Obama’s weather czar: Goodbye, thermostat control. Hello, “climate geoengineering”
Photo source: Project Earth
This is not a joke:
The president’s new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth’s air.
John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.
“It’s got to be looked at,” he said. “We don’t have the luxury of taking any approach off the table.”
…At first, Holdren characterized the potential need to technologically tinker with the climate as just his personal view. However, he went on to say he has raised it in administration discussions.
Next up: The elimination of spring and summer!
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Just fyi, this idea of “intentional large scale manipulation of the global environment” has advocates on both the left and right.
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Who is ZA?
I wouldn’t be the person who is drunk. I do not drink any alcoholic beverages whatsoever, not even while toasting at a wedding reception. I just don’t like them, their taste, etc., and I have no use for them.
William
I was just having a little fun at zeroangel’s expense. He was involved in a couple of long threads defending Darwinism.
As far as the drinking, I’m sure chapoutier drink enough for the both of you. See, it’s all about balance.
So solving a “problem” (hint, look at the ice levels, they have returned to 1970 levels) caused by crap in the air they plan to shoot MORE crap into the air.
And you think this is a GOOD idea???
REALLY???
Someone else has probably noted this, but I would have thought with all the tin-foil hats in use that the sun’s rays would be deflected thus causing a cooling trend.
Reflect the sun’s…
Aw, HELL no!
Someone’s gone and started using movie plots as policy propositions!
Killer Asteroid?
“The administration has sent out a formal request to Bruce Willis…”
– MuscleDaddy
Actually, folks, this IS NOT rocket science. Follow the money….just follow the money right into the pockets of Obama and all his ecomaniacal friends. If this wasn’t so sick, I’d be laughing.
On second thought, thanks Twofoot #19, everything FlyoverMan said, and Roman Con #31 – You are sooo funny!!
MuscleDaddy
I KNEW I had seen it in a crappy movie somewhere.
Between all the commentary here as well as from the Obama administration…. I am bent over in tears laughing.
When the reality sinks in that these freaks running the government are serious, the tears will be from sheer terror.
John:
I am too busy at work to bother, besides I said I wouldn’t anymore. I will mention one or two things though since you called me by name.
William:
I am the resident libertarian atheist.
I reccomend Jerry Coyne’s “Why Evolution is True.” If you are serious about learning you should check it out.
I recommended the same to John.
The “right-wing” opposition to evolution makes “us” look uneducated and foolish. Even the Catholic Church accepts evolution as a truth. This doesn’t mean there isn’t room for god anymore, it just means (at the least) he used a complex method. Personally, I don’t think a “god” that messes around with dinosaurs makes any sense unless you believe he used evolution as the method.
AlohaGuy,
My wife and I married outdoors, overlooking the sea and Molokini Crater at sunset in Makena, Maui, Hawaii.
This past September 2008 we revisited Maui, this time with our four children – two girls, two boys, ages 11 through 6 months – in tow, showing them where we married, and visiting different parts of the island, even staying in Hana at a private property all to ourselves. They LOVED Maui and want to live there! They loved the ocean, and loved playing in the waves. Our 11 year old daughter, for comfort, held my hand and went snorkeling with me at Ulua Beach as well, snorkeling for the first time in her life, and she LOVED it. She saw amazing fish and even a small octopus at the coral reef that we swam out to.
I LOVE Maui and Kauai!
When we were in Maui in September I did not notice if the weather was unusual for Hawaii.
Aloha Guy, from experience there is one thing I know is a typical behavior from Global Warming cultists, and the general public who swallow their swill, they WILL tell you that, if the temperature is high and hot, then it is due to Global Warming, and, the reverse, if the temperature is low and cold it is also due to Global Warming.
Whatever takes place, increase in rain fall, reduction in rain fall, increase in snow fall, decrease in snow fall, hot, cold, plants grow, they don’t grow, and on and on, it is ALL due to Global Warming.
That begs the question, what ISN’T caused by Global Warming?
Aloha!
Maui no ka oi!
William
http://projectearth.com/HTML/EditorialArchive/global_cooling.html
It gets worse. They are chemtrail conspriacy nuts as well. According th the project earth guys, WE ARE ALREADY DOING THIS!!!
LOL
The facts;
Cro-magnum man is 40,000 years old.
the earth is 4.5 billion years old.
First weather records kept by James Tilton was in 1814. We have about 200 years of weather records which represents 0.5% of the time man has been on the earth. So how many billions or trillions are we throwing at this? Somebody’s gonna get rich off of this scam!!!!!! I wonder if these particles in the atmosphere will cause permanent winter? I doubt they have thought it out…
There’s consensus, doncha know? All you have to do is train yourself to ignore all those who disagree with you, and ignore countervailing facts and analysis (or apply sophomoric rhetorical tactics against them) and voila, consensus.
Yep, but now in CA when this happens they shut the building down for a week. Remove the carpet, the furniture, purify the airducts, and spend a cool $100k without blinking an eye. If you think I am joking, I’m not. I saw a recent claim where this very thing happened. Later upon claim review the enviro “expert” said it may have been an over-reaction.
Yeah, right.
I can almost hear Rod Serling welcoming us to the Twilight Zone…
I pray that we can hold on until early November 2010 and that we send a clear message to the loony-tunes crowd about how they are destroying our country.
John Holdren stated that, “while this solution may be expensive and add to our deficit, the Obama administration has plans to cut the deficit by using less expensive Chinese pollution particles. The Chinese produce high quality pollution particles at a much lower per particle cost than American pollution particles which have excessive management pay and union legacy costs attached. This is a free country and it is not unpatriotic to shoot foreign pollution particles as long as you like the quality and the price”.
Its not enough Obama wants to control everything here in the USA if not the world . Now he wants to play the deity he knows he can be by controlling the weather. Whats next, walking on water?
What an egomaniac! Maybe he wants to destroy agriculture so he can command the starving masses.
I think it’s a good time to bring out this quote again…
“The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” C. S. Lewis
(emphasis mine)
As I said, I was just having fun at your expense.
Good to see you’re still around.
John:
Yah. I am still here. I wouldn’t leave MM’s site; it gives a good counter-balance for other things out there.
Have you picked up the book yet? I really hope you do. It’s suposed to be very good and concise.
I’ve literally worked on thousands of aircraft and on each and every one I’ve found a ‘chemtrail producing device’
They’re called ENGINES!
All I can think of is Tommy Chong saying: “Watch me turn this napkin and this glass, into a piece of fruit! (wraps napkin around glass into a phallic shape) Ain’t it a peach?!
Not yet, but I will. Right now, I have three queued up, but I’ll get to it.
John:
Glad to hear it. Hopefully we can continue our discussion afterwards.
Have a good evening.
So we have gone from “Bringing science back to the White House” to setting up global warming as the official religion of this country.
Isn’t there actual scientific evidence that we are not warming, but are indeed COOLING? I thought there was actual concrete proof of that!
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/
global ice levels.
lgm, please explain the following:
1) Since 1998 global temperatures have cooled each year. Why?
2) If you historically correlate the earth’s temperature overall with the amount of CO2, water vapor, methane, soot and anything else you can measure only one measurement correlates with the earth’s temperature; solar activity. What does that tell you?
3) Since the end of thelast Ice Age 18,000 years ago, temperatures have gone up and down annually, but the amount of CO2 has increased without any correlation to temperature. What does that imply?
4) NASA has measured the temperature variations of 9 solar system planets and moons. All of their annual temperature variations correlate to each other and Earth’s. What does that tell you?
5) It was revealed that a large number of temperature recording devices are located in urban areas. What impact might htat have on their readings?
6) NASA recently admitted its sensors under recorded amount of Arctic Ice for the last few years by an area the size of Califiornia. What does that imply?
7) Prior to the Little Ice Age from @1300 – 1800, it was so warm that Greenland was farmed and grapes grew in Northern Scotland. How small do you think the Arctic Ice Cap got? The Gulf Stream was unaffected? Why wasn’t it? And best of all despite this period of warm weather with no humans to protect them, the polar bear did not go extinct. Givcen the warmth of the Arctic region how did the polar bear survive?
You have the floor, sir.
Let me channel “lgm”:
“Bush has a lot of explaining to do, doesn’t he?”
Commiefornia is implementing new diesel regulations to take soot OUT of the air. There is even an idea to use giant fans in the LA area to scrub the air of soot.
That stupid SOB should have been a private in the army where there is much fondness for digging holes and then putting the dirt back into the hole.
sheesh, moi stupido
John Deaux said (#96):
This is asking me to prove that vaccinations prevent disease. You could refuse to accept consensus, blame it on profit hungry drug companies, etc. But the real world accepts the benefits of vaccinations and the dangers of global warming.
Thank you, flyoverman. May I add that if no-one believes that grapes/wine was grown in Scotland, they can always check many old village street names there. (Vineyard names). I always ask people…why did they name that island “Greenland”? Not for the ice, I’m sure. In 1000 A.D., we had a lot of “global warming” which was a boon to agriculture and exploration. Famines in Europe were ended. Why is it that the earth warms, THEN co2 goes up; not vice-versa. It’s all about power and money. When the money and power dries up, they will switch to global cooling. I once listened to an 80 year old man, who remarked how frightened he was, as a child in the ’30s, going to the movies and seeing newsreels about global warming and, especially, the extinction of polar bears. He ran home to his mother, all upset. Yes, they had more than one global warming scare, with cooling mixed in. It’s a great money-maker, like the asteriods hitting us, between the Yellowstone volcano,tsunamis on the east coast and major earthquakes, not to mention aliens, wiping us all out, any day now. I live in the tidewater region of Virginia. Aren’t we supposed to be underwater by 30-50 feet by now? They said so, several years ago.
I strongly recommend the Nizkor project to you in general (as I think you, and many like you, could benefit from it quite a lot), but at least look at this page and this page.
THERE IS NO CONSENSUS.
Just because al gore and his small hand picked set of scientist who already agreed with him say one thing, doesn’t mean it is true.
In fact its a flat out lie.
Um, no it isn’t. There would be overwhelming imperical evidence showing a significant warming trend that has increased for several years, if not decades.
A mere 30 years ago, average global temps cooled so much they talked of a second ice age.
Since 2001, we’ve also seen cooling, rather than warming.
The only people who take “global warming” seriously aren’t living in the “real world” – they’re living in a fantasy land wherein they get to control the lives of others for the sake of “saving the planet.”
I live in central NC. I am supposed to be beachfront property by now. What the heck happened?
I believe lgm, that proving the sun rises in the east MIGHT be the only thing easier to prove from a scientific standpoint. The reductuion in disease due to vaccination is measureable and demonstrable. Seen any smallpox or polio victims lately?
Consensus is a discipline used in the poltical and social areas of studies. The Scientific Method calls for conclusions based on observation, measurement and when required experimentation with an active and control group.
My post 124 is based on those principles. As I said, you have the floor.
This is like everything else the government gets involved in, that being money. If there is a small problem, the government gives it little or no money. Or…a big problem. Lots of money, the Dems are famous for “fixing” things by throwing money at it. The people who gain money through crisis engineering are really good at it. Smoking, obesity, homelessness, Global cooling then Global warming then Climate Change. Climate Change thugs have really given a lot of scientists a hard time for not towing the line. Was not a high ranking guy at the Weather Channel fired for saying he thought Global Warming was bull? The lefty trolls in here yelled at us because Bush was leading through fear. Obama has been the biggest fear monger ever.
Go to the mirror and check your cheeks for gill slits. If none are present, you are still on dry ground and good to go.
The consensus here is that lgm is sitting on his brain, that it has never been used and still in the original packaging…
These people are f*&^$(*g retarded. Without doubt, absoultely lacking in any type of real, logical thoughts. This is the result of money for nothing for research. Paid hacks.
They suppose themselves to be above God, to be able to “fix our climate”.
God help us.
Socioengineering, econoengineering, now geoengineering. Ultimate goal: omniversoengineering.
You know somebody wants to try it. Others will undoubtedly take heed and consider the possibilities.
This is called terraforming, and the only time I’ve seen it, Sigourney Weaver had to kill plenty of aliens.
I think a humongous pait of Blu-Blocker sunglasses would do the trick.
The Matrix comes true.
Huh. It’s like being part of the Gullible Warning — er, Global Warming crowd makes you feel snugly more of a hero than the grunt in Iraqi ducking fanatic bullets while teaching a paltry number of kids because your concern gets to save an ENTIRE Planet! Wow, Captain Planet!
I wonder how much these volcanoes of late have been contributing to the “warming” over ours! Hello MSM?
James Greenidge
Queens, NY
This is truly insanity. Meglomania on a scale that dwarfs even a Roman Emporer.
That these people believe that given our present understanding of climate dynamics and the inability to adaquately model such a sytem that we should fool around with it is Idiotic.
Just for grins look at some simple stats:
Atmospheric mass = 4.5 millionbillion metric tons.
CO2 mass =
I swear to myself these people are idiots.
Anyone who believes in man made global warming climate or whatever type of change it is now, is also an IDIOT!!
God
I’m getting so sick of you reality deniers.
The sun was highly active up until 1998 – the earth warmed as did all the other planets.
The sun entered an inactive period starting in 1998, the earth has began to cool, as are all the other planets.
No amount of delusional proselytizing, or paranoiac babbling is going to change that. Neither is singing Kum-Bai_Ya, wearing Birkenstocks or worshiping some made up earth goddess. And neither is taking statistical data and calling it Science.
Science is cause and effect, not worshiping at the feet of Al Gore and his shot full of holes imagination created PowerPoint slide show. You and your pathetic brain washed brethren have been hoodwinked into believing that a trace element making up less than 0.0035% of the atmosphere is causing global warming and none of you have the guts to realize that the people still pushing this global warming lie while the Earth slowly turns into an ice ball are making MILLION$ of dollars off of your gullibility.
Wake up! Smell the coffee! It’s a huge money making scam and You Got Took! Took so bad you elected the imaginary Nigerian prince as president.
But then you can’t fix stupid.
Honestly, you’d think George Noory was the President’s science advisor.
Actually, that’s not fair to George, since I think he doesn’t believe in anthropogenic global warming.
Just when you think this Administration has gone has far as it possibly can go, if you just wait a bit, it tops itself.
Yes, spraying dust and gas and stuff into the air will have a cooling affect, volcanoes (e.g. Penitubo, Krakatoa) do it all the time. But for humans to try and replicate and control such a phenomena using god-knows-what means on that scale? That would cost trillions. Whoops, no problem. I forgot.
But instead of a DIY volcano, why not send robot probes to small asteroids (say a kilometer in diameter) and nudge them on a collision course with earth (Sahara)? Upon colliding they would kick up a lot of dust and make for some really cool explosions. Do this every few years or so.
Think big. Think very big. The Might “O” is.
If anyone tells you it is getting warmer in Alaska; I have lived here for 35 years and it’s as cold as it ever has been. Record cold in Anchorage last summer. Same thing for Seattle winters the last 3 years. Oh, it must be “climate change” now.
I guess the better terminology in keeping with the vacination analogy – show us some DATA THAT SUPPORTS THE CLAIM.
For vaccines, it is SIMPLE to produce mortality data of a given disease before and after the introduction of the vaccine to suggest that it had an affect.
But with global warming, the alarmists have not offered ONE SINGLE PIECE OF MEASURABLE EVIDENCE to support the claim that human CO2 from fossil fuel causes global warming… not one.
Conversely, we are now armed to the HILT with evidence CONTRARY to your claim. Going with your analogy it would be like seeing an INCREASE, triple the number of polio cases, after the vaccine was introduced.
Sure, still no way to PROVE that the vaccine did it but doesn’t it make sense to STOP the vaccine to see what happens?
This is where you flat earth alarmists are at right NOW. OPPOSITE to what the IPCC and your computer programming twit James Hansen predicted, it has RAPIDLY been getting cooler for the last 7 years, over the last three years the rate of sea level rise has decreased and hordes of killer storms that Gore scared everyone about failed to materialize. All that while CO2 just kept going … UP! You are like the black knight in Monty Python’s Holy Grail. We’ve cut off your arms and legs but you keep saying you haven’t even started fighting yet.
The whole thing is a LIE and never made any sense to me from the first day I heard it. There is simply too LITTLE of CO2 to make any huge difference.
What’s hilarious is that Bangladesh, one of the countries that Gore said would be under water real soon and cause ‘mass migration’ is actually GAINING land at the coast! The idiot never considered… river silt, (any maybe a little geologic uplift as well).
Testimony of John Coleman to the Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands April 7
These people aren’t breathing pure air…
Failure to not recognize that there is a God much larger than yourself results in such insane beliefs.
But if the Redoubt volcano blows enough ash into the atmosphere that there is global cooling, it will give the left some more ammunition against Gov. Palin.
Three words: Environmental Impact Statement.
Weren’t they calling for idiotic measures like this in the 19070’s to curb Global Cooling?
Along those lines I’m sure everyone here has taken note that anything the GOREACLE has ordained has never come to pass.
Why do all their hokey schemes seem to always get a pass? As someone said just follow the money. Has Gore ever cut back his lifestyle? No way that is for the serfs to do not the masters.
LGM:
You fracking dumbass. It is easy to “prove” that vaccination prevents the diseases it is made to prevent.
Take public health data on, say, the incidence of polio, before vaccines are administered to the general population, and then take the data aferwards over a number of years.
Do this everywhre in the planet where large populations got the vaccine.
Gosh!!! What do you learn pre- and post??
People who got the vaccine don’t get the disease.
That’s why Americans don’t get about a half-dozen diseases that used to kill people, especially kids, a hundred years ago.
And no bullbleep, please, about that not
being “proof”, which applies only to mathematics.
It’s just evidence, iron-clad evidence of the type that SCIENTISTS and normal people understand.
Too bad there’s no vaccine against STUPIDITY, lgm.
Too bad for you, that is.
OK, so I’m Canada and Russia, and Barack comes along and says “Brother, for the planetary good we’re going to shorten your seasons for raising crops so that we down here the USA can avoid having to deal with brutal heat about 1 degree higher than “normal”.”
The Canadians (having had their backbones forcibly ripped from them by their socialist squish government) will, of course, take their threatened national impoverishment supinely — but will the nuclear-armed Russkies???
Does “Cane Toad” ring a bell here?
It simply AMAZES ME that there really are people who persist in defending the theory of CO2 causing ‘global warming’ even when YOU SHOVE CONTRARY DATA LIKE THIS RIGHT IN THEIR FACE?
Anyone who refuses to accept the reality of that comparison is either a total IDIOT, a LUNATIC or someone who stands to profit from the SCAM.
Here’s SOME MORE DATA CONTRARY TO AGW fer ya lgm.
fulldroolcup said (#158):
You frakkin’ skinjob cylon.
You might think so, but there are anti vaccine forces who dispute this data.
Danceswithdachshunds said (#162):
Hey, Dance, I’m assuming you yourself are not an expert on climate science. That puts you in the same position as me, having to rely on experts. All arguments you’re making are being made at scientific meetings of climate scientists, where they are discussed and rebutted by experts. It they held water, we would hear about it. Turns out that they don’t.
Don’t know why my response won’t post, so let me try it again.
Ah, “experts”, including notorious global-warming liar Al Gore?
What about these actual experts who don’t believe in or question global warming.
Believe global warming is not occurring or has ceased
Believe cause of global warming is unknown
That’s quite a list, and an incomplete one at that.
I don’t suppose you’ll see the irony in claiming global warming is irrefutably proven while you simultaneously say about vaccines:
There are lots of experts who dispute the data concerning global warming, its causes, and its effects.
Yet, since it doesn’t fit your narrative, and stands in the way of liberal justification for further control over our lives, they don’t matter, right?
LGM:
The problem I have with global warming is as follows:
I simply don’t see how we can be so certain. That is to say, evolution, vaccines, relativity, and even quantum mechanics (to a point) make sense to me.
With global warming I just don’t see how we could possibly have enough data to conclude that humans are responsible. Since you subscribe to this idea you must have SOME idea, right?
I mean, you just don’t accept it at face value because experts say so, do you? It’s never been sufficiently described to me and I have yet to see a global warming advocate that puts forward anything more than “it’s a scientific consensus.”
This (from wiki) is key to me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming#Climate_models
It’s not a hard and true fact. It’s like predicting the weather. Sure, it might be close, and I have little doubt that human beings are responsible for at least some part of global warming (though it might be insignificant), but I don’t know if it’s significant enough to institute radical changes over it.
And weather isn’t predictable. We’re also forgetting that for all of earth’s history, we’ve only been recording temperatures for 150 years or so.
So the data is an extremely small sample from a very large pool; how do we not know there weren’t warming and cooling trends before men started keeping track of the weather?
Englishqueen01: We do know there was warming and cooling before weather records. The press won’t report that. Just as the press is reporting that a bit of ice broke free in Antarctica but won’t report that it’s surrounded by a lot more ice than average.
Yeah, Antarctic ice has been increasing. That’s not reported. A miniscule piece breaks loose and it gets headlines.
This is pure arrogance. If there is no arthorprogenic global warming, then how do you expect to undo it? If man can’t cause the planet to warm, why worry about trying to make it cool.
Besides, Mount Redoubt is spewing “greenhouse” gasses faster than man is anyway…
RUBBISH!!! It DOES ‘hold water’ and we DO NOT hear about it because of Oprah Winfrey and General Electric and all the same apparatchiks who elected a totally inexperienced commie president by withholding/misrepresenting the truth from/to the public.
You have almost ZERO ‘experts’. James Hansen is an astronomer and computer programmer – NOT A CLIMATE GUY. The head of the IPCC, Rajendra Pachauri, is a railroad engineer, (as in choo-choo, ok he’s a chemical engineer but he only worked for the railroad), – NOT A CLIMATE GUY. etc
On MY side I have mostly PhD’s in climate, geology, physics, chemistry, etc. who signed a letter to Obama :
(Note that Dr. Harry F. Lins is ON the IPCC!)
Look at that list of signers LGM. WHO do YOU have? HMMM? I don’t want to hear any more of your CRAP that you have ‘experts’ and that they have EVER rebutted a damn thing! I’d simply LOVE to see any of them dispute any point made in that letter.
englishqueen01 said (#164):
Gore doesn’t claim to be a technical expert, though he surely knows more about it than the average person, you for instance.
Your wikipedia list is interesting, but very small considering how many people have the credentials to be on it. For example, MIT has the world’s most distinguished department of atmospheric and climate science. Exactly one of its faculty has doubts. There’s nobody from Princeton or Harvard or Cal Tech or UCLA or any of the other major research centers. It’s not unanimity, but its consensus.
Thanks, lgm, for the great laugh! You’re an expert because you blindly believe what some scientists say (despite being proven wrong or contradicted).
I, at the very least, would make a documentary that got the facts straight, as opposed to the many glaring errors in “An Inconvenient Truth.”
Also, if Gore really believed in global warming, why does he use cars? Electricity? Planes? Shouldn’t he be the ultimate greenie? Oh, that’s right, those restrictions only apply to folks like me. Not important people like you or Al Gore.
Okay…so when a small number of people don’t speak out against global warming, it means those who do are correct? Besides, the Wikipedia entry itself says it’s only a partial list. So now if every single scientist who doubts global warming isn’t all over the web, they don’t count? Give me a break.
Again – where’s your proof?
Ah, I remember. You can’t “prove” global warming like you can’t “prove” vaccines work. But your logic behind being unable to look at the fact some diseases have all but been eradicated since the dawn of vaccines and conclude that vaccines work is…because a small group of people disagree about the effectiveness of vaccines.
Wow.
Keep spinning. Just make sure you’re not near any hard surfaces when you fall over from all the dizzying (but lacking) logic you’re attempting.
englishqueen01 – it’s not “small group of people ” who disagree that vaccines work – it’s
Forces!!!
/shudder
Sorry lgm – you are not applying logic at all – you are “feeling” that global warming is real because Gore says so. Period. Admit it so we can move along.
LGM — you picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue — firing pollutants into the stratosphere, wasn’t it the environuts that complained the Concord polluted same stratosphere and it would cause Global Warming? Be that as it may, you and all your ilk are like walking into an empty room when it comes to any kind of analysis concerning anything that requires any kind of thoughtful research.Global warming that morphed into Climate Change that morphed into climate crisis ad nausea… is one more example of drumming up hysteria over something that cannot be proved. As a further note – I assume you have changed out all those wicked lightbulbs to CFL’s. Where do you throw the bad ones away.
LGM:
I do understand and respect the fact that so many scientists have reached a consensus.
I guess I am just going to continue to be a skeptic until I get more evidence than computer models everyone admits are incomplete.
In short, I think it is wise to hold off on any action until we have more evidence and (more importantly) better technology to mitigate any damage that may have been caused. This idea of adding more pollutants seems ill-conceived. I would be more in favor of some kind of atmospheric processing (when the technology becomes available and assuming it is necessary).
Perfect caricature of LGM and other earth centrists who STILL argue that AGW is true.
Indeed.
“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”
Consensus is but irrelevant group think – especially when the taint of government grants and foundation stipends to study AGW are more acquirable when a consensus of an institution’s or universities science dept believes it actually exists.
In other words, the institutions you mention as believing in AGW are not credible because they have a vested($) in putting forth the premise that it [AGW] is real.
And BTW, many of Asia & Europe’s top scientists doubt AGW.
This is even scarier that his thermostat idea. If our cars, factories, etc are polluting you are advocating tossing tons of crap into the atmosphere that will either solve the problem or make the problem 1000 times worse.
Edit: “…vested($) [interest] in putting forth… .”
Worth a read from American Policy:
There never really was an actual global warming ‘crisis’ and there never was a global cooling ‘crisis’ in the 70’s either. Those are total INVENTIONS to support AN ATTACK AGENDA that has been around for a long time .. DESTROY THE USA AND WESTERN CULTURE. Read all about it; just Google – “maurice strong” + “al gore” + gaia + “union of concerned scientists” + communist
Then you’ll start to realize that all of these people must be exposed for who they really are and the harm they intend to bring to us, our sovereignty and our way of life. THEY ARE ALL ENEMIES OF LIBERTY.
This just in, wind power is a bust -
Now add that to an earlier revelation that solar cells are virtually useless because you can’t use them over or under crops or forest land and the nitwits who advovate “alternative energy” won’t even allow them to be installed where they make even the slightest sense – in the desert.
The whole thing is just falling apart, BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!
God help us all if this happens… Dont those fools know what they are doing?
Yes we have done some damage, hell but not ALL OF IT. And we DO NOT have the technologies on hand to change it all over night, doing so is to hold the door up and ask for disaster. The road to hell is paved with the best of intentions.
You want to fix the problems, how about taking these trillions of dollars we can just throw away and use them to redesign some major cities, use newer building designs, and tram systems in said cities to cut down on the use of the automobile. (but the problems with such a project the Fool in Chife and the Clowns in DC could never solve or do). Hell plant some more trees, say screw you to international law of the Sea and start harvesting the various garbage spills. (For instance in the Pacific ocean is a huge spot where plastic garbage just joins into pile. Claim it and melt it down, you get new raw Material AND help the enviroment.
The point is, we should help nature to help its self. Not say YOU BETTER DO THIS NATURE OR WE WILL MAKE YOU! Our jumping in rather that allowing it to regulate has caused this mess.
This is a dangerous game Obama is thinking of playing, one we have no more control over than a run away training hitting a fuel and ammo depot. The Nations of the World, or the words of history will not be kind to us. Provided anyone is even left alive to read it.
I’m sure someone has already said this but; “It’s not nice to fool with Mother Nature?”