First, they came for AIG bonuses
The House is set to vote today on the retroactive, confiscatory 90 percent tax on bailout-funded bonuses. Lawmakers say the tax will apply to Fannie/Freddie bonuses. But who knows what the hell will end up in this Chicken Little measure:
The House is scheduled to vote today on a bill that would levy a 90 percent tax on bonuses paid to employees with family incomes above $250,000 at companies that have received at least $5 billion in government bailout money.
“We figured that the local and state governments would take care of the other 10 percent,” said Rep. Charles Rangel of New York, chairman of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee.
Rangel said the bill would apply to mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, among others, while excluding community banks and other smaller companies that have received less bailout money…The top two members of the Senate Finance Committee on Tuesday announced a bill that would impose a 35 percent excise tax on the companies paying the bonuses and a 35 percent excise tax on the employees receiving them. The taxes would apply to all companies receiving government bailout money, but they are clearly geared toward AIG.
The NYPost rightly warns that such politically expedient power grabs are courting catastrophe:
Now, a bonus witch-hunt will satisfy many souls but it surely won’t help solve Liddy’s problem.
Which, obviously, is America’s problem, too.
And such action threatens substantially to damage other institutions now being swept up in it.
Four big New York employers each, it needs to be noted, a major local tax-revenue generator seem to be squarely in Pelosi and Rangel’s sights: Citigroup, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley.
Many banks entered the federal bailout program because of intense pressure from Washington and many only after being assured that confiscatory taxation and other ex post facto penalties would be off the table.
How badly any of them will be hurt depends on the fine print in the legislation now at issue. Certainly it would be useful if those details got a complete airing before Congress acts.
But politics, hypocrisy, resentment and fear have good sense on the run.
Beware the awful precedent this after-the-fact 90 percent tax grab will set. Remember that last month, Barney Frank was already flexing his grubby paws over executive compensation:
Congress will consider legislation to extend some of the curbs on executive pay that now apply only to those banks receiving federal assistance, House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank said.
“There’s deeply rooted anger on the part of the average American,” the Massachusetts Democrat said at a Washington news conference today.
He said the compensation restrictions would apply to all financial institutions and might be extended to include all U.S. companies.
First, they came for AIG bonuses. Next?
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Lawhawk: “You can’t lose the irony on any of this. Rep. Charles Rangel, the New York Democrat who’s managed to avoid paying taxes on real estate transactions for years, run afoul of House ethics rules regarding his parking spot, and generally thinks himself as being above the law, is leading the charge to impose a confiscatory tax of 90% on persons receiving the bonuses (executive compensation) at AIG and other companies receiving a bailout from the federal government.”
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If they are taxed at 90%, does that mean their charitable contributions will be taken off that top marginal rate? Perhaps they could backdate a few contributions to the charities of their choices and get a building or two named for them.
Gray, blustery days like this (at least it is here near the nation’s capital, aka “Sodom and Gomorrah on the Potomac”) really makes me miss Reagan…
“If God doesn’t judge America He’ll have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.” — Billy Graham
OT: Obama’s teleprompter has started it’s own blog:
http://baracksteleprompter.blogspot.com/
At last we’ll get the inside story about the inner workings of this administration.
You know, I used to feel the same way, but the more I thought about it, the angrier I got. I decided I’m not going to run away from America when she needs me the most. I’m going to stay and fight these fascist bastards tooth and nail. I think my beloved country deserves that much.
Reminds me of the old IRS 1040EZ form joke that’s about to be the new Obama change reality…
1) How much did you make last year…___
2) Send it in.
Makes you think, I wonder how they will define “bailout” in the long run— will that mean anyone that gets any type of tax refund….
like it said above they came for AIG and then they came for _____ etc etc and then they came for me and their was no one left to defend me…
I always get nervous when their are bills that say “90% tax” in them…
I’d rather they did us all a big favor and repealed the bailouts or porkulus bills. That’s change I could believe in that would give us some true hope for the future.
I believe that was originally Thomas Jefferson. An excellent quote, nonetheless.
Well actually, the qualification is age. 25 for House, 30 for Senate and 35 for President IIRC. It presumed, at the time, that at those ages, the candidates would have sufficient life experience, knowledge and maturity for the positions.
Much has changed in the last half century as chronilogical age is no guarantee appropriate experience, knowledge and/or maturity of those who represent us in D.C. Alas, I guess it is reflective of the electorate as whole.
“The power to tax is the power to destroy.” – Chief Justice John Marshall in McCulloch v Maryland, 17 U.S. 316 (1819).
The underlying concern here is not the fact that executives who managed to run an insurance underwriter into the ground will now receive $165MM of the $170B fronted by the U.S. taxpayers. Morals and principles aside, the $165MM is a rounding error in the overall scheme of things.
The far greater concern is that touched on by Chief Justice Marshall in the McCulloch case and quoted above. If the Congress is permitted to deliberately target segments of society for the imposition of excessive taxation, then where does it stop?
Taking it to a present day (though not perhaps future) extreme – what if employees of coal fired power plants are targeted for a “green” tax rate of 90% of their wages because they work in a “polluting” industry?
What if, after federal registration of all firearms, every owner of firearms is targeted for an income tax of 90% to offset the cost of inner-city gun violence?
What if, after federal regulation of the auto industry, every owner of a car deemed to be of “non-US origin” is targeted for an income tax 90% to offset the damage to U.S. unions?
What if, after the “Fairness Doctrine” is deemed ‘politically unacceptable,’ every voice of dissent, Michelle included, is targeted for an income tax of 90% to promote the distribution of a ‘balancing’ viewpoint?
This is an extraordinarily dangerous territory into which the congress, with the open encouragement of the administration, has wandered. For those who seek to place the good of the governors over that of the governed, the ability to target one’s perceived foes for financial ruin holds an allure and attraction that should send cold chills up everyone’s back who has ever ‘disagreed’ with the actions or policies of ANY congress or ANY administration.
As Michelle so astutely states, “First they came for the AIG executives.” This administration, this congress, knows no limits to pursuing their agenda. This administration, this congress, recognizes no principles, no morals, and no standards other than those that serve their own, narrow, self-serving, self-enriching goals.
We have lost our way. The congress, the people’s house, has set upon a path to destroy the very souls of those whom they have been elected to represent. It’s easy to selectively target individuals such as Barney Frank, but far from being the cause of the illness, Barney (at best) is perhaps only the most obvious symptom of a far more severe, potentially citizen-fatal, disease that has swept through congress and the administration.
One can only hope that someone, somewhere, is able to recognize the danger, corral the reactionary tendencies, satiate the need for immediate gratification, and promote a long term responsible attitude in Congress. 190 years ago Chief Justice Marshall recognized that a state could not pre-empt a federal action through punitive taxation, one can only hope that someone today has similar wisdom and insight to understand that congress should not be able to pre-empt the rights of citizens through similar punitive taxation.
I pray for our country…
shinola
This is an example of why government can’t run anything. They grandstand, and, well, they play “politics” with everything. AIG bonuses. Who the f cares. What does it matter, in the larger scheme of things? Bonuses, or not … what difference does it make? It makes all the difference to the demagogues.
and besides age, of course, being a natural born U.S. citizen.
If they get away with this, it means they can get away with passing a personal income tax of say…60%? 70%? Just like the old days?
The one thing for sure they are constitutionally supposed to run is the military, and even that the government doesn’t run as well as it should.
oh shinola–I thank you for your illustration.
signed,
a hole in the ground
AIG did not create the economic meltdown, congress did through bad economic policies. Then they pass through a piece of legislation to bailout AIG without reading the fine print. So I ask, who is responsible? Why congress of course, and they are now using AIG as a scapegoat. Recover the bonus money from congressional salaries.
Well, yes. The dems would love to reinstate those tax rates and probably intend to do so – if there is no one to stop them.
You at least have to be a citizen of the state and Congressional district you represent. Apparently that is a very difficult hurdle for top Democrats.
First, Tom Daschle represented North Dakota although he claimed Virginia(?) as his primary residence for tax reasons. Today, Bloomberg reports that CA Congressweasel Pete Stark, second ranking member of the tax-writing Ways and Means committee, claims Maryland as his primary residence.
I was thinking the same thing about retroactive abortions for certain people.
I could be wrong, but I believe it was Thomas Jefferson who first said that.
I think the majority of us on this site saw this coming after 11/4/08. Still, it is surprising it is happening so quickly.
The bottom line is that the Federal Government since January 20 has initiated an all out war on the private enterprise system, the first and second amendments (at a minimum), the family unit, and small businesses.
I have looked at the tactics, comments, and timing of each event. This is not incompetance. This is a time phased, previously planned, coordinated, strategic assault coming from the White House.
The conservative movemment and the non-RINOs in their party need to start thinking strategically in terms of blunting this assualt and frankly coming up with a plan to not only defend, but conduct a strategic counter offensive.
I liked it better when Congress investigated steroid use in baseball. While a huge waste of time, at least it was harmless.
Again, I think AIG should not have paid out the bonuses (there are far worse things than breaching contracts), but now that they did, I certainly don’t want Congress setting dangerous precedent.
OT, but IMPORTANT
Oh, Heavenly Father, PRESERVE THIS REPUBLIC!
Guys:
I just found out, starting last night, the Treasury is buying our own debt!!
Our money is officially Monopoly(tm) money now!
This cannot happen.
I think Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Nancy Pelosi, etc. have lost their freaking minds. They are loose cannons that must be stopped.
Many have said “What’s next?” Are they going to decide I own too much property? Are they going to take my farm?
This cannot happen.
Here is the well known poem by Pastor Niemoller (Nazi-era Germany) from which Michelle borrows to create the thread title:
“In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up.”
(This is supposedly the version preferred by Niemoller himself for public credit/recitations)
…Just FYI.
How responsible for this mess is AIG? Afterall, these risky and creative loans were required to have mortgage insurance. Also, they were backed by the government through Frannie and Freddie.
It all falls back to Congress and the fact that these were forced on the mortgage companies. Unfortunately, the real culprits will never suffer for their actions, in fact, most of them will get reelected and be allowed to do even more damage.
The liberal agenda creates catastrophes that they can then claim need liberal solutions. It’s a hat trick they’ve been playing on America for decades, but they’re very good at it and too few people call them on it.
God Bless Thomas Sowell, one of the few with the nerve to call it the way he sees it.
It is a death spiral. When you have to print 1 trillion dollars to get a 150 point bump in the stock market, your economy is doomed.
This is why they’ve been stirring the public irritation pot — they’ve wanted to mis-direct us, like a stage magician…
The next stop after this is complete and total economic collapse. That’s what history tells us.
So Stinky’s desire is fulfilled. He wanted to end our “empire” (read his books…) and, so he will.
The US Dollar has never collapsed. Anyone here read enough history to know what happens after? (Well, here, I’m sure a lot of us…)
AIG is not in trouble because of its insurance business. The insurance side of AIG is relatively healthy. It is in trouble because of its Financial Products Division, which has put the entire company at risk.
Please Phil – as a former North Dakotan, Daschle was from SOUTH Dakota. Unfortunately, North Dakota has to claim Dorgan and Conrad but NOT tax-cheat Daschle!
Sell expensive tickets. ($20)
10 lashes on the representative/senator of the ticket holder’s choice.
Behind the Capitol Building.
Televised for Pay-Per-View.
Will wipe out the Demoncrat deficit in no time.
The question is, how can it be stopped?? Anyone? Tea parties won’t do it.
have you noticed the euro is rising against the dollar lately?? gold is up too…
Thanks, I can’t claim to have much knowledge about the financial industry or how all this stuff works, but it seems to me that every company connected to these lousy loans is suffering from that connection.
By implication in your post, this is exactly the point.
To what “…(there are far worse things than breaching contracts)…” are you referring? And, who metes out those “far worse things…”?
You can only mean the government. I submit: if this feeling of fear is commonly prevelent, we are already in a tyranny!
How many of the Founding Fathers warned that the government should fear the governed, and when that inverted we’d no longer be Free Men, but Slaves?
For what matters it if the Chains That Bind Us are of iron and steel, or if the Chains That Compulse Obedience are Mearly Fear of Our Government and The Mob that Government Controls?
This, my friends should have us baying at The Moon… but The Moon truly is a Harsh Mistress…
I don’t know, but doesn’t a “retention” bonus mean “if you stay then we will give you xxx dollars”? Instead of “bonus” perhaps it could be called “contracting fees”? You go to Starbucks, give them $5, they give you a coffee. Not saying it’s a good deal, but it’s a contract, isn’t it? They give you the coffee, you don’t say, I’ll give you 50 cents, it’s not worth $5? If people didn’t get the extra fees for staying, maybe they would have left. But they entered into a contract, and stayed. And now Congress wants to renege? The people stayed, but don’t get what they were contractually promised? That is capitalism short-circuited. It’s just wrong!
This is a prime example of the dangers of debating trolls. Anger leads to idiocy. It does not take much skill to drive a company into the ground. The only special “skill” demonstrated at AIG was the ability to bribe politicians via campaign contributions so that it would be propped up by taxpayers when it should be in bankruptcy.
It is disgusting to think CONGRESS would even think along these lines, but with the COVETOUS SOCIETY B. HUSSEIN’S administration has fostered, I am not surprised… My neighbor gets a NEW CAR… I do not wish a NEW CAR like my neighbors… I do not wish that my lot improves, so I can buy a NEW CAR like my neighbor… No, what I wish is my NEIGHBOR’S NEW CAR… Yes, we elected this DESPOT group that we call our leaders… Notice I said WE??? It is true as always, You get the GOVERNMENT you deserve, and ELECTIONS have CONSEQUENCES…
But they missed the only point that matters in the Age of Hope-a-Dope and the donkeys’ lock on Congress:
We now have a “Living, Breathing Constitution.”(TM)
Bills of attainder? Who cares.
Ex post facto? Whatever.
Freedom of contract? Please.
The Dear Leader and his minions won’t be bothered with parliamentary games and legal-trickery style bandying about of semantics from some ancient scrap of paper written by a bunch of white, male, slave-holding homophobes. That’s like, so 18th Century, man.
There’s Rush Limbaugh and AIG to demonize, and an appearance with Jay Leno to prepare for. Therefore, to allow the Dear Leader to press on with his Permanent Campaign undisturbed, the administration’s new Living, Breathing Constitutional Scholar will now be Woody Allen:
“The heart wants what it wants.”
That’s all you need to know about Constitutional Law in the Age of Hope-a-Dope: If it means getting what the donks want, then it’s de facto “constitutional.” We’ll rationalize the details later…
Oh, your just being an UnAmerican Tinhat Nutroot Wingnut to point that out! (unfortunately channelling MM…)
I’m glad someone mentioned this. It’s the politics of envy, envy which is at the root of narcissism, and at the root of the political left too. Not about what is right, but me me me. If others are diminished, then I am enhanced. Let’s make everyone equal, so no one feels small inside.
Oh, give me a break. There are many on here who don’t even identify with the Republican Party any longer including me. Both political parties are failing the American people which really shows that you can’t deal with reality. These bonuses were part of a business contract between the employer (AIG) and the employees. How would you feel if your “compensation” such as 401k was taken away? Would you like that?
Is this some kind of unconscious guilt complex on your part? Didn’t your relatives survive the Holocaust? For a non-practicing Jew, you’re really caught up in Nazi comparisons.
Furthermore, do you work in public education, either at the secondary, or college level? Who pays for your salary? That would be the state taxpayer. What would happen if suddenly every single taxpayer either stopped paying their property taxes or just sold their homes and rented? That would leave you in some trouble wouldn’t it? How ’bout if those tax-paying parents stopped paying tuition for their child to go to your “university/college?” That would leave professors in some trouble as well, right?
What if you worked for a private college/university? Who funds those institutions? That would be private endowments, alumni contributions, and the evil rich. Without any of that, professors would be out of a job. Personally, having lived a chunk of my life in a college town, I feel that professors are overpaid for doing very little work. Sort of like public school teachers (of which I used to be) but on a grander scale.
Don’t be surprised that the hand that feeds you, Math Man, slaps you in the face.
To what “…(there are far worse things than breaching contracts)…” are you referring? And, who metes out those “far worse things…”?
I’d much rather breach and pay damages than be viewed, whether correctly or incorrectly, as a company that doesn’t care about the public good.
The question becomes, how is this NOT a bill of attainder?
Its a tax laid on for the express intent of punishing these companies and employees, for PERFECTLY LEGAL acts.
Its also, an Ex Post Facto Tax, as the money was not taxable when paid.
Both of these things are EXPRESSLY forbiden to the Congress in the Constitution.
While I agree wholeheartedly, emjem, I would go a little further & note that they do a lot of work–it’s just Satan’s work.
I think we’re missing the boat.
In order to complete the transition to an offical Obamanation, Obie needs civil unrest.
When that has been engineered, there will be a call — real or manufactured — for Obie & The Donks to do Something!
Guesses as to what that something will be?
So, will the trigger be the burning of the
ReichtStaagCongress, March on theWolf’s LairWhitehouse, theself-defense from illegal sezureshooting of an ATFstormtroopergoonagent on a questionable warrant, or co-ordinatedmarchesriots in LA, NYC, WA?Simultaneuosly, nation-wide: declaration of martial law, confiscation of all firearms, curfews, travel checkpoints, monitoring all personal account for transactions of any size, meeting of more than 2 people monitored — or outlawed outright.
I tell you: this is what is desired by the top people group, not all the reps, but Obie, and the leadership of *both* parties…
Remember, they’re going to take care of those “Loud Folks”…
Congress isn’t the only group of bullies out for lunch money. Congress to hear testimony on ACORN’s “Muscle for Money” Racket. No, it wasn’t a scheme to hook up Barney Frank and Jim McGreevey with buff rent-boys. No, it’s the age-old “Race-based shakedown for money” game perfected by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.
You understand correctly, and yes, that is exactly what Congress is trying to do. It is against the law and unconstitutional. They must be stopped.
emjem24 (#141)
Ad Hominem: rebutting an argument by denigrating the person making the argument rather than the argument itself.
Look at your long LSD* fantasy of a post in which lgm takes more and more sinister forms. Do you think it’s right to compare recovering AIG bonus money paid from US bailout funds to Nazi wanton murder?
* Hint: not dyslexic Mormons.
They came for the rich, and I was silent because I wasn’t rich …
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Once it is settled that the puny corporate executives are no match for big government bureaurcrats, there will be no stopping Congress from going after Joe Taxpayer. After all, it was Joe Taxpayer who voted for, by popular majority mind you, the current crop of legally elected officials. There’s no sense in whining that Joe Taxpayer was stuck on stupid last November, since both parties were on the highway to Hell. We can claim that the current administration is taking a more direct route, but Joe’s only concern is that the route is NOT more direct and that Hell, if it really does exist, is not such a bad place. So, Joe “stuck on stupid” Taxpayer really deserves what’s coming because it will take hindsight for him to admit it was better from whence he came. But, if he’s like Congress, admitting wrongdoing is unthinkable.
And how will “public perception” matter a fig to a company that only (for the most part) deals with other companies? Not at all, because businesspeople who’s businesses haven’t been bent out-of-shape by gov. intervention only care if the job gets done.
And, don’t miss who is applying the stigma. Tyranny by regulating a person into a corner after which you whip up The Mob — all the while selling Government Approved(tm) tar & feathers — is another example of Tyranny!
The flavour is more strawberry-kiwi than strawberry-banana.
But, there are trolls here who will argue it is not. They simply have had better brainwashing than others…
Oh! But we wear our chains willingly… Author Unknown.
and
Parallels my thoughts exactly. Your two arguments hit it out of the park. There’s no contest. This prosecution is an egregious overstepping. It’s Alice in Wonderland.
Don’t even get me started on tenure…
While I agree wholeheartedly, emjem, I would go a little further & note that they do a lot of work–it’s just
Satan’sStalin’s work.You’re talking about yourself in the third person now? Really?
That is what you do continuously lgm; that and attack George Bush. You are a True Liberal Attack Dog-always going for the flanks and never addressing the issues.
Politics of the Personal- attack, ridicule, attempt to destroy. You are not very good at it, but you try so an E for effort lad.
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Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns
What a train wreck…
Can you imagine how many people will have to re-do their tax returns, start figuring out quarterly breaks, etc.? The IRS – never a well run team – will be crushed by this.
Case in point about the RINO’s in Congress. John Boehner said he doesn’t want those bonuses taxed, he wants them returned, 100%. Is there anyone left in Congress with a brain? This is no longer just a democrat issue. The RINO’s are just as guilty.
Lgm has gotten himself in a snit because he thinks Michelle’s statement:
was a clear indication that she was calling him a Nazi. Narcissism must be contagious.
I wasn’t denigrating you. Believe me, if I was denigrating you, you would know it. What I said hit a nerve which is telling because you failed to answer anybody’s questions. Your statement was irrelevant, not fact-based, and a side track. Perhaps, you should ask Dodd, Frank, and Obummer why they so happily cozy up to business for big donations then demonize them in public?
Furthermore, when you favor breaking a legal contract for political expedience what does that say about you? How would you like it if your contract was broken and your employer decided that they would now take away not only your bonus (which is an incentive in many industries that are sales-based) that your 401k was suddenly to be taxed or even taken away for political expedience?
What the hell is your freakin’ problem? Really? That was your comparison not mine. It’s really too bad that your writing and reasoning skills are as bad as the moral equivalencies you practice on a daily basis to give you the comfort you so desperately need. You’re the one who’s turned his back on his Jewish heritage in favor of cozying up to every terrorist (freedom fighter) to make himself feel good.
I’m not a Mormom and not very religious and if you really were detail-oriented and not such a self-absorbed narcissist you’d realize that.
I haven’t forgotten Biden’s comment that within 6 months there would be the necessity to do something that we would all just have to trust them on. A crisis of some kind.
Sounds like you’re gonna be one of the first ones rounded up, brother.
That was his attempt at humor. LSD instead of LDS (Latter Day Saints). However, since he set himself up for the joke, it seemed rather lame.
lgm v emjem24
I don’t know about anyone else, but my money’s on emjem. You go girl[or boy?].
If breaking these retention payments was really the driving factor for Democrats, they would have been better served by keeping out of it. If AIG had gone into bankruptcy, they would have had more options in restructuring or voiding these payments.
lgm is turning a blind eye to the fact that the bailouts enabled this to happen. The government could have put in stipulations that bailout funds could not be used for retention payments, but they decided this was a bad idea. Perhaps they were protecting executives that donated to their campaigns. Perhaps they were afraid these executives would jump the sinking ship and leave AIG. It doesn’t matter. Chris Dodd specifically ensured that these retention payments were protected. Now they’re crying foul.
The government doesn’t have a plan here, folks. There’s no real leadership in any of this. Geithner can hear the bus coming.
The Democratic Congress knows this is a growing disaster, so they are doing what they do best: Look for a scapegoat, preferably someone that fits their class warfare agenda.
$165 million isn’t going to change the direction of this ship. Dodd knows it. Frank knows it. Geithner and Obama know it. It’s all about the scapegoat.
I actually think lgm is more of a True Liberal Lap Dog.
Or, um, that dog that keeps humping your leg when you go visit your auntie.
emjem24 said (#161):
… and not good with jokes. A Mormon is a member of the Church of LDS (latter day saints). A dyslexic Mormon might turn that into LSD.
Fannie and Freddie are about to give themselves bonuses. Will Frank be so eager to tax his boyfriend?
He’ll just IOU him for a future earmark.
It is stupid of Republicans to defend the bonuses. It is not stupid of them to point out the Democrats cynical dishonesty in all this, or to point out that what the Democrats now want to do is illegal.
The Democrats are the ones responsible here, and they have the audacity to scream with rage about their own actions?
Hahahahahahahahahaha!
I am mad as hell over the bonuses. However, I do not blame those who received them. I blame TIMMY and CHRIS DODD. Allowing this tax to pass will be a complete outrage. Via contractual obligations, and it doesn’t matter if you agree or disagree with it, they have already received the bonus. Now for the government to take it back through a tax seems UNAMERICAN!!! Talk about taxation without representation!
This Congress and this Administration are JOKES!
LGM – If ou are so eager to hear someone call you a nazi then:::
LGM, you are a nazi.
Feel better now??? Seriously. Get over yourself.
I’m a Mormon, and I find lgm offensive.
Not for his Mormon comment, but just his general idiocy and slobbering worship of Obama.
It was Salt not emjem that suggested LSD was your idea of a joke. Emjem definitely got under your skin didn’t she/he? I think I know what it’s about, you’re all cranky because even you can’t blame Bush for this.
Let me get this straight.
lgm defined ad hominem and then provided an example by suggesting emjem is on lsd?
lgm said:
Why is it liberals who think they are the only ones who are funny? Dude, you’re not that funny and it was a pretty lame joke given how you hate anybody who is religious.
Thanks again for not answering any of my questions and proving my point. You’re only interested in making stupid jokes about Mormons who you abhore.
I’m a she, flmom. I think Lgm has a problem with women in particular. If they don’t feed his ego, they’re to be ridiculed and accused of being unfunny.
That’s okay, Lgm is a whitless math teacher/professor who lives off the taxpayer while his deluded students go off into the “real world” solving social crises with “short cut math.”
I’m really misunderstood, ya know.
Ha. Yep. Although, in fairness he didn’t actually say he was opposed to ad hominem. He just defined it, perhaps to let us know what he was about to do. His long favored approach of the Ad Naseum Tu Quoque must have failed him today.
Of course, he’s also a comedian that blames his audience for not laughing.
jsr,
I think you’ll find out that the teleprompter is running things. Obaminator 3: Rise of the Machine.
As scary as it may seem, the teleprompter probably the smartest thing in the White House. And it is not subject to whimpering emotional duress as most liberals tend to be.
(At the risk of offending others here…)
I really don’t care.
[Background:]
As LDS, we were asked years ago to set apart Monday evenings each week for “Family Home Evening”, part of which (if there’s business that affects family members,) is a Family Council[sp?]. Not all members hold such. We do (maybe Dad & Mom/StepMom having 16 children had something to do with it [grin]…).
We’ve had that FC, and we’ve decided that we will — as a Family — go with Heavenly Father. If He wills that I and Dad and various brothers & brother-in-laws are scooped up, then so-be-it. It doesn’t matter. We are *Commanded by God* to follow all Lawful Laws. And so we will.
Change by following the Rule-of-Law, as long as there is a Rule-of-Law is required of all LDS members. If our Country wants to persecute us for that, well, remember Govenor Biggs of MO.
I hope this clarifies things about me & my family, for those wondering.
When did the liberal progressives in the United States Congress start thinking that enacting “ex post facto” laws were Constitutional?
I say, let’s all turn our heads the other way, then when these clowns pass this legislation, arrest them all and prosecute them. (Yeah…in my dreams!)
None of these elitists have consciences, nor shame…they have simply gotten too big for their breeches.
ex-LDS here.
I understand the LDS (dad was a stake councilor before going off the deep end)
nothing to do with nazis and lsd.
Not true. I think Aloha is the funniest poster here.
When they won.
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If anyone has any interest, Cal State Northridge (15) is up by 6 on Memphis (2) with 10 to go. Awesome game. Both teams just nailing 3 pointers.
And whenever they can get away with it.
Outraged
Beyond
Any
Measurable
Ability
Thank you. (beet red.)
Whoa, no TV here, Cal State could win?!
I’m the best lookin!
I just hope the people who are getting these bonuses taken away in taxes, and hopefully have their names and addresses made public are BIG DEMOCRATS….like many on wall street..
the young and the well off…the biggest obama supporters…and those who will be hurt the most!!
The quote has been attributed to several people including Jefferson but most people now think it is properly attributed to Ford (of all people). Check out the link here for details: http://www.bartleby.com/63/7/107.html and then look here to see why some doubt Jefferson would have said this, at least in these words: http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/65e75/government_big_enough_to_supply_everything_you.
Either way, Obambi definitely wants the government to be THAT big or bigger…
other than Michelle of course
Yeah, Michelle I am going to bet on Michelle for that superlative, right4life.
And poor AlohaGuy! Getting a “compliment” from Chappy is about the worst thing that can happen to a self-respecting conservative.
They may start with AIG, but they’ll be after everything that can conceivably be taxed pretty soon. Our national debt just passed $11 TRILLION. Add the unfunded debt and it is $56 TRILLION! And these geniuses in D.C. quibble over some bonuses. Idiots!
Any wonder Atlas Shrugged now #1?
#186:
Agreed!
I feel somewhat sheepish for not complimenting em myself…
In my defense, I’m working my way down the hall in manning, doing my sep. out-processing.
Getting down to the final couple of days! Yahhh!
That is, if Housing doesn’t push final inspection back again.(3rd time…)
On the upside, I collect my personal firearms from the Armoury today at 1545h, and (1 of my sons) Hel is driving them to where The Wife & I going to enjoy retirement.
Aaahhhh, boy: another Leatherneck who’s not renewed his military obligation… The Ranks will start to thin real soon now…
Oh! *Who* will morn the Heavenly Banner, once it has been sacrificed to the Adversary on Gadianton’s Pyre by his Master Mahan? *Who?* — 1921, Author Unknown
mike.musculus – Thank you for your service!
So, how IS retention going? And recruitment?
Don’t worry wareagle. I find you the most sultry.