It’s baaaack: The DREAM Act returns
The shamnesty crowd is ready to roll again. The illegal alien college tuition discount bill known as the “DREAM Act” has been reintroduced — with bipartisan support, as usual:
Congressmen Howard Berman (D-CA) and Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-FL), announced the reintroduction today of the DREAM Act in the U.S. House of Representatives. This legislation will restore the States’ rights to determine residency requirements for higher education benefits – giving states the option to provide in-state tuition. The American DREAM Act seeks to facilitate access to postsecondary educational opportunities for immigrant students in the United States who currently face barriers in pursuing a college education.
Last year, the DREAM Act fell eight votes short of cloture in the Senate (see Donny’s detailed post for more). As with several other pieces of legislation in the 111th Congress, however, this time around the bill has a supporter in the White House. President Barack Obama helped to pass similar legislation while in the Illinois state legislature, and has voiced support for the federal legislation on the campaign trail.
Critics contend the legislation would spend federal money on undocumented immigrants at the expense of American citizens, and that the bill would encourage illegal immigration. They also argue that citizens and residents would be forced to compete with undocumented immigrants for spots in college and university classes.
Of course they would. DREAM is the camel’s nose under the comprehensive shamnesty tent. This assessment of the previous DREAM legislation sponsored by GOP Sen. Hatch in 2003 is exactly right:
“This bill is a crass political calculation aimed at selling an amnesty disguised as an educational initiative,” charged Dan Stein, FAIR’s Executive Director. Stein noted that Democrats have already publicly stated that the DREAM act is just the beginning of a larger amnesty bidding war, and the bill will be used as a vehicle to extend amnesty to millions of illegal aliens.
Stein noted that since the number of slots at universities is fixed and tuition dollars are short, that for every illegal alien admitted an American student, or legal resident was being turned away. “This massive give-away of higher education to illegal aliens comes at a time when every state university system is raising tuition and cutting education benefits,” Stein continued.
Even more so today.
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One other reminder: Recall that last fall, a California court ruled that the state’s version of the DREAM Act conflicted with federal immigration law.
A state appellate court has put a financial cloud over the future of tens of thousands of undocumented California college students, saying a state law that grants them the same heavily subsidized tuition rate that is given to resident students is in conflict with federal law.
In a ruling reached Monday, the state Court of Appeal reversed a lower court’s decision that there were no substantial legal issues and sent the case back to the Yolo County Superior Court for trial.
“It has a huge impact,” said Kris Kobach, an attorney for the plaintiffs and a law professor at the University Missouri at Kansas City. “This is going to bring a halt to the law that has been giving in-state tuition to illegal immigrants.”He said it is a big win for California taxpayers who have been subsidizing education for undocumented immigrants.
The suit was filed in 2005 by out-of-state students attending California colleges. They challenged the state’s practice of allowing illegal immigrants to pay significantly lower tuition than they pay at the University of California, the California State University and the California Community Colleges.
UC charges out-of-state students nearly $18,000 a year more than it charges resident and undocumented students who graduated from California high schools. At CSU, out-of-state students pay about $8,000 more. And at the state’s 110 community colleges, they pay an average of about $160 a unit instead of $20 per unit – or $1,920 for a full load instead of $240.The suit was dismissed by the Yolo County Superior Court in 2006, setting up the appeal.
On Monday, three justices of the Third District Court of Appeal in Sacramento said that a 2001 state law, AB540, conflicts with federal law. The state law provides the benefit of in-state tuition to undocumented students while the federal law says an illegal immigrant cannot receive that benefit unless the same benefit is extended to all U.S. citizens without regard to California residency.The three California college systems specifically limit the benefits to students who attended a California high school for at least three years and graduated from a state high school.
In the ruling, the appellate justices said: “The state statute allows the benefit to U.S. citizens from other states only if they attend a California high school for three years. Thus, the state statute does not afford the same benefit to U.S. citizens ‘without regard to’ California residence,” as required by the federal law.
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What people behind this scam never admit is the cost to the American taxpayer. Not only do they have to make up the difference in granting illegal kids in-state tuition, often thousands of dollars a semester more than out-of-state LEGAL citizens, but taxpayers have to make up the difference. Already some dozen or so states offer this idiocy, including Texas who offers in-state tuition to Mexican kids who live CLOSE to the border on the Mexican side. Not only are the not in-state, hell, they’re not even IN COUNTRY. It is BEYOND idiotic.
We already know where Juan McAmnesty stands on this issue. So the NIGHTMARE Act may pass this time.
Just more proof that our borders are racist while the Southern border of Mexico is paramount to their security. Heck, we are so danged rich we can pay for their border security AND their kids college educations. What’s the problem? National security? We are rapidly losing our national identity, what’s a little more gasoline on a really big fire?
We need to start our own BUTTSWAB act and wipe these idiots out of Congress.
Oh Good Grief. S.T.O.P. I.T. N.O.W.
I can’t imagine how this subsidy could affect the California budget…
/sarc
I’m just too fed up with all of this crap today. From the illegal actions by our congress and new admin (some of which are openly criminals) to the ongoing abuses of existing laws and the destruction of our Constitution.
Illegal aliens, terrorists and their anti-American friends right here in our country have more made-up rights than you and I do, IF WE ALLOW IT.
So…………….
Not today, I’m just not going to let these dirtbags ruin another day for me and since I’m not spiritually fit to deal with the criminally insane yet this morning…I’m gonna say “see ya later”.
I’ll spend some time with George Washington, Madison, Ben Franklin, Jefferson, etc.
Time to watch my DVR’d copies of the American Revolution…remember what ‘We the People’ is supposed to be.
GOD BLESS AMERICA! (and hurry, please)
Oh, the brazenness of the United Establishment Party. Another payoff to their globalist masters on K Street. These guys always dreamed of being in the spotlight 24 hours a day and now they are. What America has finally witnessed in full view is the entrenched criminal class of corrupt weasels in action.
It’s going to be a long year for all.
Maybe the non-terrorists from Gitmo will be able to avail themselves of this same benefit when they are released on US Soil and onto US Welfare roles. It would somehow seem appropriate. A degree in anti-social studies from UC Berzerkly?
well, of course.
shooter, if you’re fed up, don’t listen to Mark Levin’s show from yesterday! LOL
Does this mean that ESL (English as a Second Language) education will give way to SSL? Or will it remain ESL (Espanol as a Second Language)?
Recent polls confirm that Americans want ENFORCEMENT not amnesty, not dancing around the issue.
Time to gear up and make your voices heard – even louder than before:
http://www.NumbersUSA.com
No amnesty ever stopped or even slowed illegal immigration into the US in the past. Six amnesties of varying size have been enacted – none has slowed illegal immigration into the country.
The largest amnesty of 1986 was found to have been subject to rampant and widespread fraud and abuse – and that was pre-9/11; imagine the consequences of mistakes now.
- Ted Kennedy, 1965
- Ted Kennedy, 1986
- Ted Kennedy, 2007
Just say HE$$ NO to amnesty. It was failed policy in the past, and will be failed policy once again if undertaken.
PC is killing US!
UndocumentedIt’s ILLEGAL ALIEN!!!
You know, I get the racist hispanic congressmen who support this nonsense because the vast majority of illegals are hispanic (of course let a white guy try that and he/she will be crucified). So they use false arguments that are so illogical they are laughable (oh and of course the trump card of “racism” and barriers”). But what I don’t get are the non-hispanic morons who buy into this drivel and nonsense. This act is horrible no matter which way you look at it (cost/preferential treatment/etc). They are doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done to stop this invasion and complete ethnic transformation of the US. Even my 7 year old could spot the logical fallacy of this proposal. Uphold immigraiton laws while providing incentives to ignore immigration laws.
I was filling out some pre-surgery paperwork last week and there was a question about ethnicity. I had 3 choices:
Hispanic
non-hispanic
other
I couldn’t help being offended by my choices.
Other ?
Actually, as our de facto immigration policy exists now, it is inherently ‘racist’ (well, probably more accurate would be to say it is ‘ethnically’ or ‘culturally’ biased). Why??? Because we allow in (legally+illegally) people from Mexico/Central America in much larger numbers than the far poorer people from more distant regions – eg. Africa, parts of Asia, the Middle East, etc. Why should one group of people have an unearned advantage based solely on geography and not based on other more objective or ‘fair’ factors such as: willingness to assimilate, ‘need’, ‘merit’, etc?
Hey, all you bigots! Take an illegal fishing, today! (Like Al Neari took Fredo.)
those were my only choices.
I sat there in the waiting room and listend to two other people after me complain about the choices.
Yes, I had the same thing. The choices I remember were:
African American
White – Non Hispanic
Hispanic
Other
Other? yes, they just misspelled “Sucker”
Give em all amnesty and send them to Beverly Hills.
Unbelievable! Many states are struggling with budget shortfalls and they drag the Dream Act back out, they are absolutely delusional. In fact, I think they think we’re all as punch drunk as Obama.
If this passes, I will stop reporting all my income. Period.
Fighter, just do what they do use somoene elses SS#, name, address…. etc.
I wouldn’t have minded so much if I had those choices. “white” wasn’t an option for me, but then again I live in California
Oh. Other. That’s me! (And everybody like me, I guess.)
chuckle
Do they need gardeners there?
I always check “OTHER” if it is offered as an option. If you have to fill in a blank after OTHER, I write in “CELT.”
No, they need room mates. lmao
These nutcases aren’t going to stop until there either aren’t any borders at all or the US is part of Mexico.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
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Michelle Malkin, Mark Levin, Shaun Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Laura Ingraham are leading the charge against the shamnesty (aka FREDDY KRUGER or VAMPIRE UNDEAD bills). It just won’t go away!
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Build the border fences, enforce the current immigration laws. Or wait for the first American city to be nuked by a North Korean or Iranian backpack bomb–with 100,000 dead and maimed. The 9/11/2001 attack and damage will look like a tea party by comparison.
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This is not on President O’Bummers agenda. Must be another Rocketman pipe dream–a president protecting our country.
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John Bibb
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I wish we could clone Teddy Roosevelt right about now.
Well, Kennedy was loitering around there yesterday.
thank the u.n. globalists one world bs for this crap. europe and the u.s. have been the “creators” of the u.n. and the 3rd, 4th , and 5th world have decided this means we have to provide for them, or they get to come here. we should uproot that woman on the island in new york harbor and put it on the hill in san diego where they made the city remove the cross. give me your poor indeed. give me your thieves, murderers, and criminals. a mariel boat lift daily comes across that border, which is great for mexico, just as it was for castro. clear the crazies and the criminals, and complain we are just racists for not welcoming them.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot.com/2009/03/tgif-karn-evil-welcome-to-show-that.html
Week in Review, Carnival Games & Carny Tricks? What is going on at our Capitol Washington D.C.?
Of course this is back, and little hussein will make sure it gets rammed through, chock full of extra extra pork fat.
He is counting on amnesty to pass in order to win a second term.
This makes me sick.
The DREAM Act? It is killing the American Dream.
I would support a WACABADAIA* Act.
Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. WE are the civilian national security force. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST!!!!
ECS
*(We Are Closing All Borders And Deporting All Illegal Aliens)
And one more thought:
If anybody watched Greta’s coverage of the Me-hee-can drug wars, it’s all going to creep up here when the nightmare act is passed.
Innocent people being executed in the streets.
Women and children being kidnapped for ransom in broad daylight.
Sounds like fun, doesn’t it?
We have to make the mccain repubs change their stupid minds, and fast.
We have to do this. The red blooded American born college students spend all their time drinking & partying at the frat house. Only immigrants actually study. They’re the doctors and lawyers and engineers of America’s future.
PasadenaPhil, it’s going to be a long FOUR years!
There, I fixed it for you. They can go to Berzerkly for free.
lgm,
Kindly pull your head out of @ss for 15 minutes and watch this. Coming soon to an American city near you. These are the
cockroachespeople who are going to be swarming up here, not students.http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/13/MNRB11GISP.DTL
This is a link to an article regarding a situation we had here in the Central Valley not too long ago.
When I first heard about it, I felt a sense of pride in the young man, and thought what a loss it would be if he wasn’t able to pursue his dream of higher education. I would feel the same even if Mexico was substituted for Armenia.
I do believe, as my posters here, that something needs to be done to tighten up our borders and reduce illegal immigration. But I’m sorry that I can’t share the sentiments of many of these posters on this particular topic, because I feel that most of these “illegal” young people in this country likely didn’t have much choice in the matter as to where they would live. If they have excelled in their academic efforts, then I would think that we would want to encourage them to become college educated, so that they will in turn become more productive members of society. Otherwise, these young adults could end up being a drain on government social services, as too many of the “undocumented workers”, or whatever the politically correct term for them currently is, end up being.
I believe that one way or the other, we’re going to be paying for them, so if that’s the case, I’d rather be investing the money in educating them rather than providing government social services. And if the young people have been in this country for a lengthy period of time, I don’t believe it’s reasonable to deport them to a country where they haven’t lived.
Please, people! My Irish ancestors are spinning in their graves! BO certainly doesn’t have Irish ancestry!
What’s the procedure for overthrowing a government of idiot libs?
lgm, STFU and go play in traffic… better yet, tutor some illegal bean bandits in advanced algebra… see how studious they are and report back to someone who cares, like Kos or Huff type posts. I’m so P.O.’d at my government right about now, I’m spitting bullets.
Sorry for my sophomoric rant…..NOT
lgm said:
ErinF: the people have to 1) wake up, 2) realize they are being screwed over, and gather the strength and numbers needed to enforce the laws that our government is ignoring and violating.
With 80% or so of America obsessed with American Idol and other tripe, that will never happen.
Actually NOT of America’s future.They cannot work in the US. They won’t be able to get past E-verify so it’s a huge waste of money, as is ALL of the financial support given to illegals.
The simple solution is to deport all illegals, put the military on the border, and increase the funds available to AMERICAN citizens/LEGAL IMMIGRANTS because THEY are America’s future.
PS: Send me your address LGM and I will gather up some of the presents left all over our beautiful Sonoran desert by those who YOU think so much of. Then you can appreciate their invasion as much as those of us who live on the border.
Yes, it’s infuriating. If this passes (and it will), America is gone.
Just wanted you to know lgm that this is not the first time that I have heard someone like you use this kind of logic.
Osama bin Laden is an engineer, isn’t he? Al Zawahiri’s a doctor. CAIR is full of lawyers. Like them?
I was just reading Slate.com and read this article about how to change your kids’ behavior – reminded me of illegal immigration – you can’t reward bad behavior or you will get more, that is the bottom line!!!
Yes, lgm likes them. lgm wants America to be a 3rd world dictatorship where everyone is afraid to leave the safety of their own homes.
The taxpayers are NOT “investing” in illegals, (no matter where they are from) we are “supporting” them. That means we feed, clothe, and pay for their medical needs. They live off the dole.
The 25-30 million illegals have had a great effect on the financial mess that we are in today because bleeding heart liberals wanted the TAXPAYERS to provide them with housing too. Housing they not only couldnt afford but don’t have a clue how to take care of.
The decisions of the parents of these kids to bring them into the US puts the responsibility of their children NOT being able to get a college education squarely on the shoulders of the parents. That doesn’t mean that the TAXPAYERS should have to pay for their college education too. They should be deported right along with their parents. It is just plain tough they will be going to a country they didn’t grow up in. It is ALL on the parents for making the decisions they made. It is called consequences. I have NO sympathy for their situation at all.
Just be wary of when the government finally wants to build a fence along the southern border, and carefully take note of which side the sharp stuff faces.
A democratic voting base and more politicians to replace those already stacked up under the bus.
Yes, he does. Look it up.
Thing is, you can do all the research in the world to try to find/eliminate the source of a problem. NONE of it mattters. The inmates are running the asylum. The alcoholics are managing the liquor store. The addicts are the pharmacists.
We are witnessing the death of America, and there’s nothing we can (legally) do to stop it.
Here in Atlanta they are the future drug kingpins and gang leaders. Recent reports have shown that there has been a rapid increase in violence due to the presence of Mexican drug gangs. Rarely a week goes by anymore that I don’t see some young Hispanic men in my neighborhood being pulled out of their car and put in handcuff. (Police don’t do this for speeding or a broken light, even to illegals.)
Is that what liberals mean when they talk about the “lively and thriving” Hispanic culture?
That’s the key of it all Erin, the word “legally”
Revolutions of this sort are not something one does legally.
How you went about getting your education LGM is not reflective of us all, Thank God.
Flippin Traitor.
Now just hold on, everybody, we can’t be talking about this. Lindsay Graham told us “bigots” to shut up, remember?
Yes, the lgm’s believe this is what America needs to be be a more diversified society. We need to be more accomodating and accepting of other cultures.
Then we’ll be more enlightened, you see.
Well, a Revolution was not what I was referring to when I said the L word.
hasta la vista imperialist gringo yanqui dogs!!!
(might as well join the winning side)
you’d better find another neighborhood..
Capice??
If we are successful, we are patriots and if we fail, we are traitors against Amerika and we, much to the chagrin and despite the foresight of our founding fathers, have failed in this great experiment and the question has been answered.
The Supreme court is blatantly violating our constitution by turning to international law to make their decisions. Blatantly unconstitutional laws are declared constitutional, we no longer have any LEGAL recourse in our once great and proud nation. None with any legs anyhow. When people like sheriff Joe (Grandstander that he may be) are allowed to be sued for doing what they have been sworn into the office to do, when our borders are left open and people going to the border to do what our government will not … and one of the very few well and defined powers that it does have at that … are called the traitors, then legal recourse and a redress of grievances become oxymorons at best and irrelevant at worst.
Now with mandatory civic service? Acorn doing the census? Do we have any real alternatives? If it happens it will not be us who start it but rest assured, it will be up to us to quell this socialist uprising.
Hmmm, thats a major stereotype. I was an engineer. Just off the top of my head, one frat brother is a surgeon and another is an architect. One is an Secret Service agent. One was a president of a bank until he got bought out. One other guy was my superior officer in the military. And trust me only one of those was “rich” when he was in college. Can you guess which one?
And its BS on just the immigrants studying. When I was a Graduate Assistant a few years ago, they went to the department head to complain that I made them do too much real work. They had a closed knit community who “studied” together and since I wasnt part of the educational establishment they could figure my testing methods. When I polled them as to their career intentions, most of them said they were going back to India to become rich (as managers).
But you’re right, we had some hellacious parties.
Ahhhhhh the memories. But they were no different than the parties thrown by people that didnt go to college, those not in the Greek system, or those in the military. 
Ahhhhhh the memories.
And another fyi, my parents didnt pay for my dues. And I didnt get grants from the government. I worked to cover myself.
Most of them are legally here, then for some odd reason we boot them out after they get their degrees. This is about illegal aliens, and for some reason, those of you on the left of the bell curve can’t seem to keep it straight.
Sorry for the insult lgm, I feel like I just kicked the dog…
Truly, with the current state of the economy, this is the match ready to light the tinder box.
And I hope it does.
Our Nation. Our Values. Our Citizens First.
Why can’t we deport them? You see, it’s jelly spined BS like you’re spewing that has gotten into this mess. “Oh the poor children”, “not their fault”, “our responsibility” (that their parents are absconders?), “we have to take care of them”. The illegals saw we were filled with liberals who would not stand up to their invasion. Naturally, they capitalized on that emotion. As far as I am concerned, I would revoke “anchor baby” status back to 1986 and deport them along withe their illegal counterparts. Mean spririted? So what. Grow some already.
We are being invaded and taken over. It’s just not being done via conventional warfare. And I am sick of it. Their plight is not my problem.
I forgot to ask… what about sorority girls? They dont drink and party? Just guys? That almost sounded sexist.
Actually fraternity and sorority students have higher GPA’s than the average student. They HAVE to study, make a minimum GPA and are held to a higher standard than an average student.
Are you just going on the Animal House myth that Hollywood portrays? Or are you holding minority and academic fraternities to the party standard too. My bad, its just the blond hair blue eyed red blooded males I guess…..
(And dont drive in the left hand lane either)
I’m starting a new group….called
‘College for Cartels”
If you want to contribute send money or
pay with your life.
Stuck on stupid, lgm?
Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. WE are the civilian national security force. Welcome to the United States; now, speak English, and show us your green card. The resistance is here; the resistance is now. RESIST!!!!!!!
ECS
“Rule .303!*” in my case would be “Rule 7.62×54R!” Wave the biggest Mexican flag you can find, so I don’t get someone else by mistake.
Hope is not a plan; not all change is good. WE are the civilian national security force. The resistance is here; the resistance is now.
ECS
*(Gratuitous “Breaker Morant” reference.)
What an f’ing traitorous bastard you are, lgm. You are an embarrassment to your nation, employer, and family. You should be ashamed.
You can go here and on their dime, change the scripted letter a bit and send a free fax to your representatives AGAINST the DREAM act!
Oh and for those who say that the children should not suffer the consequences of their parents illegal activities…
Children ALWAYS suffer such consequences, whether their parents are illegals, drug users, bank robbers, etc. Why should these children be different?
By FAILING to extend consequences to the children of illegals, we are actually encouraging the parents to come here in violation of our laws.
These Un-American Devils are relentless. We must be likewise.
Allowing you to escape a middle-aged, late-term, partial life abortion burdens our country with a truly pathetic waste of daddy’s seed.
This issue simply goes away when All students pay the FULL price for the education services. I just do not see any reason for the state or federal government to subsidize any of these universities. This simple action would actually bring the costs down to what it takes to educate people and not just feed an out of control, and clearly corrupt, government teaching union.
Cost to the American People? The Dream Act is the product of a lot of people who do not recognize an American People, an America as a sovereign nation with borders of it’s own. A continent not a country as they say.
More nightmare than dream.In my case rules .223 and .357M.
Sign NumbersUSA petition to Obama – the theme of which is “It is not ‘UN-AMERICAN’ to open jobs for jobless Americans through immigration enforcement”
Link and more information here
Between newly amnestied voters, ever increasing numbers of people either forced to live off govt…..or running to the opportunity and therefore instant Dems….we are freakin’ through folks.
Isn’t a society free of rules, responsibilities and the drive to achieve what liberals want?
And if you’re really a liberal, why point out this less-than-desirable result of one of liberal ideology’s basic ideals – self-expression?