic sentiment. Many are growing weary of the violence south of the border, they know what it means this isn’t rocket science.
On his radio show this afternoon, John Gibson suggested Teh One would send troops to the border to signify that things in Mexico really are extremely dangerous. Then, he can grant ASYLUM to Mexican illegals, because who would be for sending them back to a country in chaos?
NG units are state assets until Federalized by the President.
One of the great all time examples was the AL Army NG. If you see the famous picture of Gov. George Wallace standing in the school house door you will see the AL NG Adjutant General (AG), a two star Army General, standing behind the Governor as his legal backup.
That evening JFK Federalized the AL ARNG. The next morning you see a picture of the same AG, now a Federal soldier, standing in front Governor Wallace, who was again blocking the school house door. The General ordered his governor from the prior day to stand aside or be arrested.
OBTW, Wallace later praised the AG for his professionalism and devotion to duty in that incident.
My cynical side says that the spillover of border violence is probably the only thing that will make Congress serious about border security. It’s only unfortunate that a lot more blood will have to be spilled to break Congress free of the grip of La Raza and the Chamber of Commerce.
hmm, interesting stuff about the NG. Thank you.
So, how come La Raza doesn’t care that most of the victims of the border/drug wars are Hispanic? They must be so torn in deciding who to support- both sides are brown!
Don’t know where you live but we, on the border, ARE a well armed militia and will protect OUR property if the gov’t won’t. I will not be “happy” until I see armed NG on the border standing 10 feet apart from the New Mexico state line to Yuma including where the fences are. If Phoenix is #2 in the world for kidnappings don’t ya think it makes sense to stop the perpetrators AT the border??? just a thought……….
Interesting thought. If the gov’t can’t pass amnesty through normal channels, allow things to get so bad in Mexico that a “humanitarian crisis” can be declared. Then they can stop all deportations back to Mexico and provide “assylum” for Mexican citizens here illegally. Once assylum is granted, it will never be lifted. All you have to do is look at the Salvadoran’s still here on assylum after what, 20 years. Eventually they wil be given citizenship (after all they have roots here now so it would be mean spirited to make them go home).
I am not a conspiracist, but everytime something like this prompts the gov’t into doing something I think is good (like securing the border with troops), it comes back to haunt me. The old “be careful what you wish for” thing.
I live plenty near it. It’s gotten so bad that I speak Russian (or Chinese) when people insist on speaking Spanish in my presence. It’s a great way of making a point. Spasibo(Russian) or Xiexie(Chinese) are what I use to say “thank you” at convenience stores.
By Choice…I live in Minnesota, so I can only imagine what you are going through down there. The only thing I can say is…we have problems of our own up here, but it is muslims and somalies who are taking over and demanding their rights! I am so fed up with immigration in general, I am getting a very bad attitude. The immigrants of today are far different from the ones of the past. They used to be interested in assimilating and learning the language of their new country. Now, they just demand that WE assimilate to THEM. I want to keep these ingrates out of my country!!!! We need Americans…who are willing to become Americans.
Or you could just make up your own language. They wouldn’t know the difference.
Define an act of war
Define an invasion
Now wonder what makes sense here!
If we cannot protect ourselves as a nation we are doomed as a nation.
Posted this before, but I’ll try, try again:
BACKDOOR AMNESTY
HR 264
Title V Section 501
ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS ON THE BASIS OF EARNED ACCESS TO LEGALIZATION
‘Sec. 245B. (a) In General- The Secretary of Homeland Security may adjust the status of an alien to that of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence if the alien–
‘(1) was physically present in the United States for a continuous period of not less than 5 years immediately preceding the date on which this provision was enacted and has maintained continuous physical presence since then;
‘(c) Admissible as Immigrant-
‘(1) IN GENERAL- The alien shall establish that the alien is admissible to the United States as immigrant, except as otherwise provided in paragraph (2).
‘(2) EXCEPTIONS- The provisions of paragraphs (5), (6)(A), (6)(B), (6)(C), (6)(F), (6)(G), (7)(A), (9)(B), and (9)(C)(i)(I) of section 212(a) shall not apply in the determination of an alien’s admissibility under this section.
212a6A is illegal entry. 6B, C and so on are fraudulent documents and false claiming of US citizenship.
Basically if they hide out for 5 years, the secretary can adjust illegal aliens to legal residents.
Backdoor amnesty.
There’s more fun stuff in the bill, too, like adjustments of what crimes will keep someone out of the country.
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Also:
More HR 264:
Section 622 removes mandatory detention for expedited removals. Rather than the illegal alien going to jail, many classes of aliens (those with family, etc. – plus a catch all of “(G) Other groups designated in regulations promulgated by the Secretary.”
What that means in practice is that when someone is given an expedited removal – a deportation – instead of being held in jail until their final hearing by a judge, they’re given “walking papers”. This is what used to happen for non-Mexican illegal aliens. They’d be given their papers and be told to show up at court to be determined ineligible and deported.
Instead, they took the walking papers and took off. Section 622 makes it so they can all do that!
And all they have to do is hide out for 5 years and they can be adjusted to residents or citizens.
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http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-264
According to govtrack, it’s been sent to committee.
We’re only about two short steps away from backdoor AMNESTY.
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Michelle, I know your inbox is always full, so I hope you’re reading this.
It’s also unacceptable to have any illegal allien cross our border and kill U.S. citizens.
Furthermore, it’s unacceptable for the POTUS to stop to “consider” whether or not he’s going to do something to stop it. Saying, “Well, uhhhhhh, this didn’t, uhhhhhhhhhh, you know, uhhhhhhhhhh, start happening, you uhhhhhhhhhh know, on my watch…” is unacceptable, too.
Mr. President, no voting “present” here – Do something about it.
Learn Spanish.
Buy guns.
Our government will not secure the borders, enforce the laws, or protect the citizens.
Not going to happen.
It’s up to you to protect yourself.
I call bull too. And Gov. Rick Perry isn’t much better. And Kay Bailey who wants to run for Gov. Anyone think she will address the problem?
It’s not just on the border. Mexican cartels infiltrate Houston.
And the tragedy last week with the undercover narcotics officer and an update involved a (good person and loving father who was devoted to his family) illegal invader gang member. And to top it off I heard (on the radio) his wife’s cousin was involved in this last year.
KTRH’s Michael Berry is on top of this and won’t let up. He announced he will be filling in for Mark Levin next Thursday and is looking forward to bringing up this topic to the national audience so the rest of the country can know what is going on in Houston and Texas.
How about tlhIngan Hol
If he does send the Guard down there, they will probably have no authority. They will be allowed to “observe and report” illegal crossings. Just another con job to fool the people.
http://sarah-palin-2012.blogspot.com/2009/03/removing-painted-mask-mexican-truth.html
Which is why I support a massive reduction in legal immigration. And immigration should be restricted only to those that truly add value to the nation (ie the best and brightest, not a bunch of illiterates in their own language). The immigrants of today are not the same as those of our forefathers (no matter how many times the race baiters scream it is no different). I no longer buy into the “welcome all LEGAL immigragrants” or “nation of immigrants” nonsense because of the issues you listed. And we just continue to exacerbate the problem by bringing in more and more of these “ingrates”. It will sink our country into 3rd world status at best, and potentially, civil strife at worst as AMERICANS get tired of these bigmouth, demanding, ingrate immigrants of today.
Oh and by the way, my wife immigrated from Europe (after we married), so I know NOT ALL immigrants are bad, That is to shut up the “not all immigrants are bad” crowd (you know, the libs and neocons).
Keep in mind – his first official task as president was to order the bombing of women and children in Pakistan, an allied country.
Bye-bye Juarez! We hardly knew ye!
The border has already been erased.