Hatch dedicates $6 billion GIVE/SERVE boondoggle to Kennedy; plus: mandatory service study lives!
God save us from bipartisanship, part 99,995,857. GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch, co-sponsor of the $6 billion GIVE/SERVE boondoggle, has dedicated the Big Government Trojan Horse to Ted Kennedy:
Sen. Orrin Hatch capped his decadeslong friendship with cancer-stricken Sen. Ted Kennedy on Thursday with a gesture that had Kennedy hugging him as other senators stood and applauded: Hatch renamed a bill they had just passed to expand national service programs the Edward M. Kennedy National Service Law.
“It is a great honor to be able to add the name of a very good friend and senator, one of the most distinguished of all-time, to this bill,” Hatch told the Senate. “We expect this to multiply into 7 million volunteers, and to call it the Edward M. Kennedy bill is a great honor for all of us.”
Ironically, when Hatch first ran for the Senate back in 1976, he said he was running so he could go to Washington and fight Kennedy. But they managed to become close friends — and worked on many bills through the years trying to bridge interests between liberals and conservatives.
About their, perhaps, last bill together, Hatch said, “It marries what is typically thought of as a ‘liberal’ instinct for government to make proactive efforts to help those in need with the typical ‘conservative’ desire to place more power in the hands of individuals instead of the government.”
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On a related note, the congressional push to study a mandatory service requirement was dropped from the GIVE/SERVE package, but is part of a stand-alone bill to establish the “Congressional Commission on Civic Service.”
It’s HR 1444:
To establish the Congressional Commission on Civic Service to study methods of improving and promoting volunteerism and national service, and for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the ‘Congressional Commission on Civic Service Act’.SEC. 2. FINDINGS.
Congress finds the following:(1) The social fabric of the United States is stronger if individuals in the United States are committed to protecting and serving our Nation by utilizing national service and volunteerism to overcome our
civic challenges.(2) A more engaged civic society will strengthen the Nation by bringing together people from diverse backgrounds and experiences to work on solutions to some of our Nation’s major challenges.
(3) Despite declines in civic health in the past 30 years, national service and volunteerism among the Nation’s youth are increasing, and existing national service and volunteer programs greatly enhance opportunities for youth to engage in civic activity.
(4) In addition to the benefits received by nonprofit organizations and society as a whole, volunteering and national service provide a variety of personal benefits and satisfaction and can lead to new paths of civic engagement, responsibility, and upward mobility.
SEC. 3. ESTABLISHMENT.
There is established in the legislative branch a commission to be known as the ‘Congressional Commission on Civic Service’ (in this Act referred to as the ‘Commission’).
SEC. 4. DUTIES.
(a) General Purpose- The purpose of the Commission is to gather and analyze information in order to make recommendations to Congress to–
(1) improve the ability of individuals in the United States to serve others and, by doing so, to enhance our Nation and the global community;
(2) train leaders in public service organizations to better utilize individuals committed to national service and volunteerism as they manage human and fiscal resources;
(3) identify and offer solutions to the barriers that make it difficult for some individuals in the United States to volunteer or perform national service; and
(4) build on the foundation of service and volunteer opportunities that are currently available.
(b) Specific Topics- In carrying out its general purpose under subsection (a), the Commission shall address and analyze the following specific topics:
(1) The level of understanding about the current Federal, State, and local volunteer programs and opportunities for service among individuals in the United States.
(2) The issues that deter volunteerism and national service, particularly among young people, and how the identified issues can be overcome.
(3) Whether there is an appropriate role for Federal, State, and local governments in overcoming the issues that deter volunteerism and national service and, if appropriate, how to expand the relationships and partnerships between different levels of government in promoting volunteerism and national service.
(4) Whether existing databases are effective in matching community needs to would-be volunteers and service providers.(5) The effect on the Nation, on those who serve, and on the families of those who serve, if all individuals in the United States were expected to perform national service or were required to perform a certain amount of national service.
(6) Whether a workable, fair, and reasonable mandatory service requirement for all able young
people could be developed, and how such a requirement could be implemented in a manner that would strengthen the social fabric of the Nation and overcome civic challenges by bringing together people from diverse economic, ethnic, and educational backgrounds.(7) The need for a public service academy, a 4-year institution that offers a federally funded undergraduate education with a focus on training future public sector leaders.
(8) The means to develop awareness of national service and volunteer opportunities at a young age by creating, expanding, and promoting service options for primary and secondary school students and by raising awareness of existing incentives.
(9) The effectiveness of establishing a training program on college campuses to recruit and educate college students for national service.
(10) The effect on United States diplomacy and foreign policy interests of expanding service opportunities abroad, such as the Peace Corps, and the degree of need and capacity abroad for an expansion.
(11) The constraints that service providers, nonprofit organizations, and State and local agencies face in utilizing federally funded volunteer programs, and how these constraints can be overcome.
(12) Whether current Federal volunteer programs are suited to address the special skills and needs of senior volunteers, and if not, how these programs can be improved such that the Federal government can effectively promote service among the ‘baby boomer’ generation.
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Please do not confuse Hatch with a conservative.
Yeah, only the MSM does that.
Will somebody replace the word “Conservative” in the first article with the word republican please?
As for HR1444 that is some scary stuff. And when the radical left is well financed, well trained and well armed just like the military … and set loose among the general populace?
Somehow I doubt we will have to worry about the protesters but that is because they will now be the ones in charge.
I bow to no man! I wear no uniform other than the one I wore in the Army and I refuse to serve this new “service”.
Will the terrorists being released from Gitmo on American soil and on the welfare roles here be “allowed” to serve this country as well?
You beat me to it!
Gad, the only gesture I’d have for Ted wouldn’t be reciprocated by a hug. And if for some reason he DID hug me, I’d have to burn my clothes and scrub down in a hot shower for and hour.
Hatch has been in the Senate way too long.
Ummmm…I don’t think these words have the same meaning for Hatch as they do for me. Did he read the freakin’ bill?!?!?
never mind
You get to operate your government mandated automotive seat cushion flotation device yourself?
When I look at Orrin Hatch and most Republicans of the last 40 years I realize how few conservatives there really were. It is amazing that the present day destruction of the economy and the Constitution did not happen long before now. The only reason we made it this far is Ronald Reagan, otherwise the Left would have buried us long ago.
So, has the Left blamed Rush yet?
Both Hatch and Kennedy are great arguments for term limits.
This is getting beyond scary.
Any provision (or loopholes) for getting my grand kids out of serving? I just can’t picture the little darlings goose stepping down main street in the next 4th of July parade (I would normally refer to it as the Independence Day Parade, but I don’t think we’ll be allowed to celebrate our Independence much longer).
Went to Walmart to get some ammo today.. People are still stocking up..
Slavery lives.
Whoever comes to take my sons won’t.
My 3 grandsons are ages 5, 2 and almost born at this time. They will not be serving in anything they don’t willingly volunteer for. Period. It is comforting to know my daughters feel the same way I do. Our only hope is the 2010 election. We MUST take our country back!
If anyone tries to force anybody’s children into service, it’s going to make what happened during the L.A. riots look like a schoolyard fight..
The Walmart close to me doesn’t even stock 12 gauge 00…rarely find 357 shells, have to settle for 38 +jhp’s
Can you still say that? I thought the new term was “bromance”.
mandatory service = slavery
If any of you ever served in the military, you know, exactly, what I mean, by asking,”volunteering”? We all know what happens when they ask for “volunteers”.
Today, with this news, was the day I will admonish anyone who refers to me as a Republican. Hatch, you royal piece of material hanging from my cat’s butt, resign your party affiliation.
Oh come on!
They’re not even trying now – that is, word-for-word, the exact same text from 1388!
– MuscleDaddy
I hope you are right and I hope we can!
BTW .44 slugs, 240 grain, full metal jacket coming out the barrel about 1280 fps. Home made
“We expect this to multiply into
7 million volunteersBillions and Billions more in wasted taxpayer dollars, and to call it the Edward M. Kennedy bill isa great honor for all of uspefectly fitting of such massive waste.”FIXED
Solution? Load your own. Particularly important with the talk of traceable ammo and components. Now’s the time to buy.
Although the cost of bullets and powder have gone through the roof. I bought some .243 and .284 bullets the other day and they were near $30 for a hundred. And loaded shells were between $35 and $50 for a box of 20. And brass (if you can find it) is almost a buck a shell. Supply and demand.
Curious as to what some takes here on Israel’s mandatory military service requirement.
Would people here brand that as slavery?
FWIW, I would object to the idea of mandatory service of any kind. I resented having to do it for high school graduation.
Didn’t I read here or HA that ted had gobs of pork things named after him? Now a rino wants to dedicate this bill to him! We will soon see who gets their face on Mt. Rushmore, bho or ted.
BTW, my post has nothing to do with his illness, I just don’t happen to like him.
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Great description, David! I can’t believe I am actually related to that crapweasel! And I used to be proud of that (years ago).
Liberal Translation=White folks need not apply.
Not Over.
*Would have been more appropriate for Hatch to name a certain bridge after Kennedy, with the plaque quotation, “you go for a swim, and the lights go dim”.
*And what pray tell does Michael Steele Wool have to say of this new law; Is he in favor of slavery?; Have we come full circle, but now it is okay?
No Chap. We would brand that as self defense against terrorists living on their borders and trying every day to wipe them off the map.
I don’t even know where to begin, but this caught my eye:
And just who is going to determine this effect? And just who is going to ENFORCE this if they find it to be “effective?” At what age would this begin and how much would be demanded?
And what are they going to do to me when I tell them to go to hell?
I’m dumbfounded, but not surprised. Not anymore.
Happscrapper, if it means anything,we can never choose our heritage just our friends and tastes. Hatch should be proud of your affiliation with him and concerned how he has disappointed you.
Look. I get their situation. I don’t know if they could sustain a volunteer army in the levels they need, I will trust them that the conscription is necessary. But I am not hearing here:
“Mandatory service is slavery unless …”
Wouldn’t you consider that a very slippery slope?
Locked and loaded, folks. As I said elsewhere, THIS is the line they will wish they never crossed.
They’ll pay the ultimate price or I will.
THIS is not ISRAEL.
In this country, they are slipping this crap past us in SPITE of our wishes. This is AGAINST all our will.
THIS is INVOLUNTARY servitude. What part don’t you get?
So the morality of mandatory service is relative?
Many in Israel have to join against their wishes, or go to jail.
I guess the part I don’t get is how you are differentiating between us and them. Is it merely appropriate as a matter of national security? I ask again if you think that is a slippery slope?
Sound familiar these days? John Madison, 1792.
The difference is the Constitution.
Thanks, David. Fortunately, he is only an eighth cousin, once removed! He goes back to the one Mormon ancestor way back in the 1700’s. I descended from that Mormon’s brother. I have a letter from that ancestor to his Mormon brother, informing him of their father’s death and completely reaming him out for being a Mormon. It didn’t sit very well with the rest of the family! Anyway, Orin Hatch has changed over the years as so many others have done as they have stayed in DC too long and become isolated from their constituents. Career politicians are worthless!
Is there enough rope left in this country to solve this problem with these politicians? I doubt it, but it’s worth a try.
But the Constitution should be a reflection of our principles, not be the source of them, no? So just saying that it is in the Constitution doesn’t really address whether or not you think it is appropriate in Israel.
It is merely appropriate as a matter of national security. Yes…! No slippery slope about it.
Chap
Outside of an imminent threat to the security of the nation then yes I do think mandatory service of any kind is slavery. Military draft during times of WAR may be needed but must be eliminated as soon as the war (Declared War) is over. On top of it all what type of activities will you be volunteered for, what if they are in violation of my religious beliefs.
I was called an idiot for making a post here a few days ago about how the US could be labeled a socialist nation during the years 1942-1945; and how that “worked”. The point I was trying to make was that socialism will “work”, but only with tremendous sacrifice on the part of the people. I think all nations are somewhat socialistic to some degree. Mandatory service in the military (draft) or any other type of organization is socialistic in nature. Whether that aspect of socialism is necessary for the nation to survive or not, is besides the point; it is still socialism. It could be argued that without the draft, the US would not have survived the threats that the Axis represented during WWII.
The reason for making this post is to make the point that I’m not sure that the people of the US will be willing to continue down the path of socialism when they come to realize the extent of sacrifice they will be expected to make. In other words, when the bill for Pee Wee Obama’s Big Adventure comes due, will they be willing to pay it.
Exactly! And, by the way, Israel is in a constant state of alert, as they have enemies completely surrounding them at all times.
Okay. So crazy thought here. Say Obama and Congress passed a law conscripting every 18 year old to man the US/ Mexican border for a year.
Would you support that? Or at least not consider it involuntary servitude?
A lot of Obama’s lemmings will be happy to serve in his army and wear a shiny new uniform. I’m sure they think they will have a bully pulpit then. Yeah, lots of them will take to this readily! It is up to the rest of our youth to RESIST!
I will take my kids and leave if this becomes law. It is clearly unconstitutional and antithetical to the ideals this nation was founded upon. Of course, none of that matters to the current bunch of idiots in the Senate on either side of the aisle.
I guess I better learn to speak Canadian…
I do not believe that the raises to the level of a Declared War so no I dont agree with doing that. There is currently enough active/reserve and Guard to do the job. And again what he wants to do with this civial service is hardly comparable to the activities of the military.
And for those of you that contend that there are no sections currently requiring mandatory service…. why would they want to study the feasibility of requiring just that?
So you see, they DO in fact want it. And if they can get it, they’ll make it happen. Protect your children people.
Since we are pretty much at war with illegals and the drug-running thugs, I might support something like that, ONLY if our drafted soldiers are able to carry weapons and USE them without fear of prison. And ONLY if there was an alternative to that particular duty…some other community service of the draftee’s choice (Red Cross, etc.) I’m still not sure about that, but would consider the possibility if certain criteria are met.
Funny my relatives left Canada to escape this kind of thought.
This inbred club-like atmosphere is not the best thing for Americans.
Had he actually fought Kennedy along the way we would not be in the predicament we now find ourselves in.
Not a happy day.
Happyscrapper,
I know one young man who was very idealistic, liberal tendencies, etc. He volunteered for Habitat for Humanity, spent a couple weekends working on a house. Came time to give the keys to the new homeowners and they (new homeowners) showed up in a brand new Suburban with the spinning wheels, low profile tires, and other “automotive bling”. After determining that the car was indeed the new owners car, he had a different opinion of the worthiness of his recent efforts. As he put it: they spent more on their wheels than my car is worth.
What’s the point? A lot of youth who are forced into this service will get to see firsthand some of the inefficiencies and bureaucratic inanities that exist in all governments. It might be enough to open some eyes – we can only hope.
Observing the morons we have in DC, maybe this is need–but I don’t think so. Give me any number of graduates of state and private schools who have developed some plain-speaking common sense, and we’ll be fine. A four-year college to teach people how to keep other people in poverty? Great. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson will be tenured heads of departments.
I agree. And again, I would not support any sort of mandatory service requirement.
CWinNy,
The “Section 8″ housing about a mile from my house has some of the finest cars in town. Hummers, Pick-ups all jacked up 2-3 ft., Acuras, Caddys, you name it. Money for wheels, tattoos, and name brand cigarettes, but no money for school lunch or to buy a home.
Yes, that could be a “plus”. Our kids today really don’t “get it”. I am not totally against the idea of one year of service to your country after high school and before college. BUT, there would have to be some restrictions and conditions met and some payment attached, like our military gets. This would not be servitude, but a paid one-year service to our country. That I could support and it might be good for our kids. I would also support a mandatory class to teach the history of our Republic and the incredible things we have done for the world before a kid can graduate. No exceptions. You take the class and pass a test with high score, or take in over until you get it right!
WarEagle82,
Where do plan on emigrating to? Canada is way more socialistic than the US (although we are trying to catch up and surpass them it seems). You should check out the Hate Crimes commissions up there, and some of the Orwellian judgments they have made recently. Australia and NZ are more socialistic in some ways than the US. This is the last, best hope for individual liberty and freedom in the world (at least to my knowledge). We have to fight back and try to roll back some (or all) of this insanity. I am encouraged by some of the trends (in the general population – not Washington) I have observed lately. I can only hope these trends accelerate and result in conservatives re-establishing some adult supervision in Washington.
chap, give the conscription line a rest please. Israel has imminent national security threats on every border and not enough population to staff a volunteer army. The US can easily defend the Mexican border with voluntary immigration officers and the National Guard if necessary.
Conscription for border defense wouldn’t even be on the radar unless national security were at stake. I don’t see it.
At any rate this is not about military service, its about community service. Seperate issues.
Good post…you said it all.
No. It is about mandatory service. Type is irrelevant. And I am A-okay with someone thinking that Israel’s mandatory military service is fine because of national security. I would tend to agree. But that is a big ol’ caveat to some of the blanket statements being made here.
The Constitution IS a reflection of my principles. I do not believe that the Constitution should change with the times. It should be in tune with more permanent morality, rather than in tune with the whims and changing mores of whatever era you live in.
The Constitution should always be more than situational ethics.
Throw out the Constitution and we become no more than the French society that spawned the Terror.
Another point about comparing military service to community service: just about everyone will agree to loss of freedom and liberty (in other words accepting some of the tenets of socialism) in order to ensure survival of their nation. Cases in point: Israel and the US in WWII. This is the main reason for the Obama administration constantly talking about the threat to this nation from the current “crisis and/or catastrophe”. They are using the politics of fear (never let a good crisis go to waste).
There does not exist (yet) a threat to our economic or national security that warrants this nonsense.
O.K. Chap…the only MANDATORY service should be for national security. O.K??? How hard is that? The TYPE of mandatory service IS relevant. Geez.
I presume, now that the bill is named after Kennedy, it’ll provide loads of money to rehab alcoholic murderers.
I agree.
Did anyone hear about this in the bill!
The GIVE Act has 12 amendments. The one I am outraged over is House Amendment 49. It reads: “H.Amdt49 Pass Amendment to prohibit organizations from attempting to influence legislation; organize or engage in protests, petitions, boycotts, or strikes; and assist, promote, or deter union organizing.”
If I read that right, your First Amendment rights of Free Speech just were legislated out the door.
I don’t see mandatory military service for the defense of the nation as comparable to mandatory service designed to overcome “civic challenges.” More importantly, I don’t think is constitutional.
Our goverment is constitutionally bound to provide for the common defense, not for “overcoming civic challenges.”
So when we mustered Americans in support of WWII, was that slavery? THAT’S the question? As if that somehow compares to forcing people to “national service” to go pick up trash in a park?
We agree, as Americans, to what our Constitution provides. It nowhere mandates any kind of service “AmeriCorps style” so the imposition of it is, in my opinion, tyrannous. It does, on the other hand, obligate the Federal government to provide for the common defense.
Military conscription is acceptable but only in cases of national emergency. Mandatory community service is not acceptable, or necessary under any circumstances. Type is relevant. Ask Dan Rather about the TANG memos. Oops, semantic disjunction.
No what I think that is saying actually addresses one of ther main concerns here-that this could just be a backdoor to recruiting a bunch of little politicos.
It says that if you are an organization that is a beneficiary of this program, you can’t be involved in political activity, because that would be inappropriate. It says nothing about any individual’s rights.
This %#$^@ is positively burning me up! I don’t want my 8 grandkids conscripted into this horrible socialist mess! And did you catch the bit about coming up with things to conscript grandparents to do?
I’ve worked all my life. After my kids graduated, I looked forward to being able to sleep past 6 in the morning, but no such luck. First I got conscripted to take care of my mother, who had Alzheimer’s, and then, after 5 endless months, when she passed away, I was chosen to take care of my handicapped brother. I’m 61. The last thing I need is for my government to decide that it can squeeze a little more work out of me before nationalized health care manages to kill me.
This is incredible. I never thought I’d see anything like it in the USA.
Major O.
I generally agree. My only objection were some of the blanket statements here saying that “mandatory service = slavery!” I think that if anyone thought all the way through that statement, they would see that they probably wouldn’t agree with it.
Anyway, ’nuff said on that.
#70 I don’t know what cracker jacks box you received you JD but, you really should ask for a refund!
If the Constitutional Republic survives until 2010, we’ll have a brief window of opportunity to save it. After that, I fear the damage will be irreversible. The Federal Government is in gross violation of the Constitution in so many areas. (imho) The present ruling class MUST be replaced- all House Reps., and 1/3 of the Senate (I realize some districts and some states are hopeless at present). However, we must begin now to find, fund, support and vote for true loyalists to the U.S. Constitution. Get involved on your local and state levels to help recruit candidates for the 2010 primaries to challenge all incumbents and give voters a choice.
Yeh, attribute everything controversial to the next democratic congressman who’s going to kick off
This is nothing but bondage to the state and those that support it are no better than the Fascist thugs we defeated in 1930s and 40s. This poor sick Republic is heading into the abyss.
Chap – Most times a blanket statement on this site is written out of frustration at an overall event. It is not meant to be taken as fact for every instance. You probably know that.
mandatory service == slavery only if there was not an a priori agreement where the people gave the government that power. I think THAT’S what folks that are saying “mandatory service == slavery” mean.
If we knew, on the basis of its inclusion in the Constitution, that the goverment retained the power to “conscript” you to whatever purpose it deemed, then I would say it isn’t tyrannous.
In any event, my issue isn’t with the blanket statements here; it’s with the idea of mandatory service to overcome “civic challenges.”
You mean, like ACORN is non-political? Riiiight.
I guess one that actually taught me how to properly read legislation. They want to make sure these kids are working at actual charities, not for political organizations or unions or whatever. Agree or disagree with the legislation, but you have to think that this is a good restriction.
Technically. Yeah yeah. I know. But I do think there is a provision in there preventing one from serving in any organization indicted for voting fraud. At least in one version I saw.
Hold the fort, wouldn’t it have to be man and Woman? equal rights yes?
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Anyway, this whole enchilada has be baffled.
it’s nuts, absolutely nuts.
Read it all the way to the bottom. Baby boomers will be required to report, also.
CWinNY,
Well, Canada might be a first stop. Then we would have to consider where we would eventually end up. These Marxists aren’t getting my kids to indoctrinate them.
Hatch, McCain and their ilk should go find a quiet place to spend their dotage. We need a new conservative party who will return America to constitutional principles and the rule of law.
Happy – Just a clarification. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, aka Mormon, was not organized until 1830. There were no Mormons in the 1700s.
Chap – Of course the type of service is relevent. Sheesh. I should only have to correct you once a day… so this is that once. Don’t be wrong again today!
“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Name that tune.
During my 30+yrs in the USAF, I often found I had volunteered for this-or-that… I realized early in my career that I volunteered more often at meetings I missed.
#80 they’re mandating that they can’t be involved with any protest, boycotts or here’s the best one deter unions trying to organize.
IT IS A VIOLATION OF NOT ONLY YOUR 13TH BUT, YOUR 1ST AMENDMENTS.
Again, I would ask for a refund! I also highly doubt you have a JD. Just from experience.
Pfft, All you have to look at is Barack Obamas home turf. Wright, Phleger, both run charities that are actively engaged in politics.
Right. AS PART OF THE JOB. WHICH IS PROPER! No one wants to subsidize your political activities. Its also why there are lobbying and campaigning restrictions on 501(c)(3) charities in general. Doesn’t mean the employees as private citizens can’t do any of these things. It just means you can’t do them as part of your job for the charity.
Seriously, stop. Just stop. You are wrong. If for no other reason than if there was truly such a thing as you suggest, don’t you think MM and other conservative bloggers would be screaming about it?
Charities are allowed to engage in some lobbying activities. And of course, “voter education” and GOTV drives are charitable purposes that often get blurred and abused (on both sides). But this bill goes even further and says that, to participate in this program, the charities where the volunteers work can’t engage in any political activities. Which is fine. There are lots and lots of charities that don’t at all.
SCOTUS has already ruled that “involuntary servitude” is okay, when the government mandates it. It started with the draft and has gone on from there. Remember, the courts legislate now, not the Constitution.
Dumb Dumb Dumb Dumb … ( South Park)
#90 They are speaking about it.
None are so blind as those that refuse to see!
I already perform national service, every payday.
#92 are you speaking about Roe v Wade or Butler v Perry.The first U.S. Supreme Court case to uphold the ban against involuntary servitude was Bailey v. Alabama (1911).
Also, conscription was eliminated with the draft. But, the Thirteenth Amendment does not prohibit “enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc.”
You might want to take the time to go read the cases before speaking!