The David Copperfield School of Economic Recovery, Pt. II

By Michelle Malkin  •  March 23, 2009 06:20 AM

Now what?

Last week, the Obama administration brought us a $1 trillion Federal Reserve magic trick hatched by the David Copperfield School of Economic Recovery — printing up a trillion bucks and “pumping it into the U.S. economy”…by buying up bonds and mortgage securities…sold and backed by the government.

Today, hapless, truth-challenged tax cheat Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner officially unveils another $1 trillion magic trick. Instead of letting failed banks fail, we’ll have another desperately massive and massively desperate attempt to prop them up through a “public private partnership investment program.” Eager to get the still-unfolding Bonus-gate behind them (see “Geithner Aides Worked With AIG for Months on Bonuses” and “AIG paid over $218 million in bonus payments”), Team Obama leaked details of the plan over the weekend. World stock markets were up this morning, full of audaciously blind hope.

Geithner ’s WSJ op-ed this morning lays out some of the details he failed to deliver when he first unveiled his non-plan plan a month ago:

Today, we are announcing another critical piece of our plan to increase the flow of credit and expand liquidity. Our new Public-Private Investment Program will set up funds to provide a market for the legacy loans and securities that currently burden the financial system.

The Public-Private Investment Program will purchase real-estate related loans from banks and securities from the broader markets. Banks will have the ability to sell pools of loans to dedicated funds, and investors will compete to have the ability to participate in those funds and take advantage of the financing provided by the government.

The funds established under this program will have three essential design features. First, they will use government resources in the form of capital from the Treasury, and financing from the FDIC and Federal Reserve, to mobilize capital from private investors. Second, the Public-Private Investment Program will ensure that private-sector participants share the risks alongside the taxpayer, and that the taxpayer shares in the profits from these investments. These funds will be open to investors of all types, such as pension funds, so that a broad range of Americans can participate.

Third, private-sector purchasers will establish the value of the loans and securities purchased under the program, which will protect the government from overpaying for these assets.

The new Public-Private Investment Program will initially provide financing for $500 billion with the potential to expand up to $1 trillion over time, which is a substantial share of real-estate related assets originated before the recession that are now clogging our financial system. Over time, by providing a market for these assets that does not now exist, this program will help improve asset values, increase lending capacity by banks, and reduce uncertainty about the scale of losses on bank balance sheets. The ability to sell assets to this fund will make it easier for banks to raise private capital, which will accelerate their ability to replace the capital investments provided by the Treasury.

This program to address legacy loans and securities is part of an overall strategy to resolve the crisis as quickly and effectively as possible at least cost to the taxpayer. The Public-Private Investment Program is better for the taxpayer than having the government alone directly purchase the assets from banks that are still operating and assume a larger share of the losses. Our approach shares risk with the private sector, efficiently leverages taxpayer dollars, and deploys private-sector competition to determine market prices for currently illiquid assets.

The self-delusional hope, as the NYTimes put it over the weekend (see “Toxic Asset Plan Foresees Big Subsidies for Investors”), “is that such a generous taxpayer subsidy will attract private investors into the market and accelerate the recovery of the country’s banks.”

Because, you know, the trillions of generous taxpayer subsidies we’ve already poured down the hole have worked such wonders to “accelerate the recovery.”

And because, you know, healthy investment firms will be sooooo eager to accept government funding after watching what happened to AIG.

Mike Shedlock boils it down:

This is similar in nature to fraudulent schemes that promise “what’s inside the bag is worth $1 million, unless you open the bag”.

In this case there may be a few “good bags” similar in nature to salting the mine schemes, but for the most part everyone knows what’s in the bag is toxic garbage. What really makes no sense whatsoever is why the government would risk 97% with shared “upside” instead of just buying it all.

Somehow, Geithner (and Obama by implication) believes that igniting a bidding war between hedge funds and private equity over a bag of cow manure will inspire confidence that there’s gold in the bag. Such insanity cannot possibly work, which means it won’t.

To paraphrase Obama’s favorite president, Abe Lincoln: “You can fool all of the Kool-Aid drinkers some of the time, and some of the Kool-Aid drinkers all of the time, but you can’t fool all of the Kool-Aid drinkers all of the time.”

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Comments


  1. #656270
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am, John Deaux said:

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am, chapoutier said:
    Poor Kool-Aid. Forever linked with an event that should properly be associated with its bastard cousin, Flavor Aid.

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 10:56 am, WarEagle82 said:
    To set the record straight, both brands were used by the late Mr. Jones and his followers…

    Say what you will, but at least Jones went with a national brand, instead of the generic store brand that had a strange chemical taste to it.

  2. #656271
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am, chapoutier said:

    Obama sent a letter to the French president, and called him Jacques Chirac.

    No. There is zero evidence that Obama meant that letter for Sarkozy. Interesting to note that:

    1) Chirac founded the Jacques Chirac Foundation for Sustainable Development and Cultural Dialogue, which if you read the letter, sounds a lot like what Obama is getting at.

    2) Obama recently met with Gorbachev in a run up for his meeting with Medvedev. So he certainly thinks for whatever reason, it is useful to keep ties to influential former heads of state.

  3. #656272
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 am, sonofdy said:

    Chap, or he has dementia. Given his record so far on the economy, I am leaning towards the later.

    Someone needs to tell him he already spent that trillion dollars. TWICE!!!

  4. #656273
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 am, wighttrasch said:

    Anybody want to guess that ACORN or some group of liberal Dems has their hands all over this?

    I thought I saw one of the ‘protesters’ holding an ACORN sign.

    Way to keep your agenda a secret there, dipsh!t.

  5. #656274
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 am, Freddy said:

    What is still missing in all of this is, HOW does the PRIVATE entity make any money? Sure, the government does not care if all is lost, Obama will just go on tv and blame bush, but the private fellows will want to know what they can make on their investment. I bet this entire scheme falls apart in short order once the little details are ‘uncovered’. The real question is: how much will the private entities take home before it is stopped?

    And of course, Geithner has already hand picked the handfull of ‘investors’ they he will be transfering the cash to!

  6. #656276
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 am, NJ-Aviator said:

    stillontheroad said:

    Who is the president of France?
    If you answered Jacques Chirac instead of Nicolas Sarkozy, you may already be the president of the United States.
    Obama sent a letter to the French president, and called him Jacques Chirac.

    The man is in WAY over his head. I’m telling you, we’d have been better off with the Sham-Wow guy.

  7. #656277
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    This “new” toxic asset plan is exactly what the original TARP was supposed to do. Why are we supposed to believe that this time they will actually do what they say they are going to do?

    It is also predicated on private investors’ willingness to invest most of the money while taking on most of the risk. After last week’s hissy-fit in DC over the AIG bonuses, are we now to understand that this time it is okay for these investors to make money?

    What assurance do these investors have that Congress will not, in another phony display of moral outrage, tear up this agreement too and again turn to demagoguery to rile up the lynch mobs?

  8. #656278
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 am, sonofdy said:

    The man is in WAY over his head. I’m telling you, we’d have been better off with the Sham-Wow guy.

    Follow me camera guy, this is how you spend 1 trillion dollars, 3 times….

  9. #656279
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    The government is like my ex-wife.

    It doesnt want to listen to me, it (and its lawyers) thinks it knows better than I do, and every time it tries to confiscate my assets it destroys the value of everything I ever worked for and/or invested in.

    No matter how much I want both of us to prosper, only one of us ever does.

  10. #656284
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:51 am, WarTip said:

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 am, Freddy said:
    What is still missing in all of this is, HOW does the PRIVATE entity make any money?

    Bait and switch.

    They are led to believe that all of their investments will be taxpayer funded … which they will when it fails … but if they do slip up and earn anything despite this administration’s best efforts, their money will be taxed at ninety percent (due to recent changes in the “law”) selective enforcement, faux outrage or whatever the cause or law du jour is. (I think that is how it is spelled but I have never been big on French or fancy foo foo restaurants making a fancy name for yesterday’s leftovers)

  11. #656288
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am, right4life said:

    we’d have been better off with the Sham-Wow guy.

    I’d rather have BILLY MAYS!!

  12. #656320
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 12:41 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    I think the important thing is that the late Mr. Jones offered his followers a diversity of brands. You could quite literally choose your poison. And choice is what matters after all…

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am, John Deaux said:

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am, chapoutier said:
    Poor Kool-Aid. Forever linked with an event that should properly be associated with its bastard cousin, Flavor Aid.

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 10:56 am, WarEagle82 said:
    To set the record straight, both brands were used by the late Mr. Jones and his followers…

    Say what you will, but at least Jones went with a national brand, instead of the generic store brand that had a strange chemical taste to it.

  13. #656331
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm, detolbert said:

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE STUPID REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS THAT ARE GOING ALONG WITH OBAMA’S RAGE ABOUT SALARIES.

    THEY ARE AIDING HIS TAKE FROM WHITES TO GIVE TO THE BLACKS CRAP.

  14. #656345
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 1:05 pm, Dan Lee said:

    Obama should be impeached as a threat to our financial security, & therefore our National Security.. He was on 60 Minutes yucking it up about our economy like it was a joke, which is why the interviewer asked him if he was “Punch Drunk”..

    When the leftist media begins to question him, you know something is VERY, VERY wrong. I wrote both of my senators & my Rep. demanding his impeachment after it was announced that he will attempt to control the Salaries of Corporate execs next. That’s to be announced soon according to Fox News.

    That would be Unconstitutional, & proves that Obama is a flat out Communist. He needs to be ousted, & sent back to Kenya, or wherever he really comes from…

  15. #656355
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm, tamarah180 said:

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 am, right4life said:
    there will be a scapegoat..the rich, the republicans, the christians, the jews, to blame the failures on…bank on it…

    And who is the all time favorite scapegoat in the world?!??

    Yup, that’s why Jews should be preparing for the inevitable Neo-Nazi backlash. Anti-semitic attacks have gone up sharply all around the world – probably fueled by “The Religion of Pieces” minions.

    Here is one way…

  16. #656356
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 1:15 pm, tamarah180 said:

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 am, wighttrasch said:
    could you all keep it down?

    I’m really trying to listen to Michell-O talk about her garden. And how she’ll have fresh ‘fruit’ for her family…

    Well, technically, tomatoes ARE fruits….

    Doubt she knows that, but it is true.

  17. #656374
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 1:30 pm, Socratease said:

    Last week, the Obama administration brought us a $1 trillion Federal Reserve magic trick hatched by the David Copperfield School of Economic Recovery — printing up a trillion bucks and “pumping it into the U.S. economy”…by buying up bonds and mortgage securities…sold and backed by the government.

    Hmmm… I would say that more a trick of the Robert Mugabe Institute of Economics and Banana Republicanry.

  18. #656394
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm, stillontheroad said:

    The man is in WAY over his head. I’m telling you, we’d have been better off with the Sham-Wow guy.

    I am all for it – Vince can come in there day one, look at all the crap Little Boots is trying to foist on us and say,”Forget about it”.

  19. #656400
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 1:57 pm, wighttrasch said:

    tamarah–yes, I know that most of what we call vegetables are actually ‘fruit’ as well. And I agree–I don’t think the Ivy League prepared her for that distinction.

  20. #656406
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm, nosheep said:

    The Dims and Obi Juan are “Spending money they haven’t even stolen from my grandkids yet”….I previously said kids but it will probably be 10 yrs before we can get out of debt(if indeed we still can) so insert next generation….

  21. #656407
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pm, bayou22 said:

    How is this plan really any different than the original TARP plan passed under Bush/Paulson?…oh, except now Obama is taking credit for the idea… (and thus, he gets credit for the failure now, too…).

  22. #656418
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Well, technically, tomatoes ARE fruits

    So is the Chairman of the House Banking Committee but I don’t want to get personal :evil:
    Michell-O’s garden will probably produce Bitter Herbs anyway-perhaps some cat nip, hemlock.

  23. #656439
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:22 pm, EdDantes said:

    GEICO’s new slogan…

    “So easy, Tim Geithner could do it.”

  24. #656445
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm, right4life said:

    And who is the all time favorite scapegoat in the world?!??

    interesting isn’t it? its been that way for a very long time…I have a little theory…they have a very old, and very powerful enemy :evil: and he has a great deal of influence…

    and those that are his always hate the jews..

  25. #656449
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:33 pm, Marie said:

    off subject I know, but I keep asking
    WHERE’S THE DAMNED PUPPY???

    A promise is a promise!

    It’s pretty mean to lie to your own kids.

  26. #656459
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:41 pm, stillontheroad said:

    The kids are waiting for the animatronic version from Disney. Has an integrated Teleprompter for remote hand signal recognition and a receive only circuit for push button activation of barking and whining.

  27. #656468
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 2:49 pm, wighttrasch said:

    The kids are waiting for the animatronic version from Disney

    and, to paraphrase Woody Allen in ‘Sleeper’, he leaves little batteries on the floor.

  28. #656500
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pm, stillontheroad said:

    EcoFriendly I hope lolol

  29. #656579
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 3:57 pm, NJ-Aviator said:

    O/T ….sort of.

    Did anyone read about Barney Frank calling Justice Scalia a homophobe?

  30. #656586
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:02 pm, Socky said:
  31. #656596
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:08 pm, Mercy4Me said:

    Okay, Dow closes at almost 500 points higher, who buys into this crap??

    I would not participate in anything the Gov. did right now.
    But what does this mean when the DOW soars????

  32. #656610
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:18 pm, Flyoverman said:

    But what does this mean when the DOW soars????

    During this administration it means in 72 hours it will drop like a rock.

  33. #656614
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:21 pm, GaMidnightRider said:

    Time to march on D.C. with pitchforks and torches. That is the only way to stop all this crazy crap.

  34. #656617
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    detolbert said:
    THEY ARE AIDING HIS TAKE FROM WHITES TO GIVE TO THE BLACKS CRAP.

    Yep – this is who some of you people are – the rest of you are just full of it.

    I didn’t see people sending bags of tea to their local city councils when tax dollars were taken from the middle class and used to support athletic stadiums and tax shelters for athletic teams worth hundreds of millions–sometimes billions of dollars.

  35. #656618
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm, Misscheryl said:

    I haven’t read all the comments here but didn’t private lending institutions buying “toxic” assets get us into this mess in the first place? I’m probably being waaaayyyy tooo simplistic here.

  36. #656629
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:31 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Technically, I think Bwaney Fwank called “Juftwif Scawia” a “homofwob.”

  37. #656632
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm, Misscheryl said:

    WarEagle82 said:
    Technically, I think Bwaney Fwank called “Juftwif Scawia” a “homofwob.”

    and how come he can call people names, but we can’t call him names…huuummmmmm?????

  38. #656635
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:35 pm, chapoutier said:

    I haven’t read all the comments here but didn’t private lending institutions buying “toxic” assets get us into this mess in the first place?

    More like lending institutions leveraging toxic assets was the trouble.

  39. #656638
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:36 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Well, then you just aren’t looking. Many principled conservatives objected to local governments giving tax dollars to professional sports team owners to build stadiums. In fact, on many forums, many conservatives objected when the largely black DC city council took tax money from predominatly poor black city residents and gave it to the rich white Washington Nationals’ team owner. We mostly oppose the government taking tax dollars from anyone and giving it to others. It is a conservative thing.

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    detolbert said:
    THEY ARE AIDING HIS TAKE FROM WHITES TO GIVE TO THE BLACKS CRAP.

    Yep – this is who some of you people are – the rest of you are just full of it.

    I didn’t see people sending bags of tea to their local city councils when tax dollars were taken from the middle class and used to support athletic stadiums and tax shelters for athletic teams worth hundreds of millions–sometimes billions of dollars.

  40. #656644
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    In fact, on many forums, many conservatives objected when the largely black DC city council took tax money from predominatly poor black city residents and gave it to the rich white Washington Nationals’ team owner.

    Yeah….Except that the stadium was financed by a tax on businesses, 71% of which are owned by non-Blacks in the District (even though they represent 2/3 of the population).

    So I hope you didn’t waste too much breath on behalf of the poor blacks that weren’t actually being taxed.

  41. #656650
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm, John Deaux said:

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

    I didn’t see people sending bags of tea to their local city councils when tax dollars were taken from the middle class and used to support athletic stadiums and tax shelters for athletic teams worth hundreds of millions–sometimes billions of dollars.

    The argument can be made that a new stadium will benefit the community through jobs for locals, increased tax revenues, parking fees, etc. Personally, I think the numbers are inflated a bit.

    Hamas receiving $900 million is going to have what effect? Will they suddenly love us? Will they be by our side should we get attacked by extremists? How many Americans will be employed as a result?

    I appreciate your attempt at equivalency and share your criticism of spending tax dollars on private stadiums. Plenty of owners built stadiums with their own money in the past, but owners today want to share the risk with the people they’re fleecing with high ticket prices.

    As far as the racism angle, give it a rest. People can question methods and motives regardless of race.

    This “crisis” is being used to further an agenda. They will end up taking the short path, inflation, to catch up on the debt, then blame the whole thing on Bush while begging for four more years to finish mopping up.

  42. #656657
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:56 pm, DesertLover said:

    chap … #129 …

    Basically correct … but the real problem is that their hands were tied on the leveraging rules of “Mark to Market” which has forced them to devalue things on the books while at the same time they had to increase their reserves resulting in a situation where many institutions actually have cash on hand but it is not available for lending because of the Federal Rules on Asset Reserves … (The following article on Forbes explains this) … Mark to Market

    A lot of the TARP money is going into those reserves that the government requires them to have …

    Get rid of Mark to Market and much of the liquidity issue will go away overnight …

  43. #656661
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:59 pm, WarTip said:

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 pm, John Deaux said: Hamas receiving $900 million is going to have what effect?

    Lots of new weapons for the guys that hate anything and everything Western?

    Or was that a rhetorical question?

  44. #656663
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 5:02 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    And of course, in your leftist universe, taxes on businesses aren’t passed along to customers. Do you have any idea how the real world works?

    Most principled conservatives, and even some leftists, don’t think taxing the poor to give to rich sports team owners makes sense. I guess Chappy is the exception again.

    And I am fairly confident that most studies reveal staggering little long-term, positive economic growth from stadiums and the associated businesses. I expect Chappy will gainsay this as well.

    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    In fact, on many forums, many conservatives objected when the largely black DC city council took tax money from predominatly poor black city residents and gave it to the rich white Washington Nationals’ team owner.

    Yeah….Except that the stadium was financed by a tax on businesses, 71% of which are owned by non-Blacks in the District (even though they represent 2/3 of the population).

    So I hope you didn’t waste too much breath on behalf of the poor blacks that weren’t actually being taxed.

  45. #656680
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 5:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    And of course, in your leftist universe, taxes on businesses aren’t passed along to customers. Do you have any idea how the real world works?

    Yeah. I am sure this is what you meant when you said “took tax money from predominantly poor black city residents”. That was just your clever shorthand for “took money indirectly from predominantly poor black city residents through a bump in business taxes for places where the predominantly poor black people may shop, which businesses raise their prices in relation to the tax increase.” Sure.

    And in any case it is levied only against businesses with over $5 million in revenue, i.e., the downtown firms and businesses. Not the places where the poor folk in Anacostia usually do their shopping. This was taxing the relatively rich to give to the rich. Think of that what you will.

  46. #656691
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Well, Chappy DOES have NO IDEA how the real world works. $5 million in revenue breaks down to $416,000 a month or $13,888 a day or $1,157 an hour if you run your business for 12 hours a day.

    Suppose you have 4 establishments. That means if you rack up a phenominal $289 of sales an hour per establishment on average you get to pay taxes to support the stadium. That represents 36 sales of $8/per sale per hour. $8 is a cheap sandwich on G Street in downtown DC. I don’t know ANY places downtown that sell 36 sandwiches an hour. Do the math if you can…

    I guess in Chappy’s world there are no black entrepreneurs in DC. Or in his world, nobody should make a decent living. I guess we now have proof that leftists hate poor black urban residents and want to tax them to death.

  47. #656706
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 5:54 pm, chapoutier said:

    Suppose you have 4 establishments.

  48. #656724
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 pm, guspapa said:

    Suppose that 2/3 of the people in DC are tax recipients and not taxpayers?

  49. #656734
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm, tamarah180 said:

    But what does this mean when the DOW soars????

    The same people who began the crash of the economy before the election, decided to puff it up a bit. But just for a while as they make thier exit plans and prepare their dissident control methods. It will have fits and starts until about June/July.

    Then it will sink like Jimmy Hoffa wearing his concrete dancing shoes….

    http://www.urbansurvival.com/blog/

  50. #656736
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm, davidcaskey said:

    One of the depressing things about being a conservative and looking at conservative sites is to see the negativity. Certainly I do not like to see the government manipulating the economy, but under the circumstances it is necessary. I firmly believe that the government got us to this point with both political parties joining in the effort. Without the moves that have been made we would be looking at a scenario that would make 1930 look like a minor market correction. The world, not the US is on the brink of economy decomposition. The moves by the government, other than the stupid “stimulus”, have been reasonable. Without them I can assure you that all of the people on this site would be in dire trouble with their incomes and pensions. So instead of blanket criticism why not suggestion for another plan. Not spending money is an acceptable plan. My thought is to get rid of mark to market accounting and the uptick rule. This would help. Stabilize housing by making it difficult to leave a house. Such as investigation for fraud and serious prison time for walking away from a mortgage.

  51. #656740
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 6:25 pm, chapoutier said:

    Why the hell would you divide the revenue between 4 establishments. It’s a per business tax, genius.

    And there are about 50,000 businesses in DC. Only about 2,000 of them end up being subject to the tax. You think many of the richest 2,000 businesses in DC are in Shaw or Anacostia, hmmm? You don’t think that the vast majority of these 2,000 richest firms are downtown law firms, consulting companies and the like?

    Just admit you have no clue what you are talking about. DC’s poor black residents are NOT footing the bill for this stadium.

    I guess in Chappy’s world there are no black entrepreneurs in DC. Or in his world, nobody should make a decent living. I guess we now have proof that leftists hate poor black urban residents and want to tax them to death

    No, but based on that post we have proof positive you are a retard. Not that we needed any more.

  52. #656776
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 6:58 pm, mike.musculus said:

    #131
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 4:42 pm, chapoutier said:
    In fact, on many forums, many conservatives objected when the largely black DC city council took tax money from predominatly poor black city residents and gave it to the rich white Washington Nationals team owner.
    Yeah….Except that the stadium was financed by a tax on businesses, 71% of which are owned by non-Blacks in the District (even though they represent 2/3 of the population).
    So I hope you didn’t waste too much breath on behalf of the poor blacks that weren’t actually being taxed.

    Ah! So when you see a painted shed you think the shed’s made of the paint!

    Or that taxes aren’t defrayed by raising the price… the same as all other cost-of-doing-busness that government foists off!

    Folks, this “chap” doesn’t care that the increased taxes in those poor neighborhoods raised the cost-of-living for the poor!

    He just wants the jollies of charging them the money through raising costs-by-taxation while claiming he has a concience!

    How telling.

  53. #656783
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm, Beukeboom said:

    Please, please, please stop referring to it as “David Copperfield School Of Economic Recovery”. Frankly I have about as much respect for Copperfield as Penn & Teller do. In fact since the duo are self-admitted con artists, flim-flam men, etc. (but acknolwedge that it’s done strictly for entertainment {unlike folks who use magician’s tricks and techniques to rip people off like Uri Geller, Silvia Brown, Peter Popoff, etc.}) perhaps it would be more accurate to call it the “Penn & Teller School Of Economic Recovery” since P&T’s shows are far more entertaining and parallel much of the flim-flam going on in Congress.

  54. #656791
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 pm, DBNinKY said:

    Obama recently met with Gorbachev…he certainly thinks…it is useful to keep ties to influential former heads of state.

    I don’t see why: Former heads of state in most foreign nations are about as relevant as yesterday’s toast in affecting contemporary diplomacy – particularly Gorby in Russia, where there’s no evidence to suggest anyone has influence over money grubbing Putin.

  55. #656793
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 pm, chapoutier said:

    Folks, this “chap” doesn’t care that the increased taxes in those poor neighborhoods raised the cost-of-living for the poor!

    Except I have already destroyed that argument in later posts. Try to keep up mike.

  56. #656796
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:18 pm, mike.musculus said:

    #144
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 pm, Beukeboom said:
    . . .
    Peter Popoff, etc.
    . . .

    You mean that’s not a bwarney fwank snackfood?

  57. #656801
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:21 pm, mike.musculus said:

    #146
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 pm, chapoutier said:
    Folks, this chap doesnt care that the increased taxes in those poor neighborhoods raised the cost-of-living for the poor!
    Except I have already destroyed that argument in later posts. Try to keep up mike.

    Did you really?

    Maybe in post #210, perhaps…

  58. #656810
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:39 pm, mike.musculus said:

    from a mortgage.

    #142
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 6:25 pm, chapoutier said:
    . . .
    No, but based on that post we have proof positive you are a retard. Not that we needed any more.

    Ah! The secret hate in the Liberal Heart for the handicapped is thus exposed…

    Keep affirming the Truth of Liberalism — from out your heart the pus of your hate fountains…

    oh, wait! You’ve answered that one in post #347 — Sorry! I’ll try to keep up…

  59. #656813
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 pm, chapoutier said:

    mike,

    Maybe you need it spelled out a little more simply. The DC “ballpark fee” is only imposed on the 2,000 (top 4%) wealthiest businesses in DC. There is little chance that many, if any of these 2000 businesses, are serving the poorest communities. They are going to be the K Street type businesses. Hell, about 10% of them are taken up just by lobbying firms bringing in over $5 million, not to mention the law firms, consulting firms, financial advisors… Not too many folks in Anacostia are going to be going to Williams & Connelly for legal advice, nor Patton Boggs for lobbying representation.

    So spare me your concern that the poor black folk in DC are in any way, either directly or indirectly, paying for the stadium.

  60. #656815
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:49 pm, chapoutier said:

    Ah! The secret hate in the Liberal Heart for the handicapped is thus exposed…

    No. But I do hate people that should know better and are disingenuous when presented with actual facts. Tell me, can you point to one FACT that wareagle has cited, or you for that matter, to support the idea that DC’s poorest residents are footing this stadium’s bill? One fact? Just one?

  61. #656818
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:56 pm, mike.musculus said:

    #150 & 151:
    I answered those in later posts… they’re next to yours, #214 & #351 respectively…

    Do try to keep up…

  62. #656822
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 pm, chapoutier said:

    #150 & 151:
    I answered those in later posts… they’re next to yours, #214 & #351 respectively…

    Do try to keep up…

    That is the sound of mike losing the argument.

  63. #656833
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 8:36 pm, mike.musculus said:

    Hahahahaha….

    If wishes were fishes Chap wouldn’t steal…

    Off to Prospector w/the wife!

  64. #656834
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 pm, chapoutier said:

    Hahahahaha….

    If wishes were fishes Chap wouldn’t steal…

    And if silly rhymes were viable arguments mike wouldn’t look dumb.

    (Sorry that wasn’t cute like mike’s)

  65. #656846
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 9:09 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    I didn’t see people sending bags of tea to their local city councils when tax dollars were taken from the middle class and used to support athletic stadiums and tax shelters for athletic teams worth hundreds of millions–sometimes billions of dollars.

    Well here’s a conservative that’s been opposed to them.

    No tea bags but she’s been railing against stadiums forever.

  66. #656863
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 9:32 pm, chapoutier said:

    I finally figured out what that photo reminds me of…It looks like Kyle McLaughlin’s character in Dune.

  67. #656867
    On March 23rd, 2009 at 9:36 pm, chapoutier said:

    Yes…definitely Dune.

  68. #656936
    On March 24th, 2009 at 12:39 am, Entelechy said:

    Timorous Geithner makes mollusks appear vertebrate.

    Obama doesn’t want this Countrywide II to succeed. He has Timmy announce it, let it fail, so that he can fire him and nationalize the banks. Over 400 banks are under the governments purvue now and very few are not. It’s only a matter of time.

  69. #656950
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:29 am, wild thing2 said:

    Great write up Michelle, thank you. I agree totally with what you said. I wish they would leave this all alone but they won’t, they ( Obama ) wants to destroy our country.

  70. #656957
    On March 24th, 2009 at 5:15 am, graysonret said:

    You aren’t going to get any investors coming forward, when they all know inflation is on its way here. Who wants to invest in today’s dollars, only to receive tomorrow’s inflated dollars? My concern is how other countries who have invested in the U.S., especially China, are going to feel being paid back in inflationary dollars? “Thanks for your $1 investment. Here’s your return of 0.75 cents.” We’re going down the same old path again, this time, expecting different results. We used to call that insanity.

  71. #657037
    On March 24th, 2009 at 8:57 am, Misscheryl said:

    U.S. Seeks Expanded Power to Seize Firms
    Goal Is to Limit Risk to Broader Economy

    By Binyamin Appelbaum and David Cho
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Tuesday, March 24, 2009; A01

    The Obama administration is considering asking Congress to give the Treasury secretary unprecedented powers to initiate the seizure of non-bank financial companies, such as large insurers, investment firms and hedge funds, whose collapse would damage the broader economy, according to an administration document

    Gee – I’m sooooo surprised. NOT!

  72. #657086
    On March 24th, 2009 at 9:45 am, wighttrasch said:

    Mua’Dhib chap??

    His name is a killing word!!

  73. #657094
    On March 24th, 2009 at 9:59 am, sonofdy said:

    U.S. Seeks Expanded Power to Seize Firms

    It was only a matter of time. The speed of it is breath taking however. Only lenin moved faster. It took hitler YEARS to get this far.

  74. #657103
    On March 24th, 2009 at 10:13 am, corona said:

    You stay classy, Andy.

    Cuomo won a legal ruling last week that entitles him to publicly identify the bonus recipients. But he held off revealing the names after Liddy said some employees had received threats.

    The attorney general said Monday that he wouldn’t release the names of people who returned their bonuses.

    If a person returns the money, I don’t believe there’s a public interest in releasing their name,” he said.

  75. #657129
    On March 24th, 2009 at 10:39 am, katablog said:

    Here is exactly how Geithner is going to get investors to invest in his toxic asset investment program:I control all companies Note: it’s ALL businesses that Timmy decides threaten the economy. You don’t buy my toxic assets – you threaten the economy.

  76. #657714
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:50 pm, WarEagle82 said:

    Interestingly enough Chappy’s version of the tax situation in DC had some elements of the truth. But, there are serious omissions in his reporting of the facts. And my analysis still stands. Ultimately the good people of DC will pay the the taxes. That is just the way it works.

    All businesses over $3 million were then subject to the tax. (Chappy said $5 mill). There are (or were) about 2,000 such businesses in DC back in 2004. Chappy gave the correct number.

    The price of the stadium was projected at 440 million back in 2004. It actually cost over $600 million. Some say $760 million. Nobody will ever know the true cost as the DC government will bury any costs is wants to hide.

    The DC City Council promised no more taxes on businesses after they agreed to pay for the $440 million. That means any new taxes to make up the difference of $200 million and any new taxes for nearly anything else the city needed would get levied upon or passed on to the good people of DC.

    Leftists like Chappy want to think taxes have no impact on people. That is why idiots like Obama can complain about unemployment one second and then turn around and cause unemployment by taxing businesses the next minute and never think about it twice.

    Corporations don’t pay taxes. People do. Taxes “trickle down” to people in the form of higher costs and lost jobs.

    Look here for details: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45647-2004Sep23.html

    google “nationals stadium dc taxes” for more stories.

  77. #657813
    On March 24th, 2009 at 5:00 pm, chapoutier said:

    All businesses over $3 million were then subject to the tax. (Chappy said $5 mill).

    I said $5 million because it is $5 million. Here is the link for the instructions on the baseball fee tax form. Here is a link to the original legislation. See page 21.

    That means any new taxes to make up the difference of $200 million and any new taxes for nearly anything else the city needed would get levied upon or passed on to the good people of DC.

    Wrong again. The city has other revenue streams from the ball park, including the rent the Nats pay as well as parking fees and other fees collected from people actually going to the stadium.

    Leftists like Chappy want to think taxes have no impact on people.

    No. I fully admit that the people that solicit the richest businesses may be affected, though if you look at how much revenue is being generated it is very small. For a company making $5 million in revenue, the fee amounts to 11 one hundredths of one percent. What I do not claim is that poor black people in the District will be footing the bill.

  78. #659010
    On March 25th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, chapnickname said:

    ….

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