Pirates seize U.S.-owned, Italy flagged tugboat
As the US Navy in on scene working to resolve one pirate/hostage standoff, another has apparently developed:
NAIROBI, April 11 (Reuters) – Pirates seized a U.S.-owned and Italian-flagged tugboat with 16 crew on Saturday in the latest hijacking in the busy Gulf of Aden waterway, a regional maritime group said.
Andrew Mwangura, of the Mombasa-based East African Seafarers’ Assistance Programme, said the crew were believed to be unharmed on the tugboat, which he added was operated from the United Arab Emirates.
Click the link for updates as the story develops.
How long will it take Hillary to laugh at this one?
Update:
Drudge is running this picture that reportedly shows the “pirates” and their hostages on the tugboat:
Can we just start calling them “terrorists” now? I don’t recall anybody using the term “pirates” to describe the four animals who boarded the Achille Lauro in 1985 and tossed a disabled American named Leon Klinghoffer overboard.
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Everything will be OK, Obama is getting a huge team of lawyers ready.
Oh oh, maybe the pirates will set up a court and rule piracy legal!
Drudge/ developing
Maybe FOOGAS…?
(I know…it’s illegal…SIGH)
I was just watching the ship, minus its captain, pull into Kenya (you know, Obama’s birthplace). They interviewed one of the crew and he said that the pirates got on the ship by way of the ladder on the side. So, if they removed the friggin ladder, the pirates could not board…is that right? The ship is way up high and the little boats of pirates are way down in the water. It they have no way to board the ship, problem solved. So just have ladders that can be hoisted up when the ship has set sail. Is this just too obvious a solution? What am I missing here???
No, Scrappy…
The pirates BRING their ladders, ropes, grappling hooks, etc.
I think this bothers me more than anything else right now. While our country is in deep peril from enemies both outside and within, he is treating the WH like his own personal party place. He seems to be having quite a bit of fun at our expense, literally and figuratively! I haven’t seen him deal with any real issues since he came on board. He talks a big talk (with the help of TOTUS) and says absolutely nothing. He is a fraud and more people every day are finding that out.
But how do they get them up there? Can’t the crew just make sure the ladders are destroyed or dumped before anyone can board? I know I can’t see the whole picture, but there has to be some way to stop these terrorists. How about some kind of devices on the side that would automatically activate when someone tries to board…like electric shocks or something. Some kind of invisible electric fence, like they are using on the border? We are supposed to be so innovative and entrepreneurial…someone should be able to come up with some ideas. We landed on the moon for cripe sake!!
They’re called AR-15s and the weenies running our goverment want to take them away. I realize that in some ports of call they don’t want armed crews, but if I owned the ship they’d be somewhere…
I’m no expert, but I’d tell them I was going to shoot two guys, then shoot them. There would be a reaction and threats, but they would realize that keeping the Captain alive is their only chance. A leader would emerge who wants to talk. Every 5 minutes I’d shoot another guy…while making the same offer – let him go, you live. But I’m no Harvard grad in magazine editing.
Not an expert here…
I suppose it has a lot to do with the threat to fire RPGs at the bridge…coupled with the fact that a lot of what ships carry does not accommodate explosions well.
Most modern vessels are crewed by a remarkably few personnel, being highly automated.
Shipping is remarkably competitive, and they don’t invest in invisible shields, electric fences and the like. (That is not as smart-asped as it might sound…just saying that shipping companies would not find that cost-effective…except when they do).
That’s not as crazy as it sounds. Had they done that when John O’Neil and Richard Clark had the 9/11 terrorists in their crosshairs, the WTC would still be standing. Instead, Bush deprioritized the fight on terrorism, demoted Clark and O’Neil retired to take over security of the WTC where he died.
Turns out that law enforcement IS the most effective tool against terrorism. Of course, we don’t enforce laws anymore in this country.
We look totally impotent with our warship sitting there while these ragged looking beggars sail around without punishment.
Way to go Team Obama.
Look for a domestic “incident” in the next few days. This administration has used harsher language on Rush Limbaugh than these pukes.
Bull spit. Pure and unadulterated.
Rags …
Beat me to it … I agree … Clark and O’Neil were stopped from taking action by Billy Boy … not by Bush … the fact they were replaced after being initially held over from the Clinton administration had nothing to do with 9/11 …
I think Phil needs to pour another glass of kool-aid and go back to reading the propaganda BS in Clark’s book … which is most likely where that viewpoint came from …
Yes indeed it was White Trash Billy who really dropped the ball. But I have not been impressed by any leadership in the last 20 years–weaklings, perverts and street hustler/Community Organizers do not inspire.
DesertLover:
OK, here’s what you have to believe to believe what Phil “thinks”…
O’Neil…hero that he was…WILLINGLY goes to work in the very buildings he knows have been targeted for destruction…rather than try to defend them in some effective way.
You would have to find the man suicidal, careless, and stupid. I think he was none of the three.
Rags … B I N G O … and Clark’s rantings and BS has been refuted and to be provably false as well as being shown to be a totally personal and vengeful attack on everyone he worked with in both administrations … just that the only stuff you see in the MSM is the Bush associated items …
Now now DesertLover, be fair.. This is a new immigration program conceived by the Obama’s.. It works like this:
HiJack a ship, get arrested, go to court in NY, face a liberal judge who will blame it on your deprived Somali childhood, get citizenship & a check to start a new life out of it? Now you aren’t anti-immigration are you DesertLover? What’s wrong with you?
/sarc off
Dan Lee …
Gee … what could I have possibly been thinking … DUH ! ! ! …
You silver-tongued devil you! I guess that’s telling me! Can we conclude from your brilliant analysis that you are not in law enforcement?
And THIS, folks – is the mentality that put an inept, unqualified, and outright Communist in our White House.
Congratulations, Amerika. It was nice knowing you.
No, you may conclude nothing along those lines. To do so would be to commit the cardinal error of…like you…making conclusions either without data or against data.
I noted you elected to ignore my subsequent remarks on Mr. O’Neil.
Odd…
Rags … not ODD … TYPICAL …
At this point, these pirates are assuming that even if they get no ransom money, they can negotiate a safe return to Somali upon release. Under threat of military attack, we may now be putting the Somalian government in the position of having to denying the pirates save haven and also openly cooperate in capturing them and many others. These pirates may soon find themselves trapped on open sea with nowhere to go.
I am all for using force to end this and wish it had been done already but there may yet develop a better solution. Somalia is, after all, occupied by Ethiopian forces and we are already involved in that struggle. Legitimizing a real Somalian government would go a long way in getting the international community behind freeing them from the Ethiopians.
The point is that there is much more going on here than a few pirates trapped with a hostage in a dinghy. I would rather that we arrested hundreds of these pirates with Somalian government cooperation or failing that, destroy their camps, land facilities and mother ship under established international law. Filing charges is part of that. We really could end up arresting hundreds of homeless pirates.
How about an Captain with the balls to exercise the absolute authority of a ships captain to protect his vessel and crew by blowing those bastards out of the water by saying they pointed weapon and RPG’s at his ship. Is Zero going to fire him for using the longstanding authority given the Captain of a ship of the line?
Vice Cap’n JoJo always said that Obie would be tested early in his term… looks like that’s happening now… and he’s being outflanked by **PIRATES** !!!!
… Obie’s secret weapon… a “ticking” crocodile ???
Note to Hillary… only Israelites are “terrorists”… Muslims are “jus misbehavin”… having a “bad hair day”… you can relate to the Hillary, can’t you?
‘Nother Note to Hillary:
Remember the theme song from M.A.S.H.-Suicide is Painless
Your cackle isn’t
Raggy, desert: Oh yeah I forgot, any explanation does not select “facts” that exonerate the Bush version is wrong.
You guys are paranoid partisans. I don’t care about the partisan arguments. To argue that O’Neil and Clark being Clinton holdovers undercuts their credibility is no different than Democrats arguing that General Gates is a right-wing nut because he is a Bush holdover.
To further argue that O’Neil’s accepting that job in the WTC certifies him as insane puts him in the same class as that stupid Maersk captain who willingly offered himself as a hostage. Is that what you guys are saying?
I really don’t have any interest in continuing this argument. You guys are bonkers.
I say give those ba$tard’s home base the Barataria treatment and just flatten it.
all the military and police actions discussed here and all over the world, need 1 thing for any on them to work, it’s called a leader with a backbone… seriously wonder if Obozo realizes what a fool the rest of the world are taking him for. He has been pampered all his life, he never would have made in on the streets of Chicago or another large city, he’s a whimp.
The left should be glad someone like me is not in charge. We wouldn’t have a pirate problem…nor an illegal immigrant problem. Until someone (us) decides that enough is enough, we will continue to have simple solutions ignored. Friends do not attack us, nor stand idly by as other do. Neither do they put us in a position where we are forced to take unpopular, lethal action.
I would rather have third world countries, and some so-called friends, fear us, rather than like us. Respect comes in many forms, as doesn’t disrespect.
You figure it out.
Room for them in Boston’s Public Housing projects or do the Kenyans have it book solid?
Wrong! That photo was of the yacht that French forces recaptured.
Minor point- the photo above is NOT the hijacked Italian/Amwrican tug boat, it’s the French yacht that was hijacked by pirates then retaken by French commandoes, resulting in the death of one of the hostages.
On April 11th, 2009 at 2:06 pm, happyscrapper said:
So, if they removed the friggin ladder, the pirates could not board…is that right? The ship is way up high and the little boats of pirates are way down in the water. It they have no way to board the ship, problem solved. So just have ladders that can be hoisted up when the ship has set sail. Is this just too obvious a solution? What am I missing here???
Happy,
What you are missing is that the pirates weapons of choice are AK-47s and RPGs. An RPG can go through four inch armor. Most ships has only half inch thick hulls. An RPG aimed at the waterline can tear a hole three feet wide and can sink a container ship. Removing the ship’s ladder does no good.RPG are very effective at stopping super tankers with billion dollar crude oil in its holds not to mention the environmental impact when the oil is spilled into the sea.
About time they got a clue. The writing was all over the freaking wall with this idiot.
Dumba$$ Voters 08′
That should read American/Italian tug.
And what has this world come to when the French military shows more backbone than the American President?
So, who thinks Russia or North Korea or China would would so openly ramping up their military if Bush were still in office?
I get the impression that while the world is patting the Usurper in Chief on the back, they are giggling at him behind his back and making all kinds of plans. No reason to fear us now.
When are the pacifists going to learn that for some people in this world, FEAR is the ONLY deterrent?
Right-on – I just scrolled up and saw your post. We’re thinking alike.
O.K. then…scratch that! I never said I was a genius! Ha!
Didn’t one of the British papers call ‘Bambi a pantywaist or some such limp-wristed description? Rather than worry about a ship taken hostage with 4 holding the ships captain, he’s now getting all worked up about Somalia and the Ethiopians and the recruiting on our shores for fighters to go there and it’s eventual impact on us here. It’s so simple – don’t let them back into the U.S. if they’ve traveled anywhere in that part of the world! If their families raise a stink, ask them to leave as well. But, address the crisis you’re facing now, not a what if….
Molly Henneberg(sp?) on Fox News some hours ago.
Forgot to add, wasn’t one of the things ‘Bambi used on the campaign trail was that he could do more than one thing at a time? Nevermind, he’s still campaigning.
But…
nobody ever made any such argument.
Those straw men are always such pushovers…
Too bad the real thing is such a handful for the likes of you.
Clark has no credibility because he has been caught in so many lies,
not because of his affiliation with any administration.
Sort of like certain posters here…
I think there is some confusion about the damage an RPG causes.
They can hole armor. It is a nice, small hole…not a 3 ft. blast crater.
Shaped charges are effective because they concentrate the chemical energy of the explosive in a very tight, focused jet of gas. That is why you defeat them by making them explode slightly too far from the armor. (See the cages used on American fighting vehicles now).
But, having an RPG detonate against the wheelhouse of a merchantman WILL ruin your day if you are one of the guys inside.
Any ship that gets hijacked by Somali pirates deserve it. They have been told where to go to avoid this from happening but instead they rather act like lemmings and follow each other to their doom.
I cannot feel sorry for stupidity.
Let the market decide. If a port bans armed ships, then the shipper would be allowed to choose not to sail into that port. The problem is the UN taking the guns away from the good guys.
Pasadena Phil…Clinton was the b/tard who “deprioritized” the fight against terrorism. Bush was lazy, he didn’t even mess with the FBI when he was elected and O’Neil’s fight with that agency was an internal one that he lost after many Clinton YEARS of strife …no Bush influence there.
Clark is a bloviating hack leftard.
duh1 isn’t even operating at Clinton or Carter levels of competence. This will end badly.
But if loot and ransom are the goals, isn’t sinking the ships counter productive?
Remember WWII raider ships? The nations interested, get some ship, false flag it, rename it, arm to the teeth with hidden weapons then sail it into pirate waters……they’ll wonder when the next one will appear after the first one kills every pirate in the water.
The FBI has seized the American Flagged ship and is holding it as a crime scene– gutless SOBs. What now, a summons to court,bail, court appointed lawyers?
Damn the Democrats to hell. I am still flying the Gadsden–Old Glory is retired for the current emergency.
Must be some sort of a record. No terror attacks for 7 years under Bush, and now two terror attacks, sorry man caused disasters, in less than 3 months with Obama.
I wonder what the future holds for the USA and our naive president.
On April 11th, 2009 at 4:35 pm,
A decoy ship! What a great idea!! I love it. We need to send that idea out to…oh, wait. Everyone in DC is stupid. Who can we get the idea to? The libs will just tell us that we have no right to fool “innocent” criminals like that. It’s not playing fair.
They can hole armor. It is a nice, small hole…not a 3 ft. blast crater.
Yes Happy, nice hole due to the density and composition of the armor. Hulls of ships are not armor quality. It will open up un-armored ship like a can of sardines.
MarcoPolo:
Yes it is counterproductive in the pirates perspective, they sink the ship, they get didley squat. If you are the owner of the ship, its cheaper to pay up rather than loose millions or even billion $$ worth of commodities or even the lives of the crew. Its really a crappy situation.
Couple of comments.
1. Reuters is now saying the tugboat taken this AM is not US owned – it was recently sold. http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LB80287.htm
2. According to several people on HotAir – the problem with arming ship personnel is that some ports won’t allow armed ships in, it’s illegal and big problem if violated. As a poster there pointed out, they’d have to have a stationary ship that collects arms on the way in port and then hands them back on the way out – sort of like a coat check I guess!
Zero missed his chance to be a hero when our US Navy sat there and watched the Captain try to save his own life and didn’t do anything to help.
WTF?
Totally agree.
Yes. The headline read:
Barack Obama: President Pantywaist – new surrender monkey on the block
Full article is HERE.
My guess is the Harvard genius didn’t have a range of options in place depending on the circumstances. And you’d hardly expect a Nanny-Statist to think someone might take the initiative on their own to do something about their predicament. So they wouldn’t have a contingency plan for individual intitiative.
Please tell me no iPods were injured in this little exchange.
That was my FIRST thought!
Gotta go with your instincts….!!!!
Actually, it reminded me of a line in a book I wrote a decade or two ago…
something about not finding a set of balls in a Congressional hearing room unless they had a pool table…
Our leader still has his panties in a bunch from all the bowing he did on his trip. We need leadership that will take command. Meanwhile, this can not be putting America in a good light in the world. What is he thinking?
This is so out of control. Don’t our military swear allegience to our Constitution before the POTUS? I mentioned this in a conversation last night and was told that the military has to obey an order. How about some mutiny?
Enough is enough, damnit.
The question is whether the US should act like the Russians did during the Beslan Hostage Massacre. Most accounts say that 31 of 32 terrorists were killed, but the cost was 10-12 Russian Soldiers and at least 335 of 1100 hostages killed.
An assault on the lifeboat could result in the death of the captain and the other hostages held.
On one hand, in this Terror war we have an obligation to protect those of ours who have been captured. On the other hand, these Terrorists are in it for the money, and don’t really look forward to being killed.
If you view it as a police action, then the police preserve the life of the innocent at all cost. If you view it as war, then some good people have to be sacrificed.
We have all been told of the extraordinary capabilities of the Navy SEALs.
What’s really going on?
I know this is long, forgive me but learn, please.
“Take, for example, the 1786 meeting in London of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the Tripolitan ambassador to Britain. As American ambassadors to France and Britain respectively, Jefferson and Adams met with Ambassador Adja to negotiate a peace treaty and protect the United States from the threat of Barbary piracy.
These future United States presidents questioned the ambassador as to why his government was so hostile to the new American republic even though America had done nothing to provoke any such animosity. Ambassador Adja answered them, as they reported to the Continental Congress, “that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise.”
Sound familiar?
The candor of that Tripolitan ambassador is admirable in its way, but it certainly foreshadows the equally forthright declarations of, say, the Shiite Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in the 1980s and the Sunni Osama bin Laden in the 1990s, not to mention the many pronouncements of their various minions, admirers, and followers. Note that America’s Barbary experience took place well before colonialism entered the lands of Islam, before there were any oil interests dragging the U.S. into the fray, and long before the founding of the state of Israel.
America became entangled in the Islamic world and was dragged into a war with the Barbary states simply because of the religious obligation within Islam to bring belief to those who do not share it. This is not something limited to “radical” or “fundamentalist” Muslims.
Which is not to say that such obligations lead inevitably to physical conflict, at least not in principle. After all peaceful proselytizing among various religious groups continues apace throughout the world, but within the teachings of Islam, and the history of Muslims, this is a well-established militant thread.
The Islamic basis for piracy in the Mediterranean was an old doctrine relating to the physical or armed jihad, or struggle.
To Muslims in the heyday of Barbary piracy, there were, at least in principle, only two forces at play in the world: the Dar al-Islam, or House of Islam, and the Dar al-Harb, or House of War. The House of Islam meant Muslim governance and the unrivaled authority of the sharia, Islam’s complex system of holy law. The House of War was simply everything that fell outside of the House of Islam — that area of the globe not under Muslim authority, where the infidel ruled. For Muslims, these two houses were perpetually at war — at least until mankind should finally embrace Allah and his teachings as revealed through his prophet, Mohammed.
The point of jihad is not to convert by force, but to remove the obstacles to the infidels’ conversion so that they shall either convert or become a dhimmi (a non-Muslim who accepts Islamic dominion) and pay the jizya, or poll tax. The goal is to bring all of the Dar al-Harb into the peace of the Dar al-Islam, and to eradicate unbelief. The Koran also promises rewards to those who fight in the jihad, plunder and glory in this world and the delights of paradise in the next.
Although the piratical activities of Barbary genuinely degenerated over the centuries from pure considerations of the glory of jihad to less grandiose visions of booty and state revenues, it is important to remember that the religious foundations of the institution of piracy remained central.
Even after it became commonplace for the pirate captains or their crew to be renegade Europeans, it was essential that these former Christians “turn Turk” and convert to Islam before they could be accorded the honor of engagement in al-jihad fil-bahr, the holy war at sea.
In fact, the peoples of Barbary continued to consider the pirates as holy warriors even after the Barbary rulers began to allow non-religious commitments to command their strategic use of piracy. The changes that the religious institution of piracy underwent were natural, if pathological. Just as the concept of jihad is invoked by Muslim terrorists today to legitimize suicide bombings of noncombatants for political gain, so too al-jihad fil-bahr, the holy war at sea, served as the cornerstone of the Barbary states’ interaction with Christendom.
In times of conflict, America tends to focus on personalities over ideas or movements, trying to play the man, not the board — as if capturing or killing Osama bin Laden, for example, would instantly end the present conflict. But such thinking loses sight of the fact that ideas have consequences. If one believes that God commands something, this belief is not likely to dissipate just because the person who elucidated it has been silenced. Islam, as a faith, is as essential a feature of the terrorist threat today as it was of the Barbary piracy over two centuries ago.
scituate_tgr #153
Thanks for the link – I’m trying to cook for tomorrow and keep up with world affairs, and failing at both! For a minute there I thought I was halucinating
Again, my advice to ‘Bambi:
Lead, Follow, or get out of the Way.
If there are any grownups left in the room, let them do their jobs.
While circumstantial I think the evidence is pointing to a White House that is tied in a Gordian Knot trying to answer every legal question about the propriety of “arresting” the pirates and how they can be tried. They are also trying to figure out how to save the Captain without hurting the feelings of the Muslim world.
Welcome Back Carter. In fact I would not be suprised if Obama is consulting Carter on this. He won’t ask Clinton or either Bush, because he too arrogant.
I am sure the Pentagon and Admiral Gortney are beyond frustrated.
I feel your frustration.
We also take an oath to follow the orders of those in authority over us. If it is a legal order you are duty bound to follow it, no matter how stupid you might think it is.
You have heard the term, “Keep the Faith?” Part of that means having
faith in those issuing the order.
No matter how frustrated you get, you follow legal orders from the Commander in Chief and the Command Authority. That is America’s strength. It is not a weakness.
BULLETIN:This just in…
Would someone please type in “Defend Americans’ in Obama’s teleprompter!
I heard on CNN earlier today two news commentators were complaining that Obama hasn’t issued a statement yet, and they wondered where the heck he was! This on CNN! Obama isn’t going to be able to fool the msm for much longer. Even they can’t cover for him forever. Where is he?? Why hasn’t he said anything? The guy is a total empty suit with no clue how to run a country. We got what others voted for…a completely ill-equiped, uninformed, doofus with no experience in anything.
Time to break out the Q-Ships again, and go look it up
Odopey and Bidumb
How special!
Don’t worry. Nothing to be concerned about. Barry has it all under control. Just BELIEVE in HOPE’NCHANGE, and all will be well.
All will be well. All will be well. All will be well.
President Barack O’Bunghole. Period.
You just have to know, Obama is going to start filling up GITMO with captured pirates. That will show them.
The new version is staffed with Acorn rather than heavily armed, and they will be offering low interest loans on defaulted real estate and in-state tuition to pirates everywhere – as long as they vote Democrat.
No, no, no – they won’t be filling Gitmo. They will be staging there – a hot shower, good meal, hurling feces and insults at the staff – before getting the free homes and in-state tuiton mentioned above.
This will continue because it is probably viewed by Comrade Obama as redistribution of wealth for a poor third world muslim nation.
I hope he fails! The marxist/liberals do not believe in armys and navys. They believe in lawyers. We heard the mantra that Bush was wrong and was trying to strip everyone of theri civil liberties.
Well, now we see how the lawyers handle Bagram and the pirates. It doesn’t work out so well, does it? I guess there has always been a reason for a navy and for the traditional laws and punishments for piracy.
Do you see how it works? The lawyers have us all by the —–. They write the international laws so we are all war criminals if we decide to defend ourselves. Then the lawyers in Spain try us for war crimes, with a hateful world court full of lawyers backing them up.
The cost of this CF has to be getting to the order of the bonus’. Where is the outcry here. Oh I know, the lawyers will get you for hate speech if you advocate grabbing the pirates and immediatly hanging them.
captain freed (and more good news!)
CNN: Captain Freed
MSNBC: Captain Freed
FOX: Captain Rescued
Freed implies the pirates let him go.
He was RESCUED!
May it be so….