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1. #1
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:15 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

   This is an example of the apologetic screed that will lead us to dhimmitude if we don’t stand tall and resist such a kowtowing to a theocratic hegemonic culture.

2. #2
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am, malkin_fan said:

   Here is a word I don’t like:

   muslim

3. #3
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:17 am, et said:

   I have another word Muslims don’t like. The word is NO.

4. #4
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:18 am, Ragspierre said:

   “Our Muslim friends” of great sensitivity will have a lot more trouble with the American LEFT than those of us who are conservatives.

   We can agree that the term “tolerance” as used by the LEFT really means absolute permissiveness of even those things that should be deplored.

   When the LEFT uses “secular society” as applied to the religion of Christianity or Judaism, they mean “you can’t practice those”.

5. #5
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:19 am, WarTip said:

   Appeasement is not an option!

6. #6
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:20 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

   Breaks me little heart it do- poor little darlins’ are so easily offended.

   I imagine “Get out of my country” is out of the question?

   Would NAPALM be a suitable substitute for MODERATION? Check with iTunes for the ArizonaNeanderthal Family Band’s next hit:

   Mecca Done Gone

7. #7
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:23 am, Flyoverman said:

   Interesting. I guess the term “Predator Drone” is still good.

   SWEET!

8. #8
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:24 am, backwoods conservative said:

   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am, malkin_fan said:

   Here is a word I don’t like:

   muslim

   Beat me to it.

9. #9
   On March 31st, 2009 at 11:25 am, Flyoverman said:

   Would NAPALM be a suitable substitute for MODERATION?

   If you want to stay curent, please substitue “FAE” for NAPALM.

   Fuel Air Explosives

10. #10
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:25 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    Words and terms I don’t like from the muslim community:

    CAIR, Kafir, Koran/Qur’an, Infidel, Jewish monkey, Al Queda, hezbolla, terrorism, yassir arafat, and appeasement.

    Respectfully,
    “I am John Doe”

11. #11
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am, granite said:

    End note after the list of the ten words one cannot say to muslims:

    Chris Seiple is the president of the Institute for Global Engagement, a “think tank with legs” that promotes sustainable environments for religious freedom worldwide.

    I thought freedom was one of the forbidden words…yet, here it is being used what appears essentially to be the statement of purpose of what looks like a good little Dhimmi “institute”, judging from Chris Seiple’s list.

    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:15 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

    This is an example of the apologetic screed that will lead us to dhimmitude if we don’t stand tall and resist such a kowtowing to a theocratic hegemonic culture.

    You beat me to it.
    Well said.
    This list is nothing more than another example of the Dhimmi BOHICA passive attitude.

12. #12
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am, Old Country Boy said:

    How come it is always we that have to get along with and not offend them? Never the other way around! It is these “Christian” apologists that are getting people killed and enslaved. What is wrong with “assimilation”. If they want to come to this country, they should adopt, follow and uphold our laws, no matter how abhorant to their primative religious tribalism. This is our country, not theirs. It will never be theirs until they “assimilate.”

13. #13
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am, pabarge said:

    Dhimmi

    Female circumcision aka mutilation

    Beheading

    Honor Killing

    Womens’ Rights

    and finally, cult. As in, Islam is a cult.

    Wonder how they like those words.

14. #14
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am, Send_Me said:

    I want to share the advice given to me from dear Muslim friends worldwide regarding words and concepts that are not useful in building relationships with them. Obviously, we are not going to throw out all of these terms, nor should we. But we do need to be very careful about how we use them, and in what context.

    Be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Not all of what he says is wrong. On some things, oh yes, he’s very wrong. And yes, the title sucks.

15. #15
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am, gunslingerpatriot said:

    “I like the smell of FAE in the morning, it smells like victory”-poetic licence hat tip to Robert Duvall.

    GSP
    “This is Sparta!”

16. #16
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am, happyscrapper said:

    I guess I will start using those words a lot more now. A LOT more!
    The Clash of Civilizations: You mean… 21st century vs the muslim 7th century?
    secular: You mean non-muslim?
    assimilation: You mean, adapting to the country that took you in and saved you from living in a sandbox hell-hole from the 7th century?
    reformation: You mean rising up against the tyranny of a too powerful church?
    jihadi: You mean that which is exclusively Moooslims?
    moderate: You mean something that Mooslims are NOT??
    interfaith: You mean “we will kill you if you have any faith but ours”?
    freedom: You mean that precious thing that moooslims are trying to take away?
    religious freedom: ditto
    tolerance: You mean we tolerate muslims, but they kill us.

17. #17
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am, Ragspierre said:

    I can live much more happily with a devout, pluralistic, American Muslim than I can with Rosie, Bill Marred, Al Gore, Barney Frank-lover, or Michelle Obama.

18. #18
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am, backwoods conservative said:

    I read the list and they cannot count on my cooperation. The only term on the list I do not use is “clash of civilizations”. I would not use that term because a clash of civilizations would require two.

19. #19
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:31 am, zeroangel said:

    This is precisely why I don’t much like fundamentalist loons of this type.

    Anyone who gets offended by any of those things isn’t someone I want to talk to anyways. Any “Muslim” that isn’t a fundamentalist loon shouldn’t get offended by any of these words either.

    It IS a clash of civilizations, and I am sorry, but a disgusting desert cult is a bane to civilization.

20. #20
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am, flmom said:

    Well, this explains the objection to naming the new World Trade Center ‘Freedom Towers’. Can’t offend our Muslim friends, no sir.

21. #21
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am, Lindsay said:

    Muslim words I don’t like and have learned since 9/11:

    Fatwa
    Sharia
    Caliphate
    Ummah
    Chador
    Hijab
    Burka

    Long live infidels who are not Muslim!

22. #22
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am, happyscrapper said:

    PC censorship at its absolute worst! My God, what is next? I will say whatever the He!! I want! And I will pray every day that these a$4hats return to the S@#Thole they came from. Sorry, I will stop swearing now. I have used up my allotment for the day.

23. #23
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am, MNUSMCDavid said:

    happyscrapper

    are you sure you weren’t a Marine in another life?……lol Frankly, I thought your “swear” words well placed….lol

24. #24
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am, sonofdy said:

    I have 2 words for him and them:

    F@(K YOU.

    End of message.

25. #25
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am, happyscrapper said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am, flmom said:
    Well, this explains the objection to naming the new World Trade Center ‘Freedom Towers’. Can’t offend our Muslim friends, no sir.

    I will continue to refer to it as the Freedom Tower whenever I get the chance. Appeasing the very culture that took down our towers is another form of insanity.

26. #26
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:37 am, John Deaux said:

    Bill Maher could not be reached for comment.

27. #27
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am, frontierguy said:

    Ragspierre said:
    “Our Muslim friends” of great sensitivity will have a lot more trouble with the American LEFT than those of us who are conservatives.

    So true. In Europe the gays and muslims are clashing big time. I’m curious if the politicians will kick the gays to the curb, I bet they do. When Muslims start calling for gay clubs to be closed down (brothels will be next) what are the people going to do? They asked for it, they voted for it, now they got it and they killed their freedoms through their “kindness”.

28. #28
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am, happyscrapper said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am, MNUSMCDavid said:
    happyscrapper

    are you sure you weren’t a Marine in another life?……lol Frankly, I thought your “swear” words well placed….lol

    Ha! Next time I will write what I REALLY think! Actually, I seldom swear, but putting those cute little asterisks, etc. in place of letters somehow makes it acceptable while at the same time, expressing what I feel. Oh, and I do swear at the TV quite often.

29. #29
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    How about:

    pig
    dung
    drop
    C-5 Galaxy
    squadron
    Kaaba
    pilgrims
    squishy
    slimy
    stench

30. #30
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am, sonofdy said:

    Sometimes only swearing fits. This is one of those times. I could expand on my 2 words. But most people here would be offended at the end. Some would be wondering if you really can do that with the body parts mentioned.

31. #31
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am, yohannbiimu said:

    “The Clash of Civilizations.” Invariably, this kind of discussion ends up with us as the good guy and them as the bad guy. There is no clash of civilizations, only a clash between those who are for civilization, and those who are against it. Civilization has many characteristics but two are foundational: 1) It has no place for those who encourage, invite, and/or commit the murder of innocent civilians; and 2) It is defined by institutions that protect and promote both the minority and the transparent rule of law.

    The thing is, Muslims are taught that ISLAM is the basis for all proper behavior and civilized living, while non-Muslims are living in a barbaric pit of cultural darkness and ignorance. So, really, when Muslims reject the use of “clash of civilizations,” they do so on the basis that THEY are the sole basis of human civilization, and the rest of us are not even at the same level (in terms of spiritual and cultural cleanliness) as a camel or a goat.

    I TOO reject the idea that this is a clash of civilizations. Islam is the utmost of inhumanity and cultural vacancy, thus our clash in one of civilization struggling against barbarism and purveyors of a dark age.

32. #32
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am, On-my-soap-box said:

    Would you like some bacon with that?

    Did you hear Murtha is the king of pork?

    This could get fun!!!

33. #33
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am, granite said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am, yohannbiimu said:

    I TOO reject the idea that this is a clash of civilizations. Islam is the utmost of inhumanity and cultural vacancy, thus our clash in one of civilization struggling against barbarism and purveyors of a dark age.

    Agreed.

    We are in a clash between civilization and barbaric savagery. Period.

34. #34
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am, Mister P said:

    I agree, a secular society is godless, that is the point.

35. #35
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am, Flyoverman said:

    4. “Reformation.” Muslims know quite well, and have an opinion about, the battle taking place within Islam and what it means to be an orthodox and devout Muslim. They don’t need to be insulted by suggesting they follow the Christian example of Martin Luther.

    Speaking as a Lutheran, if they followed the example of Luther they would be a whole lot better off. If the example of Martin Luther insults them, that’s their problem.

    “Good fences make good neighbors.”

36. #36
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am, yohannbiimu said:

    That article is such BS. It essentially asks US to alter OUR behavior in order to accommodate Muslims (Dhimmi fashion) in order to not offend. TO HELL WITH IT!!! I AM NOT going to genuflect to these barbaric, intolerant carriers of a plague that threatens humanity’s existence.

    MY vocabulary isn’t the problem. ISLAM is the problem!

37. #37
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    Is festering pustules all right? How about necrotic arm pit hair?

38. #38
    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am, happyscrapper said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 11:50 am, yohannbiimu said:
    That article is such BS. It essentially asks US to alter OUR behavior in order to accommodate Muslims (Dhimmi fashion) in order to not offend. TO HELL WITH IT!!! I AM NOT going to genuflect to these barbaric, intolerant carriers of a plague that threatens humanity’s existence. MY vocabulary isn’t the problem. ISLAM is the problem!

    That is SO right-on! Those people are freedom-hating dog-pigs with jihadi aspirations and our civilization is clashing with their non-civilization, and I have NO tolerance for muslims, who will tolerate no religious freedoms for the rest of us! Gee that felt good.

39. #39
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:

    malkin_fan said (#2):

    Here is a word I don’t like:

    muslim

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews. As long as the religious right makes a practice of hating other religious groups, they will make it Jew again someday soon.

40. #40
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm, b-cat said:

    • Chris Seiple is the president of the Institute for Global Engagement, a “think tank with legs” that promotes sustainable environments for religious freedom worldwide.

    Funny. They’re the same words liberals don’t like.

41. #41
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm, zeroangel said:

    ..and here goes the thread.

    LGM:

    It should be no secret about how I feel about religion in a general sense (all religions).

    That said, I really don’t think the suggestions that Islam’s basic tenants are evil are without merit.

    Islam is among the worst of religions. Furthermore, “moderate” Muslims, could hardly said to be truly practicing what is preached.

42. #42
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pm, rainbow said:

    Too bad what they don’t like. Some of them danced in the streets after the Twin Towers attack and none of them spoke out against it. They live in MY country so either assimulate into our society obeying our rules or get the HELL out. The heck with political correctness. We never seem to do it right anyway!

43. #43
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm, b-cat said:

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews.

    BS. You were not a kid in the 12th century.

    We on the right are the ones that support the only Jewish state on earth, and we find it odd that you don’t.

44. #44
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm, ThunderHawkk said:

    Here are some words and concepts that are not useful in building a relationship with ThunderHawkk.

    1. Barack
    2. Hussein
    3. Obama

    I could go on, but unlike that columnist, I have real work to do today…

45. #45
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews. As long as the religious right makes a practice of hating other religious groups, they will make it Jew again someday soon.

    Funny. The “religious right” have been called to bless Israel. The person who hated you the most stares at you in the mirror daily.

46. #46
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:13 pm, granite said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    The person who hated you the most stares at you in the mirror daily.

    Bingo!!
    Well said!!

47. #47
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm, WarTip said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, lgm said: When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews.

    Odd. Where I grew up, the Religious Right did not hate anyone. Are you sure you are not confusing them with your liberal bong buddies that you partied your way through college with? Or can you remember that far back without the psychedelic clouds blurring your distorted world view?

48. #48
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:17 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    lgm,

    P.S.

    sonofdy is right. History needs to be part of the curriculum in public schools.

    It was a Christian nation that helped the Jews in WWII.

    Just thought I would remind you of that.

49. #49
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm, TXGator said:

    That’s cool. Muslims dislike alot of things. Here’s a few more things they aren’t fond of:
    Music
    Gays
    Dissent
    Any other religion
    Women’s rights
    Freedom of speech
    Freedom of press
    Monogamy (for men, anyway)
    Abortion
    Bacon (!)
    Dogs
    Tolerance
    Calling rape a crime
    Rape victims
    America since it’s founding

    Good thing they are the religion of peace, or they could cause real trouble.

50. #50
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm, John Deaux said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews.

    By religious right, I assume you mean Christians? Did you grow up in 1930′s Germany?

    Did you ever think maybe it wasn’t all Jews, just you?

51. #51
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:22 pm, Salt said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews. As long as the religious right makes a practice of hating other religious groups, they will make it Jew again someday soon.

    Yes, because the left is so tolerant of religious groups they coined the phrase “religious right” and continuously claim that they are the bigoted ones, correct? Do you have any idea if malkin_fan is religious? (S)he may not be. zeroangel expressed a distaste for Islam and we know that he is not religious.

    To combat what you view as hatred towards Muslims, you make them the victim. You self-identify your own perceived victim-hood, announce an opposition for the “religious right” (whom I can only guess really are Christians since its faith you don’t mention), and suggest that you will soon be the victim again.

    You picked up one comment in the thread that could be slanted to your means and attempt to slam an entire group. Well done.

    I practice my Christian faith and I’m a conservative. Does that give me membership to the evil “religious right”, lgm? What about my fellow parishioners who say they are liberal? Are they the religious left? Are they okay?

52. #52
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:30 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    Jesus is Lord. I think Muslims hate that. I should think it would be #1 on their list.

    P.S.

    What Christians did to Muslims at Jeruslem was far worse than what the “religious right” ever did to Jews.

    Also, in WWII, Jews sold out their own kind for survival. In all history, Jews have torn each other apart far worse than the “religious right” ever could. Kinda like Christians do to each other today.

    Oh, and need I remind you lgm, you support the terrorists in GITMO and you claim to be a Jew?

53. #53
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:32 pm, MBuck said:

    Hm. Let me see how many Muslims I can p!$$ off:

    I am FREE by my faith in the LORD JESUS CHRIST, the RESURRECTED ONLY SON of the LIVING GOD, JEHOVAH.

    Think that’ll do it?

54. #54
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:33 pm, zeroangel said:

    zeroangel expressed a distaste for Islam and we know that he is not religious.

    Distaste would hardly do it justice. Islam is without a doubt among the most perverse (if not the most) and disgusting religion on Earth.

    Few religions in the current age have so many adherents that are responsible for such outright violence, death, destruction, and torture as Islam.

    Not only are Muslims themselves responsible, but the religion itself is directly responsible. So many of its creeds, teachers, and supporters outright demand death, destruction, and torture. Indeed you can barely get through a page in the Koran without reading about how you are supposed to kill someone (note: that may be hyperbole to some degree, but there are indeed multiple mentions per page of killing someone in many sections of the Koran.)

    Here is something I read recently which (in some “small” way) highlights my point:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/women-told-you-have-dishonoured-your-family-please-kill-yourself-1655373.html

    Sam Harris begins his “End of Faith” by telling the story of a suicide bomber (without mentioning his religion) and then goes on to make the point:

    Why is it so easy, then, so trivially easy-you-could-almost-bet-your-life-on-it easy to guess the young man’s religion?

    http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/chapter-one/

55. #55
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm, zeroangel said:

    Hm. Let me see how many Muslims I can p!$$ off:

    I’ll take that challenge too! I am pretty darn sure “Allah” does not exist. Furthermore, it would be pretty horrible if he did!

    So there! Hah! *smile*

56. #56
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:42 pm, sonofdy said:

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews.

    Since nazis weren’t christian, that would make you about 200 years old.

    pppfffhhhttt

57. #57
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pm, sonofdy said:

    BTW the muslims sure love jews don’t they???

58. #58
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:48 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    “Pedophile” is probably objectionable to Mohammedans, too, given his ‘marriage’ to a 9 year old girl.

    If hallucinagens were not readily available in the Arabian desert in the 7th century, I can only conclude that Satan dictated the koran. How else to explain passages like the one where the trees and rocks cry out ‘there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come kill him!’ Or any of the other ludicrous passages.

59. #59
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:56 pm, sonofdy said:

    If hallucinagens were not readily available in the Arabian desert in the 7th century, I can only conclude that Satan dictated the koran.

    Hint:

    If you wonder arround the desert for days with no water, you get heat injuries. A symptom of which is???

    answer: You start hallucinating.

60. #60
    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:59 pm, FirstSkirt said:

    Is there a religious left, and if there is, are they considered extremist, racist bigots like the “religious right”? Just asking. By the way, LGM (aka The Putz), try reading history, Christian leaning countries, led by the U.S. have defended Israel, not a bunch of crazed muslims. The muslims living safely here in the U.S. better acclimate themselves to our culture, or they can go quickly back to that 7th century sand-pit and leave us alone.You sure don’t see a lot of them packing up and goin’ back “home”, do you? You continue, LGM, to be frighteningly unaware of what muslims believe and their profound hatred of Jews/Israel.

61. #61
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:01 pm, right4life said:

    As long as the religious right makes a practice of hating other religious groups, they will make it Jew again someday soon.

    this is beyond stupid..but typical for lgm…the religious right is the only non-jewish supporter of israel and the jews left in this world…

62. #62
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:02 pm, zeroangel said:

    Dexter:

    How else to explain passages like the one where the trees and rocks cry out ‘there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come kill him!’ Or any of the other ludicrous passages.

    Indeed. The fact that otherwise rational, reasonable people can so fervently believe in something that is obviously ancient fiction and mythology is so incredible!

    That fact that they wish to harm or kill their fellow man over this fiction is horrific and ridiculous in the extreme.

63. #63
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:06 pm, right4life said:

    The muslims living safely here in the U.S. better acclimate themselves to our culture, or they can go quickly back to that 7th century sand-pit and leave us alone

    not a chance….we will change to accomodate them…as we see in europe…we always follow our euoropean ‘betters’

64. #64
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:08 pm, englishqueen01 said:

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews. As long as the religious right makes a practice of hating other religious groups, they will make it Jew again someday soon.

    Except that the smearing of the Jews was based in falsehoods and lies.

    Muslims, on the other hand, have by and large declared war and open hostilities on anyone not of their approval(including Jews), have engaged in more acts of terrorism than other major religions combined, and have said they won’t stop until the world submits to their theocratic rule.

    The Jews were innocent victims of the irreligious Nazis, who also killed Christians, racial minorities, the disabled, and others.

    Muslims who die after trying to kill us are not innocent victims or martyrs.

65. #65
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pm, Salt said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:48 pm, Dexter Alarius said:

    “Pedophile” is probably objectionable to Mohammedans, too, given his ‘marriage’ to a 9 year old girl.

    If hallucinagens were not readily available in the Arabian desert in the 7th century, I can only conclude that Satan dictated the koran. How else to explain passages like the one where the trees and rocks cry out ‘there is a Jew hiding behind me. Come kill him!’ Or any of the other ludicrous passages.

    You’re not far wrong, actually. The concept of abrogation for the Qur’an is a part of the belief that portions of Mohammad’s words were, indeed, dictated by Shaitan (Satan). (As far as I understand it.)

66. #66
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:15 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm, lgm said:

    When I was a kid, the religious right had a different most hated group: Jews. As long as the religious right makes a practice of hating other religious groups, they will make it Jew again someday soon.

    Oh, and you know this from actual experience? Excuse me, but the “religious right” have always been staunch supporters of Israel and “Judeo-Christian”-led Western Civilization and ethics, so your recollections are either fomented in your vacant skull, or these were endoctrinated into you when you were a brat.

    I was probably already part of this “religious right” that existed when you were a brat, and I have never had any ill feeling towards Jews, either socially or spiritually. Christians generally hold that they were and ARE God’s chosen people, so nothing that you claim makes any sense whatsoever. Just more mindless prattle from an ignorant troll.

67. #67
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:17 pm, Jet Jaguar said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm, zeroangel said:

    I’ll take that challenge too! I am pretty darn sure “Allah” does not exist.

    “Allah” and Islam are simply reincarnations of ancient religions like Baal, Molech, and Asherah worship.

68. #68
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:18 pm, Uplander said:

    Just a reminder, Nazis, Facists, Socialists and Communist, and today Democrats, .are Leftist

69. #69
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:19 pm, zeroangel said:

    Alright, I can’t help myself. I have to take issue with the “Nazis were not religious / Christians” thing.

    Most Germans and indeed many Nazis were Lutheran, IIRC. It was the predominant religion of Germany at the time. Indeed, German soldiers had “Gott mit uns” (god goes with us) on their belt buckles.

    While it is true that Catholics and fringe elements like Mormons were persecuted along with Jews, most religious people were left completely alone as long as they towed the party line about racial superiority and a better Germany.

    A case could be made that Hitler was some strange kind of pagan, a Christian, or even an atheist. Some historians have even suggested that he planned some kind of new state religion with him as the “second coming.” However, still, most Nazis were Christian.

70. #70
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:20 pm, zeroangel said:

    Jet:

    Indeed. I agree.

71. #71
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:23 pm, right4life said:

    However, still, most Nazis were Christian.

    what BS, no surprise considering the source.

    So this second Christmas of Hitler’s war finds Niemoller and upwards of 200,000 other Christians (some estimates run as high as 800,000) behind the barbed wire of the frozen Nazi concentration camps. Here men bear mute witness that the Christ—whose birth the outside world celebrates unthinkingly at Christmas—can still inspire a living faith for which men and women even now endure im prisonment, torture and death as bravely as in centuries past.

    link

72. #72
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:24 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:18 pm, Uplander said:

    Just a reminder, Nazis, Facists, Socialists and Communist, and today Democrats, .are Leftist

    And given the chance, Muslims will kill them all, the same as anyone else who resists them. The thing is, the left has no compass or personal standard that guides them, so when the Jihadist comes with his “offer” to convert to his “religion,” (or die), they will quickly get their beards growing and purchase an easy-to-read Koran.

    Leave it to US to save your sorry godless asses.

73. #73
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:24 pm, right4life said:

    from the same article:

    the world’s most famous scientist, Albert Einstein. Says he:

    “Being a lover of freedom, when the revolution came in Germany, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but, no, the universities immediately were silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers whose flaming editorials in days gone by had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks. . . .

    “Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler’s campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.”

74. #74
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:25 pm, LibTired said:

    The moderate secular interfaith religious freedom assimilation reformation is a tolerance of a jihadi “Clash of Civilizations”.

    How’d I do?

75. #75
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:28 pm, right4life said:

    Prayers & Persecutions. Actually, many a churchman inside Germany prays privately for a Nazi defeat or at least a check to Hitler’s power. Said a Catholic news dispatch from Geneva last month: “It is generally anticipated that in the case of a victorious war the Nazi regime would no longer hesitate to wipe out all vestiges of Christianity in Germany and try to establish a ‘national church’ under Nazi supervision which would be entirely based on the pagan conceptions of ‘blood and soil.’ ”

    Taking a leaf from the Nazi-verboten Old Testament, where King David got rid of Bathsheba’s husband by having him set “in the forefront of the hottest battle . . . that he may be smitten and die.” the Nazis mobilized over 55% of Germany’s Protestant pastors for Army service, most of them as privates. They singled out Confessional pastors especially. In some districts 75% of the recalcitrant Confessional pastors were drafted for front-line service.

    this article is from time magazine, Monday, Dec. 23, 1940

76. #76
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm, LibTired said:

    From the article:

    They are terrorists, hirabists, who consistently violate the most fundamental teachings of the Holy Koran

    How? Why isn’t this explained in detail?

77. #77
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm, zeroangel said:

    Oh for goodness sake right4life. Nothing in that article contradicts what I said.

    I’ll repeat:

    most religious people were left completely alone as long as they towed the party line

78. #78
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:32 pm, b-cat said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:11 pm, Salt said:
    You’re not far wrong, actually. The concept of abrogation for the Qur’an is a part of the belief that portions of Mohammad’s words were, indeed, dictated by Shaitan (Satan). (As far as I understand it.)

    http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

    There is a lot that Islam doesn’t like.

79. #79
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:35 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:19 pm, zeroangel said:

    …most Nazis were Christian.

    The same way Obama calls himself “a Christian.” Christian means “little Christ” or refers to one who behaves as Christ did. In other words, they are people who believe and live in the way Jesus Christ taught and lived (as is humanly possible).

    A person who followed Adolf Hitler (or those who continue to do so) and his dictates were NOT following Christian precepts, hence they were NOT Christians. You can’t be a Christian Nazi any more than you can be a Capitalist Bolshevik.

80. #80
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:36 pm, right4life said:

    Oh for goodness sake right4life. Nothing in that article contradicts what I said.

    I’ll repeat:

    the religious people did NOT ‘tow the party line’ its why so many of them were in concentration camps…

    unless you want to make a distinction between ‘religous people’ whateve that is, and christians…you know the nazis started a false chuch Deutsche Christen to replace the christian church.

    the ‘party line’ was to replace the cross with the swastika…so by definition those who followed the swastika couldn’t be christian.

81. #81
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:38 pm, right4life said:

    this may tell you what the nazi church was all about…

    Minister of Church Affairs Hanns Kerrl. Minister Kerrl’s creed: “The primacy of the State over the Church must be recognized. . . . The question of the divinity of Christ is ridiculous and unessential. A new authority, Adolf Hitler, has arisen as to what Christ and Christianity really are.” To Minister Kerrl, Adolf Hitler is “the Jesus Christ as well as the Holy Ghost of the Fatherland.”

82. #82
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:40 pm, zeroangel said:

    yohannbiimu / right4life:

    Yes, I get it, the “not a true Christian” argument. It still doesn’t mean they were atheists, pagans, or otherwise.

    Indeed, if you asked a typical Nazi of the type we are discussing, “Do you think that Jesus was the son of God?” They would most likely say “yes” and probably claim to be some kind of Christian.

83. #83
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pm, zeroangel said:

    right4life:

    No, that tells you what Hanns Kerrl purportedly thought.

    It doesn’t tell you what the typical Nazi thought, publically or privately.

84. #84
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:42 pm, granite said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm, LibTired said:

    From the article:

    They are terrorists, hirabists, who consistently violate the most fundamental teachings of the Holy Koran

    How? Why isn’t this explained in detail?

    Exactly!
    Because it’s just the same, lame unsubstantiated BS.
    Excellent point!

85. #85
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:43 pm, On-my-soap-box said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:35 pm, yohannbiimu said:

    The same way Obama calls himself “a Christian.” Christian means “little Christ” or refers to one who behaves as Christ did. In other words, they are people who believe and live in the way Jesus Christ taught and lived (as is humanly possible).

    A person who followed Adolf Hitler (or those who continue to do so) and his dictates were NOT following Christian precepts, hence they were NOT Christians. You can’t be a Christian Nazi any more than you can be a Capitalist Bolshevik.

    Bingo! Like callin a triangle round. Just because you can does not make it so.

86. #86
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:47 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    zeroangel said:
    right4life:

    No, that tells you what Hanns Kerrl purportedly thought.

    It doesn’t tell you what the typical Nazi thought, publically or privately.

    Oh bu!!sh!t. If they didn’t think the same why would they be Nazis.

87. #87
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pm, cheapseat said:

    someone put a great link on this blog about the stages of muslim takeover. the phillipines have reached critical mass. this weekend the religion of peace and love as represented by abu sayed demanded the phillipines give up part of their islands to become a muslim state. check me if i’m wrong, but aren’t all the indonesian islands muslim? britain is also at the tipping point, as are france and several other eu countries. minneapolis, detroit, new jersey and other areas are also at the point where the muslims are demanding sharia law, etc. take note.

88. #88
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:49 pm, sonofdy said:

    The nazi leadership were more into pagainsm than christianity. Where do you think they got thier symbol from???

89. #89
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:50 pm, right4life said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pm, zeroangel said:
    right4life:

    No, that tells you what Hanns Kerrl purportedly thought.

    It doesn’t tell you what the typical Nazi thought, publically or privately.

    he WAS A typical nazi…sigh…

    people like you will smear the christian church no matter the truth.

90. #90
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:50 pm, b-cat said:

    Hitler was not a Christian in any way. He had a Christian upbringing. Not the same thing. He never surrendered to Jesus and his well documented life is a testament to his demonic soul.

91. #91
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:50 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:25 pm, LibTired said:
    The moderate secular interfaith religious freedom assimilation reformation is a tolerance of a jihadi “Clash of Civilizations”.

    How’d I do?

    Niiice!

92. #92
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:51 pm, right4life said:

    Yes, I get it, the “not a true Christian” argument. It still doesn’t mean they were atheists, pagans, or otherwise.

    if you’re not a christian, then you’re probably a pagan, an atheist, or otherwise…sigh…

93. #93
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:51 pm, zeroangel said:

    AlohaGuy:

    I can think of several reasons why someone who lived in Germany in that time period would become a Nazi whether or not they believed Jesus was the son of God.

    A person can still be a racist, bigoted, jingoist and still be “religious.” Muslims demonstrate that nicely.

94. #94
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:53 pm, zeroangel said:

    people like you will smear the christian church no matter the truth.

    OK, that’s it. WTF are you talking about? How does saying that many Nazis were Christian smear the Christian church? If I said, being Christian means you must be a Nazi you would have a point, I did not say that at all.

95. #95
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:56 pm, happyscrapper said:

    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:41 pm,
    

    zeroangel said:
    right4life:

    No, that tells you what Hanns Kerrl purportedly thought.

    It doesn’t tell you what the typical Nazi thought, publically or privately.

    There was a “typical Nazi”? I didn’t know that. I do know, however, that people who murder others, whether by orders from their “superiors” or because they hate…ARE NOT CHRISTIANS!.

96. #96
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:56 pm, right4life said:

    How does saying that many Nazis were Christian smear the Christian church?

    its rather obvious to anyone with an ounce of intelligence.

97. #97
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:57 pm, rightisright said:

    lgm if your not a zombie, which i thoroughly believe you are, you are one dumb, closed minded, kool aid drinking fool.

98. #98
    On March 31st, 2009 at 1:58 pm, happyscrapper said:

    Obama is not a Christian either. He is an angry, black liberationist, Chicago thug who is in the process of destroying the greatest Christian nation the world has ever seen. That is very inconsistent with the tenents of Christianity. He can say he is a Christian all he wants…it just aint so.

99. #99
    On March 31st, 2009 at 2:00 pm, zeroangel said:

    Oh for goodness sake.

    Don’t you guys understand what I mean by the “not a true Christian” argument?

    Let me explain:

    Basically, you guys will make a claim that being “Muslim, atheist, pagan, etc.” leads to such and such.

    Then, if anyone points out, well, “Christians” have done similar, you go on to say, “they weren’t TRUE Christians.”

    Don’t you see how this sword cuts both ways? Can’t you understand that anyone (Muslim, atheist, pagan, etc.) could trot out the same “Not a TRUE ” argument?

    Refer to #82.

100. #100
     On March 31st, 2009 at 2:01 pm, happyscrapper said:

     On March 31st, 2009 at 1:57 pm, rightisright said:
     lgm if your not a zombie, which i thoroughly believe you are, you are one dumb, closed minded, kool aid drinking fool.

     Agree! And I am getting very tired of his idiotic comments junking up our threads. Tiresome. He does not add a thing to the discussion. Not sure why he is still allowed to come in here when he serves no other purpose but to annoy.