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1. #1
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:09 am, sonofdy said:

   Sadly, if everyone gives up smoking, they will just move on to the next “vice”. Such as Rum.

2. #2
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:11 am, englishqueen01 said:

   Sadly, if everyone gives up smoking, they will just move on to the next “vice”. Such as Rum.

   Or there are lots of fast food, and “junk” food items out there – tax the hell out of them next to pay for “health care”!

3. #3
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am, Ragspierre said:

   I have four large ice-chest sized humidors (I call them “cheapidors) filled with value-priced, pre-SCHIP cigars.

   It will be a long time before I have to purchase an SCHIP-taxed cigar. So far, I see the prices from the vendors I purchase from holding pretty study, which may mean they are trying to absorb the tax themselves to a degree.

4. #4
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:24 am, tre said:

   I don’t smoke, anyway. As an asthma sufferer, I’m allergic to tobacco smoke.

   But, if he decides to tax chocolate, well…..

5. #5
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:35 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

   You’ll get my Twinkie when you can pry it out my cold dead fingers!

6. #6
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:41 am, smfoushee said:

   I love the discussion among non-smokers regarding this SCHIP tax. Most don’t realize that there is no way Obama can fund SCHIP with taxes on tobacco products alone. The “Going Galt” phenomenon was rather expected by most smokers when the tax was announced, and now that thousands have stopped buying cigarettes, thousands more stocked up on cigars and smokeless tobacco before the tax, revenue post-tax will be far less than “expected”. Now watch them play class warfare again and raise taxes once more on the “hated” rich… after all its for the kids!

7. #7
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:45 am, xler8bmw said:

   If you “Give A SCHIP” please go to http://www.smokeforthechildren.org great website!

8. #8
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:46 am, pressto said:

   I look forward to seeing Neil Cavuto broadcast live here in Sacramento on April 15th at the Tax Party being held at the Capitol.

9. #9
   On April 6th, 2009 at 9:47 am, iamsaved said:

   The liberals knew what they were doing. Tax tobacco knowing that it will force more and more to quit using it. Plan B is to then claim there’s not enough tax revenue to fund S-Chip and they have to have another source. Forget about cutting the program back. It’s for the children you know.

   Hope you enjoy your pittance of a tax cut in your paycheck – the big increase is coming in through the back door.

10. #10
    On April 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am, stillontheroad said:

    News Flash:

    In a Major display of brilliance, after mind numbing analysis, and in a vain attempt of deflection from actual real world problems, The President of the United States, B. Odopey, has declared there will be less tourist ships allowed in Antarctica and surrounding waters. Stating that the previous administrations decades’ old abuse of this pristine wilderness can no longer be tolerated, “The Bush administrations policy of harassment towards the indigenous Penguin population can no longer be justified under our new leadership. This is a new era, the way forward um, ah, ah, em, ah and ah… the new road ahead.” “We are all Penguins now” he stated, declaring himself an Honorary Penguin and was looking forward to the day when all peoples of the world will look upon him as the true Emperor Penguin.

11. #11
    On April 6th, 2009 at 9:52 am, iamsaved said:

    Obama says “My predecessor left the penquin problem in Antartica for me to clean up.”

12. #12
    On April 6th, 2009 at 9:54 am, AmericanPatriot said:

    I roll my own and a 6 oz. can lasted me around 10 days.
    I was paying around $12 a can
    I was told the cans were going up around $8. So my cost increased 67%.
    ( I didn’t think I made $250K. I better check again for all this lost income)

13. #13
    On April 6th, 2009 at 9:57 am, cicerokid said:

    Smokes in the Philippines are 36 cents per pack and rum is a dollar and a half per liter.

14. #14
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am, stillontheroad said:

    How much is a Carton on the Indian Reservations? I know a lot of people are going there to buy.

15. #15
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am, lgm said:

    Is the real (fictional) John Galt as stupid as the people who want to go Galt? The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking. If you do, you will contribute to the greater good of the American people (something the real Galt would hate to do) by incurring less smoking related health cost. If you quit, you will prove that tax related social engineering works.

16. #16
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am, ctmom said:

    When they run out of funding for S-CHIP how will they provide free healthcare for all the poor children “up to age 30?” LOL!

17. #17
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:09 am, torabora said:

    I quit smoking so children have been dying for a year because of my selfishness.

    Boo Hoo

    Starve the Beast!

18. #18
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:16 am, stillontheroad said:

    The real reason and purpose of higher taxes on anything tobacco is because it is a cause and manufactured stigma. Because we have brain dead turnips in government it is a reason to justify taxing the hell out of it. Because we have brain dead liberals that follow any liberal cause without question, the only voices that are heard is the constant carping of said brain dead liberals. Your so called social engineering is just another in a long list of Bilking the rube schemes that will never work and was never intended to work. It is intended to further Government Health care, pure and simple.

19. #19
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:48 am, behiker said:

    So it’s ok to pump billions of dollars into the automobile manufacturing industry so they won’t go bankrupt, but the government is putting so many taxes on tobacco that that industry will go bankrupt? What about all of those small tobacco farmers, the workers making the cigarettes, etc? I guess they aren’t part of a union. And no, I’m not a smoker.

20. #20
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:57 am, Ragspierre said:

    Gee…

    I guess lgm believes in taxing the poorest Americans disproportionately to help much richer Americans who opt out of purchasing their own kid’s health care.

    Social engineering…by idiots.

    lgm also apparently approves of the wholesale loss of jobs (rather good ones) in the third-world nations where cigar tobaccos are grown, and cigars are produced, that will come as the inevitable result of lower demand in the US.

    Social engineering…by morons.

21. #21
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:57 am, Dave Turson said:

    at 10:06 am, lgm said:
    Is the real (fictional) John Galt as stupid as the people who want to go Galt? The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking. …If you quit, you will prove that tax related social engineering works.

    The new tax didn’t work for The One, who has the “spine of steel.” He still sneaks cigarettes, perhaps on Air Force One. Then again, when you’re the one signing new laws– and have millions of dollars in the bank, and sure prospects of millions more in the years to come– what’s a few more bucks lost to taxes in exchange for the pleasure of smoking. He is just spreading the wealth around here and there.

22. #22
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:01 am, MarcoPolo said:

    The American Indians should start growing tobacco.

23. #23
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:11 am, englishqueen01 said:

    The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking.

    A liberal gets the notion that hight taxes = a reduction in whatever’s taxed!

    Color me surprised.

    Of course, you miss the point that the money collected from the tax is going to fund a wholly different program. What happens when smokers quit, that line of revenue dries up, and SCHIP has no funding? Who do you tax next?

    Now if only liberals could figure out that taxing businesses/payrolls = less jobs, etc. America would be in better shape.

24. #24
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:12 am, K2 said:

    The government taxes activity it wants to reduce or stop………. hmm, so we will increase taxes on productivity (income). Or, as lgm so elegantly stated
    

    will prove that tax related social engineering works.

    Precisely, why we all need to Go Galt.

25. #25
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:13 am, ScottyDog said:

    I am a smoker that chooses to roll my own and buy tobacco by the pound. (I make my cigarettes with a machine and they look just like Factory Smokes)In the past, I was able to make a carton for around $7-$10.00 depending on manufacturer sales and coupons.

    Thanks to this SCHIP bill passing, my favorite Tobacco has increased in price from $12.00lb.to $45.00 a pound on 4-1-2009.
    This is so outrageous that Tyranny does not describe this tax. How can the Feds justify an increase of a tobacco tax by $25.00 a Pound? This is a fascist partnership between the Feds and Big 4 Cigarette companies that allows them to force people that roll their own to pay what people that buy factory cigs by the carton. There are about 10,000 vendors that sell RYO and their livelihood is threatened by this massive increase.

    The $12.00 American Tobacco I used to buy has already been taxed to the hilt. In the last 4 years, it has increased by about $1.50 a pound every year with state and federal tax. Rolling Tobacco has to be highest taxed item in the history of the USA. This countries economy was founded on the sale of tobacco, read your US History. There would be no America without tobacco sales to Europe in the 1600-1700′s. It was the number one export crop in the USA for 150 years. By 1700, America exported 36 million pounds of tobacco a year to Europe.

    I have been making my own for about 15 years not just because of the cost but there are no chemicals added to roll your own tobacco like Marlboros or Camels that add Ammonia ect to get people hooked quicker.

    A $25.00 dollar per pound increase so families that make more than I do(250% of the poverty rate=60K right now) can get free health insurance off the backs of smokers.

    We are loosing our Freedoms and Liberty one by one in this country. I do not recognize the country I grew up in anymore. I think I will get into the smuggling business of tobacco just as the founding fathers did over the tea tax. I for one am hoping Americans finally wake up and start a revolution to throw the corrupt criminals in Wash DC in Prison for Treason. They no longer represent the people but the Rockefeller Elite One World Government crowd that ignore and abhore our Constitution.

    It is not just tobacco taxes people! They are systematically destroying private enterprise in this country one at a time. When it is your business, you will not be laughing. Many tobacco outlets have already gone out of business since April 1.

    I think I will get into smuggling tobacco and follow the lead of the founding fathers to avoid this outrageous excise tax.

    Here are the SCHIP Tobacco provisions for those of you that are interested.

    The feds added a clause to the SCHIP Bill(scroll to the last paragraph) fearing that smuggling was going to increase due to the cost increases they have imposed: DUH

26. #26
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am, MarcoPolo said:

    at 10:06 am, lgm said:
    Is the real (fictional) John Galt as stupid as the people who want to go Galt? The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking. …If you quit, you will prove that tax related social engineering works.

    Social engineering? How nice of you to admit it. Learned nothing from history, I see. Why do we need to be “engineered” exactly? The whole freedom thing was not working for your agenda?

    And anyway, you’re wrong. Sin taxes are applied precisely because people won’t stop.

    How much sense does it make to tie funding to a declining revenue stream?

    And Obama broke a campaign promise with this. He promised no new taxes, of any kind, on people making less than $250,000 a year. But since the majority of smokers are in low-income brackets, the tax hike on tobacco means the single Mom waitress working 2 shifts is now going to be paying for my kid’s health care.

    I can’t wait for the insurance companies to start selling SCHip gap insurance. I’ll be there.

27. #27
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:17 am, Just A Grunt said:

    So what happens when they find out smoking prevents Alzheimers or Parkinsons or some other dreaded disease?

28. #28
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am, Southpaw said:

    The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking.

    Faulty logic. Most smokers are not going to quit. They will simply reduce consumption by the amouunt necessary to compensate for the tax increase. The health problem won’t be solved and the expected revenue gain won’t be realized.

    If you want to improve childrens health, tax junk food out of existence.

29. #29
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:19 am, traveler49 said:

    I’m going to start smoking just so I can quit too!

30. #30
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:22 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am, lgm said:

    Is the real (fictional) John Galt as stupid as the people who want to go Galt?

    LOL! Atlas Shrugged is considered to be the second most influential book, ever, and LGM hasn’t even bothered to read it.

31. #31
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:24 am, MarcoPolo said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:18 am, Southpaw said:

    If you want to improve childrens health, tax junk food out of existence.

    What’s wrong with just leaving people the heck alone? Children should not belong to the State!

32. #32
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:30 am, corona said:

    So, since the estate tax is coming back, that means goverment …

33. #33
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:30 am, cheapseat said:

    lgm i seem to remember another government run good for the people plan implemented by do gooders who knew better about what was good for people, it brought us prohibition, the rise of the mafia, organized crime and bloodshed in the streets. people will not pay these taxes, they will support criminals who will smuggle cigarettes into america. if you don’t believe it, look in the back of magazines where the internet is already doing a thriving business in smuggled cuban cigars and the indian tribes have started selling cigs. smoking has been around since the dawn of time, just like alcohol, sex, and gambling. tax it too heavily, and people will just go around you. so the only social engineering that happens is a rise in criminal behavior and the criminals that proper from them. i dare say, that the illegal immigration problem of the u.s. is another social engineering do gooder idea gone to it’s logical conclusion. make business owners jump through too many hoops. pay too many b.s. taxes, and report to the gubmint too often, and they take their business off line. kind of like galt eh.

34. #34
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am, John Deaux said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am, lgm said:
    The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking.

    So you acknowledge that high capital gains taxes are to get people to stop investing.

35. #35
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:42 am, pueblo1032 said:

    For many more years than I care to admit I PUFFED AWAY… I finally quit… My question is still the same… When they don’t get enough of YOUR MONEY from tobacco, what will be next??? How does a FAT TAX sound??? You know tax TWINKIES, FAST FOOD, SUGAR SOFT DRINKS etc… Well, how about me??? I happen to enjoy a TWINKIE once in while, a WHOPPER with the works, and even a can of SODA… I’m not the least bit PUDGY… Will I get a TAX REBATE??? Chances of that are SLIM and NONE… For years nobody defended the SMOKER, how about the PUDGY FOLKS??? Always reminds me, first they came for the GYPSIES, I was not a GYPSY, and so on, and so forth…

36. #36
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:43 am, Oink said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am, John Deaux said:
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am, lgm said:
    The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking.
    So you acknowledge that high capital gains taxes are to get people to stop investing.

    There you go! Talk your way out of that one!

37. #37
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:44 am, Reliq6 said:

    How about we as parents just feed our kids something other than the junk food? Why do we need the government to tax something to prevent us from buying it for our kids?

    My goodness – TRY SOME PARENTING.

    That kind of thinking is why Congress feels it can just keep overstepping and introducing more and more “tax related social engineering” as lgm puts it. It plays right in to their hands if we relinquish OUR roles as parents and let the government do it.

38. #38
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:49 am, spaceycakes said:

    So you acknowledge that high capital gains taxes are to get people to stop investing.

    LOL, John Deaux. Thank you.

    I smoke. Not a lot. I will never let them force me to quit.

    Besides; now is not a good time for all the civil libertarians to start screaming about it–smoking was targeted a long time ago, and no one thought anything of it. Smokers were the ‘canary in the coal mine’ in the 1970s.

39. #39
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am, pressto said:

    Oh I forgot to mention, I am still waiting for my sidewalk to be repaired and the County said they are waiting on more tobacco money to come in before they can do any more repairs.

    If you believe the government is actually going to use this money to fund this project I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you cheap.

40. #40
    On April 6th, 2009 at 11:59 am, txvet2 said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am, lgm said:

    Is the real (fictional) John Galt as stupid as the people who want to go Galt? The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking. If you do, you will contribute to the greater good of the American people (something the real Galt would hate to do) by incurring less smoking related health cost. If you quit, you will prove that tax related social engineering works.

    We understand all of this, which is why we know that raising taxes on capital and investment (as you liberal Democrats are doing) makes little sense. We condense it down to “if you want less of something, you raise taxes on it”. I’m glad you’re finally beginning to show signs of sanity. We also know you can’t borrow your way out of debt. When you get that part down, you’ll be on your way to a cure for your mental illness.

41. #41
    On April 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, Ragspierre said:

    The ONLY legitimate purpose for which taxes may be levied on a free people is to generate the minimum revenue that will cover the costs of constitutionally mandated government.

    Any other purpose for taxation is an exercise in tyranny.

42. #42
    On April 6th, 2009 at 12:18 pm, ScottyDog said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 12:09 pm, Ragspierre said:

    The ONLY legitimate purpose for which taxes may be levied on a free people is to generate the minimum revenue that will cover the costs of constitutionally mandated government.

    Any other purpose for taxation is an exercise in tyranny.

    Ding Ding Ding

43. #43
    On April 6th, 2009 at 12:19 pm, Ragspierre said:

    From Thomas Sowell’s Basic Economics

    The [Alaskan cigarette] tax was to go into effect October 1, 1997. Smokers struck back by buying an astounding 175 million more cigarettes than usual in the three months before the tax deadline. As for Alaska’s Dept. of Revenue, it saw it revenue go up in smoke: collections slowed 60 percent following the infamous increase date

    Duh…

44. #44
    On April 6th, 2009 at 12:43 pm, Just A Grunt said:

    All I am saying is that there wasn’t a big problem with autism until after they started banning smoking in public places.
    Something to think about.

45. #45
    On April 6th, 2009 at 1:02 pm, DesertLover said:

    ok … my “logic” tells me that if LGM’s “social engineering” model is correct then we should immediately pass a 100% tax on liberal extremists and socialists … according to LGM’s theory we should soon be rid of all of those fantasy world residents on the left …

    I think that is a “change” I could actually learn to like …

46. #46
    On April 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, Ragspierre said:

    DesertLover…

    A decade or two ago, I proposed a “Money-where-your-mouth-is” tax on all American Leftists.

    It would fall on anyone openly advocating a socialist redistributive tax scheme.

    Everything they made in excess of what a “citizen of the world” made would be taxed away and redistributed.

    I thought it would work wonders…

47. #47
    On April 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm, txvet2 said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 1:23 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Don’t expect any reaction from lgm. I’m still waiting for a comment on my suggestion to tax all math teachers at 90%.

48. #48
    On April 6th, 2009 at 1:37 pm, Ragspierre said:

    txvet2

    I never really expect to hear a response from a Leftist…at least nothing that isn’t a personal attack.

    I write for the benefit of others. lgm is beyond help in his or her current mind-set. But there are others here who are not decided, or who need to know there are many of us who know up from down, and they are not alone.

49. #49
    On April 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm, AlohaGuy said:

    It’s all about controlling your life…

50. #50
    On April 6th, 2009 at 4:03 pm, SalsaNChips said:

    I paid $46.00 for a carton of Liggett Light 100′s Sunday. A $12.00 increase ($1.20 a pack).

    I’m probably not going to quit, but I’ve cut my smoking a LOT in recent weeks (down to < 10 cigs a day).

    Switching to cigars is another option.

51. #51
    On April 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm, Ragspierre said:

    SalsaNChips

    Cigars are WAY better…

    better tasting,

    better for your health (you don’t inhale),

    WAY less expensive if you smoke a few per day.

    I find that by judicious purchases, I rarely spend more than 3 bucks per stick, which is really good for quality cigars. I buy a lot for a buck a stick, or just over that.

52. #52
    On April 6th, 2009 at 5:21 pm, meatpieandtatters said:

    I’ve gone the cheap cigar route….and blow my smoke and other things in Rep. Pallone’s general direction (inflected with a silly Frenchman’s accent!)

    

53. #53
    On April 6th, 2009 at 5:32 pm, lgm said:

    Ragspierre said (#41):

    The ONLY legitimate purpose for which taxes may be levied on a free people is to generate the minimum revenue that will cover the costs of constitutionally mandated government.

    Does it say that in the constitution? Have you heard the expression sin tax?

    txvet2 said (#47):

    I’m still waiting for a comment on …

    I hold this to be self evident that some comments do not merit a response.

54. #54
    On April 6th, 2009 at 6:02 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Actually, it said that in the Constitution through most of our history, according to the courts.

    Adam Smith also said something along the same lines. Of course, when he wrote, the Constitution was not yet written. But his observations and insights were and are timeless.

    The Founders certainly believed that. Read them.

    You won’t find much support for a “sin tax” from me. But I get that you approve of all kinds of taxation…consistent with your BIG GOVERNMENT love.

    Dittos for slavery…either in whole or in part (the kind where you yolk one American to another via redistribution). I don’t approve.

    Clearly, you do.

55. #55
    On April 6th, 2009 at 8:03 pm, Jvette said:

    I have a real problem with the government using punitive taxes to curb or control behavior. I also have a real problem with the government targeting specific groups of people to take money and give it to someone else.

    Maybe they should start taxing condoms on a per use basis. Millions of those things are used everyday and the consequences of ill health and societal ills are as bad or worse than that of smoking.

    Or maybe those who don’t smoke but support this tax, all for the children of course, should put their damn money where their mouth is. After all, this is a tax on cigarettes and not smokers per se. Therefore, all you non smokers who support this tax should buy cigarettes as a way of supporting the program and then give those cigarettes to a poor person who can’t afford to buy them anymore but is willing to smoke them.

    Two problems solved. (Yea, I smoke and I am more than willing to accept donations of cigarettes. For the children you know)

56. #56
    On April 6th, 2009 at 8:34 pm, tbear44 said:

    The way it stands right now the government will need 24,000,000 new smokers to fund SCHIP. OK, well that is not going to happen, so who’s next? We won’t have to wait long to find out.

57. #57
    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:32 pm, MacEamonn said:

    “The Great One”, Mark Levin, uses this quote in his new book:

    Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
    C. S. Lewis

    I think that quote pretty much sums up S-Chip and all the other “sin” taxes the Libs can think up. With them it’ll never end.

58. #58
    On April 7th, 2009 at 7:32 am, SalsaNChips said:

    Update to my earlier comment. Reading up on electronic cigs. Interesting, developing alternative to tobacco.

    http://esmokersmag.com

59. #59
    On April 7th, 2009 at 9:50 am, jangar said:

    The next permanent tax will soon be ‘living and breathing’, especially since we exhale carbon dioxide, that deadly poisonous gas to the planet. Why else did they choose an element so abundant and produced by everything, including people, to lay blame for something that is not happening?

60. #60
    On April 7th, 2009 at 12:47 pm, mojack420 said:

    I refuse to be taxed into giving up smoking. yes its bad for me, yes i know the dangers, but its my life. If i chose to smoke so be it , and thanks to all the indian casinos around my house. I can still get smokes that are tax free 25-27$ a carton .
    Now take that Duhbama and stick it in your pipe and suck on it .

61. #61
    On April 7th, 2009 at 12:58 pm, mojack420 said:

    On April 6th, 2009 at 10:06 am, lgm said:

    Is the real (fictional) John Galt as stupid as the people who want to go Galt? The purpose of high cigarette taxes is to get people to to stop smoking. If you do, you will contribute to the greater good of the American people (something the real Galt would hate to do) by incurring less smoking related health cost. If you quit, you will prove that tax related social engineering works.

    All i have to say to that is Bull$*!%.

    the greater good of the people , I have no responsibility to the grater good of the people , I sure in the hell dont need to fund schip , yet what other product is more then 1/2 in tax alone?
    the feds rape you and the states rape you again , your constantly beaten over the head and told where you can and can not smoke . I have my own health insurance , i own my own home. i smoke when i want and if you dont like it get out of my freaking face. Oh and just to help out ss i plan on being dead before I collect , so in the end wtf are you doing ? do you fund schip and will you not collect ss? If your answer no then stfu.