Why I tea party like it’s 2099
“What was at first plunder assumed the softer name of revenue.”
–Thomas Paine
As you’re probably aware, Michelle’s been a huge supporter of the “tea parties,” as has been Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush and countless others. The phenomenon is spreading, and more will be held on Tax Day — April 15 (a map of all the locations is here).
In late February, I attended a tea party in Lansing, Michigan, and will be there again next Wednesday. While there, I spoke with several people, and, while everybody attended for the same “big picture” reason, many had their own reason to be there.
For some it was wildly excessive and confusing tax laws. Others were there out of concern for their children and grandchildren. Some were there because they’re maddened that the same glorious policies that have made Detroit look like Bangladesh after a garbage haulers strike are being introduced on a national level, a few were upset because the same people who created these massive problems are charged with fixing them, others don’t want their country sold out to some global entity, and one man I saw had a sign that said “‘Government job’ is a contradiction in terms.” Many were there for the reason of “all of the above.”
For me, these tea parties are about putting an end to waste. Not the waste of money (though obviously that’s a major concern), but rather the tragic waste of American ingenuity, innovation, creativity and philanthropy.
Think about the monumental efforts in both time and intellect that are wasted in order to satisfy insane government demands.
I attend the tea parties as a way of showing that it saddens me to know that people who might have otherwise cured a horrible disease, designed grand buildings, created art and music, invented a car that runs on kumquats that people actually want to buy, expanded their businesses, explored the farthest reaches of the universe or had more time to devote to charity are now spending most of their energy trying to figure out a way to write off their lawnmowers as dependents.
It’s a waste, and it’s an insult to those who helped build this great nation, and to those who have died defending it. That’s why I go to the tea parties. How about you?
See you next Wednesday.
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“I got a lion in my pocket and he’s ready to roar!”
All that works for me, but there is the quiver of ideals on which the nation was built, too. I owe allegiance to them, to vindicate them against those who seem determined to smother them, to do what I can to pass them to my children and grandchildren.
I owe myself and other human beings a place where those ideals and ideas can be found at work, in application. A place apart from the rest of the world.
The tea party in Tulsa has been moved from City Hall to Lafortune Park on April 14th. Be there or be square!
I’ll be there to protest congressional malfeasance. How can the congress “appoint” the US Secretary of Treasury as their agent in charge of re-distributing the wealth of a free people? One man choosing which banks and which industries to “bail out”. Could it that those businesses that contributed to democrat candidates received first consideration? Congress has over stepped their constitutional powers and I don’t like it.
I agree, zorro.
My minor correction would be that our government is abandoning our Constitution altogether.
I heard on the radio today that Christianity was dead! BWWAAHHAAHHAAA!
People in American are so self absorbed. Time began with the creation of America and it’s constitution? Don’t they realize Christianity has survived the trials and tribulations, mass killings, governmental persecutions, on and on and on since Christ walked on this earth and still it survives and no matter what happens in the United States it will still exist.
On one thing I may agree, the United States isn’t serving Christ nor Christian precepts currently, (as evidenced that Obama was elected to be the president) but that hardly translates to Christianity being dead. Christ and His message lives. Regardless of the state of men’s souls, Christ has risen and He has the victory.
zorro and b-cat …
agreed … however …
I would add the following caveat …
This whole thing is about grabbing power from the people … nothing more and nothing less …
They have no plan to “fix” anything …
The only “plan” they have is to impose complete governmental control over all of the major industries, corporations and financial structure of this country … while at the same time totally rebuking all of our rights as U.S. citizens in every aspect of American life …
MissCheryl …
What was the reason for moving the T-Town T-Party from City Hall to LaFortune Park? …
Just curious …
Yep. Don’t stop there, add to that 50+ million abortions of possible candidates for greatness, plus tax payers, and you realize that we are slowly getting killed off, one way or another.
I don’t know why they moved it. I would like to think it’s because so many are going. I mean, the traffic this would create on a week day in downtown Tulsa would be a nightmare and would deter any one who might otherwise go. But that’s just a guess.
These Tea Parties are a waste of time. What is their purpose? What effect do they have on the enemy? What effect do they have on the rest of the population? They change nothing in Washington. They have no effect on policy. They have absolutely no ability to prevent or change the enemy’s actions. For example, when was the last time you ever saw an anti-war protest change the minds of anyone? When was the last time a PETA event changed the way you or your friends lived? Sure, one could argue that these galvanize support among like-minded people, but so does encouraging others to do “the wave” at a baseball game. These things are wasted efforts with regard to what you’re trying to accomplish.
Success is found in changing the culture. He who controls the culture controls the way a society runs. If the culture is bent on socialism, then no tea party will prevent their desire for socialism. (Anyone else see that “only 53% of American adults believe capitalism is better than socialism“?) If you change the culture to want liberty, to want rule of law, to want capitalism, then the people will demand it from their government.
Culture is the key, and the key to changing culture is education. I implore you to at least consider removing your children from public schools. Secondly, make the effort to affect your sphere of influence. Talk with your neighbors who don’t care or don’t know much about what’s going on in the world. Take the time to educate them. Lastly, turn off the TV and read good books. Why let the MSM pollute your home? Don’t let it.
Like I say: Culture, not Tea Parties, is the key.
Would not this be a perfect reason to snarl traffic and get the press to actually have to cover it? Kinda like laying down in the path of a Sherman Tank?
I attend tea parties for this simple reason “a government for the people, of the people and by the people”.
It is time to let those so called “representatives” know that they served as OUR representatives and WE have the power and resolve to fire them at will through our votes!
Send_Me – consider it pre-2010 campaigning.
Tax Day for me, I get to Bail Out GM. Apparently I get to pay for an auto, I never get to take possession of or ever drive. What is the protest about- The Bail Outs, the out of control Government Spending. Newsflash it is Tax Payer Money NOT politician’s money being spent. The people we elected to public office our public servants are raiding the Public’s Cookie Jar, and leaving I.O.U. Tea & Cookies
Have Tea Bag
Will Travel
with bells on my toes
Good Friday to all-I’ll be nice this once.
Phoenix
What: Phoenix Tax Day TEA Party
When: Wed., April 15, 2009 5:30 – 7:00 pm
Where: Arizona State Capitol, Senate Lawn
Who: The AZ chapter of American for Prosperity, allied pro-taxpayer organizations, hundreds (thousands?) of taxpayer activists from around the state, Arizona’s best legislators, and several pro-taxpayer media personalities. For more details, contact infoAZ@afphq.org.
Why: We need to protest (and stop!) the tax increases proposed by big-spending politicians at the federal, state, and local levels.
How: RSVP to infoAZ@afphq.org saying “I’ll be at the State Capital in Phoenix.” Bring friends, family, and co-workers. And bring signs with big letters for the TV cameras! We will have stations set up where you can put tea bags into envelopes and mail them to President Obama and to your Congress members.
In a way, you could say that the price of a car just doubled…paid for twice.
How about taking them to the tea party to educate them?
Jangar – you may be right, but there isn’t any parking either. There was a week day event held at our new downtown arena – what a cluster. Anyway, this may not be the reason, but personally, I’m glad they moved it. Lafortune is more centrally located as well. Just better all the way around. If a decent amount of people turn out, they will cover it. Course, the local newspaper, “The Tulsa World,” being the liberal rag it is won’t, but they are known for their lies and biases anyway. Just another liberal newspaper on the way out.
I respectfully disagree. There are those members of congress who only live to remain in office. To that end, a few may grow some “Malkins” and defy Crazy Nancy Pelosi and that Knuckle-Head Hairy the Reid. Also, the sight of thousands of “working citizens” protesting the actions of an out of control congress may encourage true conservatives to enter the fray and run for office. Who knows, a few of them may prevail. I’ll be at the Tea Party regardless.
Which makes me wonder…with the auto bailout funded by the US taxpayer, is this the way the multitude gets the car they’ve been asking for from king Obama?
By “waste of time” it sounds like you are stating that the Tea Parties are insignificant. Many things can be considered a waste of time. Reading and responding to blogs could be considered a waste of time. Yet, we still do it and once in awhile, a spark ignites and the fire is started.
Maybe just seeing who is with you and who isn’t and how much interest is generated is enough of a reason to “waste” our time.
What effect does it have on the enemy? There must be some or the liberals wouldn’t be going out of their way to criticize and try to dirupt it if it wasn’t having some sort of effect. People tend to totally ignore the “insignificant”, not spend time criticizing it.
It’s sort of like their dismissive attitude toward Sarah Palin as a person they feel is of limited abilities and to be ignored. Yet, they can’t ignore her because they are afraid of what she stands for. Why else would they attack her and her family if she’s so insignificant? They’d have you believe the Tea Parties are insignificant just as you are doing.
Maybe the Tea Parties won’t accomplish anything. But personally, I think it will generate a signal to congress that their constituents are getting restless and sick of the way this country is headed.
Both Democrats and Republicans need to do some self-assessment on where they stand. That is, if they even have the backbone to take a stand on principles.
MissCheryl …
Understand the parking issue … but why didn’t they move it to a downtown park along the river … now it is about 10 miltes away and will be in a “county” park … not a “city” park … the riverwalk park would have been nearer to the city offices … I just think it loses some of its impact on the city officials by taking place in a “non-city” park …
(Yes … as you and tre and a few others are aware I am originally from Tulsa and visit relatives there several times a year during business trips … so I know the lay of the land …
…)
Hope the turnout is a good one … I know I am planning on taking a vacation day to be able to go to the one here in Phoenix …
miss cheryl,
Where did you get that information on the Tulsa Tea Party change?
The TulsaTeaParty.org site still says April 15 and I’ve gotten no Facebook notifications of a change in Tulsa.
Thanks.
Meet me in St Louie, Louie.
Kiener Plaza at 6:30 PM for our Tea Party!
Too old to dance the Hootchie Cootchie but I can raise a lot of hell about what all the stupids are doing in Washington DC.
I agree with walterc‘s comment. Exposure to the Tea Parties is educational and is a part of the American culture of dissent.
On a superficial level, I believe many of the people who say they are liberal are doing it to be one of the crowd…be cool. Maybe some people who need acceptance will think it ‘cool’ to go to a Tea Party…maybe learn something while there. Anyway, Send_Me‘s comment gives more reason to attend.
I worry about the country I’ll be leaving to my son and daughter. As well as the tax code so confusing that one needs a trained specialist to interpret it for you.
Yeah, Miss Cheryl, a few people thought that 2,000 years ago when looking at Jesus hanging on the cross, too. As New Song said in their song, “3 days later everybody found out that you can’t keep a good man down!”
Oh, and down town Tulsa traffic is a nightmare even on a good day. I’ve driven though it many times.
http://krmg.com/features/teapartytulsa.html
Exactly, Doug!
This is the reason that people from all the other countries couldn’t wait to come to the USA, so that they could do all of these things, as well as live in a place that comforted you at the same time as it let you perform your destiny.
Now it is becoming just another socialist backwater where we stay in our houses & hate each other.
Count me in the “all of the above” category! The idea that in less than 100 days BO could damage my country as much as he has done was once impossible to believe. Not any more! Now they’re trying to get rid of the 22nd amendment, limiting the president to two terms! If they’d tried to do that when Dubya was in office, can you imagine the screeching? OMG, BO wants to be King of the World!
They did that when they swore into office the imposter BO!
A quick search of Thomas shows that similar measures have been introduced in the 103rd (Bush I), 104th (Clinton), 107th(Clinton), 108th (Bush II) and 109th (Bush II) Congress.
You know why no one with any sense, right or left, makes a big deal out of them? Because they have no shot of going anywhere.
sharprightturn, I’m glad you caught the date error. Typo on my part. It is of course, April 15th.
Thanks MissCheryl for the link.
It appears there are now THREE tea parties on the 15th in Tulsa ( you had written the 14th, but KRMG states 15th)
Not sure 3 of them is the best idea, but I will definitely be at one, maybe two.
Thanks!
MissCheryl,
I wrote my last post before I saw your correction.
Thanks!
By that point, how many people will not want what “conservatives” have to offer? How many will want socialism? In essence, you’re campaigning to a bunch of people who want nothing that you offer. People voted for Obama because they wanted to vote for Obama. They wanted that for which he stands. Sure, you want Palin or some other “conservative”, but guess what? At this point, 47% of the country wants a socialist. You must first change the fabric of the nation, the culture, the religion externalized, whatever you wish to call it, then, and only then, will you be successful in getting your candidate elected.
Chap – you are correct that whoever the current president is has made an attenpt to ammend the ammended, however, I doubt anyone of them saw it as more than just an exercise that comes with the territory. But with Zero…not so much. He’s serious!
I strongly recommend to everyone to read Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense” before next Wednesday. It is a quick easy read. At least read the first chapter.
Pay particular attention to the discussion of how he deals with people’s confusion over society (the virtuous realm of all that is good) versus government (where man’s evil side is regulated by necessity).
Freedom can only exist in virtuous societies. The less virtue, the more need for government to maintain order. Government is by definition a curtailment of our freedoms. If we don’t use our freedoms virtuously, we lose as the unavoidable consequence.
Freedom is NOT the natural state of human existence. We have to earn it by being strong and virtuous. That is why I will be attending Tea Parties. It’s about living strong leaning forward.
I’m sorry, but could you point to one thing Obama has said or done that makes you believe he is trying to repeal the 22nd amendment?
And FYI, it seems to be the same (mixed) group that introduces the measure every year, regardless of the current president. So it seems to me based more on a true objection to term limits rather than any desire to crown a President for Life.
Send_me: societies are not changed by the majority. Human nature never changes. The great majority of people are just sheep. They will almost always go along with whatever they sense is going to prevail, unless it greatly threatens their sense of identity where they will fight to the death.
Don’t get derailed by “most people” arguments. “Most people” didn’t support the American Revolution until it was nearly over. There wasn’t even any sense of “we the people” until Thomas Paine wrote “Common Sense”.
So we should just trot along on our “happy way,” never minding or discussing that there are members of our Congress who want one individual (left or right) to remain president into virtual perpetuity?
The tea parties are the citizens’ best way to make our voices heard by elected officials. Whether the MSM reports on the events or not, trust me, politicians are watching. Did you know politicians spend 73% of their time in office raising money/overseeing campaigns for their reelections? When do they do our business? Things do change when thousands of people start making noise (remember those numerous anti-Vietnam War protests??) Please don’t buy into the liberal speak about how these tea parties are a waste of time–liberals can’t handle ANY kind of protest by conservatives! Resist tyranny! Take a stand for your COUNTRY.
OT: At HuffPooPoo ASU Stiffs Obama, Claims Too Inexperienced For Honorary Degree
ASU Media Relations Director Sharon Keeler says ASU ‘will not confer an honorary degree on this year’s commencement speaker, President Barack Obama, because “his body of work is yet to come.’”
Bout time some bastion of liberal brainwashing showed a little common sense.
Here is the contact data to show support for ASU’s decision:
Arizona State University, Tempe campus
University Drive and Mill Avenue, Tempe, AZ 85287
480-965-9011
Michael Crow -President
Foundation Building, Suite 410 [map]
NE Corner of College and University
Telephone: 480-965-8972
Fax: 480-965-0865
Mailing Address:
Office of the President
Arizona State University
PO Box 877705, Tempe AZ
85287-7705
Media Relations Office 480-965-3502
Sharon Keeler, media relations director 480-965-4012
sharon.keeler@asu.edu
Laurie Chassin
480-965-1616
laurie.chassin@asu.edu
Oh you guys – I was watching these tea party people and then some neocon and then a republican – I realized that your party is a sideshow and you people are freaks.
Michelle and Barack are being embraced by the entire planet and all you people can do is complain and watch another freak like Glen Beck – you people are the worste kind of Americans.
Here is Paine’s Common Sense online:
http://www.bartleby.com/133/
send_me; Speaking for San Antonio Tea Party, we intend to build a contact database whereby we can stay in touch, alert one another of pending legislation, to BECOME A MOVEMENT and let Washington DC know we are a force to be reckoned with! We will burn their phone lines, identify by their records, candidates we can & should support! This is a grassroots movement to take our country back before it’s too late.
No. You can waste your time getting worked up about it if you want.
And FYI, you can philosophically oppose term limits and NOT want someone to be in office for life.
Now, how did I know this was coming..If nothing else, you are predictable.
and pray tell, what is your point? Based on Obama’s behavior, I believe he is the epitome of a marxist. You do not. Sorry if this move resonates more with us when Obama does it than when others have. We can debate who is more reasonable about a perception one has regarding Obama – and nothing will change.
Ponder on this from Thomas Paine’s “Common Sense”:
We were just asked to celebrate a “brighter” future by symbolically turning off our lights for one hour on “Earth Day”. What is that suppose to inspire us to do? We are literally being led into a new Dark Age.
Jeez Chap, don’t you ever get splinters from all that fence straddling?
Yeah…you claim Obama is “serious!” about repealing the 22nd amendment. And I ask for some modicum of proof. How lame and predictable of me.
I suppose that if I claimed Sarah Palin was a crack addicted abortion doctor, you would merely shut up and not “predictably” ask for any proof?
Chap – it’s about perception as I stated and much of what you post also comes down to your perception. If you would have claimed Sarah Palin was a crack addict, I would ignore you.
As far as my perception of Obama, let’s ask the question another way. If someone offered him the Presidency for life – do you think he would turn it down?
Huh?
Do you think its possible to oppose McCain-Feingold but NOT want political campaigns to be about who has the most money?
You pretend to argue over the principle of taxation by calling it plunder. In reality you’re just arguing over a few percentage points — 35% vs 39%.
lgm, just shut up and endorse your payroll check to the IRS already.
I take it this nonsense about your “perception” means your google search for comments Obama has made about the 22nd Amendment has come up empty?
My “perception” is that he has taken no action and made no statement about it. You claimed otherwise and are now trying to backpeddle.
Oh Lord, we have two lefties. Doug you are hitting a home run at MM’s site!
Huh?
my response still is:
You make some good points about changinig the culture, etc. But why knock down the tea parties? Can’t we do it all…tea parties, home schooling, talking to the neighbors, etc. without maligning a very big showing of grass roots protest? These tea parties take a lot of work to pull together. I think it would be nice if you would not call them a waste of time. Isn’t that a bit mean?
As if McCain-Feingold was truly about campaign finance reform! Ha! It was the abridgement of free speech under the guise of reform. There you go again, hiding behind class warfare. How dare someone with more money than me, give and campaign for the candidate of their choice!
Send_Me …
If you’re going to cite statistics from a poll … at least quote them correctly …
The poll you are talking about was from Rasmussen and the responses were:
53% wanted Capitalism …
20% wanted Socialism …
27% were undecided …
Quite a difference from including the undecideds and then claiming that 47% want socialism …
I can see you missed my point. You can feel perfectly free to think McCain Feingold was an abridgment of free speech. My point is that this does not NECESSARILY mean you think that the donors with the deepest pockets, rather than positions and the qualities of the candidate, should be the deciding factor. Just like (I am about to make an analogy here for you…) you can think term limits arbitrarily limit voters’ choice of candidates and this does not NECESSARILY mean you want to see any candidate in office for life.
See how that works?
Rogue, we got Ronald Reagan because a bunch of rich conservatives backed him. Because of McCain-Feingold, I’m afraid we may not get another RR!
As if we need more proof that there is a God, no campaign suffered more due to McCain-Feingold than McCain’s presidential campaign last year.
Conservatives are now the “harpies” doing God’s work.
Phil, it does seem to prove that God really does have a sense of humor.
All I have to say is NO TAXATION THAT LEADS TO A SOCIALIST NATION!!!!
The number of unemployed increased by ~663,000 last month, an approximate sum which doesn’t those who have given up looking for work.
How many more unemployed do you suppose, each of those few percentage points will translate into in this economy?
As a so called math teacher you would realize that “arguing over a few percentage points” could be a truly sizeable amount depending on the figure in which those few percentage points are bassed.
Oops! “…doesn’t [include] those… .”
No. Your premise seems to suggest there are only a limited number of people suited-/qualified to hold office.
I would say eliminating term limits has the detrimental effect of maintaining the status quo in government’s approach and policy – a sometimes lethal strategy, given that the myriad of problems our country faces are often dynamic – and forever bonds a party to one or the other ideological extreme on the political spectrum.
For example, I will always see the Democrats as weak on defense because chicken-hawk liberals seem to be the only type of people they nominate in their primaries.
Please, oh I know exactly how that works! Here in Taxachusetts we don’t have term limits but we have Ted Freakin Kennedy Forever! Now whose candidate choices are being limited? Can’t be mine, could it?
I’d say that the Tea Parties are pointless to change the present, but useful as a beginning for something larger.
The donks have come to realize that they’re on their own now with the spending orgy, seeing as how not one Republican in the House or Senate went along with their latest budget bill.
But they’ve also come to realize that they don’t need the Republicans for anything, they’ve got the votes to impose anything they want until at least 2010, and they’re taking advantage of that fact.
Being a fiscal conservative today is like being the father of a beautiful but naive and stubborn 18-year old daughter who’s fallen for a scoundrel. You know that:
1. You’re not going to change the scoundrel’s character, or his intentions toward your daughter;
2. It’ll take at least a couple of years to persuade your naive, stubborn daughter that she’s made a mistake getting romantically involved with the scoundrel; and
3. By that time, he’ll have already impregnated her.
The “Tea Parties” are much like the conversations you have with your daughter and/or the scoundrel: a waste of breath if their purpose is to avoid the coming catastrophe. Nothing is going to prevent that from happening.
But if they serve as the start of what will end up being a long-term salvage project after the scoundrel is finally run out of town, then there’s some use to the protests.
Right on TS. That is my reason for going to the tea parties. Socialism is the root of this evil we are protesting against. My sign is the rattles snake Gadsen flag with DON’T SOCIALIZE ME written under it.
No it does not at all. It says that the voters should have the right to decide whom they feels is most qualified.
All well and good. I don’t necessarily disagree. But it is irrelevant to what I am saying. I am merely saying you can oppose term limits on purely ideological grounds, and not as a barrier to installing some President-for-Life, which as I said is supported by the fact that the same group of people brought the same measure to Congress when BUSH II was in office. You can do this even though no term limits can have unwanted real life consequences, such as entrenched politicians.
Pasadena…You generally have great comments to make, but you are even more astute than usual today!! Your posts are fabulous and words to live by. May I quote you? Thanks!
happyscrapper: thank you! You can steal anything you want from me. Nothing is copyrighted and I’m only interested in getting the message out regardless of who gets the credit. We are staring into an abyss that will be hard to climb out of if we fall in.
Typical liberal ploy to get us to close our eyes to what the corruptocrats are trying to do in the dark of night. That is no longer going to work. Our eyes are wide open, light is being shone in the cracks of Congress and the cockroaches are scattering.
Looking for sign ideas? Check out this site: http://www.teapartyslogans.com
I would say that the left and their puppets like Lgm can’t stand the tea parties because they want to silence any resistance. Period.
While I’m not opposed to the tea parties (I love the idea) I just don’t know what good they’ll do. So many politicians and Americans have parted with their principles and even their souls for any slice of power, influence, or freebies they can get. To be onerously taxed (to Lgm what’s a few percentage points?) so that people cannot have any real wealth or control over their money is not right. Responsible taxes are fine but taxes without explanation, reason, or justification don’t make sense.
These tea parties are more than just about taxes. They’re a movement of people who feel like they don’t recognize their country anymore, under any administration. They’re a movement of people who feel like they work hard, yet the State just takes more and more of their rights away, such as where you can smoke, how to raise your kids, what to eat, and how to educate your kids.
How would a person like Lgm, ILMC, or even Chaps respond to someone like me who feels like they have no future (even though their husband is in the military and have multiple degrees) and who has the following concerns:
1. Why bother having children? The State will just tell me how to raise and educate them according to their rules. I’m 33 but I don’t want to give my child a tax burden or a future that will just make them a slave to the State. I don’t want to see them indoctrinated (and I’ve both done it and seen it happen as a teacher) just so that they become another useful idiot like Lgm.
2. Why bother owning a home? You take out a mortgage where, in essence, you’re paying rent (as I’m doing now on my rental home). I’m already seeing in the community I live in where the elderly can’t pay their property taxes of the homes they’ve owned for years. People have preached to my husband and I how home ownership is a blessing but when the government (both local and state) just imposes taxes on you or you lose your home, what’s the point? Why go through that?
3. Why buy a car? I have a vehicle now that I plan on holding on to but the State of VA thinks it’s fair/right to charge peronal property taxes on it just for revenue for some state budget that is either being mismanaged or diverted to a project that one can’t track.
4. Why work so hard when you’re just going to pay income taxes, and fund somebody else’s retirement and healthcare like SS and Medicaid/Medicare? It has always been a goal of mine to acquire wealth and be successful yet at any tax rate (and I’ve only ever earned just under 25K) you’re being penalized so that those who didn’t work so hard get to live off that hard work.
5. Why bother accumulating wealth to give to your family when the State/government will tax you when you die? One of my first jobs was at a brokerage firm where I had to explain to a deceased client’s family how the state of NY and the federal government taxed their loved one’s demise and how much those assets were worth before and after the taxation. That was an eye-opening experience for a 22 year old woman whose goal was to be financially secure.
The government, politicians, and even fellow Americans don’t want you to be secure. They begrudge your success and accomplishments which was something I never learned in high school and college.
This isn’t the America I was born in to in the 1970′s. We’ve lost our way as a country and society and it’s okay with folks like Lgm, ILMC, even Chaps (who’s the more rational of the three) because their “political party” won. Yet, what did the US and her citizens get for that?
The American Dream has become the American Nightmare. If you think this country is any better for compromising one’s ideals and principles just look at our “one-party” system now. It’s a joke. We’re a joke. And the world knows it.
I wish the tea parties every success but they will be ignored because we’re just slaves to the lazy, the greedy, and the powerful. Organized protests will not change the mindset of a godless, ethically and morally challenged society.
You’re right. They are controlled by the majority. However, a minority group can subvert the influence of the majority, as has happened in this country.
You just summarized the effects of the “cultural terrorism” conducted by Marxists over the past century against the West.
And how was that war fought? To what did our founders appeal? A desire for religious freedom. A desire for rights to property and the freedom to do with it as they saw fit. A desire to raise our children as we wish. A desire for self-determination. A desire to live in a society with some semblance of morality. Though only about a third thought independence was the way to go, the vast majority wanted the above things, based upon their religious convictions, spurred on by their culture. These things no longer appeal to the majority of Americans. Here’s how the Marxists did it:
“A quiet revolution can be dispersed throughout a culture over a period of time to destroy it from within. Mass psychology and media can break the traditions, beliefs and morals and the will of a nation so there is no possibility of resistance.” ~ Antonio Gramsci
“Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society.” ~ Antonio Gramsci
send-me; you have fallen for the msm slant. read the poll. 53% want capitalism, but that doesn’t mean 47% who want socialism. in fact that number is below 30%. especially telling is who that group are, people under 30. can you say college kids and people who don’t make much and don’t pay taxes. as the age goes up, the capitalist group goes way up. just as our msm says things like there are as many whites in prison as blacks and latinos. but because two of those groups make up about 25% of the population combined, and one of that group makes up about 70% of that population, another way of saying the same thing is that blacks and latinos are about 5 times more likely to be in prison per population as whites. ditto with welfare. i know, i’m a racist, but i’m also factually correct.
More power to you. Are you willing to vote on principle, or will you [not "you specifically, but "conservatives" in general] sell out again to vote for anyone with the letter “R” next to his/her name?
Busted!
Thanks for checking in out for us, DesertLover! Confirmed it too.
emjem24 said:
Sure, you would say it. If we tie the hands of our secret police and let the tea parties go forward, who knows where it might lead — Republicans in congress, conservatives on TV! right wing huff’n'puffery on the web!
But seriously, the tea parties are a joke. You can’t be against taxes. You can’t decide which taxes are socialist and which are capitalist. You can’t pretend that the 35% to 39% is the difference between freedom and slavery. You can’t pretend that the Bush tax cuts made the economy soar and the Obama proposed hikes created our current problems. Hint: Remember when McCain “suspended” his campaign? The crisis was well underway then and Bush was President.
And they’re hardly spontaneous. They are promoted 24/7 on Fox news and are announced all over the MSM.
You mean your eyes don’t cross for a second when you see that only 53% want capitalism? 27% unsure?
So at what point are the 33% of kids going to learn that capitalism is better? Obviously the parents didn’t teach them. State-run education definitely had something to say about this, but it wasn’t in the capitalist’s favor. The MSM/cinema/culture tells them that businesses are bad and that government is the solution to all things.
But you’re right. I must have misread something.
Excellent point and one I keep pounding out. It is absolutely essential for conservatives to drop the Republican cause. Republicans can fend for themselves and we outnumber them by at least two to one. They are at war with us so let them stew in their own little meaningless world of standing for nothing.
So I’ll repeat my rant yet again for those heard it:
If you bemoan the 2006 and 2008 elections as conservative disasters, you just don’t get it. The Republican Party lost, we conservatives won! We still are the ones with the message and many motivated troops on the ground. What does the GOP have? Bipartisanship? Kumbaya? “We’re all in this together” bromides?
“Both” parties are hopelessly wedded to big government solutions for everything and every solution demands us to surrender yet another inch or foot of a constitutional right.
There is, in fact, only one party: the United Establishment Party and it is at war with working American voters.
That is the only way to snap that funk. Liberate your mind from the Republican party enablers and start thinking independently.
the taxes in this country are a great evil…they take money from people like me, and from our families, to support other people. this is not right, this is not just.
and what pecentage IS SLAVERY??? 50, 60? you know even in the days of slavery, a certain amount of the slave’s production went to feed, clothe, and shelter him…how much was it?
yeah I can because the bush tax cuts, actually cut taxes on the productive people, encouraging them to work more, so they could keep more of the fruit of their labor.
Obama’s tax ‘cuts’ are merely welfare for those who do not pay taxes anyway.
are you getting a clue here??
thats right, we just rent from the guvmint…its pathetic.
not even close…and it will never come back, I’m sorry.
yeah the government runs a ponzi scheme, like madoff did, but its OK when they do it…at the heart of it, is people wanting government to play God, to take care of them..so people abandon the real God, and embrace the government as ‘father’ to take care of all their needs…
These are your “idle speculations” not mine. And not well-informed but then much of what you say is ill-conceived or not grounded in REALITY. I’m sure that next you will assert that the IRS is never used to go after those they disagree with (through audits) or that NYS and Patterson haven’t tried to audit and go after “fantasy money” that Rush Limbaugh made, even though he hasn’t lived in the state, for years.
Yes, you can. You can be against aggregious and onerous taxation that taxes people to fund mismanaged/bankrupt programs. SS, medicaid/medicare, and Welfare are socialist. It’s been like that for a long time. The IRS is socialist. The difference between 35% and 39% is huge for businesses who rely on those in that tax bracket. You’re a “math teacher” that should make sense to you.
You can partisanly huff and puff and be a slave of the State (you sold your soul and principles a long time ago) but when people have more CONTROL of their money, they’ll SPEND it instead of what they’re doing now… cutting jobs, cutting hours, cutting pay, or just not buying ANYTHING. How does that help the economy?
Are you referring to the Tea Parties? So, is Fox News now organizing them? Is that why your panties are in a twist?
BTW, thanks for not answering any of my questions. Always expect the expected from you.
I plan on not buying a home or a car in the near future…. LIKE MANY OTHER PEOPLE. How’s that for financial justice? I guess that means one more union job is gone. If more people like myself decide NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN- who’s going to take care of your whitless a$$ in old age? Who’s going to attend your propaganda/indoctrination sessions?
Unfair/unjust and unaccountable taxation has unforeseen consequences for everyone- including you. When the State cuts your salary or fires you (if you don’t have tenure) what are you going to do then? Will taxation still make sense if you can’t pay the property taxes, along with the mortgage, for your house when you don’t have a job? What happens if you can’t pay the property taxes for your vehicle? Wouldn’t want to be you (well, I’m already glad I’m not you). Have fun participating in the Recession.
I’m not.
To finish this thought (before I had to stop and actually earn my keep!):
But with term limits firmly in place, war-hawk Democrats – if they really exist – have at least a chance to be heard and considered along w/ a host of other candidates, in Democrat primaries where the incumbent is term-limited out.
In essence, term limits equal new ideas and approaches.
Well, I see Karl Rove is having a busy day e-mailing his favorite plant more foment inspiring talking points.
Why not? Your talking points seem determined to deny the fact that President Bush’s tax cuts created the greatest number of employed Americans in our history and an economy so undaunted and robust, that not even 9/11 and two wars could derail it – it took Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to do that (abetted by Franklin Raines of course!) – while remaining oblivious to the mounting evidence (for sources, just read the WSJ, FT, Bloomberg or even the NYT’s Krugman!) that Obama is driving this nation into poverty.
Check out Andrew Sullivan’s blog. He rips apart the hypocrisy of this tea party. Where were all these folks in last 8 years? but Malkin is a shameless hypocrite anyway…link
I just hope God save the true conservatism from dirty folks like Malkin so that I can proudly vote for GOP sometime in future.
Do you really, and I mean really, think anyone in this country is going to care under whose watch this mess started once unemployment reaches ten percent later this year? Really?
People will be too concerned with feeding their families and keeping a roof over their heads to find time to look back in blame at an administration in charge of an economy w/ less than 6% unemployment as late as 2008!
What they will be doing, however, is looking to the current administration and wanting to know what they are – and aren’t – doing to alleviate their problems.
As unemployment rises, the days of blaming Bush ad hoc, grow fewer.
he’s a nut-case. and bush is a piker on spending compared to obama.
newsflash: conservatives were not happy with bush spending either..
Oooh, Glenn Beck isn’t a strong selling point in my book, that guy is a nutter.
I abhor Obama’s out of control spending agenda, and the inevitable taxes it will lead to, but if to protest it I have to lay down with the likes of Glenn Beck, I’ll opt instead to send letters expressing my outrage to my elected officials.
To those who think that the Tea Parties are nothing but a waste of time: Do you think that the first Tea Party (that little get together in the 1770′s)was a waste of time? Surely England and the King wouldn’t pay attention to a small group of American’s dressed up like Indians…
– right4life
Ain’t that the truth. I recall literally dozens of topics on just this single ‘blog dedicated to the outrage felt over Bush’s spending.
Andrew Sullivan’s arguments seem almost to imply that it’s ok for Obama to do something bad, as long as Bush did it first. . .a totally inane argument on its face.
thats what the left does when it cannot defend its policies..which is never, it diverts attention…you have to be a flim flam man to be a lib..
One really PLUS side of the tea parties…you can talk with people of like mind and values face-to-face and perhaps say things you wouldn’t be able to put in writing on the internet. Word of mouth is safer, more private, and can’t be misinterpreted as easily. I’m just saying…