Seriously: “Send in the Clowns” on Queenzbop playlist
My kids love those Kidzbop music CDs. I hope the Queen of Englad is enjoying the Queenzbop playlist our cheesy president chose for her iPod.
JWF points out that the most fitting tune ever is on the playlist:
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On April 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 am, zeroangel said:
No but atheist libertarians are. As such I am aligned with sc’s to defeat your team. Winston Churchill + FDR + Stalin = defeat of Hitler.
At least sc’s recognize that slavery is slavery, whether at the bloody end of a whip or the smiling sugary-sweet love of your “caring” collectivism and its whip, the IRS.
I can forgo smoking herb for another decade to prevent you from enslaving me economically. So here I am on the battlefield.
But oops, I gotta go back to work to pay off your soft-tyranny enslavement, see ya later you sicko collectivists
Sybil:
So, I am an arrogant troll but you can’t help keep responding to me (or to my posts). Like a child that knows if she eats too many cookies she will get a tummy ache but just can’t help herself.
You are a supercilious lout. By all means keep responding, this is honestly amusing.
John:
Sybil has personally attacked me on many occasions and continues to do so. It is obvious she has a personal problem with me because of my politics as she will argue with me over the color of the sky. I have many times tried to be polite with her.
WarEagle82:
Ok? So, a non-answer? Got it.
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which in 100 days actions threaten 200 years of freedom’s progress, We, therefore, the liberty loving people of America, appeal to the State of Great Britain for aid and assistance. Please help us recover our constitutional government from the hands of these Statist userpers.
FilmLadd:
Not this ridiculous argument again.
How many times to I have to ask if you honestly think Ayn Rand style objectivism would lead to genocide?
I heard about that on FOX this morning! It scared the he!! out of me, and it should have frightened the moron who thought it was a “compliment”! Obama not only knows how he voted, you can be sure he knows DeFazio’s complete history, including tax records, and where his kids go to school. Anyone who votes against the One is in danger. I am not being paranoid. The man is a Chicago Thug, after all, and you can be sure he has not given up his thug tactics. Has anyone heard him speak out against any of the “shenanigans” the left has been pulling? He approved of all of it. That is how he was raised, and that is how he has always been. Why would it be any different now that he has complete POWER? He is like a kid in a candy store…like J Edgar Hoover was…only straight.
Sorry for the “off-topic”. Now, back to our regularly scheduled thread.
Yeah, I think it’s her way of handling “Grandma, whaddya want for Christmas?” Most grandmas invariable aim low, considering the asker’s taste and pocket money.
No offense ZA, but it is funny how you and Chap seem to “trade-off” shifts on hot threads (those of 90+ comments).
DBinKY:
Well, for me, the hot button ones are the most fun. It’s no good jumping into a thread and saying, “Yah! I hate high taxes too!”
I don’t know how Chap sees it from his perspective though.
No offense, but that is a dumb insinuation. Feel free to have some mod check to see if we are posting from unique IP addresses, though.
One does have to wonder who is advising Obama on those ridiculous gifts!! They should be fired! He is looking like an idiot to the rest of the world. I want him to crash and burn. I want him to fail. And quickly before he can do more harm. If this gift boo-boo puts another nail in his political coffin, then I am glad it happened, even though it makes the U.S. look bad too.
Chap:
Ah? is that what we was trying to say? Gee, I am embarrassed I missed it.
DBinKY:
Say it ain’t so! You actually think I am the “Superman” to Chap’s “Clark Kent?”
LOL! we should be he above when refering to DBinKY above.
Yeah Zero – because this thread about Ipods and rare songbooks is so enlightening. I’d rather go back to the taxes thread – see ya!
DING! DING! DING! DING! We have a winner, folks! Hand that man a cigar and another free-play!
Ha! Not THIS Grandma! I expect the best gifts, and if I don’t get them, I go out after my birthday, or Christmas or Mother’s Day and buy it for myself. That includes the grandkids and their little piggy banks. Break open those suckers and take care of Grandma. You never know how long she is going to be on this earth. (That one get them every time.)
Like hell. YOU are Clark kent.
Actually, I think that would be very offensive to Chappy. He has a great wit and a self-deprecating style, very unlike Zero.
happy2behere:
Apparently something about it was interesting because the last one on this topic had 200+ posts and this one is already at 100+
DBinKY:
As Chap said, it’s dumb. Go contact a mod as he says.
Chap:
*smile*
Sybil:
Interesting strategy.
To try and insult the troll who I will not engage; I will suck up to another person.
Your shame knows no bounds.
NullNull,
It seemed an appropriate response to your non-question…
Whiskey-Echo-AIT-TOO:
NINER-TOO. OVER.
Schoolyard squabbles on this thread. Not a good reflection on the participants. Please can you take it elsewhere?
Ha. Well, I don’t buy the sockpuppet theory, but I might point out that if you’re clever enough to know about IP addresses, you’ll likely know about proxies.
FruNobulux:
We have juvenile hi-jinks in a juvenile thread about songs on an iPod. I think it’s completely apropos.
Stash this one with “homeless” men with cell phones and Jihadist Dunkin Donuts commercials.
I think a simple test for the appropriateness of a gift to a head of state would be this: It should be something you can’t stop and buy at Best Buy or Target (or, the White House Gift Shop)on the way home from work.
You would be wrong. There is a definite ceiling to my computer saavy.
That is why I like Ipods so much. They are so user friendly. Really, the perfect gift for any occasion.
Salt:
It’s false, and stupid. It belongs in the same pile as 9-11 truthers.
Why are you telling me? I didn’t say I agreed with it. I was just having fun poking holes in Chap’s alibi.
Salt:
Not so much for your benefit but for the Chappy / ZA truthers that will inevitably run with it.
I suppose that’s true given how you capitalize “iPod”.
Point taken.
I received an iPod Nano as a gift. I hated it. I gave it to my sister for her oldest teenager.
I hate the feeling of solitude/cut off from the world/self-centeredness of it.
She is “The Gatekeeper”.
And I am a friend of ‘The Keymaster’
RabbidSquirrel
You can call me ‘Dragon’.
Together we will ride mighty, translucent steeds across the mists of Avalon.
Into the myths of Avalon if that’s what you mean
Maybe we should ship a bunch of iPods to North Korea instead of wasting all that carbon shipping heavy food…
50 million dead babies since 1973 tell me it already has.
Socky:
http://forums.4aynrandfans.com/index.php?showtopic=6050&st=0&p=53122&
No doubt Rand’s philosophy was a bit more nuanced than yours. However, we aren’t talking about the tedious pro-choice / pro-life argument; we were talking about Nazis (again).
There we go with “nuance” again. The extra-judicial taking a human life is “nuance.” Well, in my corner of the world it is called murder. Please save us from “nuance” and those who carry the virus!
WarEagle82:
If either you or Socky truly felt that abortion amounts to murder on a scale similar to the Holocaust then you would be out blowing up abortion clinics right now.
You are doing a good job of playing the complacent German citizen.
Fact is, you don’t believe your own rhetoric. Either that, or you are a coward.
I am beginning to fathom your “nuance” now. As I suspected it is more “illogic” than “nuance.”
A Christian does not meet murder with murder. I believe abortion is murder plain and simple. I have worked with adoption agencies, protested at abortion mills and campaigned for pro-life measures and candidates.
What I will not do is advocate murder and terrorism to stop the murder. That you don’t understand that says a lot more about you than about me or any other pro-life people on this board.
I dunno, ZA. This type of logic would also seem to suggest that folks like Code Pink should blow up military recruitment centers or condones the actions of groups like Ayers’ Weathermen as ‘courageous’.
I know you don’t believe that, but reading this response made me think it was hyperbole.
So someone shooting a prison guard at Dachau would be committing murder and terrorism?
WE82:
Oh? What about war time? What about if you lived in Nazi Germany? You would just sit by and let the Holocaust occur?
Salt:
Exactly. I don’t think that way and I believe Code Pink are lunatics as well.
If *I* believed my state and government were a force for evil in the world (which I don’t) I would be busy fighting them. That is why I say, Code Pink and WarEagle82 here are the ones guilty of rhetoric.
WE82:
…so, let me get this straight: you stood right outside the gas chambers and basically said:
“Hey! That’s bad! Stop it!”
Forgive me for being underwhelmed.
Rabbid–
aw man.
Zero – Have you ever seen the movie The Scarlet and the Black?
It about a priest Monsignor Hugh O’Flaherty, who saved thousands of Jews and Allied POW’s in Rome during World War II.
He did not fight with guns and ammo, but worked through peaceful means to accomplish saving the lives of many. If he had used bombs, guns and ammo, he’d likely have been killed himself in very short order and it would have completely defeated the purpose.
Same with a person killing a guard at a Nazi camp. The person who killed the guard would be killed himself and another guard would step in and nothing at all would have been accomplished.
I’ve often asked the question of when and how should the German people have seen the evil and stopped it, and HOW? The people were stripped of their guns and had no way to fight after a certain point. And prior to that point I don’t think enough of them saw the danger.
To say that an individual pro-lifer should bomb abortion clinics is insane, The few who have done that are put away and the abortion continues unabated.
Abortion is also something that, while I also believe to be murder, is not nearly as black and white as someone simply walking up to another person and shooting them. You have abortion providers, atheists like you, and Feminists across the country using well thought out persuasion to convince people that abortion is not murder. And since the baby is not something with a face easily seen, it is easy for people to be deceived. That’s why abortion mills fight so hard to stop laws from being enacted to require them to perform 3D ultrasounds and show the photos to the mothers. They fully understand that seeing the face of their own child would quite probably lead them to make a different choice even at the very early stages of pregnancy.
The point is, that there are situations when violence is not the answer and is indeed counterproductive. In Germany’s case it took a full out war with many other countries putting a stop to the evil that was Naziism.
So you are advocating violence against abortion clinics and workers?
Obviously neither you nor 0A understand a thing about Christianity. I cannot do evil to accomplish good. I am pretty sure we have gone around this “ends/means” thing before.
Yeah, my little “piece of protoplasm” grandson, who will be born in two weeks, had no rights and my daughter could have murdered him if she wanted. That kind of stuff makes me physically ill. It is one thing to condone these murders. But to be so disrespectful of a human life growing inside a womb by referring to it in such demeaning terms and saying it has no rights is over the line.
No. I thought Christians believed killing in the defense of others was not murder. However, by your own logic, you labelled it as murder and terrorism. That is all I am curious about.
Defending yourself or your country is not murder. There is a difference between murder and killing. (By the way, I am not “engaging in debate” with you, Zero. I am addressing my remarkes to the group as a whole, as I have a right to do in any thread.. So you need not respond to me. Thank you.)
Abortion is institutionalized murder. Shooting an abortionist or bombing a clinic is pointless and counterproductive, not to mention trying to combat evil with evil, as Joy and others have already noted. Abortion must be attacked institutionally.
Yeah…this is what I am not getting. If you think abortion is murder, and killing to protect innocent life is not murder, then how is shooting an abortion doctor evil?
Joy:
A fair and well thought out argument; I applaud you.
Your point is well made. Though I will take issue with the following:
This is the key point, and you are correct. It IS NOT as black and white. It is not as black and white for the reasons that Ayn Rand spelled out above.
A small quibble ref: atheists:
http://www.godlessprolifers.org/
Please do not lump us all in the same boat. The ONLY thing all atheists have in common is a lack of belief in the supernatural.
It is not just that it is not easily seen. It is much more than that in the early stages, again, see Ayn Rand above.
I am not very keen on late term abortions either. However, the fact is, many abortions can and do occur before anything resembling a face can be seen via ultrasound or even exists in the same sense.
Finally, one major difference again: if a man killed a Nazi guard and then was immediately shot, no doubt it would have accomplished nothing but the argument could be easily made that what the man did was morally sound. If a man murders an abortion doctor in cold blood, it is not the same thing at all.
WE82:
I’ll switch over to Joy, she is doing a much better job on your behalf.
Sybil:
You are a fool. Rand did not say an unborn child that is going to be born in 2 weeks is protoplasm, she said the exact opposite. English dear, you are doing it wrong.
Anyhow, are you still talking to me without talking to me?
I guess it depends on what your definition of “evil” is…
I agree with Zero that those of us who are anti-abortion need to put our money where our mouth is…but combating abortion by murdering someone else just seems a bit distasteful to me. Perhaps that makes more sense to you?
Chap, bombing an abortion clinic would not defend any unborn children. The mothers would just go elsewhere and the bomber would go to prison. That is not considered defending anyone…but I think you know that, don’t you?
Point well taken as I was pro-life back when I was still an atheist. You know, when religion and Mormoms were anathema to me. (Perfect choice of wording for how I felt then. Sorry, just had to throw that in.
)
My quibble:
It looks like the face and body of a little person to me.
Chap – I thought leftys were supposed to understand nuance and not see everything lumped in black and white terms.
Look, clearly I am arguing semantics. I will drop it. i don’t really care that much since I am neither Christian nor anti-abortion.
Joy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion#Incidence_of_induced_abortion
Your picture at 12 wks there is the extreme end of the vast majority of abortions.
Medical (using pharmaceuticals) abortion is possible at more or less week 0.
In any case; as eluded to above, results notwithstanding:
If a man kills a Nazi guard was he justified? Was what he did “bad” or was it “acceptable?”
Consider a man who kills an abortion doctor (again results notwithstanding). Are this man’s actions “justifiable?”
Sorry. I really should say week 3 since that is around when implantation occurs. Anything before that would be considered an emergency contraceptive.
Zero, you’re not going to like this.
It’s between him and God.
A fetus starts developing fingerprints at 8 weeks. You know… that one identifying mark of a human that distinguishes him/her from every other human. 8 weeks.
Zero…See my post #153, and then please drop this silly argument. You aren’t going to convince any Christian on these threads that abortion is o.k. or that self defense and defense of your country is murder. This thread was originally about Obama’s gift to the Queen. Way to hi-jack another thread, and we fell right into it. You do realize, don’t you that if you CONTINUALLY change the subject of a thread, you can get banned? I am going to go way out on a limb here and suggest you may be obsessive/compulsive. Just a thought. You might want to seek help. And stop belittling me every time I post…I have just as much right here as you and I don’t want to hear any more of your dumb remarks directed at me.
MtsEdge:
That was a predictable cop-out and non-answer.
Are you telling me you are incapable of forming your own opinion on this particular moral dilemma? It is simply too complex for you so you will throw your hands up and send it up the chain of command?
Sybil:
Why are you still not responding to me?
Note to all, *I* didn’t bring this up. Socky in #139 did. Of course Sybil won’t recognize that.
If my alleged OCD is of concern to you, perhaps you should seek help for a similiar problem.
Please don’t resort to insults. I don’t do that to you.
I think I have already stated in previous posts that murdering an abortionist is as evil as murdering a baby. I am adding that it is counterproductive and ineffective as a means to combat abortion.
Also:
I never said this. That is part of my point. Geez Louise.
MtsEdge:
I’m sorry it was not an insult. You did not answer the question and indeed did “send it up the chain.”
If abortion = murder and Nazis killing Jews = murder.
Then, how come:
killing a Nazi is not “evil.”
but
killing an abortion doctor is?
It’s a simple question about your worldview. Why can’t you answer it?
I kind of forgot that reading 0A’s posts was a lot like hitting yourself in the head with a brick while getting a root canal while watching Whoopi Goldberg and Rosie O’Donnel talk about how beautiful Michelle Obama is…
It just isn’t worth the cost.
MY worldview includes a belief in, and respect for, God. It is therefore, different from yours.
Perhaps that’s why I can’t seem to answer this question in a way that satisfies you.
I’m with you, WarEagle! And besides, Glenn Beck is in the building! Bye!
Since this isn’t a black and white issue due to the explanation in my previous post, I do not believe it is justifiable to take the abortion doctor’s life. Murder itself is a very nuanced issue. Which is why we allow for crimes of passion or self-defense and defense of another.
My personal feelings are that I don’t think killing an abortion doctor aides our cause in the least. It causes public sentiment to turn against us and another abortion doctor simply steps in and takes the other’s place. In matters where a society as a whole believes a wrong is right, you have to appoach things with a strategy. And that includes educating people on the value of life. Abortion is a symptom of a society gone awry.
I think there is sometimes a very fine line people have to walk since we are a Nation of laws. And while I now believe abortion is murder, I also know and remember being brought up to view a fetus as nothing but a clump of cells akin to snot. I was not responsible for my upbringing, but once an adult it was my responsibility to learn to discern right and wrong for myself.
If the value of life was instilled from birth, many of our behaviors would change and the desire or need for abortion would indeed be rare (to truly save the life of the mother).
My question of what exact point the German’s should have fought back and HOW is a worthy topic of discussion. When the majority of people are convinced of the rightness of wrong, it is very difficult to stop the wrong from happening. And if wrong is realized too late, extricating a nation from it becomes extremely difficult. It takes a coodinated effort to put a stop to it. And at a certain point, it become an impossibility to stop it from within.
6 weeks – Has eyes, fingers and toes. (Sorry, the previous photo was listed as 6 weeks when I clicked it. I saw only later that the url showed 12.) Also, regardless of what stage the fetus is at, there are very good arguments for humaness at the point of conception.
And I still believe that if women could see these photos of their own child in development, they would be far less likely to choose to abort. Some are hardened and selfish past the point of caring one way or the other. It’s all about them and their convenience and their pleasure.
I’m writing a novel… it’s very hard to deal with some issues in a blog forum.
Sybil, et al:
Furthermore, since you are bringing up the TOU:
Notice, that everywhere I post or go off topic it is in response to someone else veering way off topic already and / or attacking atheists (or what have you) without any provocation on my part.
Anyhow, following the attack, I respond, and somehow *I* am guilty of changing the topic, yet the original commenter is not.
In addition to my much celebrated claims of insulting people and arrogance, you will notice every bit of hostility I engage in is in response to someone else’s bile ref. something I said. Indeed, I am very careful to gauge and gradual increase my responses based on the amount of abuse I am receiving.
WE82:
Yes, I imagine putting too much thought into a moral dilemma of this type would be difficult for you. Much better to hit something with a brick; I think Kant resolved issues in a similar fashion.
MtsEdge:
Yes. On so many topics and moral dilemmas you have an opinion and indeed imagine that god agrees with you. For example, you think rape is bad (as do I) and believe god agrees. How come you can’t do the same for this one? Why does this one have to be “sent up the chain?”
I can see 0A reading Kant. I just Kan’t see 0A UNDERSTANDING Kant…
And I see he is still hacked off over the fact that his chosen world view is the bloodiest of the 20th century. Maybe the Muslims will kill more this century and that will make 0A feel better, assuming he survives…
see posts #165 and #167
I’m not sure how else to make this point. Our military killing Nazis, who were enemies of our state, and oppressors of the Jews and others, is justified. I used your word, does that help.
Killing an abortionist is not justified. If he/she was tried by a court of law and found guilty of murder, then the death penalty imposed by the state would be justified.
That is why I said that abortion must be attacked institutionally, because until it is no longer legal to kill babies, abortionists will not be held accountable for their actions this side of eternity.
Joy:
Indeed it is not black and white. In any case, perhaps I should make a point in this thread to only respond to you since you are the only one that is actually making an effort to tackle this issue.
Do you think killing an abortion doctor is “wrong” only because it doesn’t aid your cause or because it is wrong on some deeper level? Is the only thing that is different from a Nazi and an abortion doctor the degree to which a cause is aided? It was already argued that, under certain circumstances, killing a Nazi guard might be a bad idea.
Is the life of an abortion doctor of equal value or just as easily forfeit than a Nazi’s? If not, why?
I am not going to argue viability. My views on this issue should be well known by now and all it will do is piss people off.
Indeed, I can make my case simply by sticking with the Nazi analogy.
GTG, be back in an hour or perhaps later this evening.
One last point.. Killing the doctor is taking matters into your own hands. In a nation of laws we don’t do that. That would lead to anarchy.
In a nation of laws, my belief that abortion is murder does not give me the right to act outside of the laws of the land. As a free people (for now) we have the responsibility to make laws (based on what we believe to be right and wrong, and that means the majority usually gets to make that determination) and uphold them through our justice system. We do not have the right to take the law into our own hands and execute judgement without due process.
This is not a perfect world and that means that sometimes wrong will be legal and right can actually be rendered illegal.
Your equation is far too simplistic to be a viable argument. Ours is still a nation of laws, whereas Nazi Germany was being ruled by a ruthless dictator which changes the rules of engagement so to speak.
MtsEdge:
Despite what you think, I did not insult you. I am not sure how much more delicate I can be when I tell you that you didn’t answer a question. If you take issue with the phrase “cop-out” I’ll try to avoid it in the future.
In any case: why do we have to wait for the law to catch up when babies are being killed? I am sorry, but if millions of 2-3 yr olds were being murdered around the country by their parents and doctors you can be damn certain I’d be doing something violent about it.
OK, really GTG.
Joy #178, you said it much better than I.
Hopefully my last point answers your question that I didn’t see until I posted my last response.
And I agree that arguing viability is distracting at this point to what the main emphasis of the discussion is.
I’ll check back later for your response.
Joy:
Same question. #179. The assertion that abortion = murder is what is simplistic, not my analogy.
…going…going…
“Abortion murder” must be one of those special “nuanced” things that we ” religious simpletons” just don’t understand.
0A is gone, gone…
You’ve finally admitted that abortion = babies being killed. Thank you!
Actually, it was “predictable”, “incapable of forming an opinion”, and “too complex” that got me, combined with your assertion that you NEVER strike first w/insults. I just couldn’t let that pass.
If people are taught from the ground up that children are not entitled to life, and they are just property and enough people buy into the craziness of that (and there are civilizations that routinely ATE their own children), then how as a person in the minority status would you accomplish a change? You would kill someone who killed a child and they would kill you and keep on killing children.
You think that couldn’t happen? Guess again!
Not very long ago black people were not considered human… yet look how many people just stood by and watched as they were beaten and whipped and hung, along with their children. It took almost a hundred years before anyone gathered up the strength and numbers to do anything real about it! And slavery had been accepted since the beginning of humanity. That included children and masters could do whatever they pleased with them, including kill them.
It’s easy for you to say you’d get violent, but mass brainwashing is a fact of humanity. And if that’s what you’re up against, it will take a lot more than one person or just a few doing something violent.
Re Nazis: In Nazi Germany, people were systematically stripped of their ability to defend themselves while the masses were brainwashed. Only after things got way out of hand, and past the point where the citizens could defend themselves or anyone else, did they see the utter wrongness of what was happening and then it took other nations step in.
hey Zero? if you are going to get your panties in a bunch over english, perhaps you could start by learning some for yourself?
#161 above
http://writing.lifetips.com/tip/8513/commonly-confused-words/a-b/allude-vs-elude.html
Allude vs. Elude
You “allude” to a book; you “elude” a pursuer.
I hate sanctimony.
I think the meaning of the words eluded 0A. Logic and reason appear to have eluded him as well.
Thank God he’s gone. Will someone please tell him to STFU before blood shoots out of my eyes? He just digs in and won’t let go. I can’t take him any more. It is true that some of us go off topic occasionally and then we go right back on. But he takes the topic and expands it and then won’t let anything drop. Yes, I am having a real problem with that poster, and I am sorry for all my rants against him. I need to learn to ignore him. But if you go back and look, you see that every couple of posts are from him, either arrogantly putting someone down, or goading someone into some deep philosphical discussion about athiesm, or legalizing drugs. Maybe MM would be willing to have an open thread for all those atheists who want to discuss amongst themselves. But personally, I have enough problems with my atheist brother to last me a lifetime! Again, my apologies, and I will try really hard to ignore the big jerk.
Maniah:
Indeed I was incorrect. However, it is a far cry from what Sybil does. She doesn’t just make grammatical errors or spelling mistakes. She completely misunderstands whole sentences and indeed you have to repeat things several times. She actually thought I was arguing that fighting for ones country is murder! (#164) You won’t see me picking on someone’s spelling.
MtsEdge:
It was predictable; in fact you used it before. Furthermore, I didn’t state that you were incapable of forming an opinion, I asked you. Why else would you dodge the question?
Joy:
You are the only one that seems to be following my point so I’ll stick to you for now.
Let’s try this way:
Let’s assume you were in a position to stop an abortion by killing an abortion doctor. Let’s also assume that the mother would not be able to get an abortion after this. Finally, assume that you can be guaranteed not to be caught. Would you kill the doctor?
Next:
Assume you are vacationing (who knows why, but that’s beside the point) in a country or culture where killing 3 year olds that are inconvenient is acceptable. You are in a position in the same way as before to stop said procedure by killing the “doctor” or executioner. Do you kill that person?
I can answer (and I believe be consistent in my worldview) when I say, NO to the first case, and YES to the second.
What are your answers?
PS. I feel embarrased ref. my anathema quip now. Touche. I am humbled by your keen wit.
Mainah…good one! Ha!
Zero, I know(?) you intended this for Joy, but I must say that you are posing some pretty specific and detailed (and hypothetical) moral questions. It is very ironic that you do so, when I have asked you to explain your beliefs, and your response has been, in effect, “read Kant”.
Irony alert.
Sybil:
Seriously, you really should stop reading my posts. It seems you are the one with OCD.
If MM deems I should go then you can have a little party. It will be a bit curious to me why she wouldn’t ban all my co-conspirators (that means you and more or less everyone else happily going off topic) along with me.
Indeed! A good catch. I am surprised Manish didn’t have to write it three or four times for you to understand it.
MtsEdge:
I told you to read Kant AFTER carefully trying to explain how you don’t need a deity to derive morality from.
I only did so because you couldn’t seem to understand what I was telling you. I had hoped Kant (or many others) would do a better job of explaining then I could.
I can try again if you like.
Zero, I’m going to have to leave it at that…this thread is way off track.
MtsEdge:
Goodnight then. I hope you didn’t find me to be too offensive. I admit I can be rather brusque, but no insult is intended. I merely was trying to ensure a reply. Have a nice evening!
Zero, we’re cool. Have a good evening, as well.
Fixed another grammatical error for you. No need to thank me.
Sybil:
Ah! Indeed, I’ll thank you regardless! I also owe you a debt of gratitude to you for your hilarious #189.
I have re-read it about 3 times now and laughed a great deal each time.
The blood shooting out of the eyes things was particularly amusing.
STFU, indeed! How old did you say you were?
*thing (not things) beat ya to it!