Why can’t Obama tell a good joke?

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 20, 2009 01:41 PM

Why are the president’s “jokes” (scripted or not) so lame?

The answer is a three-letter-word (or is that four letters, Joe?): E-G-O.

Barack Obama is constitutionally incapable of self-deprecation, because self-deprecation requires sincere humility. And the Obamessiah — Lincoln/JFK/FDR/Reagan/Soul-Fixer/World Savior/Mighty Mouse rolled into one — doesn’t seem to have a molecule of sincere humility in his body. To laugh at yourself, you have to really be laughing at yourself, not engaging in coy self-aggrandizement.

J.P. Freire illuminated the root of Obama’s humor-challengedness last fall: Good read.

Freire breaks Obama’s “jokes” into two categories: “I’m Great” and “I’m Only Pretty Great.” Indeed, if you watched Leno last night (or read through the entire transcript here), you’ll see that pretty much all of Obama’s attempts at humor fall into those categories. Look at the opening “jokes” about the Secret Service and related entourage following him:

MR. LENO: …Now, you know, it’s funny, because the last time you were here, you walked in, you had your jacket on your finger and you had the two guys with you.

MR. OBAMA: Right.

MR. LENO: And that was it. Big change?

MR. OBAMA: You know, I was mentioning earlier, we landed yesterday and then –- this is an example of life in the bubble. We landed at the fairground down in Costa Mesa. And I see the fairground where I think we’re having this town hall and I said, well, why don’t we walk over there? Secret Service says, no, sir, it’s 750 yards. (Laughter.)

So I was trying to calculate –- well, that’s like a five-minute walk? “Yes, sir. Sorry.” (Laughter.)

Now, they let me walk on the way back. But, you know, the doctor is behind me with the defibrillator. (Laughter.)

MR. LENO: Wow.

MR. OBAMA: Michelle jokes about how our motorcade –- you know, we’ve got the ambulance and then the caboose and then the dog sled. (Laughter.) The submarine. (Laughter.) There’s a whole bunch of stuff going on.

Or this exchange about the privilege of flying on Air Force One:

MR. LENO: Let me ask you some personal things. Now, how cool is it to fly in Air Force One? (Laughter.)

MR. OBAMA: Now, let me tell you, I personally think it’s pretty cool. Especially because they give you, you know, the jacket with the seal on it. (Laughter.)

A more, well, presidential president might have offered thanks and praise to the men and women who protect him, ensure his safe transport, and staff his plush residence/playground, instead of trying to score a few, cheap, lame late-night laughs — one of which backfired miserably.

But then again, a more presidential president with a full plate of domestic and foreign policy troubles on his hands in only the second month of his tenure wouldn’t have been sitting on Jay Leno’s set in the first place.

DISTRACTION!

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Commenter Flyoverman: “You don’t have to tell a joke when you are one.”

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You know who knows how to bring the funny? Mark Steyn: ROFL!

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Flashback: Remembering the master of presidential humor, Ronald Reagan.

And another remembrance from Doug Gamble:

Typical of his inner confidence and easy-going manner, Reagan loved jokes that poked fun at himself. But he also realized that a side benefit of self-deprecating humor, especially as he employed it, is its effectiveness in disarming criticism. When 1984 Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale accused Reagan of “government by amnesia,” the president countered with, “I thought that remark accusing me of having amnesia was uncalled for. I just wish I could remember who said it.”

When it became known that he would occasionally nod off at the White House during the day, he said, “I’ve given my aides instructions that if trouble breaks out in any of the world’s hot spots they should wake me up immediately — even if I’m in a Cabinet meeting.” And, “Things have been awfully busy at the White House lately. I’ve really been burning the mid-day oil.”

He loved joking about his advanced age, once telling the White House Correspondents Dinner, “I’ve been around so long, I can remember when a hot story broke and reporters would run in yelling ‘Stop the chisels.’” And, “It was easier to run for president when I was a boy. Back then there were only 13 states.”

But he also used humor to engage the opponent head-on, for example when he told an audience, “The Democrats have a knee-jerk addition to tax increases, and every time their knee jerks, you get kicked.” And, “I’ve been losing weight on something called the Democrat Diet. The way it works is you only eat dessert on days when our opponents say something good about America.”

Cultural references were often the basis of Reagan’s humor, as when he said, “The other side’s promises are a little like Minnie Pearl’s hat. They both have big price tags hanging from them.” And, “If my opponent’s campaign were a TV show it would be ‘Let’s Make a Deal.’ You’d get to trade your prosperity for the surprise behind the curtain.”

Such lines appealed to Reagan’s instincts to go with humor that not only elicited a laugh from the audience, but also scored political points.

And unlike many politicians, he could get away with delivering a partisan line without sounding mean, thanks to his twinkle-in-the-eye, tongue-in-cheek delivery. Although he employed his acting and communications skills throughout a speech, they really shot to the fore when he was delivering humor. His timing and “feel” for a joke, whether a one-liner or long form, made him a humor writer’s dream come true.

It was old-friend humor that came to the rescue, of course, when he was on the ropes after a poor showing against Mondale in their first debate in 1984. With the media speculating whether Reagan’s age had made him unfit for office, he put the issue to bed by unleashing, “I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience.” Mondale could only laugh along with the audience.

For all the hours of coaching and study that go into presidential debates, Reagan essentially won two of the three he participated in with humor — the one noted above and the debate with President Jimmy Carter with the simple but devastating line, “There you go again.”

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  1. #101
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:34 pm, TXGator said:

    Thanks, John,
    Perfect explanation. I’m a bit slow, maybe a little “special olympics”, but I now understand ‘irony’. :)

  2. #102
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, feebiebabe said:

    See? “Irony.” Now try using it in a sentence.

    Like: Obama’s big government solution to the government created economic crisis …by giving the government more money!

    HA! This is fun. Next? :roll:

  3. #103
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:35 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    and yet you support the most pro-abortion president in history…are you for gay ‘marriage’ too?

    I am pro-life, although I respect the opinion of those on my side who feel that government legislating choices that women make with their bodies is an absurd intrusion into people’s lives by big brother (something you would think “conservatives” would understand).

    And I do not favor disciminitation in our laws, so yes, that means I don’t think the government should be able to decide who can and cannot enjoy the privilege of getting married. More of an equality thing than a Christian thing.

    cognitive dissonance…

    Said by the person whose “Christian” party is also the party of war, torture, execution and letting the poor die in gutters.

  4. #104
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pm, feebiebabe said:

    Said by the person whose “Christian” party is also the party of war, torture, execution and letting the poor die in gutters.

    :lol:

    Yer joking, right?

  5. #105
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    …when he explained the fact that Democrats have a mandate for change, whereas Republicans do not, because he won the election, …

    Except I believe he campaigned on “reaching across the aisle” and “working with the Republicans”.

    BO has done the political equivalent of Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown. He made a show of ‘listening’ to the Republicans then at the meeting dismissed them and their ideas– as if he ever had any intention of taking conservative ideas seriously.

  6. #106
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pm, huggybear said:

    Hey look! huggybear’s trying to teach us using logic. How’s that for irony?

    Would that work?

    Hmmm, tough call, but I’m going to have to say no. Trying to use logic on this blog is an excercise in futility, not irony.

    Like: Obama’s big government solution to the government created economic crisis …by giving the government more money!

    See! She gets it. You’ve made me so proud.

  7. #107
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, wighttrasch said:

    “Christian” party is also the party of war, torture, execution and letting the poor die in gutters.

    No–that would be Islam. And if you’re also a woman, it’s much, much worse.

  8. #108
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm, right4life said:

    government legislating choices that women make with their bodies is an absurd intrusion into people’s lives by big brother (something you would think “conservatives” would understand).

    sorry, killing babies is something no christian could ‘understand’. what do you think Jesus would say about cutting a hole in a babies head and sucking out the brains??

    aren’t you the person who wants government to INTRUDE into children’s lives by giving them healthcare???

    And I do not favor disciminitation in our laws, so yes, that means I don’t think the government should be able to decide who can and cannot enjoy the privilege of getting married. More of an equality thing than a Christian thing.

    well its easy to see who is ‘lord’ in your life…

    Said by the person whose “Christian” party is also the party of war, torture, execution and letting the poor die in gutters.

    from the person who enjoys the slaughter of millions of babies…how many will it take to satisfy your bloodthirsty dark lord???

  9. #109
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    RSS zero did not campaign as the most socialist president ever, he campaigned as a centrist.

    Obama is hardly more big government than FDR (also the most popular president of the last century).

    Specifically, how is any part of Obama’s agenda different from what he campaigned on? What is the stimulus but an aggregation of his campaign promises (which Americans by and larged said YES to by voting for him)? Money for green jobs, check. Money for education, check. Money for improving the electrical grid, check.

  10. #110
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    I respect the opinion of those on my side who feel that government legislating choices that women make with their someone else’s bodies…

    fixed it.

    In abortion the casualty rate is always the same: One killed, one wounded.

  11. #111
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pm, wighttrasch said:

    oh, and by the way–I didn’t know ‘Christians’ had a party!

  12. #112
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pm, feebiebabe said:
  13. #113
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:48 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    aren’t you the person who wants government to INTRUDE into children’s lives by giving them healthcare???

    DING DING DING DING!!!

    You win the award for the most clueless, heartless, and radical post of the week. How could I miss the fact that offering health care to poor kids is an unwelcome intrusion into their lives?

  14. #114
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm, right4life said:

    You win the award for the most clueless, heartless, and radical post of the week. How could I miss the fact that offering health care to poor kids is an unwelcome intrusion into their lives?

    and you don’t think KILLING THEM is an unwelcome intrusion into their lives…

    beyond stupid.

  15. #115
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    and you don’t think KILLING THEM is an unwelcome intrusion into their lives…

    I already said I’m pro-life. How can I rationalize voting Democrat? Because the alternative is the party of this.

  16. #116
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pm, hunter said:

    and you don’t think KILLING THEM is an unwelcome intrusion into their lives…

    beyond stupid.

    You are not really killing them unless they are wanted, hence allowing living babies from botched abortions to die on their own with no attempt to save their lives.

    See that was easy to explain away right RSS.

  17. #117
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm, right4life said:

    I already said I’m pro-life. How can I rationalize voting Democrat? Because the alternative is the party of this.

    like ted kennedy…cognitive dissonance..

    keep lying to yourself.

    despicable.

  18. #118
    On March 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm, right4life said:

    Because the alternative is the party of this.

    and denigrating our troops like this shows what kind of POS you are.

    I hope you live in NYC or DC and get to experience your new savior’s defense policies first-hand…

  19. #119
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm, wighttrasch said:

    what is that even supposed to mean?

    what is ‘this’??

  20. #120
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    I already said I’m pro-life. How can I rationalize voting Democrat? Because the alternative is the party of this.

    So, frat-house hazing and poor-taste clowning around (for which people are in jail or lost their careers) is worse than removing all restrictions on abortion and embryionic stem cell research (create a human life to destroy it). Good rationalization.

  21. #121
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pm, conservativesRus said:

    It’s quite obvious rss is defining morals according to his/her own standard: (selected words from ancient texts..but certainly not the whole thing). Certainly not words though where GOD talks about moral behavior according to HIS standard.
    And FWIW rss – marriage is not a “Christian” thing…marriage was established between a man and a woman long before Christ..long before Moses, long before Noah. I think the model which GOD set up might be the one to follow. And I’ll go so far as to state that EVERY model other than the one that GOD set up, will fail.

  22. #122
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm, Misscheryl said:

    Do a little exercise – count how many times trolls use the words, me, myself, or I in their communications. Very telling.

  23. #123
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm, tonynoboloney said:

    There was this black guy who came into a bar with a parrot on his shoulder……..

    A black guy, the pope and a soldier were flying in a plane……..

    there was this black guy whose car broke down and knocked on a farmers door one night….

    an Irish man, an Italian and a black guy found A genie lamp on a beach….

  24. #124
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, American Elephant said:

    “I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus,” Obama told ABC News, “but I would also say that there’s nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude.”

    According to Obama…Obama should resign.

  25. #125
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, Socky said:

    So, RSS is saying that it’s his superior morality that drives him to support the party of NAMBLA, abortion-on-demand, and mocking the handicapped.

  26. #126
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, conservativesRus said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm, American Elephant said:

    Of course not – obama only said “ethnic group”, not any other category.
    Isn’t liberalism grand?

  27. #127
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:23 pm, RetFireman said:

    You know, the thing about the Special Olympics comment was that he honestly thought it was funny. And why did he think it was funny? Because that was not the first and only time it had been said by him. Anyone who believes that he had thought of that comment on the spur of the moment is only fooling themselves.

    Just how many times do you think his bowling was compared in that fashion amongst his cronies? How many times do you think he made that same poor excuse for a joke and got laughs from his cronies…especially from MichelleO?

    So whenje is on The Tonight Show and, feeling all into himself, thinking he is just the coolest cat in the room, he lets it fly, his only thought was, “Gee, I am such a witty dude. This kills with Biden and the rest of the guys”.

    And just how shocked do you think he was when he got off the stage and was told just how bad it was to have told that joke? You can just see and hear him looking at whoever it was that informed him of his stupidity saying, “I don’t see what the big deal is. Michelle thought it was a riot.”

    The trouble with his “comedy” is that he has been told by so many people for so long just what a smart, good looking and funny guy he is, that he believes it himself without ever once questioning why it is so many people kiss his a**.

  28. #128
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pm, tbear44 said:

    Obama is still in campaign mode and most likely will be for his entire 4 years. If anyone actually thinks Obama is the TOTUS (well he may be that), POTUS, someone else is pulling the strings while Obama lives it up on ESPN and Leno.

  29. #129
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pm, PKAmmoTroop said:

    Said by the person whose “Christian” party is also the party of war, torture, execution and letting the poor die in gutters.

    Said by the person whose “Humanist” party is also the party of war, torture, nuking civilians, racial internment, slavery, Jim Crowe, school segregation, federal segregation laws, lynching, abortion, and fiscal irresponsibility which has destroyed dozens of American cities and has forced poor people to die in gutters.

    Sorry Red, you’re in a very fragile glass house and throwing stones just shows your ignorance of reality.

  30. #130
    On March 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pm, RetFireman said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pm, d1carter said:

    I just wonder what kind of trouble this enormous ego is going to get us in?

    Hasn’t it already caused enough trouble already? How much more do you want?

    RSS said: You truly make me sick. I don’t know anything about you, but the fact that the side that so ostentatiously holds up the mantle of Christianity is the same side that wants nothing to do with the helping or even sympathizing with the “least of your brothers” is especially galling.

    Oh I see…so every last Conservative/Republican feels this way simply because one person gave their opinion…but you are not disengenuous and you certainly never exaggerate.

    You were right about one thing. The Obama Derangement Syndrome IS in full force today…but that is no different than any other day, what with all you deranged Obama supporters and apologists constantly making excuses for him and all the damage he is doing and has done to the people of this country and the country in general. Yes, you guys truly are deranged, and getting more so every day. One day, hopefully, your eyes will open and you will see just who and what it is you have been excusing and apologizing for, and hopefully it will happen before that right is removed from you.

  31. #131
    On March 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, RetFireman said:

    Let me see…our side allegedly holds up the mantle of Christianity, while the Democrats hold up the mantle of Islam.

    I think I will take our side any day. Good luck with yours. I hear they are very forgiving and open to all sorts of different folks and lifestyles.

  32. #132
    On March 20th, 2009 at 6:34 pm, RetFireman said:

    I have not seen anyone else mention this, but remember something:

    Sarah Palin gave birth to a child with Down’s Syndrome.

    If you guys recall, the Liberals were RELENTLESS with jokes and comments concerning her son as well as her.

    Now, keeping that in mind, does anyone at all believe that Obama meant nothing by this little comment of his?

    Is there anyone here that questions why the local troll population can’t see why his little comment was as bad as we have made it out to be?

    Just more love and tolerance from your friends in the Left-Wing. Always there to give lip-service to whatever subject they feel will make them appear superior, whether they honestly believe in it or not.

  33. #133
    On March 20th, 2009 at 6:53 pm, tiredofit08 said:

    On March 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm, Red State Skeptic said:

    ODS is in full force today.

    Ronald Reagan’s humor reveals him as one of U.S. History’s great bigots.

    “Why not invite Qaddafi to San Francisco, he likes to dress up so much?”

    And of course laughing at Bob Hope on camera… “I just heard that the Statue of Liberty has AIDS but she doesn’t know if she got it from the mouth of the Hudson or the Staten Island Fairy.”

    post of the week….

  34. #134
    On March 20th, 2009 at 8:02 pm, Trollman said:

    A guy who has bowled in the Special Olympics says Obama is going to need lots of practice before Obama can bowl as good as him. Read more HERE.

    Now that is funny.

  35. #135
    On March 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm, corona said:

    BBC World News showed the Leno appearance without …

  36. #136
    On March 20th, 2009 at 9:02 pm, garydt said:

    RedState Sceptic, I was wondering if you are a born again repentative Christian or were you just raised in a liberal church. I was raised in a liberal church and never heard the true gospel until after I was out of high school. I’ve visited my old church and there is no call to repentance and they support Planned Parenthood and I just can’t support this church anymore. I was just wondering what your background to your Christianity was?

  37. #137
    On March 20th, 2009 at 9:39 pm, cicerokid said:

    “flaming_o:
    I’ve got a Blarney Stone he can kiss. Really.”

    I have a gall stone he can kiss.

  38. #138
    On March 20th, 2009 at 10:49 pm, Joy said:

    Don’t worry RSS. You’ll soon start seeing posts accusing you of false moral equivalence making. They’ll tell you how Reagan’s rather wicked, dark humor is cool, and how Obama’s lameness is much worse.

    Under – Bringing up Reagan was the false moral equivalency you dolt.

  39. #139
    On March 20th, 2009 at 10:53 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    Dr. Drew Pinsky is making the rounds pimping his new book “The Mirror Effect”, which talks about the effect of celebrity narcissism on our culture. When asked if he thought Clinton and Obama were narcissists, he said he saw it in Clinton, but not in Obama, at least not at this point. Dr. Drew, look again. It’s there in spades. It’s intense.

  40. #140
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:12 pm, Paul-Cincy said:

    It’s remarkable how often Obama references himself or his life. Like, during the peanut salmonella scare, he used his most serious tone to mention his daughter ate peanut butter several times a week. It affected him, PERSONALLY. So much of his schtick is “all about him”. Drew Pinsky said Clinton had a lot of childhood trauma that contributed to his narcissism, compared to Obama. But Obama was abandoned by his father, and his mother for a period of a few years. In that way his childhood was a lot like Clinton’s. Same ingredients, same results. But compared to Obama, Clinton’s a multidimensional figure. It seems to me Obama is little more than the “Golden Child”. More of a pure type.

  41. #141
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pm, 24Klady said:

    Paul-Cincy, yet, we know absolutely nothing about ‘Bambi. No school records, thesis papers, close friends (other than the 20 yr. friendships with radicals), old girl friends. Nothing. A blank slate. The only thing ‘Bambi can discuss is from the day he met michelleOone and his children. He only talks about his grandmother when it’s convenient….like she died and you can no longer ask her anything, so deal with it.

  42. #142
    On March 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm, Joy said:

    Speaking of hussein’s teleprompter addiction…. oh okay, so we weren’t talking about that. THIS is hilarious!

  43. #143
    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:41 am, Speakup said:

    Try this in the right thread.

    Egoists/narcissists, have no sense of humor because only other people have ever done anything wrong and since they’re way better than you, there’s not one good reason in this world for them to care about making you laugh.

    Not to mention they are egoist and narcissist by personal anomaly so humor is optional.

    A national law should be instituted to prevent NPD sufferers (you and me) from contact with these sociopaths in any position unless they are under a sane persons authority and never as an equal and for all the world, never, should they, ever, be allowed to be in charge of human beings.

    How many narcissists does it take to change a light bulb?

    a) Just one — but he has to wait for the whole world to revolve around him.

  44. #144
    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:47 am, frontierguy said:

    government legislating choices that women make with their bodies is an absurd intrusion into people’s lives by big brother (something you would think “conservatives” would understand).

    Conservatives understand that people should be responsible for the choices they make in life. Why should a child die because mommy had a tingle in her crotch and it was too cumbersome to grab some birth control? You will bring up rape and danger to the mother, i could discuss that, but abortion on demand is over the top going in the direction of the democrat mantra…nothing is ever my fault and I should never have to take responsibility.

    The gay marriage thing, I could support it if it was just a civil rights thing, but it is not. When the courts in California said yes to gay marriage, the lawsuits started up almost immediately. This is only an excuse for litigation. I don’t care what Cali’s Attorney General said, the Dept of Education was calling for mandatory gay education in elementary school. He tried to claim that was a lie, but the opposition told people to look up education’s website. Prop 8 passed largely because of that. Why can’t democrats let kids just be kids? Not have to read about gay penguins and how some kids have 2 mommies when they are 5? Children should only have to worry about whether legos are available during playtime. Let them be kids!!

    Democrat policies always have bad consequences. Instead of trying to improve them, they insist on keeping them the way they are. They make no sense.

  45. #145
    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:54 am, frontierguy said:

    BTW, thanks michelle for reminding us how great Raegan was. We so badly need another man like him. I loved the Democrat diet, I could take some steps to be healthier and I’m going to give it a try. Should shed some pounds in no time

  46. #146
    On March 21st, 2009 at 1:04 am, Right is right said:

    Hey right4life wakey wakey reality calls

    Read this-Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness

    Jesus doesn’t exist and if he does he is one sick, violent MF.

    The only rule – he who is still breathing at the end of the day lives for one more night.

    Yes, I know, life is hard and people (weaklings) like you need a crutch (religion) to get through the day, and that’s fine. But when you come to websites where dialogue is encouraged, try not to freak out when someone doesn’t agree with you. Beyond stupid. Holier than thou, jackass.

  47. #147
    On March 21st, 2009 at 1:34 am, frontierguy said:

    Right is Right, let me guess, a book that talks about how horrible Christianity is because 800 years ago they did the Crusades, or 1,000 years ago was the Spanish Inquisition. I am not religious, but I have seen reality. People who hate Christianity love to point the finger and talk about what happened centuries ago. What I don’t get is that none of us were there then. We are all here now and I’m guessing that Islam is okay, because they are just seeking revenge now….right? Makes no sense to me, but you keep on keeping on.. Hate those Christians, it can be motivating.

  48. #148
    On March 21st, 2009 at 1:50 am, Joy said:

    Right is Right – Try adding up all the deaths from atheistic dictators like Stalin, Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, etc. and you will see the total is so beyond anything Christians ever did, it’s mind boggling.

    Educate yourself better please.

  49. #149
    On March 21st, 2009 at 2:29 am, frontierguy said:

    I read the summary of the Holy Horrors book and was not surprised that it treated Islam in its summary very carefully, except for mentioning their Iron Laws. I’m betting that the book will list Muslim horrors, but probably puts it in context that they were pushed into it because of horror done to them. Liberals are cowards, they only go after groups that are safe to go after, then brag about how brave they are.

  50. #150
    On March 21st, 2009 at 2:51 am, Joy said:

    Islamists strap bombs on their women and children and send them to blow up Israelis because they have the moral high ground, right?

    That seems to bother no one on the left.

  51. #151
    On March 21st, 2009 at 2:53 am, Joy said:

    that it treated Islam in its summary very carefully, except for mentioning their Iron Laws.

    They are afraid of causing The Religion of Peace to behead the authors…

  52. #152
    On March 21st, 2009 at 3:04 am, frontierguy said:

    Exactly, liberals are cowards….

    Prop 8 passed because of the black and hispanic communities in California. That has been proven. So the gays are protesting who…the Mormons. No gay protests in South Central or Compton, or the Barrios. Nope, too dangerous. They are going after the Mormons. How brave, how noble. Not even the tough talking lesbians on motorcycles have shown up to protest in front of a black church.

  53. #153
    On March 21st, 2009 at 3:08 am, yohannbiimu said:

    Why are the president’s “jokes” (scripted or not) so lame?

    Well, for one thing one must have a “sense of humor” in order to know whether something is funny or not. One must also have a sense of irony, which also escapes our twit of a “commander-in-chief’s” notice.

    This all comes when someone (like Barry) who has had everything given to him, has been sheltered his entire life, with people around him telling him who great he is and that he’s infallible. This comes from someone who has been hyped his entire life, and has come to believe in the hype.

    Reality is a harsh awakener, and one of these days Barry’s going to wonder what the hell he got himself into.

  54. #154
    On March 21st, 2009 at 3:27 am, Joy said:

    frontierguy – Exactly… they attack people who they are sure won’t attack back.

    Although, funny story. I had a gay male couple who rented the other side of a duplex I lived in. The one was a drunk and would get very violent. So one night B was banging on my door and screaming for me to let him in, so I opened the door and I saw H behind him beating him. So I let B in and in that split moment where I realized that H was going to do serious dammage to B or myself or my parrot… (He was crazed), I balled my fist up and hit H in the face. And I kept hitting until he fell. The B quickly got H in a headlock and drug him outside.

    I always wondered if I would have it in me to protect my property or another person, but it was instictive.

    So here the little Mormon girl fought off one (drunk)gay man to protect another gay man from getting beat up. LOL

    Next day the landlord was telling me all about H’s black eye and he assumed B had done it. He said it was quite a shiner!

    So the moral of this story is maybe the Prop 8 folks might not want to mess with me! 5’5″, 135 lbs of Mormon sweetness… well, okay… maybe not so sweet all the time. H ended up in the hospital because his liver was dying. He also apologized when he got home. Both of them were good friends of mine. But what a bizarre encounter.

    H died a month later, but we were friends. I’m still good friends with B.

  55. #155
    On March 21st, 2009 at 3:35 am, Joy said:

    Just for the record, that was the first time I had ever hit anyone. And haven’t hit anyone since.

    Does this make me a gay basher?

  56. #156
    On March 21st, 2009 at 3:42 am, RetFireman said:

    government legislating choices that women make with their bodies is an absurd intrusion into people’s lives by big brother (something you would think “conservatives” would understand).

    You know…I really love this argument that the pro-death crowd makes in regards to the legalized murder of the unborn.

    See, the Government legislates far more of what a human can and can’t do with their bodies than just abortion. I will skip the regular stuff, such as drinking and drugs as well as tattoos and other things, as will stick to the medical field.

    Every doctor practicing in the United States is governed by laws and rules that they operate from. These tell them what they can and cannot do as physicians. Sometimes it is in regards to the training they have had, others to what they can and cannot do within the scope of their practice.

    They regulate everything from how much medication you can be prescribed all the way to how much surgery a human can have.

    There are also ethical issues which are both regulated through the Government and also self-regulated within the medical community. Why, you even have to take a Government exam in order to even call yourself a doctor, let alone how much training you need to have every year to keep your license current.

    As far as the lay person, they regulate how much body modification you can do, how much medication you can take, whether or not you can even take your own life, and so many other issues.

    Yet you guys seem to have no issue what-so-ever with any other things that the Government regulates and legislates, just whether or not you can dispose of a human life in an easy and convenient fashion.

    This is the basic definition of hypocrisy. It shows an incredible amount of disengenuousness amongst the pro-death crowd as well as what their real motivations are. You just gotta love those fun-loving folks, dontcha?

  57. #157
    On March 21st, 2009 at 3:55 am, RetFireman said:

    RIR: Do you really believe that you are someone who encourages discussion? Seems to me you are just another hate-filled Liberal who has some sort of vendetta against Christians for some slight that occurred to you in your youth. You are the only one who is right and anyone with a differing view than yours is a “weakling” amongst God knows what other names you feel are appropriate to soothe your over-inflated sense of self-worth.

    No one may ever know just what it is Christianity ever did to you to make you turn on those who practice it, let alone what made you hate and despise someone you do not even believe existed, but does it really make you feel so much better to take out whatever frustrations and anger you personally have on those who have nothing to do with you in the first place?

    Why, you are so filled with anti-Christian rage that you feel it necessary to come onto a private blog of people who normally would not know, let alone care who you are, what you believe in or even that you exist at all, just to attack them and their personal dogmas in a thread that does not touch on the subject of religion in the slightest.

    The only thing you have done is expose yourself as being a very hateful, hate-filled bigot with serious self-loathing issues that most definitely needs to be addressed by someone in the mental health field. My goodness…to even spend an ounce of energy reading books and attacking people who were not bothering you or even knew you existed about a subject that you hate so much and frankly, also does not need you or care whether or not you believe in it or practice it is something that I guess would be between you and you psychologist or therapist.

    But please…take your self-loathing, hatred and bigotry off to whatever website you feel to be oh so much more superior than this one, for frankly, you are ridiculous and unliked, and unlikeable.

    Have a nice day.

  58. #158
    On March 21st, 2009 at 4:00 am, RetFireman said:

    Joy: You are my hero. Outstanding.

    I love a woman who can take care of bidness.

  59. #159
    On March 21st, 2009 at 4:18 am, frontierguy said:

    Bravo Joy, it is a special person who comes to the defense of others in need.

    Fireman, RIR is upset because 800 years ago Christian crusaders attacked the middle east to convert them. He can’t get over it. I know I’m still ticked off that 2,000 years ago the white Christians were slaves to the Romans and those bastards used to feed them to lions for entertainment. I think I am going to go find an Italian right now and demand my reparations.

  60. #160
    On March 21st, 2009 at 5:04 am, love2rumba said:

    Just for the record, that was the first time I had ever hit anyone. And haven’t hit anyone since.

    Does this make me a gay basher?

    nope, you are just a heroine.

  61. #161
    On March 21st, 2009 at 9:27 am, right4life said:

    On March 21st, 2009 at 1:04 am, Right is right said:
    Hey right4life wakey wakey reality calls

    looks like I’m doing something right…truth hurts doesn’t it wacko??

    christians and even muslims can’t hold a candle to you atheist butchers..Stalin, pol pot, mao, etc.. in the last century over 100 MILLION dead.

    how does it feel to know your entire life is a lie?

    we’ll see who has the last laugh…loser. :P

  62. #162
    On March 21st, 2009 at 9:30 am, right4life said:

    And I kept hitting until he fell. The B quickly got H in a headlock and drug him outside.

    thats the spirit!! I like em mean and fiesty…(ok all girls are mean ;-) )

  63. #163
    On March 21st, 2009 at 9:31 am, right4life said:

    Fireman, RIR is upset because 800 years ago Christian crusaders attacked the middle east to convert them. He can’t get over it

    thank God for people like Charles Martel, and the monks of St. John…too bad we’ve lost our nerve since then…

    there is a time to fight. and this battle with islam won’t be over until armageddon..

    Martel must be spinning in his grave to see what has happened to france..and the west in general..

  64. #164
    On March 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am, DBNinKY said:

    Why are the president’s “jokes” (scripted or not) so lame?

    The answer is a three-letter-word (or is that four letters, Joe?): E-G-O.

    And usually, people w/ huge egos can only find humor in the misfortune and/or denigration of others.

  65. #165
    On March 21st, 2009 at 11:37 am, WarEagle82 said:

    We all need to be praying for another Reagan. In fact, we need to be praying for two because it may take 16 years clean up after all the “jokes” Obama makes over the next 4 years.

  66. #166
    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:00 pm, MacEamonn said:

    Comparing Obama to Reagan on anything, from humor to policies, you see the difference between a wannabe and a truly great man.

  67. #167
    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, sbw999 said:

    What the f**k is the President of the United States doing yucking it up on late night comedy shows, while the Country is burning??? Does he think improving his “street cred” with 20 somethings is more important than acting Presidential, and showing more than token concern for the people in this country who are suffering. What a total tool.

  68. #168
    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On March 21st, 2009 at 1:04 am, Right is right said:

    Hey right4life wakey wakey reality calls

    Read this-Holy Horrors: An Illustrated History of Religious Murder and Madness

    Jesus doesn’t exist and if he does he is one sick, violent MF.

    The only rule – he who is still breathing at the end of the day lives for one more night.

    Yes, I know, life is hard and people (weaklings) like you need a crutch (religion) to get through the day, and that’s fine. But when you come to websites where dialogue is encouraged, try not to freak out when someone doesn’t agree with you. Beyond stupid. Holier than thou, jackass.

    If you “think” (likely, your brain has merely been conditioned via ignorant indoctrination to function as it does) that Christianity has been nothing but a source of death and misery throughout history, then you are 180 degrees wrong. Judeo-Christian inspired, fostered, and flourished Western Civilization is probably the reason YOU exist at all.

    Western Civilization has been THE bulwark that has kept ANYONE on Earth free at all against the subjugation of Islamic totalitarianism. Had it failed, and the slightest (likely impossible) chance that you had come to be, then you’d be a camel piss-drinking, Koran-reciting, derka-babbling Muslim, and the notion of NOT believing in Allah (“the all wise and merciful”) would never enter your mind.

    I will match ANYTHING you’ve got (Atheism) with Christian-inspired thought, science, progressive innovation, economics, and historic eventuality. Atheism hasn’t offered humanity anything but ignorance and misery, and wouldn’t even EXIST without CHRISTIANS keeping your sorry butts alive. In fact, when the Jihad comes your way, you’ll probably be the first ones to grow a beard, buy a Koran, and celebrate their “liberating” you.

  69. #169
    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On March 21st, 2009 at 4:18 am, frontierguy said:

    Bravo Joy, it is a special person who comes to the defense of others in need.

    Fireman, RIR is upset because 800 years ago Christian crusaders attacked the middle east to convert them. He can’t get over it. I know I’m still ticked off that 2,000 years ago the white Christians were slaves to the Romans and those bastards used to feed them to lions for entertainment. I think I am going to go find an Italian right now and demand my reparations.

    Just to set the record straight, the Crusades were made to 1) liberate Christian lands subjugated (by their force of arms) by the Islamic caliphate, and 2) to relieve the pressure that had been coming against Europe via raids and military incursions across the Pyrenees mountains and through the Balkans.

    They were NOT made to force anyone to become Christian–like the Muslims force non-Muslims to convert to Islam. The lands that they were hoping to liberate (Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and the Mesopotomic region were ALREADY majority Christian. They only wanted to remove the Islamic tyranny from them.

  70. #170
    On March 21st, 2009 at 2:21 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    “If my opponent’s campaign Obama’s administration were a TV show it would be ‘Let’s Make a Deal.’ You’d get to trade your prosperity for the surprise behind the curtain.”

    And “the surprise behind the curtain” is first Socialism, and then Communism.

  71. #171
    On March 21st, 2009 at 2:23 pm, ITookTheRedPill said:

    On March 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    Thank you.

  72. #172
    On March 21st, 2009 at 4:36 pm, RetFireman said:

    There are two versions of The Crusades.

    There is the Islamic version,’

    And then there is the truth.

  73. #173
    On March 21st, 2009 at 9:56 pm, emjem24 said:

    Red State Skeptic said:
    MM is not deranged by Obama because she disagrees with him. She’s deranged by making personal attacks on Obama’s ego and the authenticity of his self-deprecation. No matter what you think of his policies, one thing you have to give Obama (and should be proud of in your president) is that one problem he does not have is his ego. Someone with an ego problem would not have been able to stomach the attacks he endured during the campaign on the basis of his heritage with such poise. Furthermore, a man with an ego problem wouldn’t be married to his wife (and that’s a compliement to both him and Michelle O). The man is unflappable. To question that is truly deranged.

    This entire comment is completely sickening on so many levels. It is not healthy (on any side of the isle) to have a cult of personality around a single politician or to set him (or his wife) on a pedestal that would indicate that no matter how awful they are you will continue to make excuses for them.

    Obummer is single-handedly (with the pushing of the congressional Dem majorities) ruining the country. It isn’t just policy disagreement. It is having a political tin ear as many, on both sides of the MSM, have accused Obummer of. Demonizing Wall Street and businesses is petty and stupid when you’re wilfully deciding who should have such and such bonuses. That is highly undemocratic. Nothing, I’m sure you care about, because you’re apolitical and such, right?

    As for “the side that invented policital derangement,” I seem to remember the crazy coming out from day one of Clinton’s presidency

    Oh, my, Repubs were deranged over Clinton’s “little affair?” Even though he lied under oath, which would jail most ordinary citizens, including Martha Stewart? It must be such a joy for you, RSS, to ignore affairs (on both sides of the isle). You must love weak characters because the graspers of this world always gravitate toward the powerful who give ‘em their goodies.

    You’re such a precious discovery. It’s hilarious that what brought down Clinton was an affair that HE LIED ABOUT. That’s irony rich.

    Don’t look now…. John Edwards is paging you to save his marriage. :roll:

  74. #174
    On March 21st, 2009 at 10:13 pm, emjem24 said:

    Red State Skeptic said:
    I already said I’m pro-life. How can I rationalize voting Democrat? Because the alternative is the party of this.

    No, you’re a cafeteria Christian like so many Catholics I know who want religion on “their terms.” Yeah, Jesus really wanted abortion and gay marriage. How the hell do you know?

    You, and others like you, are why I actually get where folks like Zeroangel come from. Religion is becoming such a joke in this country. You’re not a Christian, you and other liberals like you, are parodies of what Christians actually are. When was the last time you actually gave of yourself or donated to a charity?

    BTW, that picture that you linked tells me everything I need to know about you. You’re about as “Christian” as the abortion doctor down the street. You’re a person who will explain away anything and everything to comfort themselves while villifying the military because you’re too weak-minded to actually defend those “freedoms” (whatever they are anymore) yourself.

    You make me sick. You’re such a hypocritical, phoney Christian. Get over yourself. Yet another reason I just don’t go to church anymore when so many don’t practice what they supposedly preach, on both sides.

  75. #175
    On March 21st, 2009 at 10:29 pm, Kevin K. said:

    On March 21st, 2009 at 3:35 am, Joy said:(#155)

    Does this make me a gay basher?

    LOL. Yes!

    And well done. Completely effective

  76. #176
    On March 21st, 2009 at 10:56 pm, Trollman said:

    emjem24 said:

    Yet another reason I just don’t go to church anymore when so many don’t practice what they supposedly preach, on both sides.

    That isn’t a logical reason to stop going to church.

  77. #177
    On March 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pm, frontierguy said:

    Yohann, I actually did know that the Christian Crusades were in response to Islam’s push into Europe. I wrote that, but since I was being sarcastic and talking to someone who is using a total leftist argument, I changed my words and just generalized. I have been told before by liberals that we should understand Muslims anger because of the Crusades. When I try to bring up true history, they disagree and claim that the Crusades were Christian tyranny. So my point then is how does something that happened so long ago be of any consequence today. That was the angle there. RIR personally attacked someone in here because of Christianity, Christians are strong people who do more good than any other religion. I believe that Americans are so generous because of our Christian heritage. Islamic countries, even though many are so wealthy, have not done much (if any) to improve the world.

  78. #178
    On March 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm, garydt said:

    I’ve been away nearly twenty-four hours and Skeptic didn’t answer me but which doesn’t surprize me. I know the Crusaders seems to always put a bad mark on Christianity, but it seems they were pretty gentle compared to the zealots of Islam today. As for the Spanish Inquisition, perhaps the folks were wrapped up in their religion they forsake their relationship with Christ to persecute the true brothers and sisters in Christ themselves.

  79. #179
    On March 21st, 2009 at 11:41 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    Red State Skeptic said:
    MM is not deranged by Obama because she disagrees with him. She’s deranged by making personal attacks on Obama’s ego and the authenticity of his self-deprecation. No matter what you think of his policies, one thing you have to give Obama (and should be proud of in your president) is that one problem he does not have is his ego. Someone with an ego problem would not have been able to stomach the attacks he endured during the campaign on the basis of his heritage with such poise. Furthermore, a man with an ego problem wouldn’t be married to his wife (and that’s a compliement to both him and Michelle O). The man is unflappable. To question that is truly deranged.

    OMG!!! These comments with regard to the “unflappable” nature of Obama are unbelievable! This must be from someone who is completely blind and deaf. Obama CANNOT stomach opposition–that’s why he’ll talk ABOUT Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, but WON’T talk TO them.

    Obama’s skin is as thin as skin comes, and if that isn’t apparent to anyone who was paying attention this past year, then there is either something wrong with your eyesight and hearing, or you just didn’t give a damn.

  80. #180
    On March 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 am, yohannbiimu said:

    On March 21st, 2009 at 11:39 pm, frontierguy said:

    I believe that Americans are so generous because of our Christian heritage. Islamic countries, even though many are so wealthy, have not done much (if any) to improve the world.

    I do not think that anything good has EVER come from the barbaric institution that is Islam. If this were a sane world (and it clearly isn’t), civilized nations would have utterly subjugated and rehabilitated the Muslim nations, in order to save those poor souls from the misery and ignorance that is bred from the traditions demanded in its “holy” writings, and ALSO to save the rest of humanity from being utterly destroyed by its dictates.

    The fact that Islam is not only tolerated, but SUBSIDIZED by everyone shows that civilized nations are ripe for annihilation. Islam is a sickness that threatens all mankind, and only a tiny number of folks realize it.

    Totalitarianism makes a LOT of people very, very stupid. For some reason, world “leaders” (like Obama) get this very idiotic notion that you can diplomatically reason with totalitarians, and that will turn them into rational, well-behaved people. Times haven’t changed since circa 1938-39.

  81. #181
    On March 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 am, frontierguy said:

    I agree.

  82. #182
    On March 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 pm, 29Victor said:

    Why are the president’s “jokes” (scripted or not) so lame?

    President Obama’s not about the one-liners, he’s prop comic.

    C’mon, giving 25 DVDs to a half-blind man…and the DVDs don’t even work in his country! I don’t care who you are…that’s funny.

    Next time the president goes on Leno he just needs to bring a sledge hammer and a watermelon large cantaloupe.

  83. #183
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 am, yohannbiimu said:

    President Obama’s not about the one-liners, he’s prop comic.

    C’mon, giving 25 DVDs to a half-blind man…and the DVDs don’t even work in his country! I don’t care who you are…that’s funny.

    Next time the president goes on Leno he just needs to bring a sledge hammer and a watermelon large cantaloupe.

    I’ve got a better one: have him walk out on stage, and at the moment he reaches out to shake Leno’s hand, have his pants rigged to drop around his ankles, and then he can do a Dick van Dyke-like tumble over a footstool. America will absolutely fall over themselves in LOVE with Obama if he did that.

  84. #184
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 am, RetFireman said:

    No matter what you think of his policies, one thing you have to give Obama (and should be proud of in your president) is that one problem he does not have is his ego. Someone with an ego problem would not have been able to stomach the attacks he endured during the campaign on the basis of his heritage with such poise.

    I don’t know how I missed this little comment, and I know so many others have already gone off on it…

    But how freaking idiotic can you be?

    Look, I realize that there is a very large segment of this population that has pledged blind devotion towards this guy, and they have not spent more than a few seconds, if that, in researching him on their own and have relied completely upon what places like Kos, DU, HuffPoo, the Obama Campaign Website and maybe a couple of other pro-Obama/anti-American websites to fill in the information that they parrot like an echo chamber, but the least you could do is watch him when he spoke, during the debates etc., and read articles concerning his reactions towards anyone who questioned him, questioned his background, his associations, etc.

    Der Fuhrer has not just threatened law suits against anyone who spoke out against him, against those who challenged him or his background, he has actually carried them out.

    He has thrown news organizations, not just reporters, out of his bus, plane and general area for asking him questions that were not previously approved by his campaign.

    He attacked Sarah Palin and his organization lead the charge in defamation of her and her family, and he never, not once, directed anyone in his organization to stop making such attacks. In fact, he encouraged them.

    His ego has to be the biggest of any President. For you to say that he has none, in the midst of such things as creating his own logo, having “President Obama” stitched into the chairs of his airplane BEFORE he had been elected, encouraging the youth movements to sing his praises, writing (or actually ghost writing) not one BUT TWO auto-biographies before he was even 45 years old, one of them before he had even accomplished anything…

    My God, but you have most definitely chugged down as much of the Obama Kool Aide as your stomach would allow, and then some. You are so incredibly blinded by his ego alone that you cannot see anything wrong with anything he has said or done. You are a zealot, and exactly that which you claim to despise in Republicans and Conservatives. It is you and those like you that are the scariest. Make suure you iron your arm-band daily once he has them issued. You will want to look your best for him…after all, he hates things out of place, and having your boy-crush dashed might just make you sanp.

  85. #185
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    Wow – that RetFireman character sure is upset – hey RetFireman get yourself some new teeth and get out of your mama’s basement so you can see how wonderful life can be.

  86. #186
    On March 25th, 2009 at 11:19 am, thetoysurgeon said:

    Because he can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. He can’t think and talk at the same time. The man is brain dead without a teleprompter.

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