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1. #101
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, zeroangel said:

   b-cat:

   Ah, thank you. I stand corrected.

   ALCON:

   Is there an Artillery Officer or senior NCO in the hiz-ouse??

2. #102
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, chapoutier said:

   sonofdy wasn’t talking about mortars though when he mentioned 25mm practice rounds.

   I am going to go ahead and assume that is a big gun.

3. #103
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm, b-cat said:

   I am going to go ahead and assume that is a big gun.

   In layman’s terms, it’s a reaallly big machine gun.

4. #104
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm, sonofdy said:

   Is there really an epidemic of cows wandering onto the firing range?

   Well the farms get paid above market rates for cows killed on the ranges so… they would encourage the cows to walk onto the ranges.

   Adjusting fire in a walking barrage? Thats expensive on ammo and is not done much any more, but you would add 50 and repeat. It would also probably be danger close and be a high risk of fratricide. Just like FPF missions.
   (final protective fire)
   Its been a few years since I was an active FO (like since 2002) so don’t be suprised in I get a few things wrong.

5. #105
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:45 pm, sonofdy said:

   In layman’s terms, it’s a reaallly big machine gun.

   M1A3 has a 120mm. Rough guess, about twice the size of a .50cal

6. #106
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:47 pm, sonofdy said:

   25mm is mounted on an M2 series or M3 series bradley

   fun to shoot.

7. #107
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:47 pm, zeroangel said:

   Chap:

   I am going to go ahead and assume that is a big gun.

   Actually, as guns go, not so much. the main gun on the M1A1 (the main US battle tank) is 120mm. The .50 caliber machine gun (M2, the one I was talking about on Hummers) is 12.7mm. The auto-cannon on Apache helicopter gunships is 30mm as is the gatling cannon on an A10 “Thunderbolt’” the big funny looking jet with square wings that kills tanks.

8. #108
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:48 pm, zeroangel said:

   *sigh* I was beat to it.

9. #109
   On March 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, chapoutier said:

   So are you saying its bigger or smaller than this?

10. #110
    On March 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, zeroangel said:

    …point is, b-cat is correct. It is indeed a pretty darn big machine gun and will do all kinds of permanment and final damage to a human body (and even various kinds of damage to lightly or unarmored targets). Fortunately for the target, the damage will likely be so grave that death will be fairly quick.

11. #111
    On March 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, ajmontana said:

    chapoutier said:

    Is there really an epidemic of cows wandering onto the firing range?

    Well I haven’t seen Rosie O’fat lately.

12. #112
    On March 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm, zeroangel said:

    Chap:

    Bigger .

13. #113
    On March 24th, 2009 at 12:55 pm, zeroangel said:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M242_Bushmaster

14. #114
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm, rightisright said:

    good work guys, you managed to hi_jack this thread about 1/2 through the 1st 50 postings…,and guess who you reacted to, no! could it be, lgm again?

15. #115
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:12 pm, sonofdy said:

    Thanks. Do I get an award?

16. #116
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:13 pm, zeroangel said:

    rightisright:

    Awesome! Don’t I get some credit for the hi-jacking though?

    NCS this is Zulu-Alpha, negative contact with Hotel-Sierra, out.

17. #117
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:14 pm, b-cat said:

    On March 24th, 2009 at 12:52 pm, chapoutier said:
    So are you saying its bigger or smaller than this?

    Hard to say. There is nothing in the photo to indicate scale.

18. #118
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, zeroangel said:

    sonofdy:

    Thanks. Do I get an award?

    I could write up a recommendation for an AAM but I honestly think the BN CDR will downgrade it to some kind of cheesy certificate on a plaque. How’s that?

19. #119
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, flmom said:

    NCS this is Zulu-Alpha, negative contact with Hotel-Sierra, out.

    There you go again.

20. #120
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:17 pm, zeroangel said:

    flmom:

    *smile*

21. #121
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, chapoutier said:

    good work guys, you managed to hi_jack this thread about 1/2 through the 1st 50 postings…,and guess who you reacted to, no! could it be, lgm again?

    Yes but now instead of just doting on some author, many of us have learned valuable lessons about white phosphorus, cows grazing amok and millimeters. Still not sure what a walking barrage is.

22. #122
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:19 pm, flmom said:

    zeroangel
    I know, you couldn’t resist.

23. #123
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm, flmom said:

    chapoutier
    And mentally eliminated lgm and Ilovemycountry. All in all, a good day.

24. #124
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, b-cat said:

    Still not sure what a walking barrage is.

    It’s a massive barrage, that starts at one point and “walks” to a further point, blasting pretty much everything in between. Used alot in WWI.

25. #125
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm, zeroangel said:

    flmom:

    It’s just so incredibly tempting! I can only endure personal attacks and jabs for so long.

    /me is human, and tries very hard to be polite.

    Chap:

    A walking barrage is basically when you “walk” rounds to a target. That is, you keep firing and adjusting after each round in the same increment. The observer then basically tells you if you are getting closer or not.

    In any case, who cares if we totally hi-jacked the thread, this is fun and kinda like a chat-line, except slower, and SFW.

26. #126
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:25 pm, zeroangel said:

    …and what b-cat said. That’s really a more accurate description as I don’t think they are used much these days.

27. #127
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, sonofdy said:

    They are called walking barrages because our soldiers would walk in behind them. You kill alot of your own that way, which is why we don’t use them.

    It is also a way of adjusting fire but you would be using single rounds.

28. #128
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:27 pm, b-cat said:

    That’s really a more accurate description as I don’t think they are used much these days.

    Don’t need it much when you can send a robot bomb to fly in the bathroom window and explode behind the tv set.

29. #129
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, zeroangel said:

    b-cat:

    Indeed. Robots are f*cking awesome. I’ll bet that not even Chuck Norris could kick a robot’s a$$.

30. #130
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, sonofdy said:

    It was away to try to get arround the whole charging into the teeth of mutliple machine gun fire thing. There is a reason it cost the british about a million and a half causalities to win 6 miles in 1916.

31. #131
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:31 pm, zeroangel said:

    Any of you guys gamers?

    Have I mentioned my love affair (much to my wife’s chagrin) with the following:

    http://www.battlegroundeurope.com/

    ?

32. #132
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm, b-cat said:

    Any of you guys gamers?

    Yeah, mainly the old Avalon Hill board games. I will be looking for something else soon as my opponent is moving to Asia.

33. #133
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:39 pm, zeroangel said:

    b-cat:

    Well, it isn’t a board game and you will need a fairly decent computer (though not a very expensive gaming rig) to run BE, but it really is worth a look. It is very probably the most accurate, immersive, and detailed WWII sim out there.

34. #134
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:41 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On March 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am, lgm said:
    Some supposed intellectuals have an ability to manufacture endless streams of bogus crap.

    you should know…

35. #135
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm, CWinNY said:

    Sonofdy,

    I read an interesting history of WWI where the author advanced the theory that the main reason for all the slaughter in that war was a result of weapons technology outpacing communications technology. Planners used to have very precise battle plans with movements timed down to the second where the artillery was to advance just beyond the advancing soldiers. It is where the synchronization of watches began.

    Unfortunately, artillerymen always erred on the side of stopping slightly early, and aiming “high”, with the inevitable result of the artillery barrage getting “away” from the foot soldiers and allowing the enemy to come up out of the deep bomb shelters and man the machine guns (and also giving time for the guys in the second and third line of trenches to rush to the front line in time to repulse the attack).
    Neither the Allies nor Germans were able to overcome this problem with both suffering massive casualties as a result. The problem was solved with walkie-talkies, which came into use after the war.

36. #136
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:44 pm, CWinNY said:

    To get back to the main point of this blog post: if anyone wants to buy Mark Levin’s book, better order it now – Rush is pushing this book hard and if you wait there won’t be any available (back order).

37. #137
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:47 pm, zeroangel said:

    No, no, see, we aren’t supposed to get back on topic. This one has been purposely and thoroughly derailed. Just go with the flow man…

38. #138
    On March 24th, 2009 at 1:50 pm, dadinseattle said:

    When Mark Levin speaks, I listen.
    He grew up with a voracious appetite for the history of this country. He has very little patience for morons, and cares deeply about preserving liberty.
    When he says the Democrats in charge now are Marxists, and have formed a “soft tyranny” you better believe it.
    Democrats will be afraid of this book as it points out how they are willing to be obedient and capitulate their freedom in exchange for someone freeing them from worry or responsibility.
    America is a great country because they chose liberty over tyranny right from the start.
    Thank you Mark Levin!

39. #139
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:02 pm, traveler49 said:

    Mark Levin also wrote a great book for dog lovers. My Golden retriever passed away shortly before his dog died and his book really touched me.

    I intend to get his new book. He is often funny and serious at the same time with a lot of intensity. He was great at the MRC Dishonors awards last week and it is probably available at youtube.

40. #140
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:04 pm, Grayson said:

    Had it preordered on Amazon and it is on its way. Looking forward to it.

41. #141
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:05 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    Liberty and Tyranny is really getting ripped on some of the Left Wing news sites–I wonder if the fools have really read it.

    oh and I just violated the Geneva Convention by using WP on people

    You have evidence they are people? Some sissies were all upset with napalm too–it got our little infantry butt out of more than one ugly situation. I wanted to use Napalm and Willy Pete on Grant Park, Chicago in 1968 but the Army wouldn’t listen to me.

    A walking barrage does take so planning-used primarily to facilitate a move up or pull back. It was used in Khe Sahn to TRAP the NVA. They would start outside and walk in–The NVA either stood and took it, ran to the outside where air power got them or charge the wire and let the Marines Artillery, claymores, machine guns and rifles greet the lads. I wish I was there but I was down in the A Shau at the time. But I guess the Marines could handle it without me.

42. #142
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, lgm said:

    Like Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, etc. If you look at the things Levin actually says, one by one, many are ridiculous. Let’s have a thread about what Levin says rather than fantasies involving high caliber bullets meeting annoying bloggers.

    Libby was convicted of a crime and spared jail time because the President was a political supporter of his. Otherwise, he would have been a common criminal, not a political prisoner.

43. #143
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, ErinF said:

    Mark Levin is the S-E-X-I-E-S-T man alive! All those metrosexual waif males in hollyweird (pitt, damon, affleck, bloom, cruise et al) couldn’t hold a candle to him if they tried collectively.

44. #144
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:10 pm, JimC214 said:

    M242 Bushmaster – Are you talking about this 25 MM weapon.

45. #145
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:13 pm, zeroangel said:

    LGM:

    Well, talking about high caliber weapons is kinda kewl. Personally, I honestly do not wish you death.

    In any case, I said my piece in #19 re. Libby.

46. #146
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:16 pm, wighttrasch said:

    So, set up a blog & point out the Coulter, Limbaugh, & Levin stuff ‘one by one’ and show us whassup.

    We can handle this like gentlemen, or we can get into some mf gangsta sh!t.

47. #147
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:20 pm, chapoutier said:

    Mark Levin is the S-E-X-I-E-S-T man alive!

    Hmmm…

48. #148
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:21 pm, zeroangel said:

    wighttrasch:

    Speaking for myself, I think you know my issues with Coulter, we spoke about them before.

    Levin, as I said above, it’s mainly his style I dislike; though I am sure he has probably said something I would object to as well, I just can’t think of anything right now.

49. #149
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, CWinNY said:

    lgm,

    If you look at what you say, it is all ridiculous. Try posting something other than Republicans/conservatives are bad/evil/racists/homophobes. And, once in a while, try actually providing something factual with links and such instead of your ridiculous, unfounded, opinions.

50. #150
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, wighttrasch said:

    well, zero, ‘s all good. I was actually directing that post to lgm.

51. #151
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:25 pm, zeroangel said:

    wighttrasch:

    It’s kewl bro. I am just trying to hi-jack the dogsh|t out of this thread, because you know, afterall, that’s what I do, being a troll and all.

52. #152
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:26 pm, chapoutier said:

    well, zero, ’s all good. I was actually directing that post to lgm.

    zero was just a proverbial cow wandering onto your proverbial practice range.

53. #153
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, zeroangel said:

    Heh.

    Dead cow… yummy.

54. #154
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:28 pm, rocketman said:

    ***
    As the Immortal Bard said–Mark Levin doesn’t SUFFER FOOLS GLADLY! His analysis of political news and motives is always very good. He has a very good historical and Constitutional knowledge and is usually right.
    ***
    His book about his dog Sprite shows his good heart.
    ***
    A good man–I missed him on T.V. yesterday, but will buy his book soon. It should be a good CONTINUING PATRIOTIC EDUCATION read.
    ***
    John Bibb
    ***

55. #155
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, wighttrasch said:

    I don’t expect it to respond…he was just on another thread, making my head explode & causing me to nearly vomit with rage.

56. #156
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, zeroangel said:

    wighttrasch:

    he was just on another thread

    Which one was that?

57. #157
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:35 pm, wighttrasch said:

    …He’s one step away from using the logic of Sir Bedevere.

    Without the intentional satire.

58. #158
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:36 pm, wighttrasch said:

    lol-zero

    his comment was on the ‘human achievement’ thread….

59. #159
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:37 pm, zeroangel said:

    “…and that is how we know the earth to be banana-shaped.”

60. #160
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:41 pm, wighttrasch said:

    bloody peasant.

61. #161
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:54 pm, corkie said:

    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, lgm said:

    Libby was convicted of a crime and spared jail time because the President was a political supporter of his. Otherwise, he would have been a common criminal, not a political prisoner.

    Please explain why Clinton wasn’t convicted for obstruction of justice after he was impeached.

62. #162
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:56 pm, Socky said:

    If you look at the things Levin actually says, one by one, many are ridiculous.

    Like what?

63. #163
    On March 24th, 2009 at 2:58 pm, ErinF said:

    Hmmm…

    Yeah, yeah… I guess I should explain that I’ve always been one to see beauty the inside, not the outside. I guess that’s why most of today’s hollyweird looks so frigging ugly to me.

    Mark’s a turn-on.

64. #164
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, wighttrasch said:

    Socky–tried that.

    My guess is he wants some gangsta sh*t.

65. #165
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:03 pm, Elm Creek Smith said:

    On March 24th, 2009 at 12:11 pm, sonofdy said:
    about right. Its been a few years. For example you don’t really need to say grid, but this would get a fire mission out there.

    oh and I just violated the geneva convention by using WP on people. Shake and bake missions are used on equipment and buildings. Break them up and set them on fire. But what the hell. Its ilovemycountry so I figured nobody here is going to report me

    That’s why we usually didn’t waste time adjusting fire, we just called IMMEDIATE SUPPRESSION missions. We got a mix of HE QUICK/WP. It was designed to block the enemy’s view of us and rattle his eyeballs. That gave us time to traverse and engage with HEAT-MP. “Big baddaboom!”

    ECS
    CPT, AR
    US Army (Ret.)

66. #166
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:05 pm, zeroangel said:

    “Big baddaboom!”

    Anyone else want to negotiate?

67. #167
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:27 pm, sonofdy said:

    IMMEDIATE SUPPRESSION

    I know, I was just streching it out, for fun.

    If you look at the things Levin actually says, one by one, many are ridiculous.

    Maybe we would. If you actualy cited something he said. Instead of bringing up libby.

68. #168
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:28 pm, rightisright said:

    Yes but now instead of just doting on some author, many of us have learned valuable lessons about white phosphorus, cows grazing amok and millimeters. Still not sure what a walking barrage is.

    My mistake, I did not know the intent of the thread was to educate posters/readers about white phosphorus, cows grazing amok and millimeters…instead of doting “on some author”…that how you see Mark Levin, chap? One of the more prominent “conservative” figures at this time, as the country is in dire disarray. My mistake guys, have it, I’m sure our hostess greatly appreciates you enlightening us all on subjects other than thread topic.

69. #169
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:31 pm, zeroangel said:

    rightisright:

    Come on dude, lighten up. Having a slew of off-topic posts every once in awhile doesn’t take away from this website, it adds to it. This is especially true of a string of posts amounting to military camaraderie.

70. #170
    On March 24th, 2009 at 3:36 pm, rightisright said:

    zeroangel, I did say…”My mistake guys, have it”…gotta to run, so have a good time.

71. #171
    On March 24th, 2009 at 5:21 pm, corona said:

    I wish he ‘fessed up to how he fed the flames of the DPW fiasco.

72. #172
    On March 24th, 2009 at 6:09 pm, lgm said:

    corkie said (#161):

    Please explain why Clinton wasn’t convicted for obstruction of justice after he was impeached.

    Being impeached is like being indicted, the person is accused of a crime and there’s a trial. Clinton was impeached and tried by the House of Representatives but not convicted. On the other hand, Libby was tried and convicted.

    In the eyes of the law, the bad thing Clinton did was not as bad as the bad thing Libby did. Specifically, Clinton lied about a romantic encounter between him and another consenting adult. Libby lied about a matter of national security — the identity of a possible covert CIA operative. Revealing that Valerie Plame had been a covert operative supposedly caused some of her contacts to be killed. (I don’t know whether this is true, but it indicates the seriousness of the offense.)

    sonofdy said (#167):

    If you look at the things Levin actually says, one by one, many are ridiculous.

    Maybe we would. If you actualy cited something he said. Instead of bringing up libby.

    I gave the Libby statement as an example of something silly Levin had said (Short attention span there, Sonny). I’m sure that if you read his stuff, much of it will be this silly.

73. #173
    On March 25th, 2009 at 9:48 am, DBNinKY said:

    Clinton was impeached and tried by the House of Representatives but not convicted.

    Difference being, the jury was fixed for Clinton, and tainted against Libby: Republicans held a slim majority then, and the media was pushing hard for Clinton’s exoneration while convicting Libby in their news and editorial pages daily.

    And you’re neglecting to mention that there was hard evidence to prove Clinton’s guilt (the blue dress and the misleading testimony) while the same is not true for Libby.

74. #174
    On March 25th, 2009 at 9:57 am, DBNinKY said:

    Libby was convicted of a crime and spared jail time because the President was a political supporter of his.

    1.) A constitutional power afforded the President and one I’m sure you’ll appreciate once Obama starts using it to help many, many of his supporters.

    2.) Just what “irrefutable” evidence was presented to convict Libby? You haven’t been clear on that.

    3.) That you bring up this unrelated topic proves you’re only trying to incite us, like a paid GOP plant would.

75. #175
    On March 25th, 2009 at 10:11 am, GraniteMan said:

    My copy is due to be delivered Friday—Can’t wait.

76. #176
    On March 25th, 2009 at 10:14 am, GraniteMan said:

    On March 25th, 2009 at 9:57 am, DBNinKY said:
    1.) A constitutional power afforded the President and one I’m sure you’ll appreciate once Obama starts using it to help many, many of his supporters.

    Bet the first one will be a Mr. Bill Ayers

77. #177
    On March 25th, 2009 at 2:43 pm, Right By-The-Sea said:

    If it weren’t for people such as Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, and Ann Coulter, we conservatives would be under the threat of being completely “silenced.” These people, along with others like them, are heroes and heroines. God bless them. God bless all of us who are true conservatives.