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“Flat Earther” Back in Galileo’s time the scientific consensus was that the earth was flat. The reliance these global warming econazis have on their so called ‘consensus’ makes THEM the ‘flat earthers’ – not those of us who trust scientific reality.
Do it anyway. Government Fears? They should-that is what it is all about.
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
WE the people do not need their permission. We are American Citizens NOT subjects of the crown.
TUCSON
WHO: Tucson Taxpayer Tea Party
WHAT: Protest against trillions of dollars in government spending
WHERE: Downtown Tucson, in front of the Joel D. Valdez Main Library on 101 N. Stone Ave.
When: April 15, 2009. 10 a.m. – 3 p.m.
PHOENIX
WHO: Phoenix Taxpayer Tea Party
WHAT: Protest against trillions of dollars in government spending
WHERE: AZ State Capitol Building
When: April 15, 2009 at 6:00pm
This is OUR country–not theirs-
IF my “awfully wedded wife” will let me go
Does the town they are in require them for a gathering that size?
That’s how they divide us. I mean really – would you fight for their rights?
Not only that, even Galileo’s good friend the Pope agreed with Galileo but was forced to act against him for political reasons. It was because of obstinately courageous people like Galileo that the days of myth and superstition were put behind us, at least until recently. And that applies for some on the right too.
Saying that family heading to ski resort was ultra rich: massive outrage.
Saying that family heading to ski resort deserved to die because the father owned family planning clinics: crickets.
One story was reported in the mainstream “unbiased” media.
One story was reported in a publication nobody ever heard of, and is openly and proudly geared to a religious audience.
Oh, so it’s ok to politicize a tragedy as long as it’s not the MSM? Where are all the pro-lifers denouncing statements like these?
It sure makes it hard to have family gatherings when two of you brothers and their wives are moonbats.
Pasadena Phil,
Sometimes its not the gal, it is the dude she brought that is the moonbat. It is about a 50/50 split.
True but if they understand that most of the family finds their opinions offensive, they will be shamed into silence or go elsewhere.
Just a thought…If I rent a van and transport Electra-sol and Cascade detergent to Washington (just next door), I could get in on the ground floor of the upcoming black market of dish detergent. Maybe repackage the stuff in small zip-lock bags so the authorities would leave me alone and let me sell it to the public without being hassled. I could even cut it with something cheaper to increase my profits.
Mooks, I’m not sure how the tragedy was/could be “politicized”. I’d say it’s more the ironic nature of a double tragedy was noted. Someone who became wealthy via abortions loses his own children in a Catholic cemetary next to a memorial called the “Tomb Of The Unborn” dedicated to those who lost their lives at the hands of abortionist.
No politics involved in what I can see – as I said, the tragic irony is what stands out. A great sadness all around.
purplepeep: Is that true? It’s things like that that make me wonder if God has a sense of humor, like the S&P finding bottom at 666.
Accidently left the porch lights on last night. Hope nobody hates me now.
Yup -
Wealthy Abortion Provider’s Family Dies In Mysterious Plane Crash in Catholic Cemetery Next to Memorial to Unborn
I read somewhere that a witness to the plane crash saw the plane flying normally and then suddenly just nose dived into the ground.
I thought it sounded as if there was a big magnet pulling to that spot. The Tomb Of The Unborn.
And let’s be sure not to issue any permits for Politically Incorrect causes–such as the Civil Rights Demonstrations in Birmingham–keep those folks in their place and back of the bus, huh?
Permits and insurance to disagree with government, permits and insurance to run a newspaper, talk radio, own a firearm. There are people who think you need permits and insurance to wipe your butt–after a city inspector feels it needs wiping. Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon tried permits and insurance–did not work.
Did the Sons of Liberty get King George’s permission? George Washington the the Continental Congress? Did Eisenhower and the allies get an entry permit from the Vichy and German governments?
Fascism is never more than one overly important person away. Permits and insurance to be an American; Stalin would be proud.
Now we see if the people of CAPE CORAL are citizens or subjects–and get permits and insurance to wipe their butts.
That would make you Soapy Sales.
Seeing as this is an open thread (and we’ll never agree on politics, so why argue), I thought I’d point out that this little girl is impossibly cute. Just ridiculously adorable.
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1905356
Have a good Sunday, all.
I saw the ad of the year today.
It was an ad for the clean coal association featuring a speaker who told the listeners that clean coal was important to America’s energy future and if we can put a man on the moon we can have use coal that burns clean.
And who was the speaker…..Barack Obama, no doubt during a stop in WV or PA during the campaign.
Sweet, let him stew in his own words.
I could get Kitty Carlisle to be my ho.
Purple, HuffPost referenced the Ashley Biden cocaine question as have other lessor news outlets and blogs.
I might agree it would be prudent to wait for proof but what is journalism really if they don’t press for an answer.
Has anyone camped on her front door?
One of my points was the hypocrite MSM. We all know if this were a Cheney or Bush child there would be satellite trucks already posted at the driveway.
It’s also illustrative that the VP Biden has not come to a podium, after all isn’t his thing the so called “drug war”. Good job Joe!
If there are legs to the Ashley Biden sotry, I hope she and her family are afforded the privacy that the Palin family and others were not.
I am no fan of Bidens, but this does not reflect on him in any way.
“I am no fan of Bidens, but this does not reflect on him in any way.”
Then who raised his daughter, flyover? I believe they deserve respect on the issue, but it does reflect on him.
If true, it will come out, Fireblogger.
I enjoy a good scandal as much as the next guy (well, not really, lol) but I’m not quite sure how massive Paris Hilton-esque media saturation would accomplish much of anything other than to sell some extra copies of the Nat’l Enquirer. Even then I suspect the public’s interest in messed-up airhead celebs has a limit.
This wouldn’t be her first embarrassment. She was arrested before for drug possession and again for obstructing police. Besides, she’s 27 years old, an adult who should know better and so is fair game.
To play the Devil’s Advocate for consistency’s sake; does Bristol’s having an out-of-wedlock birth reflect on the Palins?
Just checking in from the Martinsville race. Over the years, Nascar has eclipsed NFL and baseball, in our house. No driver is being held or accused for DWIs, domestic abuse, dog fighting, or steroid use. People still pray at pre-race ceremonies. It must drive (pardon the pun) liberals crazy.
Updates on the Kansas City Tax Day Tea Party:
Darla Jaye, KMBZ 980, will broadcast live from the event.
Congressman Todd Tiahrt will be attending. We have invited all of the KS and MO Congressional delegation.
We will have specially designed bumper stickers to hand out to attendees.
Event information:
April 15th, 6-8pm
Johnson County Community College
Intersection of College Blvd. and Quivira Rd.
Overland Park, KS
Kansas City Tax Day Tea Party
kansascityteaparty@gmail.com
What I’m trying to figure out, Phil, is fair game for “what”?
Purplepeep said:”To play the Devil’s Advocate for consistency’s sake; does Bristol’s having an out-of-wedlock birth reflect on the Palins?”
Yes-in-deedy!!
You have two working parents in that situation. Who is watching the kids? Or more importantly, what were they taught concerning sex?
Shame is a powerful control agent. Used to the extreme, it results in Muslim men murdering children. Used moderately, it results in virgins getting married.
We are instructing our daughter that it would be a scandal to have a child out of wedlock, that it would shame her family, that she risks death to disease. I pray for her intellect. I will love her still the same if she makes a mistake, yet she needs to know that haveing a child out of wedlock is indeed a mistake with ill results for all parties.
Look, Biden’s claim to (attempted) fame (pre-VP) was the war on drugs. If the Ashley scandal is true then this points to an even larger problem as it pertains to the war on drugs.
Devils advocate is something you can afford to be when this kind of thing affects a Hollywood star or their kids.
Biden is one step from being leader of the free world. (damn that is a scary thought)
As for comparison to Bristol Palin, not fair here. Nothing illegal about getting pregnant.
I agree with you, Kid, and it’s excellent you folks want to install a strong sense of shame and responsibilty in you daughter.
That being said, there are others who have done the same – but since we live in an imperfect world, it doesn’t always work out.
So I guess the question I’d ask then is if, God forbid, should things not work out as planned and your daughter did have an out-of-wedlock child would that mean you were bad parents?
I’d say “no”, since I’ve seen far too many very fine parents/families with children who have gone astray. I believe folks can only do the best they can and hope the kids will be OK and make the right choices in life.
point well-taken.
I’m all for launching a full scale non-stop merciless attack on Ashley Biden. If someone can explain to me to what end. Otherwise I just don’t have much interest.
Someone else mentioned Bristol Palin in the context, but you are correct; Folks like Rush and Betty Ford have shown us drugs are a bump in the road from which people can recover and find redemption. Having children out-of-wedlock is forever.
I’m wondering if anyone else is shaking their head at the laughing stock SOS Clinton is? What a buffoon, full of gaffes, shameless pandering, moronic attempts at wit, she is genuinely so sub par it is embarrassing. I just can’t stop shaking my head, people thought the previous administration was full of stupid people, so they made sure to have change and installed an administration that has proven itself to be genuinely inexperienced and plain ignorant to the world (brought to you by people who think that they are so wordly). Senator Feinstein took off her American pin because she was ashamed of how mean America is. I’m taking off my American pin because I am ashamed of how stupid my country looks right now.
Well ya know, Kid, although I’ve made a few bad choices in life (nothing real awful, lol) I like to think my folks did a good job as they could in raising me – and my 8 siblings. I would’ve given up by the 4th kid !
There was more to that press release than irony. She should have just written “KARMA” in big gigantic letters. And the people who reveled in these deaths, like the ones on Free Republic, are the ones that should worry about karma. What was posted on there was revolting. It was no different from a thread on Kos reveling in the death of a conservative. Maybe worse since they were celebrating the death of children. So much for pro-life.
Looks like GM will receive more of our $$$$. Drudge headline is that Obambi demanded the CEO of GM resign……. gee, too bad he has not demanded dismantling of the UAW. Now, that would be change I could believe in…..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090329/ap_on_bi_ge/gm_wagoner
Does anyone know if Al Gore has flown to Alaska and ask Mount Redoubt to reduce its’ carbon emissions?
Frontierguy:No honest person should be surprised that Hillary as SoS will be a complete disaster for the USA, but we all know that China loves them some Hillary after all the great freebies they received from Bill; I can hear them now talking about us, “We fix you Yankee dog, some day we come over there and eat your young, can cook dog only so many way, get old”; People in DC either tend to forget or are in denial, but China is a communist nation and is out to destroy us; All others are but a pug dog nipping at the ankles compared to this fire breathing dragon.
Michelle must be busy today, but I did get a to read the comment from Chapoteer. It is interesting that LFG, Chuck is of the same opinion as chap. This doesn’t change my opinion of chap, but my Charles sure lost some status here.
A group of patriotic law biding Americans want to get together because they feel that taxes are out of control and that their voices are not being heard. So some city council member said, we can’t tell how many people are pissed off enough to come to this gathering and you folks better buy a permit and some insurance. This is another government tax. The insurance could come from some private company which will then hand a portion of the proceeds to the government. Unfortunately the people who organized this are not soros backed professionals who can count on funding. That could and did make the costs of organizing here prohibitive to the people involved. So once again, conservative voice is silenced. though, is that the people who come to these parties are law
vinny,
Did you miss the fact that you only need insurance if its on city property? If someone wanted to have a party on your property, would you want them to be insured against damage, or would you rather foot the bill yourself? Of course. What if you jointly owned a piece of property with lots of other people, and a small minority of them wanted to have a party on it? Wouldn’t you still think it prudent that they be responsible for any damage?
It is as simple as that. No dark left wing conspiracy to stifle all those angry little voices.
whoops hit wrong key and it posted prematurely. Anyway, I think that if this even does not proceed the main reason will be because the attendees are law biding citizens. They do not want to break the law and they respect this country. When some jerk representing some government office tells them don’t dump a tea bag in the river or the ocean will change color, they respect this entity. When they are told they need permission to protest taxes and that such permission will cost them, they listen…..eventually some will stop listening and will likely take the reins of this revolt. From a historical perspective, I feel more comfortable among the current group of tea party protesters. I hope the law biding crowd succeeds, and I hope they go ahead with their protest. To deny them this is unconstitutional. AND HELL NO, WE WILL NOT PAY TAXES SO THAT WE CAN ATTEND A TAX PROTEST RALLY!
I don’t know which PR you’re talking about, Mooks. But I can understand that some folks might tend to think “Karma”. But, of course, tragedy happens to good people, too. The rain does fall on both the good and bad (”rain” being a good thing in that context – for crops to grow).
I agree it’s wrong to gloat over the tragedies of others. If nothing else, it comes back to bite you sometime or another. I think instances where tragedies are addressed with insults, such as Kos’ “screw them” re: the heinious murder of fellow Americans in Iraq, are especially sick.
chap, you may believe that the comments you type represent logic, but to me you are pure drivel. That is all I ever want to say to you.
The park is already insured.
Purplepeep and cicerokid,
I disagree with both of you. The answer is we do not know. Your opinions are pure speculation. Is there data that supports your position? Yes, but each family is different and that’s what has to be remembered.
I had a classmate who got pregnant her senior year in HS. The girl was one of the nice girls in our class; quiet, shy and never one to be rebelious or go to parties. Her mother was a full time mother and her father a Protestant minister. It was one date, one hour, one moment of weakness, and one mistake in judgement.
I am not going to judge Biden when I do not have the information, nor can you judge the Palins one way or the other.
Politically, I hope Biden and his boss fail. I wish Biden the best as a father.
And you can bet it hosts all manner of liberal events – e.g. “gay pride” celebrations, “Earth Day”.
A call to the White House should do the job. Obama promised that upon his election the seas would begin to receed and the earth heal. One volcano should be no problem for the Dear Leader.
Is it? Link please. And is it insured for this type of event? To extend my analogy, I had a client once that owned a beautiful house by a cliff overlooking the ocean. He rented it to a professor who wanted to have a wedding there. The owner made him purchase event insurance, which is something that apparently his homeowners didn’t cover.
Key part being “to you”, apparently.
What speculative opinion/position of mine are you addressing there, Flyoverfella?
On a Global Currency: Every once in a while, I get e-mailed discussion papers on financial topics from my insurance/investment company (military/diplomatic). Some will know which. One of the points they made this time was that our ability to pay back national dept is essentially unlimited, because we are the only country that borrows in their own currency. We print the money, we set the borrowing conditions, and the US currency is backed by a country of 300 million people at a 90+% employment rate. They noted that all other countries that failed while doing this had to borrow in US currency.
This leads me to wonder, does Obama have an ulterior motive for considering going to a global basket currency? I think, according to the above information, that adopting a global basket currency would immediately destroy the US. Is that in his plans, or is he terminally stupid? Geitner’s answer to the question should have been not only no, but hell no!
And I’ll bet you those people coughed up the freaking permit fee and insurance. Look at the statute. It doesn’t say “insurance is required for evil conservatives that we hate.” It says insurance is required for any gathering over 500. Get over it.
I don’t know of any local government that doesn’t carry insurance, Chappy. If nothing else the “slip and fall” lawsuits alone would bankrupt ‘em pronto.
WOW! Don’t think I’ve ever heard a better definition of PC!
That’s speculation on something of which we have no knowledge nor evidence, Chappy.
The park host a gathering of over 500 individuals every weekend. They are called visitors. The park property is already insured. For individual groups to pay insurance and permits for that which is already paid in taxes defies logic.
She is old enough to understand that she is a public person and what it means to be the daughter of the Vice-President of the US.
If, as an adult, she chooses to live a scandalous life, she is fair game to whoever wants to use that information to attack her or her father. She is not an innocent in all of this. Privilege does have its disadvantages. Noblesse oblige.
Some people think that 500 people in a park ought to buy permission to use this park. If you had a wedding wtih 500+ registered guests, I could see some logic in that. In this case no-one knows how many people will show up. The organizer is not running a business and has no income from this event. She is not a representative of some large corporation that will somehow financially benefit from this event. So what do such restrictions mean to unfunded, non-professional groups who want to meet in the park? These costs are meant to deter their speech and their ability to gather. That is obvious to most people who read MM posts . I actually believe that it this sort of government intimidation presents an excellent opportunity.
Well, makes me no nevermind if folks want to have at her, Phil. To me, it’s a puzzling time-waster and I’ll pass on the silliness.
If true, it’ll get play in the media for awhile, she’ll probably get some kind of treatment, write a book, go on Larry King and become an “I conquered drugs” heroine.
Pretty lucky here, the one or two dummies in my family keep it to themselves. Over the years a couple have come into the light.
We already have a permit for public assembly at parks, etc.: the 1st Amendment.
The only permit we need when our nation is being destroyed by idiots.
The bet being placed is the white guys won’t fight for the Constitution. Too fat dumb and happy to stand on principle.
That would be post #133 sir.
On a side note:
I went to Barnes & Noble to buy Mark Levin’s book, and I couldn’t find it. Displays of Obama books, and three tables of liberal authors, but nary a Conservative author.
I asked and was told they “sold out” of the Levin book right away. This after another clerk gave me a funny look when I mentioned what I was looking for.
Sigh. Even the damned book stores have become ideological battlegrounds.
The second clerk told me I could order the book, so I did. I asked her how many copies sold, and she shrugged, saying they didn’t have a lot of copies to begin with.
Annoying. I really was up for reading it today…
Should I have remorse for murderers, Mookie?
Your point is akin to saying I should feel sadness for another Islamofascist who bites the dust because of our GIs…puhlease!
I will have remorse for them when they are defeated and make amends for their conduct…NOT SOONER.
Thank you, Flyover. Can you cite the specific point with which you disagree?
purplepeep: I don’t have any interest in going after her either any more than I care whether or not the Tea Parties get a permit to protest. Ms Biden lives a very privileged life and has no one to blame but herself. Whatever happens to her, she has it coming.
As to those permits, get serious folks. Permits or not, we’re coming. At least, those of us who are serious and not just grasping at any reason to stay home sitting on the sofa eating bonbons…
Rather than argue the fine legal points of whatever law covers the permit issue, why not switch to arguing over how angels can fit on the head of a pin? The answers to both are irrelevant.
Rewrite!
Rather than argue the legal fine points of whatever law covers the permit issue, why not switch to arguing over how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? The answers to both are irrelevant.
There. Better.
Well, there is a statute. I guess I will speculate on the side of it being enforced. No one there seems to be complaining of unequal treatment.
No it doesn’t…It reflects the fact despite advisement to the contrary, the Palin’s daughter thought with her crotch and not with her brain…that was her stupid choice..neither the baby nor her parents are responsible for her stupid conduct of having a kid out of wedlock.
Such battles like these go on all the time..more often then not the wise choice prevails.
As for the lefties “…casting the first stone…” you credibility is shattered as you are hypocrites to the core…I am not moved by your argument.
Huh?
excuse me, your (not you) credibility is shattered to the core
I’m going to be in front of the Federal Reserve Building in Richmond on April 15 whether someone got a permit or not.
I’ll have the sign that reads:
Bailouts for Banks = Home Delivery for Looters
I’m also considering just “showing up” in D.C. July 4th reading aloud from my “Declaration of Independence”. Maybe if millions spontaneously did the same, it would get someone’s attention.
my response -”huh”?
I just got home and am trying to catch up on this thread! We have one raging moonbat in our family, my brother. In fact, we just had a big gathering yesterday for a birthday. He actually wrote in the birthday card something about “right-wing nazis” I kid you not! He thought he was being witty, but he was actually being offensive. He can’t tell the difference. It is hard to be around him, but I just avoid any discussion and if he starts, I walk away.
Not my brother, Pasadena. As I said, he thinks he is witty, charming and NEVER WRONG. The sign of a true moonbat.
Mookie …if by “familiy planning” you are including abortion “services”…then I my statement has gone accordingly. If your statement was not meant to include abortion “services”, then I have misunderstood you.
I don’t understand what you’re trying to say. Are you saying that it’s right to celebrate a plane crash because the father of the children on board owns family planning clinics?
Just pointing out that you’re responding to CiceroKid’s response there.
Yes, he owns abortion clinics. Does that mean it’s a cause for celebration that he lost his family in the plane crash?
Sounds like your brother needs to be “once removed” like your distant cousin Orrin.
Here’s what Michelle said in the original post that went after the AP:
Later on, someone posted:
I wonder if Michelle and the poster would say the same thing now, knowing where that money comes from.
Correction:
happyscrapper: Sounds like your brother needs to be “once removed” like your distant cousin Orrin.
Am I the only one that is outraged?
Obama Town Hall Questioners Were Campaign Backers
What a setup
Obama seeks Muslims for White House posts
Diversification ??
Obama’s Travel entourage of 500+
The high cost of travel
The lower part of the story highlights:
The entourage
The Beast
Marine One
Air Force One
Secret Service
Oh, Oh. The CEO of General Motors just got fired by the White House.
Yeah, if only! Actually, I do love him…he is my brother after all. But I don’t like him at all! Actually quite sad. Interestingly, he has one centrist daughter and one extremely conservative daughter. Karma.
Outraged…yes. Surprised…NO! Do you really think Obama will allow a voice to anyone but those who agree with him and support his cause? He complains about the “obstructionism” of the republicans in Congress, and says they need to submit a plan for the budget. Then they do and he says, “Not enough detail in it”. In other words, not interested. As if he would be! He is NOT MY PRESIDENT! He is only the President for the liberals in this country. Conservatives have no voice in this administration.
The CEO of GM was fired by zero’s administration and zero needs 500+ staff to accompany his worthless butt to europe. this high maintenance parasite, really has a high opinion of himself. even in the white house he acts like a typical affirmative action slacker. the I am entitled mentality.
NEVER WRONG. Sounds familiar. I also have a moonbat brother who is NEVER WRONG. Lately, I have been calling him on every moonbat thing he says (I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore). He basically refuses to argue his points with me because he has no coherent argument to support his contentions. At one point, he even kicked me out of his truck and made me walk.
Why was Obummer able to “fire” the GM CEO?
I thought that his job was there because of the GM board of directors?
Because when Pres. Bush gave the first loan back in December, he included a list of targets that had to be met by March 31st, before the second round of loans were approved.
Who cares? The important thing is that he was fired. The UAW already has a better representive in Gettelfinger. What GM needs is a CEO who represents investors and customers. Waggoner was far from being that and typically argued along the UAW talking points.
Looks like Ford made a good choice not to take federal government bail-out money.
Good-bye GM, what a terrible way to go. I think bankruptcy and restructuring would have been a far better path for the General to have pursued.
GM is toast. That is an avoidable death I might add.
Knowing the doctor was an abortionist doesn’t give me glee that he died.
His family died, as well. His children. I feel very sad for all of them.
I despise what he did for a living, but I didn’t know him. I have no investment in him either way.
I just know that if he’s going to be judged, I’ll leave that to God.