Obama to re-brand “enemy combatants”
Well, it was only a matter of time. The Obama administration has decided to abandon the term “enemy combatants” to describe the jihadi suspects at Guantanamo Bay. Makes sense. After all, Attorney General Eric Holder’s former law firm has been calling the Gitmo detainees by a different name for a while now: Clients.
Let the re-branding begin. Bucktown Dusty suggests the DOJ will start calling them “Undocumented Protagonists” ; suicide bombers will be “Next Life Enablers.” Send me your suggestions.
Via WaPo:
The Obama Administration today dropped the term “enemy combatant” to describe those held at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and increased the legal threshold needed to detain them.
The Justice Department disclosed the move in a court filing in response to a federal judge’s order seeking a definition of the term “enemy combatant.”
Judges have said the definition will play a key role in determining whether the government has justified the confinement of scores of detainees who are challenging their status in U.S. District Court.
In a break with the Bush Administration’s policies, the Justice Department said it would only seek to detain those who “substantially supported” the Taliban, Al Qaeda or associated forces or participated in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. The Bush Administration had argued it could detain those who provided support to those groups and others “engaged in hostilities” against the United States and its allies.
The Justice Department did not define “substantially supported” in the court papers but said the term would not include those who “provide unwitting or insignificant support” to terror groups. “The particular facts and circumstances justifying detention will vary from case to case,” they wrote.
Though dropping the term “enemy combatant” will have little practical effect, it is a symbolic move by the Obama Administration to break with the past.
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Jihadis Without Borders
New York Times applicants
AQORN- Al Queda Obviously a Racist Name
The name doesn’t matter much, just line them up and give me the branding iron.
“Awful Kanafuls”
Next Life Enablers/Democratic Party Activist/Obaminations/Little Acorns in Training/ and eventually Targets of Opportunity?
Community Activists IF they have a mouthy wife.
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Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns
“Acorn community organizer” already taken?
More:
Innovative Independent Filmmakers
Alleged Enemy Combatants
Lighthearted Strangers
Potential Friends
Tender Loving Beltmakers
Inquisition Sufferers
I’d make up more, but I can only be absurd for so long.
Water boarding rejects?
This needs a protest action beyond the tea party. Giving these bastards a title and rights can bite us back with a vengeance. And the libs/MSM don’t give a damn as long as they wave can the “civil liberties” banner and umbrella over these roaches.
James Greenidge
Queens, NY
Captured Enemy CombatantsInferior Nuisances;Suicide BombersDarwin Awardees (Dishonorable Mention);VBIEDsJihadi Space ProgramI’d love to what other plans our new president has to subvert the efforts of the military in order to bring about his “civilian national security force”.
Looking to possibly subjecting U.S. Service Members to the ICC? Check.
Allow homosexuals to service openly? Check.
Consider a plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance? Check.
Folks, there IS a name for these terrorists:
Let’s get it right. Why is no one saying this?
No one that I have seen, heard, or read has said this… TV, radio, and online.
What these terrorists do is a form of sabotage. Under Geneva, saboteurs can be shot on sight.
Me too…or “dead man walking”.
The Hopenchange Calvary
cnredd
Political Wrinkles
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com
Enemy Combat Ants?
Sounds like a 1970′s B-grade flick.
I nominate the term, ‘CAIR Bears’
F.O.O. Fighters (Friends Of Obama)
Obama’s Hero’s.
Simple problem to fix in the future…they will be killed by “friendly fire” courtesy of the Obama administration. Works for me.
“Art. 5. Where in the territory of a Party to the conflict, the latter is satisfied that an individual protected person is definitely suspected of or engaged in activities hostile to the security of the State, such individual person shall not be entitled to claim such rights and privileges under the present Convention as would, if exercised in the favour of such individual person, be prejudicial to the security of such State.
“Where in occupied territory an individual protected person is detained as a spy or saboteur, or as a person under definite suspicion of activity hostile to the security of the Occupying Power, such person shall, in those cases where absolute military security so requires, be regarded as having forfeited rights of communication under the present Convention.
“In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be.”
that’s a twofer twofoot
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Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns
Robert Spenser has been calling them “Misunderstanders of Islam” for a while.
The Euro Press calls them “Youths”
Well, part of me says it makes sense. I mean like manure and taxpayer money, why not spread it around? After all, we don’t a “president” anymore. We have an effin’ Pharoah (Obamzandius I?).
How about we just call them what they are – “muslims”
Clients!
This administraton is pure comedy gold. Whether the idiotic lefty comedians will admit it or not.
Ed Whelan gets the hang of things.
That’s thinking like an obamabot.
Are oyu kidding? Or have I had way too many beers tonight? Please tell me it’s the beer.
On March 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, bansharia said:
You may be right.
September 29, 2008:
Secret, Foreign Money Floods Into Obama Campaign
How about “ammo stoppers”?
La Allah Raza
On March 13th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, Just A Grunt said:
Obama and the rest of the Democratic Socialist Communists don’t believe in U.S. sovereignty.
The Usurper-in-Chief is also Jihadist-in-Chief…
Obama’s book:
which has a perfectly straightforward translation in Bahasa Indonesia, was instead translated:
An American expatriate who has lived in Indonesia for many years says this title has connotations, for Indonesians, of JIHAD.
So, it should come as no surprise that Obama does not consider Jihadists as “enemy combatants”. No, they are “fellow travelers” on Obama’s journey to bring the USA to its knees.
“Enemy combatants”? Obama says, “No”.
They are “Assault Hopers“.
On March 13th, 2009 at 7:25 pm, plymouthacclaim said:
I’ve said before that Barry Soetoro is SABOTEUR-in-Chief.
An illegitimate usurper as commander-in-chief of our entire military.
A male who, along with his “pastor” of 20+ years,
sees America no differently than the enemy combatants at Gitmo.
There. That’s better. (F.O.O. = Friends Of Obama).
Pasadena Phil,
I approve of the edit.
Have you seen what Obama’s usurpation of the office of Commander-in-Chief is doing to our military?
MYTH: The Director of Health for the State of Hawaii has personally seen and verified Obama’s original birth certificate.
TRUTH: She never claimed to have seen and verified Obama’s original birth certificate. She only claimed to have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures. She verified that their records show they have Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record. That’s it. She never verified the original birth certificate and she never verified the forged Certification of Live Birth that was produced and showcased by the Obama campaign.
MYTH: Representatives from FactCheck.org have personally seen and verified Obama’s original birth certificate.
TRUTH: Contrary to what they claim, representatives from FactCheck.org have never seen Obama’s original birth certificate. What they inspected was a forged Certification of Live Birth (COLB) that was produced at the Obama campaign headquarters. This COLB was not produced by the state of Hawaii, and has never been verified by the state of Hawaii. However, this did not stop them from falsely claiming:
and
FACT: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health has never publicly confirmed that Obama was born in Honolulu. The Associated Press spread that lie, but Dr. Fukino’s October 31st statement does not claim Obama was born in Honolulu.
MYTH: If Obama was born in Hawaii, then he is a “natural born citizen” under the 14th Amendment.
TRUTH: The 14th Amendment does not mention “natural born citizen”, it mentions “citizen”. If Obama was born in Hawaii, then he was born a “citizen” under the 14th Amendment. But Obama himself admits that he was born a British citizen. If you go back and study the same reference materials on “Natural Law” that our founders studied, you will find that natural-born citizens are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.
It is completely impossible for anyone from Factcheck or any other organization or office to have touched, seem, verified, wrapped fish with, framed, or anything else claimed or imagined to have been claimed.
The reason is that Der Fuhrer made a special little trip out to Hawaii, throwing caution to the wind in regards to his “carbon footprint” or oil and fuel conservation, specifically to have those birth records sealed.
NO ONE, other than Thane Macbeth himself or those he has personally designated, can have access to those records for verification purposes or else wise…that includes the Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health.
While they can, in fact, verify that such items are in existence, they cannot, without violating a pretty serious law or a court order, look at, read, verify or anything else those papers or what is contained on them.
As for this Cert. of Live Birth, as has been stated over and over again, anyone during that time of Der Fuhrer’s youth, could have the State of Hawaii issue said certificate which does nothing more than state the person did, indeed, survive their birth. It does not, in anyway, state the place of birth nor is it admissible in any form as proof of American Citizenship…and, for that matter, neither is a Driver’s License. A DL is merely an item granting permission to drive the vehicle type for which it was issued and is not to be used for identification purposes or proof of citizenship.
If he really wants to end this controversy, which is growing faster every day, and if he truly has nothing to hide and he truly was born in Hawaii and is an American Citizen, then all he need do is present the original Birth Certificate.
Otherwise, why is he and his people spending thousands of dollars to keep it a secret? Why would he have to seal the records WEEKS before the election and NOT years ago? Why is he fighting so hard in all these court cases to keep people from reading it?
What is he hiding, if not the fact that he is illegally sitting in the White House? What else could that document show other than a foreign birth or proof of foreign citizenship?
I would like someone to tell me just how far this issue would go were it to have been George Bush, John McCain, or any other Republican/Conservative candidate?
What do they know and how long have they known it?
If this issue makes me some sort of kook in certain people’s eyes, then so be it. I think that the Constitution, the safety and security as well as the integrity of this nation is far more important than a name calling issue, and most definitely worth whatever it takes to have these super-secret people come clean and produce a simple piece of paper that is required to satisfy the very basis of eligibility to hold the office of the “Most Powerful Man and Nation in the World”
You can always take Der Fuhrer’s Paternal Grandmother’s word for it as to where he was born. After all, she says she was there.
You can even go and visit the place of his birth, which according to the Kenyan Ambassador, is a well known and heavily visited and celebrated landmark in Kenya.
Or you can read for yourself from the transcripts of the Official Report of the Kenyan National Assembly from Wednesday, November 5th, 2008, on pgs. 17-20 where, it states:
As well as several other statements alluding to Obama’s place of birth.
So…who will you believe? Obama and his people, people who already have a very lengthy, tried and true track record of lies upon lies to cover up the lies upon lies as well as all the secrecy and cover-ups?
Or will you believe the Kenyan Ambassador, who has nothing to lose and thus no reason to cover-up for Obama as well as was probably never told that he need keep things secret as the remote chance of him being asked was probably never considered,
Barack’s own paternal grandmother who most definitely would be covering for her grandson had she been told how important it was to do so, yet was so lost in her pride for having her own Kenyan born grandson elected to President of the United States that she was telling everyone who asked,
Or the entire National Assembly of Kenya, the Kenyan President and other assorted members that are mentioned in the papers. After all, as they continued to go on and on about how important it was for them to have a “Son of the Soil” and “Native Son” as President of the U.S., they most certainly would have tried to cover it up had they even known that it was an issue, so as not to lose out on the opportunities they envisioned.
It all comes down to who you think are more honest and trusting, I suppose.
Well, with this edict it would appear that the terrorists will all start fighting to the death.
You will be amazed at their courage in never surrendering. Just like the Japanese in WWII.
Works for me.
I am heading out to try to capture/neutralize some more ‘clients’. The executive role is to define what we are doing – so, what are we doing? Are we protecting the USA? Are we continuing the fight against terrorists? What is the long-term goal? If capitalism is not the desired end-state, along with democracy, what is?
Has “Future Democrats of America” been taken?
It’s damn shameful how our work in Iraq is being diminished and degraded to a “mistake”. It’s worst than how Viet Nam was treated; at least that’s treated as a still live open wound, but our totally opposite results in Iraq is being pushed out of sight and mind by the Dems/Libs as a “Big Bush Mistake”. Or, EVERYTHING our people in and out of uniform did over there meant ZIT (my nieces and nephews declare that’s the prevailing “lesson” they’re learning in NYC schools). We need a couple of planeloads of Iraq citizens and students shipped in to testify to Congress about how great things were under tyranny (especially the girls), not to mention how a Democratic Iraq is the best hope of seeing that Afghanistan isn’t the lone lamb in a region surrounded by Islamic lions. Now The Bomba wants to find a “moderate” Taliban? Hello? The Taliban believe to their core in the total submission of women; how do you compromise with that, like Hamas giving up their core belief of shoving Israel into the sea? Somethings can’t be sat down with and compromised or bargained, like being just a little bit pregnant.
James Greenidge
Queens, NY
This action just reinforces the leftist belief that WE were to blame for 9/11 and the Muslim attacks. Obama doesn’t believe these people are enemies or he doesn’t care. Either way it doesn’t make him the leader we need. What will it mean to the rest of the world if they aren’t Prisoners of War deserving of incarceration? Let them go!! Maybe give them some kind of restitution for their anxiety and pain.
“The function of wisdom is to discriminate between good and evil.”
Cicero
That letter may some day go into the history books along with the story of how Obama, a non-citizen of the U.S., completely trashed our Constitution and became POTUS, aided and abetted by a corrupt media, and elected by dumbed-down citizens who were so poorly educated, they barely knew who our last president was! Hopefully, future history books will portray this story accurately, and not whitewash it and lie, like our current history textbooks do!
…Because changing the meaning of words is what Leftists do.
What constitutes “insignificant support to a terror group” anyway? I’d like to see some examples.
I know we are off-topic here, and I apologize for continuing on the subject…But this needs to be addressed! I also agree that another very telling issue is Obama’s sealed college records. This is unprecedented in Presidential vetting! How is this man allowed to get away with it? Totally against the Constitution, and more than just suspicious. There is a major cover-up going on. I can’t understand how this can continue. Isn’t there ANYONE in this entire country who can find out the truth? If Obama has that much power, that he can cover up such important things, it is truly frightening. Some day we will find out…hopefully before it is too late. Also, Obama’s continued refusal to show the original birth certificate proves to me, beyond all doubt that he is covering up something. There can be no other explanation! Our super-sleuth, Michelle Malkin has even given up and thinks it is all a bogus issue. How can you fight that???
We probably won’t get examples because Obama wants to keep all his pronoucements purposely vague, so he can interpret as he goes along. I just heard on FOX that the details of “insignificant…etc.” are “yet to be worked out”. Another sleazy edict by our leader, without detail, without specifics, without merit. And WHEN, exactly will these details be worked out? In another one of his committee break-out sessions? This man is such a phony.
On March 14th, 2009 at 2:44 am, RetFireman said:
An original birth certificate showing birth in Hawaii would prove he was born an American Citizen, but that alone would not end this controversy for these reasons:
1) Barack Obama is the only post-grandfather-clause POTUS (born after the Constitution was ratified in 1787) whose father was NEVER a U.S. Citizen. By Natural Law and the original intent of our Founding Fathers, Barack Hussein Obama has never been a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America.
Even if Obama was born in Hawaii, and even if a court ruled that “natural born citizen” is now interpreted differently than it was in 1787, and no longer requires that the parents be U.S. citizens at the time of the child’s birth, there is still another issue:
2) Barack’s Indonesian school registration shows him registered as “Barry Soetoro” with INDONESIAN citizenship (and religion ISLAM, but that’s irrelevant to the citizenship issue). That stongly implies that Obama was adopted by his stepfather Lolo Soetoro and both his citizenship and his legal name were changed. Some argue that this is irrelevant because he was under 18. But Obama travelled to Pakistan in 1981 when he was over 18. U.S. Citizens were not supposed to travel to Pakistan at that time. With what passport, under what name, and under what citizenship did he travel to Pakistan? Was it as:
Barack Hussein Obama, U.S. Citizen?
-OR-
Barry Soetoro, Indonesian Citizen?
If it was the latter, then Obama has no claim to U.S. citizenship at all, let alone “natural born citizenship”.
So, you see, the original birth certificate is not all there is to this controversy. It is only one piece of the puzzle. But if that piece shows birth time, date, and location to be anything other than what Obama has publicized on his fraudulent COLB, then the gig is up for this fruad.
It is too bad that MM won’t have a thread about the birth certificate issue and take it up as a cause. Perhaps she is worried about the “truther” lable, or perhaps she has more important fish to fry. Whatever the reason, I doubt if she is totally convinced on this issue, even though she says it is settled. In the meantime, we need to continue to discuss it on some of her threads, even if we have to go off-topic occasionally to do it.
On March 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, happyscrapper said:
A Democratic Socialist Comunist, a saboteur and “enemy combatant” in his own right,
A Democratic Socialist Communist media
A Democratic Socialist Communist education system
Current history textbooks being written by Democratic Socialist Communist authors.
And the other part you missed is that our Congress is currently controlled by Democratic Socialist Communists, and while they inspected one official Certificate from the State of Hawaii (the Certificate of the Electoral College vote), they did not inspect an equally important official Certificate from the State of Hawaii (the original Birth Certificate of Barack Hussein Obama).
Redpill, I gotta hand it to you — you are persistent on this issue.
Process is process, as set by the intent of our Founding Fathers. This problem will not go away and frankly, I only see it growing larger as the incompetence of this administration continues to mount.
Maybe that’s his exit strategy.
On March 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pm, happyscrapper said:
Michelle made her point of view clear here:
I don’t see how any issue is more important than this right now. Obama is destroying this country, and I believe that is his express intent. His journey, after all is “part of a larger journey”, shared with all who have ever sought to “bring an Empire to its knees”.
I don’t think it is off-topic for this thread at all. The “enemy combatants” at Gitmo share Obama’s “journey” to “bring an Empire to its knees”.
I too applaud RedPill! Someone has to keep digging and digging until this lie is exposed. It is so obvious he is covering something up…!
On March 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm, scituate_tgr said:
Thank you. Our Founding Fathers were persistent in the face of tyranny. Generation upon generation of our finest have put their lives on the line in defense of our Constitution and our God-given (“endowed by their Creator”) inalienable rights. If they are willing to die for our country, the least I can do is be willing to live for our country.
A very promising legal approach to this promise is “quo warranto” (“by what authority”)
Amen to that!
By the way, that little newspaper clipping of Obama’s birth only announced his birth. It did not say WHERE he was born. It did not mention a hospital. It only said he had been born!! I am a genealogist and I have seen plenty of newspaper announcements of births where the people lived elsewhere, but had friends/relatives in a certain location and wanted to have the announcement in that paper too. Not at all unusual. This proves absolutely NOTHING! MM said they would have had to be psychic to put that in the Honolulu paper back then so he could run for POTUS 40+ years later. No, they would have just had to have had folks in Honolulu who they wanted to be informed of the kid’s birth! I am a bit surprised at her comment, being as she is usually such a thorough investigator Have the hospital records been checked? There would have certainly been a hospital record! This really smells!
happyscrapper,
Indeed. Here is an example of someone whose newspaper birth announcement was incorrect:
Someone starting a new job is required to prove their U.S. citizenship. There is no way that they could supply a newspaper clipping in order to “prove” U.S. citizenship!
Also, I remember reading that the address in the Obama newspaper announcement is an address in a very, very upscale part of Hawaii, and was not the address of the Dunham grandparents. It is highly unlikely that Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham Obama had the financial resources to actually live at that address.
I agree that the newspaper announcement cannot be accepted as “proof” of Hawaiian birth for Obama. It merely proves that someone reported the birth, but does nothing to prove where he was actually born.
As for hospital records, since Barack’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, is reported disceased, her medical records are not covered by HIPAA privacy law. Researchers have gone to every medical facility on Oahu that delivered babies, and NONE of those medical facilities show Stanley Ann Dunham Obama as a patient at the time of Barack’s birth!
The only “evidence” of Barack’s actual birth city is the COLB forgery that was produced by a KOS kiddie along with another forgery that clearly screams, “Hey, I Be A Forgery!”.
Obama “doubled down” on that and claimed it was his actual COLB. The State of Hawaii never said that COLB is authentic. When pressed further, Obama’s campaign produced a hardcopy of that forgery, showed it only to a small, friendly, politically-connected audience (Annenberg Political Fact Check) that falsely claimed they had examined the “original birth certificate” and falsely claimed that Dr. Fukino had confirmed Obama was born in Honolulu.
Obama to re-brand “enemy combatants” as
The enemy combatants at Gitmo would have felt right at home in the church Obama attended for 20+ years.
Hey RedPill…I have declared an open forum on the Jon Stewart thread. Michelle didn’t give us one this weekend, and that one is going off-topic anyway! See you there after my nap.
happyscrapper,
Thanks, but I actually think it “fits” better here. It really is about people who want to destroy our country (Gitmo enemy combatants), so people like William Ayers, “Rev.” Wright, and Barack Obama fit right in with this topic. I may throw a pointer from the Stewart thread over here, though.
Open Letter From Leo Donofrio To United States Attorney Jeffrey Taylor
(emphasis mine)
What I would like to know from Michelle is, if this “case is closed”, what proof has she seen or is aware of that has proven his eligibility as set out in the Constitution that convinced her without a doubt, that he is, was, and always has been an American citizen who is eligible to be, let alone run, fot PotUS? I am hoping she is not relying on the Congress and their statement as proof, for anyone who would think the Congress to be non-bias in this matter is only fooling themselves. If it is the “COLB” that the Obama Campaign provided, then surely she would know that one of those is not an admissible piece that would prove his birth in Hawaii as an American citizen, and I am sure she is aware of that period in Hawaiian history concerning who was eligible to ask for and receive one of those. Also, if people are taking the word of Obama and his people as to his citizenship, well I don’t think I even need mention that any further.
Maybe there was another midnight phone call from Barry to all the media that “cleared up the issue and made everyone clear on the issue that none of us got, like he did to the Vice President of Kenya.
My question is, with all this stuff that is out there, including the confession, albeit unknown to them that did it, by the Obama Campaign stating that he is not a citizen…where can we, the average American citizen, go with it?
Seems to me that the “Freedom of Information Act” came into relevance the minute he was sworn in and thus no one needs to have a law suit, just fill out the forms. Am I right?
This is so important that I have a hard time believing people have disregarded it for so long. If Obama refuses to produce concrete proof, than I say he is covering up something very big. What other reason could there be? All he has to do is produce the document, and also his college transcripts. I hope Michelle forgives me for “hijacking” the other thread. I just thought there were some very intriguing comments on there that needed to be explored. That’ll teach her to leave us without an open forum! We have to have our weekend fix, doncha know!
You guys are wasting your time on the birth certificate issue. The guy is already president and unless the entire government comes to the conclusion that he is dangerous and must be removed, there is no way he is going to be removed him on a technicality, even if true. Colossal waste of time.
The topic of this thread is Michele’s contest for a new term to replace “enemy combatants”. I resubmit my entry “F.O.O. Fighters”. (Friends Of Obama).
It’s been a slow month. I desperately need to win at something.
Sorry, but it is far beyond just a mere technicality. Again, the implications of what it would mean if proven would plunge this nation into the biggest Constitutional crisis since 1861, and would lead to such civil unrest that would make the 60′s look like a weekend at Disneyland.
Do you really consider a foreign citizen being President of the United States nothing more than a mere “technicality”?
Obama is an American citizen so we don’t have a foreign citizen as President. His mother was an American citizen. He has lived most of his life in America and the most important part of his education was in the most prestigious American universities.
Obama went through a ten-year or more period of being groomed for the presidency and during that time, I’m sure someone thought of vetting this so whatever the truth is, it is by enough important people in politics to have derailed him already.
Were it to be the case that he truly is dangerous and enough people felt it imperative to remove him, I’m very sure that the reasons would be much more important than a technicality over his birth certificate.
If anything ever does come of this, it will happen after he loses in 2012… assuming the Republicans nominate a Republican next time.
RetFireman…My thoughts exactly as I read Pasadena’s post. This issue is NOT a “technicality”. And, going back on topic…I think Pasadena’s new name for enemy comabatants could be in contention for the prize, don’t you? As for going off-topic, I don’t think it was going off too much. Obama’s PC treatment of our mortal enemies, the terrorists, is part of the whole picture of this guy being unfit for office. The birth cert issue is just another piece of the puzzle. I don’t consider that off-topic!
Correction to my last comment:
“…so whatever the truth is, it is KNOWN by enough important people in politics to have derailed him already.”
Wow…Pasadena. I am surprised how off the mark you are on this one! Living “most of your life” in America is NOT proof of citizenship. And having the most important part of your education in prestigious American Universities does not qualify you either. And who knows if he actually attended those universities, or how he did…he refuses to release transcripts! For all we know, he may have flunked most of his courses. Where are his transcripts? You can’t downplay this that easily!
Fixed it for you, Pasadena!
happyscrapper: I accept your improvement!
But Obama’s American citizenship is not in question. It is his being entitled to American citizenship at birth. Why distract everyone while we are making progress on more important issues like taxation and the Tea Parties?
This is very much an issue in the same vein as the “Truthers” and 9/11 and will gain the same amount of traction: none. Complete waste of time.
I do agree that it is a distraction at this time and there are definitely more important issues to worry about. But a complete waste of time? I don’t think so. There are too many questions to just forget about it. Why do you think he is stonewalling on this? What reason would he have?
Known long enough to know what items needed to be sealed, and how many of those things that progres is being made on would go away should it be exposed that he is illegally in office? The question is whether or not he is a citezen, and without definite proof, your saying so does not make it so.
happyscrapper: even if true, it is pretty clear that Obama always believed he was American. It’s not like he sneaked into the country or was planted here at birth to become the Manchurian candidate. It just doesn’t merit the rabid screechy howling that a very few number of people are devoting to this issue. What if in vetting Obama, it was discovered that his official birth certificate was completed incompetently? Do you forge another certificate? Do you drop all plans late in the game?
The truth is that we don’t know the truth but many important people in both parties do and none are making a big deal about it.
In the meantime, we already have traction on many issues and less than two months into his presidency, Obama is already in deep trouble and he knows it.
Because McCain lost, conservatives are again making ourselves felt in very important ways. Read this NYT article about Dems and gun control
Read this LA Times article repudiating HSA Secretary Napolitano’s singling out gun rights as the main reason Mexican drug cartels are so well armed.
We don’t need the Republicans and engaging in shrill and petty partisan hack jobs questioning Obama’s citizenship only hurts our credibility. We conservatives are winning again. Let’s not blow it. Let the dopey Republicans do their own hackery.
Right is right. You do not turn your back on the wrong just to make a good impression.
On March 14th, 2009 at 7:39 pm, Pasadena Phil said:
What proof do you have that he is a natural born citizen of the USA?
His admitted British citizenship at birth precludes him from being a natural born citizen of the USA.
Even for those who believe that a dual citizen can still be considered a “natural born citizen”, (disregarding the divided loyalties that could result), there are still other pitfalls…
If he was born in Kenya, as his paternal grandmother claims he was (she says she was present at his birth in Kenya), then he was not an American citizen at birth because his mother was too young to confer U.S citizenship to him.
Pasadena Phil, how do you know which nation’s passport Obama used to travel to Pakistan in 1981? U.S. citizens were not supposed to travel to Pakistan at that time. If Obama travelled with an Indonesian passport, as an adult over the age of 18, then he relinquished any possible U.S. Citizen he may have had.
It doesn’t matter that he went to Harvard. Lots of international students do.
The only thing that matters is whether Obama was born a “natural born citizen” of the USA and remained a U.S. citizen his entire life.
This is not just “a technicality” any more than the entire Bill of Rights is just “a technicality”.
Senator Joe McCarthy was not proven wrong; he was proven RIGHT.
If Obama is shown to be a fraud who represents the “57 states” of the OIC rather than the 50 states of the USA, this is bigger than any political scandal in our entire history!
Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America’s Enemies
Russia is an observer nation of the “57 states” of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference.
The question of whether or not Obama is a Communist, Jihadist Muslim is a very serious issue.
That is why Obama’s “gaffe” of “57 states…and one left to go” is not a laughing matter.
Obama likes to refer to the 14th Amendment in reference to his eligibility to POTUS.
Section 1 of the 14th Amendment says:
Note that this defines who are “citizens of the United States”, but it does not define who are “natural born citizens of the United States”. The word “natural” in the phrase “natural born citizen” refers to Natural Law. And by Natural Law, citizenship passes from father to child. By Natural Law, Obama was born a British citizen, and he openly admits that by the British Nationality Act of 1948 he was born as a British citizen.
Also, Obama neglects to quote section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which is HIGHLY relevant to the topic of this thread:
Obama is, in my opinion, giving aid and comfort to the enemies (“enemy combatants”) of the Constitution of the USA.
As such, he is disqualified from holding office unless he receives a vote of two-thirds of each House of Congress to remove such disability.
On March 15th, 2009 at 1:28 am, RetFireman said:
Exactly. When you “support and defend the Constitution of the United States”, you support all of it. You don’t say that the words “natural born citizen” are just “a technicality”. Just like you don’t say that the right to bear arms is just “a technicality” and doesn’t have to be supported and defended.
They aren’t Enemy Combatants”, they are just “Undocumented Democrat Voters”.
Combat Field Fertilizer.
That would be the veryu definition of “Character”. To do the right thing even when it is not popular.
When you add moral relativism to it, it is a weakness of character. You do the right thing because it is the right thing to do. When you turn your back on doing the right thing, it weakens our laws and our nation.
(I think that made sense)
Why don’t we just call them what they are:
d-bags
a-holes
human waste
Why all this semantic two-stepping?
But please, Mr. Obama, do not call them “moderates”.
I realize this post is all but dormant at this point, but here is a closing thought:
How many people who call themselves Christians would be able to recite the same prayers as the enemy combatants at Gitmo?
You know, those prayers that start with multiple repetitions of “Allahu Akbar”?
Barry Soetoro-Obama can.
With a first-rate accent.
The Adhan is the Islamic call to prayer, and begins with four recitals of the words “Allahu Akbar“ ([translated] “Allah is The Greatest”), followed by two recitals each of
[translated] “I bear witness that there is no deity except Allah” and
[translated] “I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah”.
Obama’s “family friend” referred to our country as “Amerikkka“, and his “pastor” of 20+ years (who preaches Marxist “Black Liberation Theology” and is good friends with Louis F@rr@kh@n) referred to our country as “U.S. of KKK A“.
Why don’t the BDS-inflicted people “connect the dots” on this stuff?
There’s an enemy combatant usurping the oval office.
Beat me to it…
I was going with “Undocumented Allies”
Matter Redistribution Facilitator?
Holy #@$%@#$%@#% I’ve been posting to a month old thread LOL LOL
I wondered why no one had been on since 12:14 on a funny topic…