The trouble with Meghan McCain
You know what’s wrong with Meghan McCain? It’s not her weight. It’s not her voice. It’s not her looks. She’s a beautiful young girl with TV-friendly poise and natural charm. The trouble with Meghan McCain is that, like her father, she has no fixed ideological principles — conservative, liberal, or otherwise. She seems to have inherited the notion that playing the “maaaaverick” imparts her with moral authority and credibility as a fresh voice for the GOP. I’m all for speaking truth to power. But like her father, Ms. McCain’s maaaaverick-iness appears to be rooted less in any firm set of beliefs than in the need for liberal approbation.
Take her “beef with Ann Coulter.” (Ms. McCain’s not the first or only one on the Right to ever criticize her, by the way.) If Ms. McCain sincerely detests Coulter’s “demeanor” and “extreme” thinking, statements, and behavior because they represent “hate” and alienate young voters, then how is it that the same genteel Ms. McCain can cheer the cretinous, left-wing extremist Russell Brand?
Here’s what she wrote on her Twitter page Friday evening:
Russell Brand is freaking hilarious, just started listening to his podcasts on itunes. Everyone should check it out. 6:05 PM Mar 13th from web
She followed up by linking to his website:
http://www.russellbrand.tv/ to everyone that asked, here is russell brand’s website
Ms. McCain, have you forgotten what Russell Brand said about your dad’s running mate and her family? Have you forgotten what he said about President Bush? Here, let me remind you…from my blog post on September 7, 2008:
Reader M.G. writes that the MTV Awards show was the latest venue for vicious Palin family-bashing:
“I know a few people at Viacom and I tuned in to see the MTV music awards tonight. I was disgusted and appalled when the British host Russell Brand started begging America to vote for Barack Obama. Like his opinion matters. He’s not even a citizen. What’s worse is that he attacked Sarah Palin’s pregnant daughter. He made a snide joke that her baby was not a boy or a girl, but a P.R. stunt.”
You can watch Brand’s opening screed here. This cretin’s claim to fame? Dressing up as Osama bin Laden on the day after the September 11 terrorist attacks.
I’ve transcribed some of his Obama endorsement and GOP-bashing, which occurred barely 3-4 minutes into the show:
BRAND: “Now, as a representative of the global community and a visitor from abroad, I don’t want to come across a little bit biased, but could I please ask of you people of America, to PLEASE ELECT BARACK OBAMA. Please! On behalf of the world. (Camera pans to singers Chris Brown and Britney Spears applauding and cheering.) Some people, I think they’re called racists, say that America is not ready for a black president. But I know America to be a forward-thinking country, right. Because, otherwise, you know, would you have let that retarded cowboy fellow be president for eight years?
We were very impressed. It was nice of you to let him have a go. Because in England, George Bush wouldn’t be trusted with a pair of scissors.
I am obliged by broadcasting law to show some balance in this situation, which means, uh, the Republicans might be alright. Sarah Palin. She’s a VILF! A vice president I’d like to…fumble, fondle, I dunno. I do feel a little bit sorry for her daughter, getting pregnant, poor kid. Is it a boy? Is it a girl? It’s a P.R. stunt. Come on. Be honest.
And I feel most sorry for that poor teenaged father. Boy. One minute, he’s just a teenaged lad in Alaska having joyful, unprotected sex. And the next minute: Get to the Republican convention. I think that is the best safe sex message of all time. Use a condom or become Republican! …That boy will spend the rest of his life masturbating while wearing a condom…
…New music, new president, and brand new America. And you people deserve it after eight years of Bush. I promise you, you deserve it…
Does the GOP need a new generation of conservatives who can defend our core values against the constant campus/media/Hollywood/effete European onslaught? Hell, yes.
Does the GOP need rudderless, self-defeating representatives who embrace pop culture demagogues on the Left while castigating the incivility of the “extreme Right?” Hell, no.
In her blog post on Coulter last week, Ms. McCain wondered: “Is she for real or not? Are some of her statements just gimmicks to gain publicity…or does she actually believe the things she says? Et tu, Meghan?
More reminders: Ms. McCain’s favorite comedian went on last fall to trash the Jonas Brothers for vowing to abstain from premarital sex before marriage. He had planned even more disgusting, vicious jokes — some aimed at Ms. McCain’s father and another involving an electric chair gag targeting the Palins:
The British comedian appeared to annoy celebrities and some fans when he made a series of risque political and sexual jokes hosting the 25th anniversary show. But Brand, who called for Americans to vote for Democratic nominee Barack Obama in the presidential elections, claimed censors at the channel had already toned down his routine and vetoed several jokes.
He said: “I had John McCain gags pulled. And they asked me to tone down the gags about Sarah Palin. I wanted to say she was forcing her teenage daughter to have a baby because she is so anti-abortion.
“But also, as a Republican she is pro-execution so she is going to give her the electric chair for being a little slut.
“They weren’t keen on that one.”
Neverthless, he did manage to include a reference to George W Bush as a “retarded cowboy” during the routine.
Last fall, the BBC suspended Ms. McCain’s favorite comedian over prank phone calls he made to British actor Andrew Sachs in which he made a string of lewd comments about the actor’s granddaughter:
Mr Sachs’s granddaughter, 23-year-old Georgina Baillie, said the family was still considering a formal complaint to police – a move that could lead to the presenters facing prosecution for making a nuisance call. She said: “What is funny about humiliating a lovely old man who has never harmed anyone in his life? We’re very close and I can’t tell you how much it hurts to know they were so unkind to such a sweet person. They should at least pay for what they’ve done with their jobs.”
Ross and Brand left a series of obscene messages on the answering machine when they could not reach Mr Sachs, 78, for a pre-arranged phone interview. Each message, aired on October 18 after senior producers authorised the programme for broadcast, contained lewd jibes about how Brand he had slept with Ms Bailie. Further transcripts of the programme have emerged in which Ross and Brand joke about breaking into Mr Sachs’ house and performing a sex act on him by way of apology.
Ms Bailie, a burlesque performer known as Voluptua, confirmed she slept with him three times in late 2006 but said: “It was never going to be a serious relationship but I felt I could trust him as a friend. I feel utterly exposed and betrayed.“What happened between us was supposed to be private but he is clearly no gentleman. What girl would ever want to have to tell their granddad who she slept with? He hasn’t asked me about it because he is too much of a gentleman – unlike Russell Brand.”
She added: “It was bad enough that they recorded these things on my grand-father’s answer machine but astonishing the BBC saw fit to broadcast it when they could have stopped it.”
What, exactly, does Ms. McCain find “freaking hilarious” about Russell Brand? If not his diatribes against social conservatives and mockery of 9/11, then what? Is it the photo of him urinating in the desert? The videos of him prancing around in his underwear? Or perhaps we’re just too old and too unhip to understand the humor and need to lighten up in order to broaden our base? Is that the takeaway?
How, exactly, does Ms. McCain reconcile her fervent disdain for Coulter with her fevered endorsement of an anti-American vulgarian who hates everything the Republican Party stands for?
I’d freaking like to know.
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Um…no. He is a sleazy, not funny person. Why would we find him funny? I put him in the same category as Sandra “potty mouth” Bernhardt. Why would you even think that true conservatives find those people funny? Their brand of humor is using four-letter words, and sliming anyone who has a faith in God or conservative leanings. Geez, you are a real moron, you know that? Why don’t you try another website and leave us alone?
I am in the mood for some troll-slapping today, so bring it on, fools. Of course, I could choose to ingore you. Just depends on my mood and how stupid you sound.
Well, my input is that it behooves Conservatives/Republicans/GOP whatever, to throw out there a young beautiful and articulate true conservative version of Miss McCain out there. In a way, I can see why she’s voicing the way she is, if she ever vies for a career in Hollywood so she’s just being opportunistic not dishonest. More than that, I can’t just rail at the left for crowning her a conservative voice if we left an empty silent field for them. I mean, where’s OUR equivalent of pop rock artists and actors out there and if any, why aren’t they speaking up? Isn’t there at least one hip teenie-twenty booper-type beauty out there who can elegantly convey conservative tenets to teetering America out there, like some kind of spice-and-span clean Lindsay Lowhan or Hannah Montana?
James Greenidge
Queens, NY
Scathing! Why Ms. Malkin is the best.
Laura Ingraham really got it right when she mimicked Ms. McCain’s anti-Coulter VALLEY GIRL rant. It was hysterically funny and a well-deserved shot at this newest of McCain quislings.
Bravo Zulu Michelle!! Well-said!
Even if we had a nice, young, good-looking conservative voice out there, she would be slimed and slandered, just like Sarah Palin. Who wants to go through that? The liberals are shutting down our side by trashing us and making us run for cover before our lives are ruined.
I just wonder if all this commentary on Meghan McCain is necessary.. I mean was there anyone who really believed the little poptart was a Conservative in the first place? I see her the same as I do Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, & the rest of the spoiled brats that hang around Hollywood.
Just tuning in here so maybe this has already been stated. I saw MMcC on Fox and Friends last week when she spoke about Ann Coulter. She said something to the effect that she had asked for an interview with Ann and was either turned down or didn’t get a response. I think Ann should have sat down with her and spelled things out. Ann is brilliant and very entertaining and probably patriotic enough to want help a few young minds expand.
Actually, what they’re doing is grossly and intentionally misrepresenting our side by behaving as though Paris McCain is a conservative to begin with. No self respecting conservative would vote for Lurch Kerry, and they certainly wouldn’t admit it in public if they had.
I’d take Ann Coulter any day of the week and twice on Sunday over a vapid progressive like Paris McCain. Ann may be course, but at least she has the courage of her convictions.
No, she even talked about her problem with the GOP because of what “it” did to her father in 2000. “Conservatism” is not a belief system to her, it is a label she can exploit to exact revenge.
The only good reason to stomp her into the ground now (figuratively, of course) is because the liberals in the media will showcase her as a “conservative” who hates conservatism and it will serve their purposes. The ignorant electorate will eat it up and continue to vote accordingly if we don’t call her BS for what it is.
Yeah, Dan, it is regrettable that such lightweights hog so much attention space, but the reality is the MSM loves them because they give credibility to the Rs-are-imploding meme and help demoralize us, which is Job #1 for the MSM. So they have to be confronted, because silence will allow the MSM to claim they speak for us. The kid is just carrying on a family tradition of course.
The real take-away here (IMHO) is that we have one enemy that we have to overcome, and that is the media. All conservatives need to understand that there is no accomodation that can be made to get favorable reception for our ideas with them. We can have our principles and their disdain, or we can have their (fake) admiration if we discard our principles. Many younger people, and those like David Frum who are merely childish, will take the latter.
If she’s such a Maverick, why doesn’t she go truly conservative to disassociate herself from her father. Nahh, she’s probably just like so many others who try to get acceptance from the liberal community by trashing the right. Arianna Huffington’s full tilt to the left comes to mind……
MM is mad at Ms. McCain because Ms. McCain doesn’t know that good conservatives hate everything liberal. If an entertainer says something liberal, you hate said entertainer.
When Arnold Schwarzenegger became a Republican, I said “Hasta la vista, Baby!” and threw out all the Terminator movies I had bought. I practiced hating Jamie Lee Curtiss for co-staring with him in “True Lies”. I will never again watch “Law and Order” since Fred Thompson is associated with it . . . not.
Ummm… course should be coarse… guess I need a day off.
Takes one to know one.
Na Na Na Na Boo Boo
Is this the new litmus test? Who you like as an entertainer?
It certainly says something about your character, doesn’t it? And mookie, if you’d been paying attention, you’d know it’s not a “litmus test” at all. Most of us understand Meghan is a self absorbed, not overly bright young woman who doesn’t know enough to know her own lack of political intelligence.
Could someone enlighten me with what exactly what does this crapweasel believe in, or is she just looking for herself?
Mookie, I actually respect “you”, but c’mon, you know better.
Maybe I am a square but I still think that Milton Berle is hilarious.
I hear she likes the Dixie Chicks too!
Riddle me this batdope…..
Is being a idiot a full time job for you?
Funny how the only time GOP kids get instant credibility is when they bash their ‘own’. Meghan McCain is a spolied little tart who is now being legitimized by the liberal media because she is starting to bash conservatives. When Meghan’s intelligence reaches anything near Ann Coulter’s, she can then take a swipe at her. Until then, she needs to shut the hell up.
Russell Brand will one day pray for a ‘retarded cowboy’ like GW to come to his rescue when Sharia law takes effect in England. Foul-mouthed, androgynous comedians are not favored by Islamic extremists. He will be one of the first in line for leg-breaking and then decapitiation. It would actually serve him right for being so dense and idiotic about the world around him. Sadly, he hates folks like us and yet someone like me would lay down my life to protect someone like him from those extremists.
She’s the first to admit that she’s not an expert on politics. This is only my opinion but I think going after her for liking Russell Brand is stupid. I also think Brand is stupid but that’s not the point. I think Meghan makes a very valid point about “new” Republicans. There are hundreds of thousands of pro-military, pro-gun, fiscal conservatives who feel isolated from the GOP because of social issues. Look at the amount of hate thrown Allah’s way at Hot Air because he’s an atheist. Every single day, people tell him he’s not a real conservative or real Republican because he doesn’t believe in God. When did that become a requirement? When did being against civil unions become a requirement? I know everyone wants to roll their eyes at the “big tent” philosophy but I truly believe if the party doesn’t stop automatically discounting someone because of social beliefs, they’re screwed. The idea that everyone must march in lockstep is a recipe for disaster. It will alienate a good number of voters in their 20’s and 30’s who want a strong military and fewer taxes to become blue dog Democrats or independents. I completely agree with Meghan about that. And anyone who expected her not to be loyal to her father is naive. Coulter said some really vicious stuff about McCain. Put yourself in Meghan’s shoes for a second. If that was your dad and someone, in this case Tina Brown, gave you a high profile platform to talk about your experiences being the daughter of a politician, can you honestly say you wouldn’t vent?
Then she needs to make it clear she speaks for herself and not some “conservative movement”. That is not how it is portrayed.
What “conservative movement” is she allegedly speaking for?
I know you are, but what am I? Pick up your toys…time to leave.
I really enjoyed this. MM can really put a girl in her place.
I sympathize with Meghan McCain when it comes to Laura Ingraham’s comments about her weight.
I used to enjoy Laura’s radio show. Her political commentary and grasp of the issues are first rate. As a Catholic, I rejoiced at the story of her conversion and the adoption of her daughter. But I’ve grown weary of her snide remarks about fat people, bald guys, guys with their shirttails not tucked into their pants, guys who wear ballcaps in public, blah, blah, blah. I get the occasional vent about a pet peeve or two, but I don’t want to listen to her complain about the latest trends in pop culture and other folks’ beer guts for three hours or even three minutes, and she comes off as catty when she hosts programs like the O’Reilly Factor. (Video taken from commercial breaks backs this up.)
MM’s post here is the kind of substantive criticism, as McCain put it, she so richly deserves.
“Conservatives” who espouse liberal beliefs for the sake of fitting in. She’s an ideological whore.
“But I assure you, there are many people out there just like me who represent a new, younger generation of Republicans.”
How does that make her an ideological whore if those are her true beliefs?
The fact that Meghan is completely ga-ga over that slimy so-called comedian…to the extent where she twitters her friends and tells them to listen to him because he is “freaking hilarious”, shows a flaw in her character that can only show her hypocrisy when she says she is conservative. And it does give fodder to those who want to put true conservatism in the same mold. She is hurting us, big time. The media is eating it up. You are known by the comany you keep and that is also true when it comes to the sleaze-balls you find funny. A “comedian” who does nothing but bash anything conservative and who uses foul language in every sentence is not someone a true conservative would listen to. That’s a fact. The whole point of MM’s thread is that Meghan has no political principles, yet pretends that she does, and the media encourages it for that very reason.
Meghan McCain is promoting the comedy work of Russell Brand, who continually attacks conservatives in vicious ways, yet she can’t tolerate Ann Coulter because of her “brand” of humor. Crass is a good word–check it out.
I agree with you about Laura Ingraham’s “fat jokes”. That is tasteless and beneath her. She needs to keep it classy. I have struggled with weight all my life and I think fat jokes are very mean-spirited. Having said that, I just want to say, since last August, I have lost 48 pounds and am well on my way to being one of the thin people! However, I will NEVER make fun of fat people…EVER.
ooops! Except Michael Moore!
Saying you only want to be a conservative if “conservatives” change to a more popular format is how.
It isn’t about core beliefs with her. She is incredibly shallow and she is being held up as some type of conservative standard bearer because of her last name. That, in and of itself, is a joke, but that is how the media is using her and that is how she is allowing herself to be used. In other words, she is an ideological whore.
Because her true beliefs belong on the left side of the aisle, not the right!! Geez!
I’m sorry but I think that’s silly. Who I like as an entertainer has nothing to do with my politics and I think it’s crazy to judge someone’s political convictions based on who they find entertaining. Let me ask you this: should every liberal who is a “true liberal” not listen to Ted Nugent’s music because he said on more than one occasion that he wants Obama, Pelosi, Clinton, etc. to suck on his machine guns and wishes they were dead?
If she poses as a conservative while maintaining liberal principles, how does that NOT make her an ideological sellout? (Forgive me, but I find the use of the term “whore” in these sorts of situations, even when prefaced with the adjective “ideological.”) She’s not some new, progressive, forward-thinking flavor of conservative; she’s the same old flavor of liberal, wrapped up in daughter-of-a-former-Republican-Presidential-candidate packaging.
If she would like to restore her ideological honesty, she ought to brand herself as a moderate or a liberal. As it is, she is an outsider who is seeking to change what the Republican party stands for.
You just proved my point. You’re saying there’s no room on the right for someone who leans socially liberal but is otherwise a conservative. The pro-second amendment, pro-military, fiscally conservative opinions don’t matter.
A socially liberal, fiscal conservative is nothing more than a liberal with a tight wallet.
happyscrapper,
Congratulations. You should be very proud of yourself.
Remember, it’s OK to make fun of fat people; it’s just not becoming to make fun of them for being fat. You mentioned Michael Moore. I could make fun of that guy for days without going anywhere near his weight.
Keep it up!
Come on, Mookie, you CAN’T be that dense! Are you putting us on? There is a huge difference between listening to music written by a loony liberal, or going to a Sean Penn movie (which are truly good, by the way), and sitting there listening to a non-funny comedian spew hatred and 4 letter words and calling it comedy. On the one hand, you are looking at or listening to the works of a talented person, even though their political views may be moonbatty. On the other hand, you are listening to filth and vitriol. NOW can you tell the diffence? Seriously, you need to buy a clue.
Happy, that is terrific! Congratualtions. One of the hardest things on earth to do. How did you do it?
Mookie, you are making me angry. I’m through trying to show you any reasonable viewpoint. You don’t get it and you apparently never will. I give up.
Nugent isn’t exactly Mr. Sunshine and Roses.
Mookie is just being difficult, happyscrapper.
Based on Mookie’s previous posts, he/she knows better.
NO, NO, NO. We’re not saying there’s no room for them. We’re saying that they are claiming to be here on the right with us when they’re not. If you are “socially liberal,” which is a nice way of saying that you’re a socialist baby-killer, you are not a conservative regardless of where you fall on other important issues.
The point is Mz. McCain’s hypocricy for attacking Ann Coulter (who is brilliant, btw) for the occasional vulgarity while holding up a pathetic comedian who majors in vulgarity of the worst kind.
Mookie…the Republican party at it is currently is presented, is pretty much non-conservative, so go ahead and support the republican party. As for the true conservatives, the republican party does not reflect our values and we need it to go back to basics. The democrats have gone off the chart wacko radical liberal. The republicans are at the point where the dems USED to be, before the socialist-marxists took it over ala Soros. There is NO conservative party in existence…and it is desperately needed! Now I’m done talking to you.
I think people who do such insidious things are whores, regardless of their gender. “Sellout” is too weak to describe their lack of moral fiber, in my opinion.
PB, I’m not trying to be difficult. Not at all. This is something I personally wrestle with all the time. Most of my views are conservative but I’m more socially liberal than the prototypical conservative. I support gay marriage. I don’t think that supporting it should automatically disqualify me from being a conservative but that’s the way it appears to be. I don’t think it’s right and I think that’s what Meghan is saying as well. Why does it have to be all or nothing?
But…but…I congratulated you on your weight loss.
I lied. I’m not done talking to you! I’m not familiar with Nugent. But if his music is good and my kind of music, I will listen to it, regardless of his political leanings. If, on the other hand, his music is laced with 4-letter words and crap, I won’t listen to it. Simple as that. I don’t boycott someone simply for their political viewpoint, if they leave it out of their works. I do boycott (personally) anyone who drops f-bombs in the middle of their supposed comedy act, as if that makes them somehow funnier.
That’s fair. I can tolerate profanity but not just for the sake of using it and/or shock value.
happyscrapper, you’re terrific sticking it out! You’ll live a lot longer and be around to help stomp out trolls, making the rest of us happy. Actually, that might be a pretty good exercise in and of itself huh?
And “whore” is far too strong. Prudence dictates that one err on the side of caution in such cases, in my opinion. And don’t you think that “insidious” is not exactly, um, intellectually honest? Darth Vader is insidious. Meghan McCain? Dishonest, uninformed about what it means to be a conservative, or silly perhaps, but “insidious”? Not so much… Do you really think that what she is doing is “insidious”? Please correct me if I’m wrong, because I don’t presume to know what you’re thinking.
Yeah, that was nice of you, and I hadn’t read it before I went off on you! You have been really frustrating me! But if you are seriously trying to get some answers and are struggling with it, I will try to be more patient. You just sounded a bit like a troll there for a bit. But I don’t think you are! Just confused as to the true meaning of CONSERVATISM.
Anyway, I was in Weight Watchers years ago and then gained a lot back. So I decided to use their plan again, only this time do it on my own. I have all their tools and I just count points. It is relatively painless, and very gratifying. I feel so much better!! And I can now fit in an airplane seat without getting a dirty look from the person next to me. Losing weight is never totally easy, but it is worth it.
Mookie – I have yet to see you comment in a positive way on any of MM’s posts. As far as I can tell, you’re no kind of conservative.
And when you say social issues I assume you include abortion, gay special rights and ‘keep ‘em slaves’ welfare. For me there is no compromise on these issues as they make up the fabric of our society and when compromised lead to the horrific inner-city issues, baby-killing and anti-family stuff that is killing us from within.
happyscrapper – As far as I’ve seen, Mooks is a troll.
Why do people with strict conservative beliefs have to cede them? I don’t ever hear the argument that liberals should be more conservative to fit in. People who don’t believe in gay marriage have just as much a right to think that as you do to support it. The truth is, the current GOP is painted as a haven for the far right social conservatives when, in fact, people who hold truly conservative beliefs are being ostracized by the GOP in droves.
True social conservatives don’t have a political party, as was stated earlier. That is why it is infuriating to see people like Meghan bashing the GOP for being too far right when it is, in fact, too liberal to even be called conservative. You fit right in with the current GOP…the one that thinks more liberal ideals are better.
Make sense? Meghan is part of the problem and the media is glad to use her to further alienate true conservatives. She is happy to be used because it strokes her ego and allows her to get revenge for all the ways she feels she has been wronged. Social cons are an easy target for those who want to be liked by liberals.
The problem is that liberals are defining conservatism and when their entering argument is that current conservatives are too far to the right (which, sickeningly, they aren’t), it allows people like Meghan to exploit her position to push liberal views even further under the guise of conservatism.
Imagine being a true social conservative, Mookie. Imagine having NO voice in Washington, no meaningful push to speak up for what you believe to be right. Once you are there, you can talk to me about being troubled.
As it stands, you are what the GOP currently is…a bunch of liberals with a bad label.
The difference between John and Meghan McCain is that John McCain has spent a lifetime of service to his country, and after decades in the Senate, is a well-known quantity. When he gets all “mavercky”, it is in the context of a long record. I may not agree with him, but I at least have to admit that he is putting his reputation on the line and has his own reasons for the things he says.
Meghan, however, is a nobody. There is no reason to presume that she is the least bit Conservative. She can say she is whatever she wants to say, and there is no decades-long record of positions and statements to contradict her.
Her success comes as making herself into a convenient club with which to beat “her fellow” Conservatives. Without that value, she would be an absolute nobody.
Yes, I believe she feels scorned and she is being as vindictive as her fifteen minutes will allow. If you have ever heard her speak about her hatred and resentment for Bush and the GOP and the grudge that she holds, it is hard to see it any other way.
She’s petty and, yes, insidious. That is my opinion.
I wouldn’t get too worked up over what I think of Meghan McCain if I were you.
Who indeed? I would think that Ms. Baille would need to be a bit less perturbed, considering when Brand first did this she went straight to her Myspace page and said how happy she was for the publicity, and for someone who is so concerned about her grandfather finding out who she slept with, you would think she would be a bit more discreet than staring in pornos, having nude photo shoots AFTER the episode and dancing as a burlesque girl called “Voluptua” with the group “Satan’s sluts”. With a history like that, is it any wonder she would consider a bi-polar, heroin addicted freak like Brand to be a “gentleman” and a “Friend”?
As far as McCain’s daughter liking a comedian, well, this guy is not necessarily my cup of tea, as it were, and his antics are pure lowest common denominator, but let’s be honest for just a moment. Are we now supposed to limit who we listen to, watch, and find to be entertaining to only those people who are ideologically equal to ourselves?
If that is the case, then I’m sorry, I can no longer be a Conservative.
While there are those people and groups I have ceased listening to based on certain things they have done or said, such as “The Dixie Chicks” and a few Hollywood types, if we are supposed to linit it entirely, then we need to rid ourselves of all TV’s, movies, DVD’s newspapers etc. There is just such a large number of folks out there with really twisted views based on the fact that they are marshmallow brained to begin with, and then have been given celebrity status which apparently comes with the belief that anything you think, other people must think too.
Of she likes to listen to this idiot and finds him funny, so be it. She is in the age range that he targets to begin with…the college crowd. When I was in college I was listening to Sam Kinnison, The Dice Man and a few others that are not exactly in the Christian Top 10. That does not make anything I do or say or feel any less important or wrong or right. I say this is a non-issue.
What we really need to figure out when it comes to the younger McCain is why anyone would care what she has to say in the first place and why she is being used on television as a pundit? That is a MUCH better question.
Joy, I’ve been posting here for three years. Just because I don’t agree with every single thing Michelle posts doesn’t make me a troll. I agree with the majority of it and have said as much in numerous threads on the stimulus. I’m sorry if you missed those posts but I’m not a troll. And yes, we disagree about gay marriage but that doesn’t make me anti-family. I like families. I like kids. I’m not out to destroy them.
Happy, I’ve struggled too and Weight Watchers seems to be the most consistently successful approach. There’s nothing worse than being told you can’t have something since that makes you automatically want it even more. With WW, you can have everything, just in moderation. Sometimes it’s the simplest things that make the most sense. And I can completely relate about the airplane seats. I’ve compared walking down the aisle of a plane to walking the Green Mile to the execution chamber. You can practically hear people praying you don’t sit next to them. Good for you for sticking with it and I hope you have continued success.
And Emperor Palpatine is Darth Sidious. Coincidence? Hmmm…..
Something about the way you worded that just made it click. We feel the same, just in different ways. You feel like your party abandoned you and I feel like there’s no room for me in it. You probably look at people like me as a threat to conservatism. That makes sense. No one likes having others attempt to stir up their beliefs. I don’t know why I didn’t understand where you were coming from before but now it makes sense. I’m sorry it took me so long.
Mookie…I don’t think it is necessarily all or nothing. There are some issues that are, I think, negotiable, even for true conservatives like myself. However,Pro-life is, to me, non-negotiable. Gay marriage, also is not something I support and I’ll tell you why! Gay couples get the same benefits as married couples do, if they go through a civil ceremony, put their partner on their life insurance policy, and specify their partner can make life/death decisions for them. They can do that now. The way I see it, Gays are only trying to push the marriage issue because they can. The radical gays push their life-style agenda on us very blatantly and, I think, over the top. I accept the gay community as people just like us who should keep their radicals at bay and just live in peace with us. I have no beef with them in that respect. I have a gay nephew and my husband has a gay nephew, both of whom are living their own lives and not pushing their values on anyone else. Other social issues where we disagree with “social dems” are: welfare vs. charitable giving, butting into our lives by passing laws for everything…like helmets seat belts, smoking, and millions of other intrusions into what should be our own business and personal responsibility. The social democrat views would also include global warming and PETA-type leanings.
I think the point is, we have good reasons to be against some of the things that the democrats lable a racist or bigots. What we are really about is common sense and high moral standards. It is not racist to support welfare reform and getting these people back to work. It is not bigoted to oppose gay marriage when they can get the same benefits as married couples do, but not sanctioned by the church.
Do you see the difference? There are some things we would compromise on as conservatives, but not a lot!
Ms McCain is simply a spoiled little rich girl with nothing worthwhile to say. Who would care what she says?
Naw…Mookie isn’t a troll, though I admit to actually thinking that at one time. Mookie is just a different kind of duck ho tends to like a good scrap, as well as not being very bendable…however, to place Mook in the same category as LGM and IHMC and a couple of others is in no way consistent with who Mook is. I don’t always agree with him/her, but for the most part he/she sticks with the Moderate Republican view point.
Ms McCain’s qualifications:
1, Related to someone who once did something.
2, …crickets….
Are we talking about a Kennedy???
I think Meghan just needs to go out with a true Conservative a few times. With the proper exposure, she would turn out OK. I could volunteer, you know, take one for the team, but she is on the other side of the country. Oh well.
You got that right! I am healther because I am thinner and eating right. But some of the things said on these blogs probably put my blood pressure up into the very dangerous zone! Then, I go cool off by scrapbooking a few lovely pages!
We’re not saying that, Fireman. The point is, she is claiming to be conservative while touting the “talents” of a vile, foul mouthed creep, who looks like he hasn’t had a shower in 6 months. Fine to like that sort of thing. Not fine to promote it to your friends and still claim to be a conservative. I covered this in another of my posts. I go to Sean Penn movies because they are usually good and he is a good actor. I wouldn’t go to one if he filled it with hate speech and dropped the f bomb in every sentence. That is the difference, as I see it.
I couldn’t agree with you more about the idiotic concept of opposition = racism/bigotry. I don’t think that everyone who opposes gay marriage is homophobic, nor do I think someone who supports welfare reform is racist, especially since I support it and I know I’m not racist. The only area where I would disagree with you here is regarding the same benefits. Even if a gay couple has a civil union and files all the legal documents to ensure their assets go to their partner, they are taxed as individuals and don’t receive federal benefits that straight couples do. They also have to pay taxes on their health benefits, although according to today’s news, we all might be doing that soon (stupid, stupid, stupid). A gay couple that’s been together for 30 years pays higher taxes on their property than a straight couple that has been married for a year. I think that if the tax laws were changed so that gay couples who have civil unions receive the equal tax/health care benefits of straight couples, the marriage issue would fade away. Yes, there will always be extremists who think they should be able to force a Catholic church to marry them and that’s just ridiculous. But the majority of gays and lesbians would be happy to just go about living their normal lives.
On March 15th, 2009 at 4:38 pm,
Hey Fireman, are you turning into a “dirty old man” or have you always been one? Ha!! Anyway, I know you are single, and so is she, so go for it!!
Completely OT – but did everyone see the article/interview of our MM over at HotAir? She is too modest in not posting it here, but I enjoyed the heck out of it (hint: it wasn’t a hit job). Michelle, congrats and wishing you many years of success with your writing.
RetFireman, Meghan was just complaining that she can’t meet a good man because of her political background. Now’s your chance!
RetFireman – Okay, I’ll prove I know how to compromise and I’ll call her Troll-light.
There are degrees of trolls and I don’t place her in an LGM category. She just seems to really enjoy being contrary in a troll-light sort of way…
It’s not about her liking a comedian, it’s about her(and the media’s) hypocrisy on the issue. Apparently, “extreme” thinking is only an issue if you’re on the right. If you’re on the left, presidential candidates will beat down the door to attend your convention(DailyKos)with no criticism from the media.
That’s easy: because she has something negative to say about Conservatives.
I was thinking the same thing. If you’re going to post the hate mail, you should post at least some of the good stuff. The description of Allahpundit made me laugh.
You have a point about the gay marriage issue. I do think that gay couples should be able to get the same benefits as any other committed couple. And, gay marriage is legal in some states. I had an aunt (my Mother’s sister) who was a lesbian and had the same partner her entire adult life. They went to Hawaii and got married, but lived in Chicago. I don’t know if that is legally recognized or not. But the point is, they were together until my aunt died. They were the dearest people on this earth and would give you anything. I think they should have had all the benefits afforded other committed couples. They loved and took care of each other completely. Marriage as a Holy Sacrament is out in my opinion. But the gay couples should get the same benefits…all the way, when they go through a civil ceremony. I still believe the gay lifestyle is against Biblical doctrine. But I refuse to be the judge of that. It is up to God to sort that out. I also believe the gays are born that way and have no control over the fact that they are gay. I don’t think it is a “curable” thing. Just my opinion, for what it is worth.
I agree, Joy…that is the impression I am getting from Mookie too.
I would never support anything that would force churches to marry gay and lesbian couples. It goes against the very nature of equality. You can’t take away someone else’s beliefs to benefit your own. Sadly, there are some gays and lesbians who want all or nothing and I think it’s to the detriment of the gay community as a whole.
Hey, where’s the interview with MM on Hot Air? I looked and couldn’t find it. Link please?
I’ve been on this site nearly a year, and as far as I can tell Mookie is Mookie. I only agree with her about 60% of the time, but I’m laid back about it.
The idea that conservatives (or liberals) will agree 100% on things is almost non-existent.
No worries, I’m glad we can at least spar knowing where the other is coming from.
Yes, my beliefs have been abandoned by all political parties. You, at least, have people in government fighting for what you believe in regardless of the name under which they fight.
Social conservatives are quite misunderstood…usually branded as unfeeling, uncaring racists and bigots. Couldn’t be further from the truth.
It is one thing to have pop culture incessantly assaulting your beliefs, it is another to have the government do it while sticking its hand in your pocket and saying they speak for you.
It’s okay, I’m prepared for the zombie invasion.
Happyscrapper, the gay lesbian issue touches almost every family – admitted, ignored, or simply still in the closet. I have gay friends that are completely against gay marraige. They hold the view that a religious union is simply to protect the rights of inheritance and uphold rights of succession of offspring. Yet, lesbians I’ve worked with or known are adamant they have a religious ceremony. I know many couples that are hetero that have cohabitated for 30 years or more as well – or lived in sin as my mother would have said. They didn’t get any tax or health benefit breaks either. There will come a day when the issue is resolved, I hope, to everyone’s benefit.
I agree!
Now, off to do some scrapping!
Joy, I don’t know because it was there earlier. Perhaps Allah didn’t like his review and took it down? Now, I’ve gone and done it… banned I’m sure.
Little Meghan simply wants to be one of the ‘ingroup’- you know, the same coooool dudes and dudettes who voted for “The One” because “He” was soooooooo cool too. If she has to be a grownup and stand by some actual principles, well then we know what will happen – - the really coooooool kids won’t play with her anymore. Poor little Meghan.
Correction Joy – MM’s interview is below the Headlines fold under Politics.
Hey Boiler…I assume you went to Purdue. So did my daughter. Very nice campus!
And that goes also for those liberals who are trying to force doctors to perform abortions even if against their beliefs. Hard to even grasp that concept, but there are those trying to enforce it.
Ah, now I get your moniker. I too have done some scrapping myself, very rewarding, hope to get back to it again someday. As for the tax benefits of legal marriage, I read somewhere that the new tax code is punitive for married couples. If I recall correctly, the exemptions for a married couple is less that two single people combined. I may be wrong, but I can’t recall where I read this, maybe someone can help out with a link?