Obama’s weather czar: Goodbye, thermostat control. Hello, “climate geoengineering”
Photo source: Project Earth
This is not a joke:
The president’s new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth’s air.
John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.
“It’s got to be looked at,” he said. “We don’t have the luxury of taking any approach off the table.”
…At first, Holdren characterized the potential need to technologically tinker with the climate as just his personal view. However, he went on to say he has raised it in administration discussions.
Next up: The elimination of spring and summer!
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Just fyi, this idea of “intentional large scale manipulation of the global environment” has advocates on both the left and right.
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What could possibly go wrong here???
But “shooting” is involved… how can they even consider such a thing? ( full snark operating)
Let me get this strait. Yesterday they were cutting the military, today they want to deploy particles into the stratosphere. Who they gonna get to do it, Kim Jung Ill?
But seriously, this administration has more ideologues and air heads than even Jimmy Carter.
How about planting some trees? They stuff carbon back into your yard, and the shade is nice.
BTW, Hawaii has had an unusually cold winter which someone actually tried to tell me was proof of warming…
What a dope. Doesn’t this administration have a drug testing policy?
Is the White House smoking something Obama brought back from Europe?
…shooting into the air?
Yeah, that’ll work…
What happen to ‘gun control’?
Global cooling is here!
http://icecap.us/
Unbelievable. Simply unfrigginbelievable.
Only slightly off-topic regarding the government control of thermostats…
What are they going to do in cases of people like me, people who spent years as a heat and air man? You think I would sit around and let the government control my thermostat? Not a chance. In fact, I don’t know to many heat and air men that don’t have an old T87 or two tucked back somewhere. That old round, mercury bulb thermostat that’s in your grandparents house is one of the most reliable and accurate thermostats ever made. I still have a few stored away just because I like the idea of having mercury around because of how much it drives my “eco-aware” friends crazy.
California only has two seasons: Green and Brown
(which translates into Landslide and Fire season)
They’re threatening to tax me to death; they’ve indebted me to China for the rest of my life; they’re going to nationalize and bureaucratize my health care. But as a committed summer-lover and sun-worshiper; as one who loves to sit at a Rockies game in 90 degrees baking my assets off; as one who lazes by the pool ’til I’m basted like a turkey . . . all I can say is ‘HANDS OFF MY GLOBAL WARMING, PUNK!’
Um, didn’t eco-nuts tell us the cause of global warming was pollution in the atmosphere?
I’m confused.
By the way, if we’re cooling, do we want to be even COLDER? I freakin’ hate the winter.
History is replete with government “scientists” screwing up the environment and wasting public money on loopy schemes. This guy follows a long line of officially sanctioned crackpot Quixotes.
Who are WE to say what the proper temperature should be? It’s cyclical. All living things in the world adapt when climate changes.
Elimination of spring and summer? Of course that means the elimination of agriculture/crops in the US.
Also, FYI, I do believe they seed the clouds in Thailand. My daughter befriended an exchange student from Thailand and that’s what she reported.
We broke a thermostat in 8th grade science class that was sitting on the bookshelf right next to us. We played with those little balls of mercury all year long.
Did I forget to mention that friable asbestos covered our ceilings and we were always throwing things up there to make them stick?
I dont think any of us have died yet.
My bad. I meant thermometer…
Putting combustible or explosive devices on the hands of secular progressive liberals is a bad idea. These are the same people who don’t know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun. Can you imagine their fingers on the fire button of an ICBM pollution-seeding missle? Egads!
They want to control the weather by polluting the sky? They’re already polluting kids’ minds in the public schools. I’m seeing a theme here.
Asbestos ceiling tiles in our school.(until they were replaced in, I think, my third grade year.) We did the same thing. What kid doesn’t?
LOL… Hey I was still doing that when I was a grown man. We’d roll the balls around on the tailgate of the work truck. Then shut the tailgate so it would drop out on the ground at the shop. Drop the tailgate then sit on it to eat lunch.
Gaia forgive me for being an eco-sinner.
Didn’t they call this idea “nuclear winter” a few years back?
Perfect, Al Gore’s next global warming meeting won’t be canceled because of 5′ of snow, it will be canceled because of 10′ of snow
Gee, why didn’t we think of that? Oh wait. We did. In the third grade! Sort of like shooting holes in the clouds to make it rain, right?
With this kind of brilliance in DC, no wonder we have a “global warming problem.” They all think they’re “hot stuff.”
Idiots!
LOL… Thanks, I had forgotton the story about shooting cannon balls into the clouds.
another one of zero’s jokes, weather czar?? has decided to use a complex system of extension cords to power four fans, one facing east, west, north and south to keep the the global warming monster away.
Do NeroBama appointees come with tin foil hats, or are taxpayers billed seperately?
I’m going to have to go back to quoting Bugs Bunny, because this administration is just cartoonish:
“What a maroon”.
First week of April two years ago, I was out planting tomatoes in my garden. Today, there are snowflakes falling here in western CT. While that is not unheard of here, please don’t insult my intelligence!
Global warming, my patootie.
My only question is, does this science adviser where a loincloth? Have fancy headgear with big horns protruding? Got any mumbo-jumbo beads going here?
truly amazing that this is suppose to be the best that this administration can come with to add to its already sizable idiotic circus. really , this administartion makes the very stupid look smart. an amoeba would come across as a genius next to these deep thinkers .
This stratospheric dust solution would be too hard to control. I think we should just build a giant tinfoil reflector around the whole earth with lots of holes in it to let enough sunlight through to allow proper plant growth. We could fill or increase the number of holes to adjust the temperature as we see fit. Seems simple enough to me.
The Administration should remember the rule, “You broke it, you bought it”…
If we do something to intentionally change the weather, we will be held responsible for every tornado, hurricane, blizzard or rained out picnic, until the end of time.
Obama wants to cool things down?
Stop talking, moron.
In the store today, I made the off-the -cuff humorous complaint about “global warming,” since it was snowing outside. The store owner mentioned, with due diligence of a MSM newsgatherer, the thinning of Antarctic Ice.
I then mentioned that that ice was situated right above an active volcano…conveniently left out of the “warming” news report. She was surprised (and of course most polite as I was the customer) but said it made sense to her.
It just makes sense, period. It’s April 8th and snowing. And Obambi wants to make it colder???
The climate will never be tamed by man. It’s embarassing to have supposedly intelligent people espousing the global climate warming warnings as dire and we must do something. These are the same idiots that would have fought to the death that the earth was flat during the Middle Ages.
I wish Holdern would have sent a little of that “global warming” my way last night. I think we lost our entire peach crop for this year. The tomatoes are still pretty small, so I covered those, and hopefully they’ll be okay.
We’ll see. It wasn’t a hard frost, but it was unusually late in the year for us.
And of course, by “we”, you mean Americans, conservatives, global-warming skeptics, and our great-great-great-great-great grandchildren.
Obama and the Democrats? They will be innocent of all wrongdoing.
My tomatoes never did ripen last year in New Jersey. The soil never got warm enough.
Of course, one has to be a tax cheat and or on drugs of some kind to be considered for a government position.
ain’t it something, Bush the liberal, globalist is looking more conservative everyday Odopey is in office.
This is so easy! Just blast Barneys Frank into orbit, where he can provide a shield between the Earth and the Sun. The shadow cast combined with eliminating his hot air on the ground will provide more than enough cooling!
This is nothing more than disinformation. There are no plans to do this, there is no global warming and Holdren knows it.
However, there is are literally trillions in Cap and Trade tax revenue to be had and thousands of environmentalist wacko votes to be garnered by firing more gunshots into the air to keep driving the terrified lemmings in the proper direction.
Panic is the only legislative approach that Obama has. There are no rational points to be made for any program he wants to put on the table. Thus, we have to create the illusion that the Earth will spontaneously combust without the heroic efforts of our eco-warriors and of course Cap and Trade.
It will cause the Earth to cool and the stock market to warm.
Everyday the stock market goes down, my elderly mother says, “Well, Obama must have opened his moutrh again today.”
Replay of the 70s, when carbon black was to be spread on the ice to stave off the coming ice age. So how stupid would that have looked today? About as stupid as this sounds.
The global temperature is plunging at the rate of over 6 C degrees per century. From the El Niño year of 1998 until Jan., 2007, the average temperature of the Earth’s atmosphere near its surface decreased some 0.25 C (0.45 F). From Jan., 2007 until the spring of 2008, it dropped a whopping 0.75 C (1.35 F)
…and these MORONS want to shoot garbage into space to accelerate the cooling process?
Two road weary but very appropriate cliches come to mind;
1. This is not going to end well.
2. You can’t fix stupid.
Oh great, another black hole in space…
Shakes head…
Time to move to mars. Earth has been taken over by idiots.
Something just tells me that this idea of his is going to work SOOOO well, be SOOOO effective, that … it will even affect the global warming THAT ALREADY HAPPENED! It might even work too well and make the temperature start coming down since 2000?
a two fer: give san fran nan a boeing 747 to get her to and from caliiifornia, while polluting the hell out of the atmosphere with burnt jet fuel to shuttle queen fran. buying the 747 STIMULATES the economy, while polluting the atmosphere cools the planet. hey, why are we then being asked to pay to cap and trade coal plants, and shouldn’t we be encouraging china to pollute it’s butt off?
But wait? I thought the One could just hold up his hand and create a shadow over the Earth? Oh wait, never mind… he already did that.
More confirmation that these people…
Obama on down…
are simply insane.
To save the world for polution, they are going to shoot tons of chemicals into the upper atmosphere.
I swear, I have seen this before on a bad sci fi show.
Sounds reasonable…
RAAAACIST!!!!!1111!11one!
Burt Lancaster played that part in the Rain Maker. What is this, a remake?
Hollywood DOES run DC! Stand back nonbeliever! Beat that drum!
Shooting pollution into the air?
I’m sorry did the Obama administration just watch both the Matrix and Animatrix last night? I mean seriously, blocking out the sky by shooting pollution, what could POSSIBLY go wrong?
Not for long, so the theory goes; it’s called “price elasticity of demand”. Skyrocketing electricity prices (Oboingo’s election promise) means people will either do without power or find means (illegal or legal, polluting or non-polluting; most likely the two former) to produce their own. It works the same way as confiscatory marginal tax rates: the enterprising start doing everything in cash and the “black” (non-racial reference – maybe “underground” wouldn’t be misinterpreted, deliberately or otherwise, by the weak-minded
) economy explodes in size.
Businesses will just relocate their production elsewhere. Enterprising countries who are not subject to enviro-looneyism (think India, China) will take over almost all production of manufactured goods (as if they haven’t already started this).
Our economy will sag, and tax revenues will sag even faster. The former is, I believe, the whole idea behind the “global warming” spongiform encephalopathy. The latter is an obvious consequence.
What the Kommunisticheskaya Partiya currently pretending to run our government will do in the face of this collapse is what should be concerning us almost as much as the collapse itself.
Lets launch all of the congress critters and obomites into space that should cool the earth via two ways. Blocking the sun with their fat heads and A$$ as well as eliminating all the hot air they expel every time they open their clap traps.
The thing that bothers me is not that they have said something stupid.
What bothers me is that, if they are willing to say this out loud, they consider EVERY possibility short of it as absolutely justifiable.
These people want absolute control over our use of energy, for REAL; absolute control over our lives.
That should terrify and enrage every rational person.
Nothing new here. They’ve already been pissing in the wind for 60+ days and telling us it’s raining.
Using the term black hole, in any context, is forbidden! This is your last warning!
it snowed in st louis on sunday and monday. it’s colder than a penquins butt at night. we need more hot air from gore to warm us up. the cardinals are playing, and it’s too cold to go to the games!
Gee, then maybe they out to pass a law outlawing volcanoes! Wouldn’t want mother nature to do what she’s been doing for a billion freakin’ years.
Before I let them control my use of power, that is EXACTLY what I will do.
It would be absolutely hysterical if someone said to Holdren, “We can do that tomorrow. We can take the scrubbers offline at all of our coal power plants and blow all the soot up into the air that you want. Problem solved.”
CO2 and soot will counteract one another, the operating costs on the plants will go down, thus lowering our utility bills.
We know it works, because that’s how the Chinese coal plants work and the Chinese claim they have no global warming. There it is, proven technology.
Further we can now call out the environmentalists for CAUSING Global Warming when they forced the removal of soot from the air.
IT’S ALL GOOD!
This is the kind of acid flashback ideas you get when the Woodstock (my)generation is in charge.Before it is over we will be hearing about the pretty colors from the shooting particles.
How about we shoot some politicians and enviro-nitwits into the upper atmosphere instead?
I think this is their “out.” They now realize that man made global warming is false, so they concoct this scheme to “fix” the problem. It will get funded heavily through the Dem/Obama machine and then they can claim to have rescued us from the brink of disaster.
I am in tears I am laughing so hard. The truth hurts.
We have tried using other titles for Bwrney Fwank but the editor kills our message.
But if you say we should not refer to Elmer Fudd as a Black Hole then I will not refer to the pimpmeister as a Black Hole. Is “Glory” too rough?
This was the title from the FOXNews article, “Obama May Block Sun’s Rays to End Global Warming”…I thought maybe I had wandered onto The Onion WebSite…
The obscurdity is not only can’t the Green prove man-induced global warming (NASA, throw out those Mars rover temperature readings!), but are hypocrites to a fault. For decades the Green/MSM crowd have belittled attempts at weather control to curb storms and floods, yet now they can’t wait to get “anti-carbon” projects off the ground to “cool the planet” down (watch Discovery/Science channels. It’s a riot — but not so funny when they hawk their long outdated and biased “science” shows to greenitize our kids! EVER seen a positive show on nuclear energy?? When and where was the REAL “birth” of the atomic age?) Now Greens via the U.N. want to bar Antarctica and soon jungles and savannas even from mere tourists so to keep them as their own smug oh-so-caring-of-mother-planet-Earth playgrounds.
James Greenidge
Queens, NY
B-b-but…I thought pollution particles, called chlorofluorocarbons (CFC’s) “destroyed” the ozone layer, contributing to the global warming myth? Never mind that both CFC and ozone are greenhouse gases that “absorb” heat from sunlight…
I can’t wait until one of these master planners suggest we kill two birds with one stone…by detonating nuclear devices in a drastic effort to cause a nuclear winter which will help cool the planet rapidly, and at the same time, the electro-magnetic pulse generated would disable carbon fuel consuming vehicles, and limit, for a least awhile, CO2 production, thus also lowering the heat-producing greenhouse gas in the near atmosphere….
Naturally, they will deal with the radiation, and collapse of the world economy the way they deal with everything else…George Bush blah, blah, blah…Karl Rove, blah, blah, blah…Rush Limbaugh, blah, blah, blah…conservative values, blah, blah, blah.
From the project earth home page.
I swear, I didn’t change one word…
These are the people now running the white house.
WACKOOOOOO
When I read this story, I got a mental picture of Obama, slouched in his “royal red and gold chair” with his crown tilted on his head and WALLA! It comes to him – not only how to bring peace to all nations, but how to fix the weather – shoot things up in the air..yeah..that’ll do it..yeah. Now he really is God – he’s in charge of the weather. He’ll command the weather such and such and it will be so. What a fruitcake this guy is.
Waitwaitwaitwaitwait.
So… the air over China just stays over China? You mean there’s NO SUCH THING as a global circulating air current?? Those blasted science books have been pumping my head FULL OF LIES all this time!! Da** public school!
I’m so thankful the Great O has come to free us…
Someone pass me another glass of kool-aid… I am finally at peace…
Wow… Look at all the colors….
This sound SO familiar…
Oh wait… I’m thinking of GLOBAL COOLING.
Excerpt from article:
These people are so predictable. Lunatics one and all. Deluded beyond reason.
Note to Al Gore, inevitable inconvenient truth Death & Taxes aka Cap & Trade.
Well, give them enough time, and I think Iran and North Korea will take care of the problem.
/sarc
No, these are the inmates running the asylum.
These are the smartest guys in the room?
So now what am I supposed to do with all these carbon credit certificates that I printed up in my basement?
Whoever wrote this claptrap would be hard-put to know the difference between the two.
I have another suggestion how we might save the planet, let’s super glue all the lips and noses of liberals together. It would eliminate half the CO2 from those animals.
Apparently, shooting crap into the sky can make things go either way:
Researchers at NOAA:
Ummm… how’s that gonna fly with the “alternative forms of energy” crowd? I’m sure they’ll find a way to spin it to their advantage.
EQ has it right. The inmates are running the asylum!
Whoever wrote this is now a leading force in this nations national and international policy.
I suspect drug use is somehow involved.
nail.head.
#82
Serious, I want to move to Mars, because if these bozos are in charge this planet is seriously F$%^ED.
There’s your problem. As chap pointed out to us a while back, Flavor-Aid is the good stuff.
Well isn’t it obvious that they are not certain or why else would they mention it in the first place?
I watched a recent HBO broadcast of Bill Maher which included David Frum and others.
In that program a bald, effeminate guy sitting between two other pannelists/guests dissuasively mocked a person (not on the program) who dissents from Global Warming stated that the person is nuts and that they should get rid of him.
I found that telling, but not surprising for that is all I’ve heard when it comes to anyone who dissents from several populist beliefs, including Global Warming, Darwinism-evolutionism as 100% fact while Intelligent Design is mocked as religion, Creationism, and anti-science. Opposition to Human Embryonic Stem Cell Research also draws similar dismissiveness and rudeness, such as the accusation that, if you oppose HESCR then you are anti-science, you want people to suffer, etc.
The same holds true for abortion. If you oppose abortion then you are a religious nut and you hate women. If you are a man and you oppose abortion you are a religious nut, you hate women, and you stick your nose where it doesn’t belong.
A typical command is pronounced upon you, “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one! If you are a man, you will never get pregnant, so shut the F#@# up!”
That last one is hilarious because many women cannot have babies either. I suppose women who oppose abortion but cannot have babies should “shut the F#$@ up!” also. Imagine also if you told someone, “If you don’t like rape or murder or torture, don’t have one!” thus allowing them to be carried on and lawful to execute upon your loved ones and others in society. Absurd!
Nevertheless, we are all qualified to oppose abortion.
How?
We are all former human embryos and all former human fetuses who survived an abortion – butchering, slaughtering of babies via abortion culture. That makes us totally qualified, having been among the segment of the human race most at risk from abortion and those who love to advocate them and perform them, to oppose abortion.
Global Warming, like Darwinism-evolutionism, Human Embryonic Stem Cell Research, and abortion, is over sold on the public, and promoted by the uneducated, uninformed, down right erroneous and bias media and celebrities of Hollywood, and all-to-often proven to be underinformed, misinformed, uninformed, and wrong politicians. The general public, often misinformed, misguided, gullible, and under educated in such matters, play along. Innocent in a way, but ignorant nonetheless.
Now some have come to the conclusion that it is okay to throw off the balance of our environment by shooting pollutants into the air, all for the oversold religion/cult of “Global Warming,” in which, if the temperature is hot, it is due to Global warming, and, if the temperature is cold, it is also due to Global Warming, and, if the crops are growing well, it is due to Global Warming, and, if it is raining, it is due to Global Warming, and, if it isn’t raining, it is due to Global Warming.
Once they shoot pollutants into the air to affect Global Warming, I wonder what they’ll say after an unwanted chain reaction results, destroying organic life here on planet earth en masse, including human beings?
They’ll probably declare that getting rid of human beings, just like abortion, is actually good for planet earth, and for the Universe.
Someone ought to get a quote from Dr. William Gray, the hurricane expert, who has made his predictions in years past based on many global factors (drought, desert, ocean temps, etc). If we go messing with the ecosystem, it may seem like it would improve one area, but I’m sure it could have catastrophic consequences elsewhere on the earth.
He didn’t mean it ZA, really he didn’t. He’s drunk. Yeah, that’s it, he stinkin drunk.
Lol, yeah right, you’re such a kidder Michelle.
if the Odopey Administration could bottle stupid all our energy problems would be solved.
dances–burn them for heat, along with that extra currency that will be printed.
I just told my co-worker about this plan, she looked at me like I was nuts.
Don’t blame her, I had to look a few times as well.
Of course they do. How do you think these nutjobs get the job?
There are Christian sects who reject medicine as an attempt to thwart G-d’s will. There are some who think vaccination is a left wing plot to infect Americans. Thankfully, these groups do not control US medical policy.
Global warming and attempts to deal with it are serious and real. Making fun of them doesn’t make you look good.
Prove it.
Who is ZA?
I wouldn’t be the person who is drunk. I do not drink any alcoholic beverages whatsoever, not even while toasting at a wedding reception. I just don’t like them, their taste, etc., and I have no use for them.
William
I was just having a little fun at zeroangel’s expense. He was involved in a couple of long threads defending Darwinism.
As far as the drinking, I’m sure chapoutier drink enough for the both of you. See, it’s all about balance.
So solving a “problem” (hint, look at the ice levels, they have returned to 1970 levels) caused by crap in the air they plan to shoot MORE crap into the air.
And you think this is a GOOD idea???
REALLY???