Bastards: Vandals strike at Berkeley Marine recruiting center again

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 20, 2009 11:31 AM

It’s never over. Bush is out of office. Obama is moving to withdraw troops from Iraq. Last October, Code Pink gave up on its daily harangues against the Marines who staff a recruiting office in Berkeley after a counterinsurgency of pro-troops groups stood their ground.

But it’s never over.

Yesterday, thugs smashed the windows of the Marine recruiting office and defaced the Marine logo. The masked vandals caused an estimated $5,000 in damage. (You may recall that in 2007, Code Pink defaced the Marine recruiting office by pasting the misspelled word “Assasination” on the window.)

Bastards:

Police are looking for the vandals who damaged a Marine recruiting center in Berkeley that’s been the target of ongoing war protests.

The attack shortly before 9 p.m. Wednesday was caught of tape by a surveillance camera. About a half-dozen people wearing dark clothing with their faces covered are seen breaking windows and defacing the Marine Corps logo.

The property owner says they caused as much as $5,000 in damage.

Police have not made any arrests in the case, but say they’ve arrested a “person of interest” on an unrelated warrant.

The recruiting center has angered anti-war activists and some local residents, who say military recruiting is unwelcome in this liberal-leaning city. But the Marines have said they have no intention of moving out before their lease is up at the end of the year.

More from KCBS:

Police Sgt. Mary Kusmiss says it happened Wednesday just before 9 p.m.

Kusmiss says police received several calls from witnesses in the area that a group of 3 to 4 males were smashing the windows of the recruiting center.

“In the history of our experience at the recruiting center this is the most expensive damage ever committed there,” said Kusmiss.

She says although the office has been the target of several anti-war protests over the years, this is the first that’s totaled over $5,000 damage.

The suspects are facing felony vandalism charges.

Kusmiss says they don’t know for certain whether the vandalism was in response to today’s 6th anniversary of the Iraq War.

No, it’s no coincidence. IndyMedia extremists gloat about the vandalism:

At 9PM on March 18th, the eve of the 6th anniversary of the war in Iraq, a group of persons wearing masks smashed the windows and splattered red paint at the U.S. Marine Corps Recruiting Center in Berkeley, California.

The center has been the target of protests for the last 18 months, and stands as a symbol of U.S. militarism and imperialist wars. The act of property distruction stands alone as the embodyment of frustration of a people whos government does not listen to or care about them.

Police have not made any arrests but are reviewing the tape, said Sgt. Mary Kusmiss. A sledgehammer and a crowbar were found in a nearby garbage can nearby, and are being reviewing as evidence. After breaking windows and improving the Marine Corps logo at the center, the group wearing masks and dark clothing scattered in three different directions, police said.

As of the time of this posting, no one involved has been arrested. The act was easy. You and a few friends could have pulled it off any day.

NO MORE IMPERIALIST WARS!!!

NO MORE GOVERNMENT!!!

SMASH THE STATE!!!

And it is no coincidence that anti-war groups are gearing up for new protests tomorrow and a March on the Pentagon.

If you are in Washington, there will be a counter-protest by Freepers, Gathering of Eagles, and Eagles Up activists. Join the counterinsurgency here.

Please show your support of the troops who support you.

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  1. #654745
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am, tiredofit08 said:

    restart the draft and draft them 1st and send them to some deserted island outpost for their entire tour….otherwise let them flee to Canada and protest there….

  2. #654750
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:38 am, Misscheryl said:

    Berkley, Ca., pfffttt – and Odumbo goes to california to pander to these types.

  3. #654751
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:38 am, Peejz said:

    Release the name just as they want to do with the AIG bonus group!

  4. #654752
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:39 am, rike101 said:

    What’s the prison sentence for felony vandalism?

    Hint: It’s a rhetorical question.

  5. #654755
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Anybody care to guess what I’m thinking at this point in time and if I was in Berkley?

  6. #654756
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    Cowards. That’s all they are.

    My other thought is why not use something more than a glass window? Maybe the military can come up with something that’s socialist liberal anti-American coward proof.

  7. #654757
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Until I calm down, I won’t say much.

  8. #654758
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am, RhymesWithRight said:

    Just a little bit of treason from the Left.

    After all, didn’t they get the memo that dissent is no longer patriotic now that Barry Hussein is President?

  9. #654760
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:44 am, wighttrasch said:

    The recruiting center has angered anti-war activists and some local residents, who say military recruiting is unwelcome in this liberal-leaning city.

    We will tolerate everything except our intolerance!! Wait. We will not tolerate your intolerance! Dude, did that make more sense? Let’s go blaze a spliff.

  10. #654762
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:44 am, rplatt said:

    No problem . . . Obama will invite the scum to the White House to party.

  11. #654765
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:45 am, cheapseat said:

    the left has preached hatred for the military since vietnam, when their fathers and patron saints were too gutless to serve this country. john kerry is the patron saint of the left because he actually went to vietnam before he was against it. his record while in country, a few months, shows a record of medal seeking and quick exit strategy, but at least he went. the a-holes who went to canada, and then came back under that other democrat failure for a president carter’s pardon, and the ones who were too important to go, like bill, have always blamed the military for showing them just what worthless cowards and americans they are. unfit to serve, unfit to serve as anything. a rollcall of our gubmint officials will show a preponderance of these people, as will a rollcall of our illustrious msm.

  12. #654766
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am, chapoutier said:

    Anybody care to guess what I’m thinking at this point in time and if I was in Berkley?

    That you just HAVE to get yourself over to Chez Panisse, the birthplace of California cuisine, for dinner?

    No?

    Close?

  13. #654767
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:47 am, wighttrasch said:

    Maybe the military can come up with something that’s socialist liberal anti-American coward proof.

    A huge magnetic force field that generates LASER beams & scorpions that shoot out at the speed of light, activated by body odor and hirsuteness.

  14. #654768
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

    Chap , uhhh more like polishing my brass and loading magazines( HE type)

  15. #654770
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:49 am, cicerokid said:

    Freedom to fornicate during folsom fair: good.

    Armed forces defending that freedom: bad.

    Liberal logic: none to be found

  16. #654772
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:49 am, Mookie said:

    I hate hippies.

  17. #654774
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am, chapoutier said:

    Chap , uhhh more like polishing my brass and loading magazines( HE type)

    After you are done with that, you could stop in to the Jewish Music Festival which starts tomorrow. Then Chez Panisse.

  18. #654775
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am, wighttrasch said:

    Reminds me of a line from one of my favorite movies….

    Under what rule of war did you execute them?

    We caught them, and we shot them under Rule 303!

  19. #654778
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:54 am, chapoutier said:

    I hate hippies.

    You can’t just hate all hippies. Think of all the wonderful contributions to the arts and sciences they have made.

    Okay…maybe not the sciences.

  20. #654780
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:55 am, Flyoverman said:

    It is Spring; the counter culture idiots always appear in the Spring. It’s like watching the geese fly North.

    They are all future White House staff members or reporters spending their lives “saving the planet.”

  21. #654782
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am, wighttrasch said:

    Think of all the wonderful contributions to the arts and sciences they have made.

    Because who else would have had the courage to introduce us to paisley and stripes together?!

  22. #654786
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am, Ralph Gizzip said:

    NO MORE IMPERIALIST WARS!!!

    NO MORE GOVERNMENT!!!

    SMASH THE STATE!!!

    If they feel this way they must also renounce all the protections offered by the State.

    In that case, it’s OPEN SEASON on Moonbats! (P.S.: there’s no “bag limit”)

  23. #654787
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am, cicerokid said:

    stripes + LSD = paisley

  24. #654794
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, feebiebabe said:

    Chap –

    That you just HAVE to get yourself over to Chez Panisse, the birthplace of California cuisine, for dinner?

    No?

    Close?

    That’s on upper Shattuck.

    And what does that have to do with vandalism?

    ****

    I would be really shocked if the vandals were caught and taken to task…after all, this is Berkeley.

  25. #654797
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm, feebiebabe said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:49 am, Mookie said:
    I hate hippies.

    Most of the “true hippies” are libritarians now.

    Berkeley hippies are an entirely different flavor all together, they are entitled, spoiled, uneducated and brain dead.

  26. #654805
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm, md1964 said:

    America must be the only IMPERIALIST country in History, that sends it military somewhere in the world, and never takes ownership of said country.

    Either we are the Worst at Expanding our Empire…or maybe, JUST Maybe we are NOT Imperialist. I choose the later.

  27. #654809
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:18 pm, dan708 said:

    One wonders if the citizens of Berkeley came from a crash-landed UFO. They certainly don’t appear to be from the same country that had to fight the British TWICE to win its freedom.

  28. #654811
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    America must be the only IMPERIALIST country in History, that sends it military somewhere in the world, and never takes ownership of said country.

    Either we are the Worst at Expanding our Empire…or maybe, JUST Maybe we are NOT Imperialist. I choose the later.

    Impeeriulzhum.

    Ur doin it rong.

  29. #654812
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:20 pm, Send_Me said:

    I wonder if the recruiters there are authorized hazardous duty pay.

    Police are looking for the vandals who damaged a Marine recruiting center in Berkeley that’s been the target of ongoing war protests.

    Sure they are…

  30. #654813
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:20 pm, JohnnyD said:

    The act of property distruction stands alone as the embodyment of frustration of a people whos government does not listen to or care about them.

    I guess they don’t have any Hope of Change!

  31. #654817
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    restart the draft and draft them 1st and send them to some deserted island outpost for their entire tour….otherwise let them flee to Canada and protest there….

    No, we do not want Obama to restart the draft. He’ll use it to punish people who got big bonuses.

  32. #654818
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Who, oh who! would show the world that patchouli isn’t just for Tibetan monks?!

    c’mon, man. open your mindz.

  33. #654819
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, MarcoPolo said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm, md1964 said:

    America must be the only IMPERIALIST country in History, that sends it military somewhere in the world, and never takes ownership of said country.

    Puppet governments count.

  34. #654822
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:24 pm, beachmom said:

    Bezerkley has certainly earned it’s nickname.
    They would be the first to cry and whine like 2 yr. olds if anything happened to them and the military was there in less than 30 seconds.

  35. #654824
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm, WarTip said:

    Well, it does seem as if one arrest was made. That in itself is something. Maybe it was because the person who owns the building lives there locally? Who knows and who cares but what will be interesting … is to see if they are held to account for their actions. That in itself would be a refreshing change of pace at this point in time.

    I was in the Army but I would not insult the Marines by allowing these people into basic training … although a few weeks with a couple of motivated drill sergeants may not be a bad idea ;)

  36. #654826
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, hatfield said:

    Cowards. They don’t have the stones to go face to face with a real man. They hide their faces and go under the cover of darkness.

    How hard will the Berkely cops try

  37. #654827
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, granite said:

    …frustration of a people whos[sic] government does not listen to or care about them.

    These destructive, cowardly, hostile clowns have proven by their actions that they likely have nothing to say that would be worth listening to; and that they should be cared about even less than they presently are.

  38. #654829
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, stillontheroad said:

    I would love to take these thugs and a nice cross section of the Liberal malcontents and drop them off say, 50 miles east of Kandahar.

  39. #654830
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, cicerokid said:

    Actually, MarcoPolo, we still own Puerto Rico…but gave The Philippines up after 1946, which we owned from 1898.

    But your point is well-taken. We aren’t much of expansionists.

  40. #654831
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pm, JohnnyD said:

    the group wearing masks and dark clothing scattered in three different directions

    ….Just like roaches when the light come on.

    Squish!!!

  41. #654833
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm, ex-expat said:

    Anyone notice yesterday that COde Pink, was present at the AIG hearings and had to be told, as a teacher would have to sya to a group of unruly 8-year olds, to be quiet and be still.

  42. #654848
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    I was an AF Recruiter co-located right next door to the Marine Recruiting Station. When these gutless criminals would come around, as soon as one of those Marines would confront them, they’d run away like the girlie-men they were. The majority of these scummuy people know in their hearts they could never qualify or be real Marines. I was protected on more than one occasion by Marines who saw I was being threatened by an unqualified applicant. God, I just love those Marines for so many reasons…SemperFi, my heroes.

  43. #654864
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pm, maddmatt3131 said:

    I remember last football season how the
    University of Berkeley was trying portray it’s love for the Marines.
    Made me want to PUKE.
    I guess they are back to their old antics again.

  44. #654872
    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, rooster said:

    And not one Piss-Ant currently stealing our tax $$’s in Berkeley will come forward to report these turds.
    BOYCOTT CAILIFORIA

  45. #654882
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pm, madmonkphotog said:

    Let’s be serious here.

    Are Berkley police really looking for anyone? I mean, Berkely is like SF, and if SFPD stands by while gays are having sex in the streets, should we believe they care to catch, much less, punish this scum?

  46. #654884
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:15 pm, no2pcbs1 said:

    they have to do it at night with their faces covered. courage is an unknown word to these gutless cowards. they are little more than the stains kids leave on their underwear when they don’t wipe.

  47. #654892
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:20 pm, jamesgreenidge said:

    Put a sign on the station storefront:

    “Be sure to spot or snapshot the cowards who desecrate this station then run while those whom this booth is dedicated to proudly stand their ground and fight for their beliefs!”

    James Greenidge
    Queens, New York

  48. #654894
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pm, huggybear said:

    And it is no coincidence that anti-war groups are gearing up for new protests tomorrow and a March on the Pentagon.

    Well, now you can stop worrying there won’t be any more anti-war protests now that Obama is president. Your culture war resumes as scheduled.

  49. #654898
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, happyscrapper said:

    As I have said before, and so have a lot of others, if they succeed in decimating our military, I pray someday those bozos need their protection and may finally understand how precious these brave souls are!

  50. #654902
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    If you are in Washington, there will be a counter-protest by Freepers, Gathering of Eagles, and Eagles Up activists.

    I’ll be there with the GoE in spirit. Travel is too hard right now.

  51. #654907
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pm, no2pcbs1 said:

    cowards are always looking for someone to give up to, san francisco is full of garbage like that. their most prized possessions are a white flag and a sign that they readily present. it simply states, i give up, be gentle, i’m yours.

  52. #654910
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:33 pm, Laree said:

    Check Out my week in Review it is all about Special Interest Groups.

    http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/03/tgif-circus-life-week-in-review-flea.html

    Including
    The Obama Administration decide to not to go ahead with their plans for Wounded Veterans Medical needs. President Obama will not pursue a proposal that would have allowed the VA to charge private insurance companies for the treatment of veterans with service- and war-related injuries, read more here. That was a REAL FLEA BRAINED IDEA.

  53. #654918
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:42 pm, greenfairie said:

    The skinny pale loser wimps who did this had to do so under cover of the night because even a five foot tall female Marine could kick their heinies.

    Radical activism is what the devil gives ugly, unkempt, unemployable idle hands to do.

  54. #654919
    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:43 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Ralph Gizzip done said he did:
    In that case, it’s OPEN SEASON on Moonbats! (P.S.: there’s no “bag limit”)

    California Dreamin’
    Maximum effective range
    Pay Back is a b!tch
    My turn
    Been waiting since 1968
    Soft point, hollow point, lead roundnose, flatnose
    Full metal jacket
    No “bag limit”
    Taxidermy

    You are my Hero Ralph Gizzip :-) Hippie hating is an art form.

    Good Bye America-you will be missed.


    Keep the change-I’ll keep my guns

  55. #654941
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, imjustsaying said:

    “…and the ones who were too important to go, like bill, have always blamed the military for showing them just what worthless cowards and americans they are. unfit to serve, unfit to serve as anything. a rollcall of our gubmint officials will show a preponderance of these people, as will a rollcall of our illustrious msm.”

    A few more people that could have gone to Viet Nam but didn’t: George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Rush Limbaugh

  56. #654944
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, imjustsaying said:

    Dick Cheney? You’re kidding, right? And George W. Bush was a fighter pilot. Where do you get your information…huffington? As for Rush Limbaugh, there are other ways to serve, and he is one of the most important patriots we have today!

  57. #654953
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    And George W. Bush was a fighter pilot.

    Come on happy…lets be honest…Bush was about as much a fighter pilot as Tom Cruise was after filming Top Gun.

  58. #654959
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pm, imjustsaying said:

    There’s a new thing out there called “Google” look it up. Cheney received 5 deferments, W’s daddy got him a sweet deal in the Texas National Guard and Limbaugh got a deferment because he had a little cyst on his butt.

  59. #654964
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:18 pm, prendad said:

    The recruiting center has angered anti-war activists and some local residents, who say military recruiting is unwelcome in this liberal-leaning city.

    “Liberal-leaning city”. More like the central nest of Liberalism, Left Coast, USA. Like thieves and cowards they strike at night, wearing masks just like terrorists. In a way I am glad. I would hate to see our Marines standing in front of a California judge having to explain a stack of dead idiots who would be stupid enough to attack them while the place was open and manned.

  60. #654965
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, chapoutier said:
    And George W. Bush was a fighter pilot.
    Come on happy…lets be honest…Bush was about as much a fighter pilot as Tom Cruise was after filming Top Gun.

    He served his country in the military. And being a pilot is no easy task. By the way, who are you to judge how someone served? You weren’t in the cockpit with him, were you? Then you can’t really judge, can you?

  61. #654974
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pm, Bogtrotter said:

    So, a protest is planned for the pentegon. Funny, you would think the rally point, for most effective publicity, would be the White House. Oh, I forgot, Obama is in there now.

  62. #654983
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, wighttrasch said:

    he had a little cyst on his butt.

    Stop calling our leftists ‘cysts’.

  63. #654984
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am, cicerokid said:

    stripes + LSD shrooms = paisley

  64. #654989
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pm, jwm said:

    The ironic thing for me is that students at UC are more conservative than the residents.I know some current students and recent graduates and they’ve been united in their disdain for the local hippies and tree huggers. Take heart, the graduates will be fine and will show you they are too smart to swallow the kool aid.

  65. #654996
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, huggybear said:

    More like the central nest of Liberalism, Left Coast, USA.

    Perhaps this was the case 40 years ago. However the Berkeley of the conservative imagination bears only a vague resemblance to real-life Berkeley. The city definitely has a liberal streak, but it’s part college town, part student ghetto, part frou-frou suburb, part working class suburb, etc. When all you hear about is Code Pink and hippies in trees and anti-war vandalism, I understand how you get the idea that it’s some bastion for fifht-column radicalism. But it’s actually a pretty typical suburban college town.

    That you just HAVE to get yourself over to Chez Panisse

    I just ate there for the first time a couple months ago. Frankly I was more impressed with the decor than the food.

  66. #655005
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    Bush was about as much a fighter pilot as Tom Cruise was after filming Top Gun

    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Come on happy…lets be honest…Chaps as much of a lawyer as Tom Cruise was after filming A Few Good Men

    :grin:

  67. #655015
    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm, chapoutier said:

    Come on happy…lets be honest…Chaps as much of a lawyer as Tom Cruise was after filming A Few Good Men

    I’m not disputing that.

  68. #655023
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pm, RabbidSquirrel said:

    O/T

    Im bored… Spring Break starts in 2 1/2 hours and then Im off to the ski resort for the weekend and most of next week. Im going to do my best to relive ‘The Adventures of Sonny Bono and Natasha Richardson’

    I think I’ll head over to the hot tub for a while to relax first.

    Fortunately congress hasnt discovered that I get a bonus too.

  69. #655026
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, corkie said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    Come on happy…lets be honest…Bush was about as much a fighter pilot as Tom Cruise was after filming Top Gun.

    So the fact that Bush earned his wings by finishing flight school AND qualified “in type” means nothing?

  70. #655027
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm, zeroangel said:

    Folks like this really piss me off.

    It is a direct consequence of their ignorance and loathing of all things military tied in with their complete misconceptions about what and who service members are.

    It is really quite sad and pitiful.

    If our government and service members were really like the caricatures these vandals imagine then these same vandals wouldn’t be drawing breath for long.

    The facts are quite the opposite.

  71. #655032
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, zeroangel said:

    Ref Bush, let’s face it, is anyone disputing that he was purposely trying to avoid serving in Vietnam?

    No matter how good a pilot he was does not change that fact.

    In my mind it is along the same lines as guys that are currently on thier 8th tour in Korea. You folks follow me?

  72. #655034
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    Removing my comments?
    by Elm Creek Smith
    Friday Mar 20th, 2009 11:56 AM
    Gee, my first response is already missing from the comment list. Editing my “Free Speech,” cowards?

    ECS
    CPT, AR
    US Army (Ret.)

    The cowards at IndyMedia don’t like “free speech.”

    Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ECS

  73. #655039
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm, chapoutier said:

    So the fact that Bush earned his wings by finishing flight school AND qualified “in type” means nothing?

    Okay…you know the Tom Cruise thing was a bit of hyperbole, but do we have any actual fighter pilots on here? Would you consider Bush one of yours?

    I will defer to their collective judgment.

  74. #655062
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm, atheling said:

    Notice how Chapoutier tries to derail the topic by bringing up irrelevant crap?

    Anything to say about your libturd friends who vandalized the recruiting station, Chapoutier?

    *crickets chirping*

  75. #655068
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pm, chapoutier said:

    Anything to say about your libturd friends who vandalized the recruiting station, Chapoutier?

    I fully 100% support these fine patriots in their noble, Christ-like, quest to bring the evil Marine Corps recruiting station to its knees. I wish to invite each of them to my apartment for a home cooked meal of arugula salad, followed by Wagyu tenderloin. We can then retire to the parlour wherein we will sip cognac, play Guitar Hero and talk about what an insufferable twit atheling is.

    Please note I was totally serious about one thing above. I will leave it to you to determine what that is.

  76. #655075
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, chapoutier said:

    And George W. Bush was a fighter pilot.

    Come on happy…lets be honest…Bush was about as much a fighter pilot as Tom Cruise was after filming Top Gun.

    President George Bush has logged over 300 mishap free hours in the F-102, one of the most difficult and dangerous aircraft to fly in the US Inventory. The lifetime Class A accident rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, much higher than the average for today’s combat aircraft.

    He went and hid in a unit, one which had active service members actually in Vietnam, one where the death rate in training and peacetime from accident alone was damn nearly the same as active service in Vietnam for all troops.

    Chap – sometimes you say some of the most ridiculous things and only end up embarrassing yourself.

    You need to let go of your mindless rage and accept that George W Bush had many many faults, but his two terms in office were far less damaging to this country than Obama’s two months.

  77. #655083
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, chapoutier said:

    No doubt Bush was a pilot. I wonder whether he can be considered a fighter pilot. I don’t think the number of hours or the fact that the plane he flew apparently sucked is the determining factor in that. But again, I would defer to any fighter pilots out there.

    And whatever one feels about his service, it has zero to do with his performance as a president, I would agree.

  78. #655088
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm, zeroangel said:

    PKAmmoTroop et al.:

    He went and hid in a unit, one which had active service members actually in Vietnam, one where the death rate in training and peacetime from accident alone was damn nearly the same as active service in Vietnam for all troops.

    This may indeed be true, but I sincerely doubt it was at the forefront of Bush’s mind at the time. I think I can be reasonably assured his state of mind was that he did not want to serve in Vietnam (for whatever reason) and purposely followed a course of action to avoid service there. Service that men better than himself ended up doing in his stead.

    Now, I really liked the former President. I didn’t always agree with him but I thought he was a man of principle and was genuinely trying to do what he thought was right for the country. This in contrast to the Clintons who seem to do what is genuinely right for the Clintons.

    However, despite this, I can’t bring myself to say that GW was a serviceman of the same caliber of any that actually went to theatre. As I said before, I put him in the same boat with folks constantly signing up for tours of duty in Korea in effort to avoid the Mid East; that is, they are admirable for their service, but by no means are they to be held in very high regard in contrast to other service members, indeed they aren’t to be admired much more than your local policeman or perhaps even DoD employee.

  79. #655093
    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:41 pm, ex-expat said:

    F-102, one of the most difficult and dangerous aircraft to fly in the US Inventory.

    Why was that? Aircraft design, like the initial B-20 Maruader?

  80. #655147
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, J S Ragman said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, chapoutier said:
    No doubt Bush was a pilot. I wonder whether he can be considered a fighter pilot.

    He was until he quit drinking.

  81. #655149
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm, JohnS said:

    Yet one more reason I NEVER spend a dime in this city even though I live only a few miles away. If a place of interest (a restaurant, place for my kids to play, a movie theatre) is located in Berkeley, my wife and I find some place else. I even tell my 3 year old daughter that Berkeley hates America and she should never go there for the rest of her life!!

  82. #655155
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pm, chapoutier said:

    He was until he quit drinking.

    Heh.

  83. #655163
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:29 pm, J S Ragman said:

    zeroangel

    You were saying?

    The 2nd Infantry Division is a formation of the United States Army. Its current primary mission is the defense of South Korea in the initial stages of an invasion from North Korea until other American units can arrive. There are approximately 17,000 soldiers in the 2nd Infantry Division.

    The 2nd Infantry Division, unlike any other division in the Army, is made up partially of Korean soldiers, called KATUSAs (Korean Augmentation to US Army). This program began in 1950 by agreement with South Korean President Syngman Rhee. Some 27,000 KATUSAs served with the US forces at the end of the Korean War. As of May 2006, approximately 1,100 KATUSA Soldiers serve with 2ID.

    On 17th February 2009, president Obama ordered 4,000 soldiers that are part of 5th Stryker Brigade Combat Team to Afghanistan, along with 8,000 Marines.

  84. #655182
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pm, zeroangel said:

    J S Ragman:

    I was saying exactly what I said. I personally served in both Iraq and spent some time in Korea. I still have some friends / contacts / extended family in Korea and have traveled there for my current job in a civilian capacity. I know quite a bit about the country and US military presence there, thank you very much.

    Despite a portion of 2ID (a combat unit) being sent to Iraq, there are many more soldiers that purposely sign up for additional tours with 8th Army knowing full well that they are safe from any deployment. This is a fact and I have heard more than one soldier jokingly boast about “staying out of the sandbox.”

    So, I was saying exactly what I said, a plain and simple fact. I would appreciate if you admit that you were not aware of this circumstance regarding Korea.

  85. #655196
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pm, zeroangel said:

    PS. To be completely accurate, the structure of US forces in Korea has changed over time and indeed still has the potential to change.

    As such, I should be saying “other units in Korea besides 2ID” instead of just “8th Army.”

  86. #655199
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:41 pm, ex-expat said:

    F-102, one of the most difficult and dangerous aircraft to fly in the US Inventory.

    Why was that? Aircraft design, like the initial B-20 Maruader?

    Not to pick nits, but the aircraft was the Martin B-26 Marauder. My dad built them before his enlistment during WW2. The early versions had short wings that made wing loadings higher than many fighters of the period. It was the difference between earlier bombers and the very fast B-26 that caused much of the problem with its reputation: “Baltimore Whore” – big engines and no visible means of support, “One a day in Tampa Bay” – not maintaining enough speed on takeoff or landing and yanking back on the wheel at almost any time (accelerated stall).

    The F-102 was the very first supersonic delta-winged aircraft in the USAF inventory. You could get into trouble because you could fly it deep into the envelope with perfect control until it became uncontrollable and then you were done unless you had LOTS of altitude. It was marginal on power at high angles of attack. The later F-106 didn’t have that problem and could power out of many situations where the “ought-deuce” would buy the farm.

    ECS

  87. #655201
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm, J S Ragman said:

    zeroangel

    I have also spent a tour in Korea, with my sister service, the US Army. And although your statements may be accurate, you give the impression that everyone goes to Korea to stay out of harms way.

    I am pointing out that there most certainly are units of the 2ID, and others from Korea, who have deployed and are going to deploy to the middle east. A fact that you seemed to ignore.

    And unless the Army has a much more accommodating bunch of detailers than the Navy did, I wouldn’t expect any active duty person to be able to completely control their own duty station destiny forever.

    So I guess, because you have heard one soldier boast about staying out of the sandbox, he must also control the deployment plans for the whole 8th Army?

  88. #655205
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 3:35 pm, chapoutier said:
    No doubt Bush was a pilot. I wonder whether he can be considered a fighter pilot. I don’t think the number of hours or the fact that the plane he flew apparently sucked is the determining factor in that. But again, I would defer to any fighter pilots out there.

    I’m not a fighter pilot, nor was I ever. I am a pilot with time in high performance a/c and an Army retiree. GWB was indeed a fighter pilot and volunteered for the program where F-102 interceptors were deployed to Vietnam. They were never used since the NVAF never attempted to violate RVN airspace, but they were there. GWB was not selected for the very small program. IMHO anyone flying any of the Century-series fighters is a “real” fighter pilot.

    Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST!!!!!!

    BTW, Shinseki sucks.

    ECS

  89. #655216
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, zeroangel said:

    J S Ragman:

    My statements are accurate and I had no intention of giving the wrong impression, I forget that not everyone here is ex-military and familiar with what I am talking about. Thank you for clearing things up for us, I submit that perhaps sarcasm wasn’t in order since I am not looking to argue this minor point.

    In any case, this is not relevant to my point regarding GW. I was looking for a modern day equivalent to compare GW’s actions in Vietnam to. “Going guard” is not a good comparison because the guard often gets deployed.

    I understand your issue with the comparison. Perhaps you have a better one?

    It’s not one soldier either. There are many soldiers that purposely sign up for repeated tours in Korea to knowingly and willfully avoid the mid East. It is in this sense that I brought it up pertaining to the actions of GW in Vietnam. It is in this sense that these soldiers and GW are similar.

  90. #655217
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, JustAThought said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pm, hatfield said:
    Cowards. They don’t have the stones to go face to face with a real man. They hide their faces and go under the cover of darkness.

    And

    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:42 pm, greenfairie said:
    The skinny pale loser wimps who did this had to do so under cover of the night because even a five foot tall female Marine could kick their heinies.

    Pretty much what I said on the comment I posted to the commie rag, Indy Media, that published the story.

  91. #655218
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    Well, folks. All my comments on the IndyMedia link have been deleted. I guess anarchists don’t believe in free speech.

    Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST!!!!

    ECS

  92. #655219
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am, ThatSamIAm said:

    Maybe the military can come up with something that’s socialist liberal anti-American coward proof.

    The premises are leased commercial space. The landlord apparently didn’t think that a tenant would need Lexan windows.

    Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. Anarchists are cowardly sissies. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST!!!!!!!

    ECS

  93. #655226
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pm, zeroangel said:

    J S Ragman:

    To clarify: it is the intent and the successful implementation of this intent that is important.

    I think it’s clear the GW intended and was successful in avoiding service in Vietnam.

    Despite liking the man in general as a President, it is not his military service that I hold in high regard. Sure, being a pilot is cool and it’s dangerous. But so is being a policeman, a fireman, a court baliff, a teacher in an inner-city school, a racecar driver, you get the idea.

  94. #655234
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm, wighttrasch said:

    The landlord apparently didn’t think that a tenant would need Lexan windows.

    ECS–I still think the use of scorpions (I mentioned earlier in this thread) is a good idea. I have heard hippies don’t like scorpions.

  95. #655235
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pm, J S Ragman said:

    zeroangel

    I have to agree with you that his military service is not distinguished. However, I was under the impression that he did volunteer for Vietnam service, but there were no openings.

    Regarding the motives of the average groundpounder in Korea, your guess is as good as mine. Similar to your scenario, we used to have enlisted sailors volunteer to be assigned to overseas homeported ships so that they would not have to make an overseas deployment (i.e. 7-12 month cruise, back in the day). In essence, they were avoiding deployments by being permanently deployed. Go figure.

    But I do not think it made them less
    valuable servicemembers.

  96. #655236
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm, lgm said:

    Resistance to criminal government — let’s have a tea party!

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