Words Muslims don’t like
Not making this up: “10 terms not to use with Muslims.” On the list:
Assimilation. Freedom. Religious freedom. Tolerance.
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Obama is not a Christian either. He is an angry, black liberationist, Chicago thug who is in the process of destroying the greatest Christian nation the world has ever seen. That is very inconsistent with the tenents of Christianity. He can say he is a Christian all he wants…it just aint so.
Oh for goodness sake.
Don’t you guys understand what I mean by the “not a true Christian” argument?
Let me explain:
Basically, you guys will make a claim that being “Muslim, atheist, pagan, etc.” leads to such and such.
Then, if anyone points out, well, “Christians” have done similar, you go on to say, “they weren’t TRUE Christians.”
Don’t you see how this sword cuts both ways? Can’t you understand that anyone (Muslim, atheist, pagan, etc.) could trot out the same “Not a TRUE ” argument?
Refer to #82.
Agree! And I am getting very tired of his idiotic comments junking up our threads. Tiresome. He does not add a thing to the discussion. Not sure why he is still allowed to come in here when he serves no other purpose but to annoy.
…indeed many “moderate” Muslims make the claim that the “fundamentalist” are “not TRUE Muslims.”
Happyscrapper:
Since he hasn’t violated the TOS to date (unlike some others who may have and who are still posting), there is no reason why he shouldn’t be allowed to post.
I for one, welcome the chance to argue against opposing viewpoints.
What a sad place MM’s site would be if it were only full of sycophants agreeing with MM and one another.
I grew up deeeep within the Bible Belt where at any moment the Book of Revelations was about to come to fruition.
In all my years, I never knew of one derogatory comment about Jews or Muslims (but then both white people and black people called each other the same N-word and it didnt mean anything either. And that was long before My Nigga was the substitue phrase)
I didnt ‘officially’ meet my first Jewish person until I was 19. To this day, I still dont understand what the issue is NOR why catholics and protestants cant get along. And I dont want to know either.
Geez, all of us are going to die. And theres a whole lot of us in a whole lot of religons and atheists that are going to say “@$#%@$%@ I wasted my whole life believing/not believing that BS”
If there’s an afterlife….. I dont care. If there is, then its a bonus. Im tired of this life and Im pretty sure I was tired of the last one too.
On March 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pm, rainbow said:
I guarantee you when push comes to shove these so called moderate mooslims will join sides with their fellow brothers to convert, tax or kill every infidel they see. To these archaic cultists blood is not thicker than their religion. Example: honor killings. Honor killings my butt, they are sick, pervert, cultist actions, and don’t ever think other wise or you will pay deeply.
RabbidSquirrel in #103:
Awesome. Just f**king awesome. that was among the most coherent and rational things ever said on MM’s site.
Bravo. Really, bang-up job!
Words Muslims don’t like:
Southpaw
Opposing viewpoints, yes. Like Chap. Or you. But lgm only pops in to make a dumb statement, the only purpose being to goad and get us off topic. That kind of viewpoint is pointless.
Taliban Leader’s Washington Threat Is Credible, Analysts Say
Sweet, its almost Sep 12th again! The real estate market has crashed, the commercial real estate market is about to crash. Hmmm I wonder if I can short the government real estate market.
The snow here has almost all melted, so Im going to go the hot tub, work on my tan today and think about this.
Interesting they would choose Washington. I mean, that would almost be doing this country a favor!
He does provide buffoon relief of a sort.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he had a harlequin outfit, complete with a cap with points and bells.
Happyscrapper:
I am happy to see that I am now welcome here *smile*.
In any case, I can’t say that I agree. I have appreciated LGM’s comments on more than one occasion. I have often disagreed with him (and many times agreed) but at the least he has helped me refine my position. In this thread, he was useful in that he very nicely illustrated some of the hypocrisy of the far-left (condemnation of Israel and misplaced “tolerance” or “multi-culturalism”)
If this were true, and LGM was successful in this pursuit, it is not his fault, but their fault for falling for it.
I’m not saying that…I’m saying the nazis were NOT christians.
Stalin was a choir boy, but in no realistic sense was he a christian…same with hitler..he may have been raised catholic, or whatever, but he was obviously not.
the attempt to subvert the church with a Duetchen christen church, and the statments from the minister of churches from the nazi era should tell you all you need to know..
but no, you refuse to acknowledge that, and continue to say that ‘most nazis were christians’ ok, prove it.
all you have done is throw out baseless charges, lets see your documentation
right4life:
Even if I managed to scour the web or historical records in Germany and produced a census from 1939 documenting that, indeed, the overwhelming majority of Germans and even Nazi party members were Protestants it wouldn’t convince you.
Why should I waste my time to prove a ridiculous point to someone as pugnacious as you?
Pascal’s Wager
That statement was so wrong yet felt so right…
uh right…I have the documentation, from time magazine, not exactly part of the VRWC, and you got…nothing…as usual…
Zeroangel, The nazis were christian, WHEN IT SUITED THEM TO BE SO. Under it all was a strong tide of paganism. Thats what the whole aryan crap sandwhich was based on. Paganism, basicaly norse mythology. It doesn’t matter in the end because thier actions proved to be more humanistic than religous anyway.
right4life:
No, I am not going to expand any effort looking for a document that I will inevitably find because trying to make a plainly obvious point to you is a complete waste of time.
You’re right, Zero…it is hard not to feed a troll. It also helps to let off steam.
The Protestant Reformation started in Germany in 1546.
Some Germans were Protestants.
Some Germans were Nazis.
Therefore, some Nazis were Protestants.
There’s a name for this fallacy, but it escapes me at the moment.
sonofdy:
See #82. In any case, there was nothing at all “humanistic” about Nazis.
They weren’t “TRUE” humanists. *smile*
pianoman:
Pascal’s Wager! That tears it! I better start sacrificing virgins to the Sun God. I don’t want to take the chance of being wrong *wink*.
pianoman: in #120
It’s a inference. Not a logic arguement (and I never said it was). I think it’s a fairly safe assumption.
Yes, I felt that way as I typed it. I wondered if I was going too far. But decided I wasn’t, and that it reflected what most on this thread were thinking too.
I don’t usually enter into religion debates, but I had to point out to zeroangel that if the moderate Muslim community would actually come out en masse and say that the extremists of their religion were not true Muslims, maybe we’d be getting somewhere in the Middle East.
zeroangel, not sure why you want to base nazi thought on christianity since it is clearly not. It is pagan/humanistic at its base.
Zero…you can be a Protestant by definition yet still not be a Christian. Lots of Protestants in this world…professing to be Christians, yet never have received Jesus as their Savior. Thus, NOT Christians. Saying it doesn’t make it so.
its OBVIOUS that making a point, a documented point is a waste of time with you…
you don’t let facts get in the way of your lies!!
you’re a typical atheist. and now a proven liar.
Nancy Pelosi calls herself a Catholic.
actually NAZISM is EVOLUTIONARY as hell…and thats what people like zero cannot accept…
they cannot stand the truth about their hairygod darwin and their creation myth, evolution…
Uh, I think it started already.
flmom:
Yes. I agree. Unfortunately, the only Muslims that seem to do so are the ones safely in the West.
Happyscrapper:
I think you and I are using a different definiotn of “Protestant.” I am referring to definition 1b:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/protestant
Sonofdy:
I wasn’t trying to base Christianity on Nazism at all. I only brought it up because I got a wiff of the same argument you are repeating now, that Nazism is based on Humanism, it clearly is not.
Right4life:
‘your momma. I see I have gotten you started on a rant again. By all means, continue.
You are right! And led by a Muslim too.
That is lgm’s only redeeming virtue.
Y’all said everything and I can’t improve upon anything but I had to add a few words to my list:
KISS
MY
ARSE
!!!!
yeah I made you look stupid as hell, as usual.
the only thing obvious, is your lies, and imperviousness to the truth!
such stupidity has to hurt.
Still, anyone can CLAIM to be a Christian merely because they belong to a Protestant “sect” or a Catholic one. The point is, being one of those members does not, in itself, make you a true Christian. You have to become “born again” and accept Jesus as your Savior and come under the state of Grace to make that claim. Nazis may have claimed to be Christian. But again I say…Anyone who murders another merely because someone tells them to, or because they hate a certain type of people…ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.
the truth is that the nazis were EVOLUTIONISTS…ie atheists…thats why people like you have to lie and say they were christians…
its a typical atheist tactic….
they didn’t even claim that…and less-than-zero has nothing to back up his ASSertions…as usual
Happyscrapper:
see #99.
It clearly is a solid basis for it.
sonofdy:
No. You are absolutely wrong.
There is nothing at all that affirms the dignity and worth of ALL people in Nazism. It is directly incompatible with humanism.
You have been lied to about humanism.
Those are the 10 terms/phrases not to use in front of a Muslim? Wow. I thought things like “World Trade Center,” or “Ground Zero,” or “Hey, what’s it like to be on the receiving end of a US Sniper?” would be FAR more offensive.
Consider me tutored.
I notice the use of the conditional/subjunctive “were” in the last sentence.
Now, does that sentence indicate that, irrespective of the presence or absence of our harlequin buffoon relief-provider, this place is not sad, and not filled with sycophants?
Or, is that sentence a gratuitous insult to the posters here, essentially telling the posters that they are indeed sycophants; and that, but for the presence of the harlequin, the sycophants would be the only ones at this place?
How exactly do you spin that sentence?
granite:
The former, obviously, I am here. HAHA. j/k. The former, honeslty.
more BS…
link
humanism is atheism…and we’ve seen how bloody atheism is once its in power…
check out the humanist manifesto(s) they’re atheist as hell…and socialist as hell…and the nazis were national socialists…
way to stay on topic, kids
humanist => atheist => socialist => Nazis.
The first step is obvious, and never denied. The second two are ridiculous as illustrated by Objectivists (Ayn Rand) and countless others.
humanism, ie atheism is very socialist in nature. the manifestos make that clear.
the soviet union and other atheist states were socialist.
NAZI stood for national socialist german workers party…
the left likes to say the nazis were ‘right wing christians’ and its such an obvious lie…
A-Y-N -SPACE- R-A-N-D.
I think we all knew it would end up here, especially after lgm reminded everyone how he’s the perpetual victim of the ‘religious right’.
W H O C A R E S?
Does anyone know a decent place to fly fish in Eastern PA, other then the Delaware?
What’s all this about the Belgians putting mayonnaise on french fries?
This spring feels a lot colder and wetter than any I can remember for at least 3 or 4 years.
What’s that you say? This is supposed to be about terms that offend muslims?
I thought it was an open forum…
Ayn Rand was an atheist.
Salt:
Heh. Indeed. It seriously could have been avoided if my pet peeve Nazis <=> atheists wasn’t eluded to. I’ll take partial blame for this distraction, but only in the sense that I refuse to keep my mouth shut over that particular annoyance (I shouldn’t have to, either).
Mookie:
I know, that was my point.
I know it was.
again so what? I didn’t say all atheists were socialists.
I guess I don’t get your point here. Christians have historically been on the side of the good and compassionate. There have been some cases where that has been twisted and history has been fictionalized (Crusades, which were actually self-defense after decades of persecution). But Christians, for the most part, have been on the side of good and right and just. I don’t know of any other group that can profess that. Muslims?? Good grief, NO. Atheists and Pagans? If push came to shove, I don’t think that group, as a whole, can be counted on to fight for the right, and try to stem the flow of natzism, for example. You can be a muslim and claim that those who kill the infidels and cut off people’s heads, etc. are not TRUE muslim. But history and the actual facts tell us otherwise. And the issue of them NOT standing up for moderation says a lot about the true muslim.
I suppose there’s only so much you can say about avoiding words in the English language to appease Turkish Muslims.
The teleprompter-in-chief is more concerned with word tempo, dramatic pauses, and thoughtful looks at 35 degrees off center anyway.
Besides, if any of those terrorists groups get cranky (not speaking of Turkey specifically since they appear to actually prosecute terrorism), he’ll send Joe. No one messes with Joe. He’s super serious.
I agree we got a bit off topic. But yet, we actually didn’t. We were speaking about Muslims and their intolerance. The rest of our comments were a natural progression of that theme. I don’t think that counts as going off topic. Now, if we were to start talking about the floods in North Dakota, or my grandchildren…I might consider that a bit off topic.
Happyscrapper:
Your comment is a perfect illustration of what I am talking about. If anything is done that is not “good” by someone who calls themself a “Christian” you will say they are not a TRUE Christian.
Contrawise, you will say of any “good” atheists, pagans, or otherwise, that they are an exception to the rule, and that their philosophies are, at their core, “bad.”
this from the person who says nazis were christians
I know you atheists like to think you’re the smartest people in the room, but you missed my point(s)
1) atheists tend to be socialists…the nazis were socialists…this points to the nazis as being athiests…or ‘humanists’
2) the nazis were big evolutionists…you won’t find the ‘master race’ in the bible…but the concept is inherent in evolution, since one race must be more ‘fit’ than the other…
so its far more likely to say the nazis were atheists than christians…
especially since zero has zero documentation, logic, history, etc. to back up his claim…
Just so my comments aren’t taken out of context (and in case anyone takes R4L seriously):
It is true that I am making the case that the majority of Nazis were very likely Christian. I am not trying to say that Christianity leads to Nazism, racism, jingoism, etc. I would say that those things are against the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Atheists also tend to well educated, does this mean the Nazis were smart? Of course not.
If anyone thinks evolution implies racial superiority than they don’t understand evolution. Yes, that includes Darwin; in addition, he misunderstood genetics, among other things.
*tend to be
I saw on foxnews.com that they were possibly targeting the White House. Now, that makes me mad! Don’t you Taliban hit the WH! Lord knows, if Obama is there and gets killed, we get Biden as President. Hmm. Biden as President? Well, that would surely amaze the world…that he would last a week without destroying the country. Probably sleep through the entire Presidency.
you have your own private theory of evolution then huh??
“Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1859, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.” Stephen Jay Gould,
‘Ontogeny and Phylogeny’, Belknap-Harvard Press, pp. 27-128
its obvious in evolution that the races are not equally evolved…and one has to be more ‘fit’ than another…
its inherent in evolution…sorry.
Mookie, I apologize for my sarcastic criticism of your writing earlier…
Are you still being sarcastic?
No apologies necessary. The internet is a bloodsport.
In evolution, any organism is evolved to “fit” it’s environment.
No one is “more evolved” or “more fit” than another.
H. Sapiens sapiens are among the most genetically “similar” species, despite the racial differences.
In any case; blacks are “most fit” for the climate and environment of Africa, the same can be said of whites and Europe, and for any other races.
None of this implies “superiority” and despite any others perverting science to fit their nefarious goals, it does not change that fact.
On top of that, even if anyone does make some kind of factual claim about one race being “better evolved” in some area; that doesn’t justify racism. For example, Kenyan’s are (as a group) arguably better “evolved” to be long-distance runners (due to the high-altitudes they live in); that doesn’t justify “racism.”
R4L is, of course, aware of this, since it is likely the 50th time I have said it. He just chooses to ignore it.
That said, this is the last time in this thread I will respond to his idiocy. If I do otherwise, someone please smack me with a wet noodle.
Thank you.
again you ignore the plain truth, as GOULD knew…and you do not speak for science, or evolution, as Gould did..please…I’ll let Darwin, and his supporters speak for themselves…
truth hurts doesn’t it there zero??
and as Watson shows, this continues to this day…
and notice less-than-zero…you have no documentation to back up what you say..
again this shows that atheists are nothing more than legends in their own minds…they’re not nearly as smart as they think they are…
Salt:
If I didn’t limit it I’ll no doubt forget and be hit with quite a few wet noodles
.
Besides, the light of reason needs to shine at least once whenever he shows up.
BINGO.
when you shine the light of reason, I’ll convert to atheism
happyscrapper:
So, you agree with what I am saying?
I consider myself both. Sorry.
happyscrapper:
Huh? Both what? Both “more evolved” and “more fit?” Then who?
It sounds like I agree with what I think you said…but I am exhausted trying to argue the point. So, I pretty much give up. No more arguing on this subject. What you said is partially true and partially twisted logic. But again, I give up. I have to leave the house for now and I don’t want to pick up where we left off.
Now, if you want to change the subject to my grandchildren, I will be happy to discuss them with you!
happyscrapper:
It’s fine by me. If you would like to highlight to me what you think is “twisted logic” at some future point I will take further care to explain the logic I used to arrive at said conclusion. If you don’t want to discuss it further, that is also ok. Have a nice day.
Um…you maybe? For sure Bill Maher. And probably Sandra Bernhardt. And definitely most everyone in Congress…on and on. I could make a really long post here. I consider myself much more evolved than any liberal on the planet. As for more fit…I am pretty fit, and therefore, more fit than a large portion of the population who are fat and lazy.
One more thing before I go, Zero. You want me to say that you were right and I was wrong. However, the truth is that we both think we are right and will probably never agree. I am a born-again Christian and you are an admitted atheist. So let’s just agree to disagree and leave it at that. I only said BINGO
to make you happy.
Sorry…hit the submit button too soon!
Happyscrapper:
Ah, I see, you were just joking around. Obviously, you aren’t making a serious statement to the effect that one human being is “more evolved” than another in a genetic sense. Certainly, you aren’t trying to say something like whites are “more evolved” than blacks.
As far as saying who is right or wrong. I just want you to understand my point. Since you yourself say you agree “with what you think I said” it leads me to believe that you didn’t understand me. It’s important to me that people understand what I am saying. You can disagree; just please understand me.
we understand you all too well…you on the other hand will never understand us…
Oh fer pete’s sake!
I’m pretty sure I’m experiencing deja vu, but I suspect zeroangel will tell me I’m wrong.
John:
It’s deja vu for sure, but I didn’t bring up evolution or nazis.
you didn’t bring up nazis, but you COULDN’T STAND IT when someone said they were NOT christians…
its one of the articles of faith among the atheists/leftists/wackos that nazis were right wing christians, just like JERRY FALWELL…
its one of your many delusions…
truth hurts.
I have never been anything other than completely straightforward and honest when I have said (numerous times) that I resent the implication that Nazis were atheists or that atheism leads to Nazism.
I have never said Nazis were extreme right-wing Christians. Indeed I count them as both socially conservative and fiscally liberal in contrast to “right-wing Christians” whom are both socially and fiscally conservative.
Now, some one hit me with that noodle. I’m sorry, but I can’t let R4L’s lies and distortions stand. He might not be able to conceive of anything other than a 2-dimensional political spectrum, but I think most of you are a bit more sophisticated.
Just as a side note, I’d remind everyone that hitler outlawed the Bible and all organized religions…had all existing churches either burned to the ground or converted into nazi meeting houses, promoted “mein kampf” as the highest required and respected writing, sentenced many pastors to death, and did every other thing to set up nazism as a religion. In my view this is not unlike what liberals and athiests do today, wherein they set up “science” as their religion of sorts, and Darwin is their prophet. I agree that some athiests are well educated…I’d also remark that a good education in many cases is little more than in depth indoctrination into liberal policies and a general lack of respect for others, not to mention a complete lack of common sense. Any way you slice it, the nazis had a lot in common with todays liberals and athiests, and nothing as far as I can see with Christianity. I suggest “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” by William Shrirer for anyone wanting some historical knowledge of what nazis really were.
WHAT? Are you out of your mind? I don’t think I ever heard of Hitchens, Harris, Dawkins, or indeed anyone else killing anyone or burning down anything.
Look, if we are going to be absolutely absurd and engage in extreme hyperbole, what is the point of even discussing this?
You’re putting words into my mouth. I said a lot in common, I don’t recall talking about killing, though the ELF enviroweenie terrorists are pretty good at burning things down, especially hospitals and research labs. Whether you like the comparison or not is immaterial to history and fact; a lot of liberal doublespeak and fancy footwork really doesn’t change the way things are. Bill Mahr(?) may be “educated,” but he lacks respect and compassion. Al Gore may be “educated” but his religion is money and “global warming.” My personally held beliefs include helping others, not trying to make a buck off their suffering or trying to infringe on their way of life. Radical islamists will chop a head off for the wrong thing said, and athiests will sue at the mere mention of God, so it looks like another quasi liberal issue of CONTROL over others, usually by force. By the by, I don’t know that we’re discussing anything…you have your thoughts and I have mine, I seriously doubt there is any room for agreement because I apply facts and reason, can’t be swayed by hyperbole, and am sick of the portrayal and belittlement of athiests against those who have a personal belief in God. I respect your desire to believe in nothing so long as you don’t infringe on my belief, but I’m not very tolerant of ANYONE equating in any sense nazism and Christianity when the simple facts and history prove a much greater similarity between athiesm/liberalism and nazism.
Oops…I meant “portrayal and belittlement BY athiests,” not OF. I could blame it on the keyboard but that would be wrong….just my poor english skills, mea culpa.
hitcharide:
I’m sorry, but atheists have nothing in common with Nazis. Indeed, being an atheist doesn’t mean you have to be liberal. ELF have nothing in coming with atheists either.
Read #164. I am sick of people trying to say atheism => liberalism => socialism => Nazism. Furthermore, you will be hard pressed to find any place that I belittle anyone except when I am responding in kind.
It is painfully obvious that many of the loudest atheist are liberal, the reason should be obvious. That conservative atheists feign belief so as not to incur the wrath of thier political allies who certainly DON’T respect thier beliefs.
I don’t know of any conservative athiests…never heard of any. It may be possible that such a person feigns belief for the reason you say, but that is because people with strong morals and core values will tolerate some things but certainly not support or encourage them. I’m sure not all athiests are as fervent as some, but the similarities between nazism and athiesm/liberalism are obvious and well documented. I expect I would be offended as well were my belief system so closely in line with a known historical travesty, but the facts are their nonetheless. It’s not just “words muslims don’t like,” it’s also “words liberals don’t like,” and wow, but there’s a lot of similarity there as well. I missed the meeting where conservatives and Christians aren’t allowed full enjoyment of 1st amendment rights; any casual google search provides many examples of oppresion against Christians. The main problem appears to be that for too long, political correctness reigned, all the worlds ills somehow landed at the feet of Christianity, and the “well educated” intelligentsia of the left has equated those of us who believe with the most disparaging comments while giving a complete pass to others who actually do the crimes. I’m a member of that ever-growing population that went along with whatever the liberals/athiests came up with, kept my head down, tried to avoid waves, and so forth. No more. I won’t be dictated to as to what I’m allowed to believe, I won’t allow someone to change the definition of what a thing is, I won’t allow someone to deflect where the blame truly lies for whatever crime committed, and I’m quite outspoken about it. The rules have changed…instead of your side dictating the standards, I now go by the idea that we will all, and I mean ALL of us, be held to the same standards, without exception, without “shades of grey.” Muslims don’t like certain words, but my constitution guarantees me the right to use whatever words I want. Liberals and athiests talk about seperation of church and state, but it’s not in the constitution, and I will express my beliefs in the manner I see fit because that IS in the constitution. Lastly, your comment 164 is WRONG. Again, I suggest you read the book I identified in my comment 192 and then you’ll have some actual evidence to back up what I say. You can believe what you will, but the simple history and facts don’t bear you out; you don’t have to like it, it’s just the way it is and denying it or claiming otherwise changes nothing.