Who’s responsible for the New York rampage?
A sick, twisted, and evil man named Jiverly Voong ambushed an immigration center in Binghamton, New York. Recently fired from his job at IBM Shop Vac, Voong murdered 13 people, critically wounded four others, and then committed suicide.
It was a horrible bloodbath. Keep the victims and the families in your thoughts and prayers.
And then, brace for blame.
Because despite having no concrete information yet on what motivated this killer to go on his shooting spree, leftists have already decided: It’s all our fault. Who’s responsible? Click on the links:
Me. FreeRepublic.com RedState.com
“Your 2nd Amendment rights at work. The NRA is answerable for this.”
Look, I’m all for finding root causes.
But someone please explain to me how conservatives who espouse immigration enforcement and assimilation led a nutball of Vietnamese descent who reportedly could barely speak English to slaughter innocent people taking a citizenship test and trying to naturalize the right way?
Put the hangman’s noose down and try to make some sense.
***
Bizarro: Taliban chief wants credit for the massacre.
A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.
“I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks,” Baituallah Mehsud told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location on Saturday.
***
Details trickling in about the gunman:
The maniac who shot 13 people dead in a Binghamton immigration center before killing himself was described Friday as an angry loner who loved guns, hated America and talked about assassinating the President.
Kevin Greene, who once worked with 41-year-old mass murderer Jiverly Voong, said a question about a New York Yankees T-shirt he was wearing brought out his dark side.
Greene said, “I asked him if he liked the Yanks,” and “he said, ‘No, I don’t like that team. I don’t like America. America sucks.’”
The thanks we get, eh?
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The nut with the gun is responsible. Period.
I honestly feel our goverment just stinks for allowing so many immigrants into our county…and illegal aliens to say when job losses are at a high that hasn’t been seen in over 25 yrs!!
We need to stop allowing our country to be overtaken. There are not enough jobs to go around???
Americans first,I say.
We are talking about the same leftist nutbags, aren’t we??? They haven’t shown any sense in the last century.
Put the hangman’s noose down and try to make some sense. Please, these people can not make any sense…EVER…
IMHO, if we really had any second amendment rights, half the people in that room would have returned fire.
Hollywood stereotypes aside, the wild west was a safer place, per capita, than most big cities today.
Insanity is what caused this.
Those against gun rights never want to have the conversation about the 99% of gun owners that don’t commit crimes and harm no one. It is an inconvenient truth and doesn’t fit with their rhetoric.
Making sense is impossible for leftists, otherwise they wouldn’t BE leftists.
Another thought for the anti-gun left: If the employees at that center were allowed to carry weapons, that massacre wouldn’t have happened.
txvet2… sorry, great minds think alike…
Just imagine how this tragedy would have turned out if just one person there had a CCW permit and a gun. Strange, but they don’t mention that in any of those articles.
Comment #1 is dead on. Not much else needs to be said.
What makes these murder-suicides even doubly tragic is that since the scumbag off’ed himself there is no chance for any kind of “closure” or “justice” for the survivors.
Very, very tragic.
May God the Father Almighty rest their Souls and comfort their families.
As for the far left, even that dimwit Bozo the VP‘s comment yesterday tilted towards useless gun control:
“Weve got to figure out a way to deal with this senseless, senseless violence,… “
Joe Biden has already made statements that can be interpreted as “We need to get rid of the guns”. It’s not hard to figure out that this administration will use this to their advantage to take away our rights. After all, the Constitution is already toast, why not finish the job?
The problems this man had were within his ability to fix. He was here for “decades” and he didn’t learn proper English? His fault. He lost his job. Happens to many people every day, they move on and get another one.
IBM, our immigration policy, gun laws, and the neighbor’s cat are not to blams. The shooter, and only the shooter is responsible.
For now, we live in a free society where these things might happen.
My prayers are for the families of all the victims.
Michelle, with all due respect, this works both ways. The comments on Free Republic as this story was breaking bordered on celebratory. The only thing one of your fellow conservative columnists has focused on is the fact that the people who died didn’t speak English. Neither side has covered themselves in glory here. And the fact that there’s a blame game going on makes this even more tragic.
Apparently Bush is also to blame, according to the first commenter on this page: http://tinyurl.com/dewazq .
I tend to believe the muslim angle….look the WV school shooter had ‘ismael axe’ written on his arms…of course the connection was never made..
and of course lets not forget John Muhammed the east coast sniper who killed, what 10 people or so?
of course the connection with islam is NEVER MENTIONED…
I would not be surprised if the Mehsud is right…
I wonder if the gun(s) that man had were obtained legally. The laws are pretty strick and this man couldn’t even speak English. We need to wait and get more details, but I have a feeling the guns were not his. To legally get a gun requires background check and training on how to us it (I think! I never have gotten a gun, so not sure). Anyway, there are many who are quick to jump all over the story with very little facts, and the media is to blame for that. I notice even FOX (who I trust more than the others) reports rumors and generally has to change something later when they find out the truth.
In the short time I sampled GMA and the CBS Early Show, I never once heard the gunman’s nationality mentioned; instead, they seemed to be playing up the victims’ immigrant status and attempts to assimilate, making it appear that was the reason they were attacked.
If some honest citizen at the center had exercised their Right to Keep and Bear Arms Jiverly Voong would not have had such as easy time of it. Remember the Appalachian School of Law shooting was stopped by armed people.
How many shooting, stabbing and attacks do we see at shooting ranges, blue collar bars and such? Yes I saw the Blind Wonder Governor of New York. @#$ him and his guide dog.
An armed man is a citizen, the rest are subjects. It is Saturday–a good day to go to the range.
One way would be to stop letting these nuts into the country. Almost every one of these events in recent years has been an “immigrant”, legal or otherwise.
I agree tragic events like this should not be made into political fodder, but to do so is part of the Left’s “never waste a crisis” mentality. National tragedies like this are always exploited by the Left to push some facet of their agenda. Just look at how the Democrats tried to use Columbine to force gun control.
You might want to think about getting some. If John Lott is to be believed, Obama is on record as saying that he does not think that Americans should own guns, and you know the Obamatrons never let a good crisis go to “waste.”
Wrong. To get a rifle or shotgun in most jurisdictions takes money – nothing else. There are various restrictions on handguns, depending on the venue – here in Texas, anyone without a criminal history can legally own a handgun – but you have to take a safety course and get a permit to carry it concealed.
Men? Thought it was ONE man. He makes about as much sense as Obama off prompter.
I’m smoking ribs today…and throwing some lead around the backyard for fun!
This is all that needs to be said. It is quoted for truth.
“Jiverly Voong” may have been an alias or .. maybe a stolen identity?
Local TV::
If he really was using an alias then the question becomes – registered to whom?
We’ll have a field day with these libs if this guy is not really Jiverly Voong and instead some illegal who stole Voong’s identity and then even managed to use it to register guns circumventing numerous gun laws many of which were passed by libs to .. keep us safe.
Can we just give justice for these people? Does anyone think that a trial will ever give that? In New York?
The joke of our government is that it will let these people walk, and the completely offensive pukes will continue to offend with impunity.
Political Correctness is the calling card of this administration, and of all of you who voted for the Marxists now in power.
Wake the fu@@ up, people, or wait for the knock on the door. It’s going to happen. And Acorn will be there to swear you in as an Obama Supporter.
Good thing IBM only laid-off this one guy. Imagine the carnage had they laid off 6,000?
About 4 million people lost their jobs in the past 4 months. How many went of on a killing spree? One?
Yeah. It’s my fault. Take my guns away.
IBM has denied any such person worked there. Apparently the shooter worked at a Shop Vac company until November of 2008.
So, libs, you can throw the IBM and corporate greed fiction out the window.
Obamageddon’s admin and liberals are more afraid of the population like you and most having guns. Not so much the nuts like this guy.
We are the majority that has the power to fight back against them. There more afraid of the majority than the minority crazies, gangs and drug lords!
When things like this happen, every news organization jumps on it like a pit bull and we are subjected to every kind of rumor or opinion without any benefit of facts.
This is bad journalism and every cable and network news crew is guilty of it. The problem is that the initial coverage is the one people remember regardless of the truth that comes with further investigation.
The first poster on this thread nailed it perfectly. And…
Right. Re: Victims: These were people apparently working within the system to do things the right way – and deserve our most heartfelt sympathies and best wishes for their families. Re: the Perp: The shooter and ONLY the shooter was responsible – period.
IBM has outsourced jobs immensely in the last few years. Another round of ‘transferring’ jobs from cities in the NE US to Bangtown (Bangalore) was supposed to have begun right about now.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn his was one of them.
On April 4th, 2009 at 11:14 am,
That’s what I mean about not having all the facts. I heard that it was his father who worked for IBM and this guy worked for some other computer company. I heard he was very smart. There wasn’t even confirmation that he had gotten laid off. I wanted to get more news about it this a.m. but, as usual, Obama is on all the channels giving another one of his campaign speeches. Is that guy EVER going to be just a President and not a candidate? He is really getting on my nerves. Pretty soon there will be a statue of him erected in the middle of town and people can just go there to worship.
I read somewhere that the guy was a citizen and had been here for 28 years. He killed himself, which is the only way he could have gotten the death penalty here in NY.
You can stop the immigrant bashing, the victims were mostly immigrants as well. You know, people like our ancestors (yes, even American Indians) who came here to live.
Until our society shuns those with no ethics or morality, we’ll continue to have this sort of problem. All politicians can give us is more laws, and we already have enough. Most people would never use a gun except in self defense, or to defend others. Politicians are all about power for themselves; we’ve more laws than ever, and these incidents are more common than they used to be. Insanity is redoubling your efforts when what you are doing isn’t working.
Let’s stop pretending. We’ve tolerated unethical and immoral behavior, and we reap what we sow.
Some thoughts for our oh-so-enlightened-VP – any high school graduate has had enough education to know where to look to build all sorts of nasty people killing substances. It does not require owning a firearm to hurt, maim, or kill a number of people. It does not require gunpowder. All it takes is the will and a chemistry set…will we ban the teaching of certain sciences down the road too?
Our Fed officials have allowed and encouraged too many to immigrate (nevermind the number of illegals) without the needed timespan for full assimilation. We have a huge number of displaced persons that only want to be in this country for what they can get from it and us. I’m not even sure of their long term goals?
A good friend of mine just recently had her husband laid off from IBM…..HHHHMMMM I don’t remember an email saying he just took out 13 people because he was upset!
When are these MINORITIES going to start taking responsibility for their lot in life! ENOUGH of this victimitis S&&()*)t
Well said!
Such a sad situation should not by politicized, but just imagine if the shooter had turned out to be one of those “bitter” citizens who was “clinging to guns and religion”! The left would have been tickled pink.
They say we would do the same if the shooter had been an illegal alien–and some on the fringe would. But most of us would see it first as a tragedy and second as a tragedy that wouldn’t have occured if our immigration laws were enforced.
Who is bashing immigrants? Please reference which post did that.
BTW, if anyone is wondering about the language thing, I had a Vietnamese guy (US citizen who came here as a refugee complete with a number tattooed on his forearm) working for me for almost 15 years. He understood English perfectly and he was able to write fairly well too, (bad spelling but I ain’t throwin no stones..), but he simply could not manage speaking English words. NOBODY could understand half of what he ever said! It was very frustrating for everybody.
I think it has to do with positioning of the tongue. Chinese have that problem too. Some of those habits simply cannot be overcome.
Sooner or later we will have to impose a total gun ban in United States (just like in UK, Australia, Canada); and all guns in circulation must be handed over to local authorities in order to be discarded. That’s the ONLY solution to this craziness.
Many European countries including Switzerland, Germany, Eire, Suomi are enacting new laws making firearm possession much harder.
It’s so obivious. It is Odopeys fault, he was miffed a muslim became President.
Heidi’s into the Kook-aid a lil early today.
But that’s the point: the MSM is hardly mentioning that the guy was/is Vietnamese.
They’re making it look like some angry white male decided to take his job loss out on immigrants.
If there’s any racism in this human tragedy – and it is a tragedy, one that requires our fervent prayers and concern – it’s coming from the Left.
Switzerland? They have the highest % percentage of gun owenership and the lowest crime rate! Why in the world would they want to risk a rise in the crime rate?
One the highest violent crime rates in the world is in the ‘gun free’ UK .. SCOTLAND! (that’s a UN statistic BTW)
Are you joking? I have a large number of Asian friends who emigrated to the US. They are the most honest, hard working, thrifty, stoic people you could meet.
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What alternative universe do you live in?
This is what happens when you live in a free society. From your post you seem to want communism or socialism. This is also, part of our constitutional rights which you apparently don’t believ is the law of the land.
MOVE TO FRANCE PLEASE IT IS YOUR RIGHT UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION!
edelweiss – Danceswithdachshunds is right! Switzerland is not a place to think about invading a home.
Looks like edelweiss in #43 just lobbed a grenade in the room.
Guns aren’t the only issue and I imagine many posters are going to start pointing out flaws in your logic. I really should leave this forum alone for the weekend.
Take care all!
I agree with that. It’s illegals who are the problem, the ones who come here for a socialist HAND-OUT. Most honest immigrants still come here for capitalist OPPORTUNITY like they always have.
No I am not joking. You obviously have a reading comprehension problem I did NOT single out asian which I have many friends as well. If you look around and get out of your shell you would see minorities are always using civil rights as a two sided sword to not take responsinbility for their lot in life. Entitlements should give you a clue.
You took the word monorites and made a broad brush stroke ASSUMING I meant Only asians.
GET A CLUE!
Stillwaiting, I too have a number of friends from all over Asia. The work ethic, quest for higher education, and love of life is a joy to watch unfold.
edelweiss, and in every single one of those countries gun crimes INCREASED.
Because only the criminals had guns. They have free reign.
Heidi asks us to ignore the large demonstrations in the UK demanding that the guns be given back. Crime is rampant in the UK, precisely because criminals know their victims are unarmed.
(Oh and did you notice the prissy and inconsistent use of “Suomi”, the Finnish word for Finland, and “Eire”, but the English names for Germany and Switzerland?)
Heidi’s such a frackin flake.
I agree. Many of the honor students in the high schools are Vietnamese. VERY industrious people!
I think that lumping the irresponsible people into a “minorities” category is extremely racist. Plenty of white people are lazy and irresponsible. Let’s be fair here!
I don’t recognize this username. Is this a new poster? I am starting to wonder if Michelle had an open enrollment for posters and some new trolls got in. I just get a feeling that we are being set up to look like racists and violent militants. How else to explain all these posts that make it sound like conservatives are posting, but yet say blatantly racist things and advocate overthrowing the government by violence? Those things are not AT ALL what we are about, but the trolls make it sound like it is. Any thoughts on that? Are we being set up?
Really? Then maybe you should go educate yoursel on the crime statistics regarding Race and Minorites!
http://www.ncjrs.gov/txtfiles/fs000170.txt
Race, Crime and Justice in America
The Color
of
Crime
New Century Foundation
Second, Expanded Edition
Major Findings
• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder,
and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving
blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Fortyfive
percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
three times more likely.
I have been on this site for years!
I am far from a racist and I have posted statistics to prove my point.
You really should get out more!
Actually we need vastly more guns in the hands of law abiding citizens in the United States. More guns = less crime because the criminal knows other people are armed and willing to defend themselves.
If, as liberals believe, that mere possession of a gun means that someone is going to go on a shooting rampage – why has there never been a shooting rampage at an NRA convention? Or at a gun show?
One of the things I love most about liberals is their hypocrisy about being protected by armed guards and such while they scream at us for wanting to protect ourselves.
And where did I say anything about overthrowing the government?
Worry about yourself and not me!
Who’s responsible? Surely you jest. Everyone knows it was Bush’s fault. Duh.
/sarc off
Lets see? NY has strict anti-gun laws and it is illegal to own or purchase a handgun, and it is illegal for a foreigner to purchase any gun in the USA, and all these Federal and government buildings screen for guns so the government people can be safer than the rest of us, and do we we not screen immigrants for severe mental illness before letting them into the USA to protect us from murderous foreigners? And don’t the liberals tell us that it is Americans that are violent and foreigners uniquely peaceful? Seems like this happens in NY a lot. Train car full of commuters gunned down by some Jamaican nut case, Twin Towers and suicidal Saudis. On and on. If I lived in NY, I would carry a concealed pistol and F the law. All the NY cops carry concealed 24/7/365 for a good reason – they value their lives.
I’m sad it happened but relieved it happened in NY-the state seems to ask for it with anti-citizen gun laws, lawyers who live to free murderers ruling the courts/running the state, and media that worships violence towards Americans. Will Ward Churchill comment that the immigration center was full of little Eichmanns? NO! Will Nancy Peolosi memorialize the dead foreigners as hard working Americans? YES! Will the liberal senile Senators call for more gun laws banning all law abiding Americans from purchasing assault rifles – OF COURSE! Will crazed foreigners and criminals no longer be able to obtain firearms and kill Americans? Trust me, if this were the outcome the liberals would change the laws. They love the fact that poor slobs like us get gunned down while they live in totally secure in elite, guarded luxury, traveling by military jet and armored luxury cars. The elite don’t need concealed carry – they have armed bodyguards. Only when a whole bunch of elites and their families become victims will we see effective laws closing our borders, regulating immigration, and universal (USA) concealed carry. Right now, Nancy, BO, & Reid all feel a lot safer than we do and that makes them very happy. They don’t even have to worry about paying their taxes or following the law and government regulations since they are above the law. Better arm yourselves and get training because the libs are going to do their best to violate the Constitution (again &more) and take weapons from everyone but terrorists and crooks very soon.
I’ve narrowed it down to two. Acid- tongued Filipina firecrackers or ,of course, Sarah Palin.
If we’re looking for a root cause, attach responsibility to President Obama. Obama’s prolonged recession, his monetary and fiscal mismanagement, is putting added stress on everyone. He’s taken his eye off the ball; he can’t handle multiple issues, like walking and chewing gum at the same time. Obama seems to talk a good game, but he can’t walk the talk. He’s more interested in rewarding his friends and persecuting those he disagrees with than in solving the real problems.
He won’t let a good crisis go to waste, though; Obama will claim a mandate to bulldoze policy further towards socialism and fascism.
I apologize for that one…I got you mixed up with another poster. But I really would like to respectfully suggest that you might want to refrain from racist generalities like this one:
I am not trying to sound like PC gone amok here…but your post was truly racist, no matter how you look at it. It just makes Michelle Malkin look bad and we don’t want to do that, do we?
edelweiss’
Every able bodied man or woman in Switzerland are required by law to have weapons. It is part of their defense policy.
You are so right on!!
At a cocktail party once, a business owner said, “I’d rather hire a Vietnamese worker than just about anybody. I know that if he absolutely can not make it to work, he will send his brother.”
It’s not racist when I have clearly shown in another post the statistics show higher crime rates of minorites that whites.
You’re using racist as bait becuase you don’t want to believe the FACTS.
I don’t believe in gay marrige so by your logic I am a homophobe? Really you need to get out and see the world a bit!
Typical liberal sheep!
Race, Crime and Justice in America
The Color
of
Crime
New Century Foundation
Second, Expanded Edition
Major Findings
• Police and the justice system are not biased against minorities.
Crime Rates
• Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder,
and eight times more likely to commit robbery.
• When blacks commit crimes of violence, they are nearly three times more likely
than non-blacks to use a gun, and more than twice as likely to use a knife.
• Hispanics commit violent crimes at roughly three times the white rate, and
Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.
• The single best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percentage of
the population that is black and Hispanic.
Interracial Crime
• Of the nearly 770,000 violent interracial crimes committed every year involving
blacks and whites, blacks commit 85 percent and whites commit 15 percent.
• Blacks commit more violent crime against whites than against blacks. Fortyfive
percent of their victims are white, 43 percent are black, and 10 percent are
Hispanic. When whites commit violent crime, only three percent of their victims are
black.
• Blacks are an estimated 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against
a white than vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit robbery.
• Blacks are 2.25 times more likely to commit officially-designated hate crimes
against whites than vice versa.
Gangs
• Only 10 percent of youth gang members are white.
• Hispanics are 19 times more likely than whites to be members of youth gangs.
Blacks are 15 times more likely, and Asians are nine times more likely.
Incarceration
• Between 1980 and 2003 the US incarceration rate more than tripled, from 139
to 482 per 100,000, and the number of prisoners increased from 320,000 to 1.39
million.
• Blacks are seven times more likely to be in prison than whites. Hispanics are
three times more likely.
Oh here’s a newsflash using the term minorities is NOT racist it’s a general term. Get dictionary!
You know the dems aren’t going to pass up a chance to take advantage of a crisis by using this to limit our 2nd Amendment rights. How convenient for them this happened. They disgust me.
I am retired, so don’t have the concern about workplace violence. But my last place of employment had huge layoffs at one time, and we had some “threats” from disgruntled ex-employees. We also had people who called and some who come in off the street who had complaints about one of our restaurants and were really nut cases. I was a relief receptionist there and I could write a book about some of the wierdos I had to put up with (like the guy who was very very angry because the buffet he was at ran out of cottage cheese and his body required cottage cheese and it was on the menu. He was yelling at me like it was my fault). I truly was afraid sometimes. In fact, I had a “panic” button under the switchboard and another one directly to 911. I used the “panic” button once and our big burly security manager showed up in about 30 seconds. I was a sitting duck out there right by the front door with nothing between me and them but a reception desk. A gun would have been very comforting to me at that time, not that it had ever gotten so bad I would have used it, but a comfort nonetheless.
Yeah MM, I saw it starting yesterday, even before the end was announced by officials on site… Everything you HIGHLIGHTED and than some… Look now for the MSM to turn this SICK INDIVIDUAL into THE VICTIM… However, when all the B.S. clears you will probably find a SICK MIND who had no business with a gun… A SICK MIND who had no business on the streets with SOCIETY… A SICK MIND that showed all the symptoms, to all around him, who FAILED to act in the info they all knew… A SICK MIND on MEDICATION, who for what reasons, known only to himself, failed to take the MEDS… Lastly, a SICK MIND who thought the CENTER, or someone at the CENTER, DISREPECTED, OR treated him BADLY…
I agree with you, happy. My wife and I are planning on buying a convenience store/gas station, and she’s going to run it during the day. There’s no way in hades I’ll let her be alone in that store without a gun behind the counter. Period. You take the guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens, and the only people left with guns are the criminals.
A single loon murders people in cold blood and the antigun zealots come running out of the woodwork. Happens every time.
I’ve always said it…we need crazy people control, not gun control.
Are you calling me a liberal??? Um…you might want to go back and read some of my previous posts on other threads. I am as conservative as they come. I just thought your comment sounded racist. My opinion. O.K? Don’t get so testy. I understand the statistics. But I just made the point that there are plenty of non-minorities who commit crimes and don’t take responsibility also. You only highlighted minorities and that sounded wrong to me.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gxAP_ul1xtDvN-3H8XQ5EaI6_7cAD97BNJO00
3 police officers dead in PA.
Bye bye 2nd Amendment. Hello tyranny.
LOL. If we had crazy people control, greenfairie, we wouldn’t have anybody running the government.
I wish you good luck with your store!! And be sure to have a bullet-proof plexi-glass shield between the cashier and the customers. It will give you more peace of mind. My father had a little convenience store many years ago and I LOVED going in there and hanging out with him!
The term “minority” always confused me anyway. Is it a number or is it an ethnicity? It doesn’t make sense to use that word anymore, because I don’t think the traditional understanding of people who were “minorities”, due to their small numbers, is accurate anymore.
I think the playing field is fairly level at this point, so why is race even a consideration anymore?
Let’s get back to the implications of this incident. This administration is on record on “not letting a good crisis go to waste”. They might use this crisis to attack our 2nd amendment rights. Lou Dobbs and CNN even had a piece on the hysteria that has followed the election of Obama, and the concern that exists that the individual right to bear arms is under attack.
That’s a great idea that I hadn’t thought of, happy. That will give me an extra level of peace of mind. Thanks!
Amen.
You know, if you met me in public I would look just as normal as anyone else. But once I get behind the wheel of an automobile, I can’t help but drive into crowds of people.
It’s not my fault. I’m a victim here. If they would just take those death machines off the road, it would save 40,000 deaths annually.
This guy could have killed just as many people by driving a car on a busy city sidewalk. Liberals always seem to whine about easy access and the high number of guns in the USA. Truth be known, there are probably many more guns in the population than they even realize. This is a testament to the good judgment and record of safety of the gun owners themselves. The ratio of guns to crimes committed with guns is amazingly low. Not so for death by medications, automobiles or even doctors! Guns owners have a great record of safety.
Immigrants come here and listen to the left America haters. They begin to think that this it is cool to hate America. I remember being stationed in Germany in the early 90′s, the wall was just down and my unit was working with some Czech soldiers. They were excited to be around us and were yelling things like Yay America.
Just being jerks, we started telling them, no boo America. After a short time they were yelling boo America, I know it was sick, but we were young and being immature and not being good diplomats for this country out of our own amusement. Looking back though, it was scary how easily manipulated they were.
And remember, if they take the guns away from legal gun owners who have passed background checks and have had gun safety training…who is left? The criminals who have ways to get guns illegally, and always will. There are plenty of way to get something that is banned. And it is the criminal element that knows all those ways. Banning guns from law-abiding citizens is unconstitutional, but also moronic. I also believe that most police officers are in favor of citizens having legal weapons, since they can’t be everywhere all the time!
All Rightie then — who do you think is to blame? Gay marriage? The liberal media? Gun control laws that prevented people from shooting back? Let’s hear it. I know you’ve got it in you.
Because the libs like using the word so they can make victims for political reasons, and yell Racist!
A Pakistani Taliban militant leader has claimed responsibility for the attack on a U.S. immigration center in New York state in which 13 people were killed, Reuters reported.
“I accept responsibility. They were my men. I gave them orders in reaction to U.S. drone attacks,” Baituallah Mehsud told Reuters by telephone from an undisclosed location on Saturday.
So his Cave has been hard wired? We don’t have satellites that can show heat activity ?censors? In like real rural rustic areas you wouldn’t expect to find signal showing “Access To World News Events” just sayin C.I.A. or N.S.A. busy work…..
Um…the shooter?
That statement also jumped out at me. What you said was the first thing I thought too. It doesn’t help when you have a POTUS and FLOTUS who seem to share this lunatic’s opinion of the USA.
Cogs, these kinds of gun crimes happen so rarely that the chances of dying at the hands of a mad gunmen are, statistically speaking, zero.
In the book “Freakonomics”, the authors point out that although having a gun in the home increases you chances of having an accidental shooting (you can’t have an accidental shooting without a gun), gun accidents are so rare that statistically, they don’t happen.
On the other hand, that in-ground pool in the backyard… You might as well be bringing up your kids on the edge of a cliff with no fence.
The truth is that killing sprees have nothing to do with weapons. Crazy people do crazy things using whatever means are available. Our kitchens are loaded with explosives.
I saw an article linked at drudge where the local police chief said the killer did it in part because people disrespected him and disparaged him for his poor english skills. Where’s your proof chief? How do you get off making such irresponsible comments? A guy like this I’m sure with such a huge anti-American chip on his shoulder would always see friendliness as scorn, and indifference as hatred. He was a pos who hated America and Americans. Sounds more like a leftist to me.
Sounds like a liberal to me.
Since they prefer to demonize inanimate objects instead of taking any personal responsibility maybe we should make America safer by just outlawing gun ownership for Democrats.
Another multiple shooting in a “gun-free” zone, where the criminals have the guns, and law-abiding citizens are helpless. As our society melts down into immorality, victimhood, and corruption of the government and spirit, expect more. As they have learned in Britain, people don’t need guns to kill. Blaming the NRA is nonsense. It’s the old “create an enemy”, then direct the people toward it; away from the politician, who “saves” everyone from that “enemy”, meaning loss of liberty and freedom to all.
*The perp is responsible, plain and simple; Surely not of sound mind, and desired to take his anger/frustration out on others; So tragic for the others and their families.