Confirmed: The Obama DHS hit job on conservatives is real
Yesterday, Roger Hedgecock and the Liberty Papers posted an unclassified DHS Office of Intelligence and Analysis report titled:
Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment.
The “report” (PDF file here) was one of the most embarrassingly shoddy pieces of propaganda I’d ever read out of DHS. I couldn’t believe it was real.
I spent the day chasing down DHS spokespeople, who have been tied up preparing for a very important homeland security event later today: The First Lady is coming to visit their Washington office. Priorities, you know.
Well, the press office got back to me and verified that the document is indeed for real.
They were very defensive — preemptively so — in asserting that it was not a politicized document and that DHS had done reports on “leftwing extremism” in the past. I have covered DHS for many years and am quite familiar with past assessments they and the FBI have done on animal rights terrorists and environmental terrorists. But those past reports have always been very specific in identifying the exact groups, causes, and targets of domestic terrorism, i.e., the ALF, ELF, and Stop Huntingdon wackos who have engaged in physical harassment, arson, vandalism, and worse against pharmaceutical companies, farms, labs, and university researchers.
By contrast, the piece of crap report issued on April 7 is a sweeping indictment of conservatives. And the intent is clear. As the two spokespeople I talked with on the phone today made clear: They both pinpointed the recent “economic downturn” and the “general state of the economy” for stoking “rightwing extremism.” One of the spokespeople said he was told that the report has been in the works for a year. My b.s. detector went off the chart, and yours will, too, if you read through the entire report — which asserts with no evidence that an unquantified “resurgence in rightwing extremist recruitment and radicalizations activity” is due to home foreclosures, job losses, and…the historical presidential election.
In Obama land, there are no coincidences. It is no coincidence that this report echoes Tea Party-bashing left-wing blogs (check this one out comparing the Tea Party movement to the Weather Underground!) and demonizes the very Americans who will be protesting in the thousands on Wednesday for the nationwide Tax Day Tea Party.
From the report, p.2:
Rightwing extremism in the United States can be broadly divided into those groups, movements, and adherents that are primarily hate-oriented (based on hatred of particular religious, racial or ethnic groups), and those that are mainly antigovernment, rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority, or rejecting government authority entirely. It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single issue, such as opposition to abortion or immigration.
From the report. p. 3:
(U//LES) Rightwing extremists are harnessing this historical election as a recruitment tool. Many rightwing extremists are antagonistic toward the new presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearms ownership and use. Rightwing extremists are increasingly galvanized by these concerns and leverage them as drivers for recruitment. From the 2008 election timeframe to the present, rightwing extremists have capitalized on related racial and political prejudices in expanded propaganda campaigns, thereby reaching out to a wider audience of potential sympathizers.
(U) Exploiting Economic Downturn
(U//FOUO) Rightwing extremist chatter on the Internet continues to focus on the economy, the perceived loss of U.S. jobs in the manufacturing and construction sectors, and home foreclosures. Anti-Semitic extremists attribute these losses to a deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish “financial elites.” These “accusatory” tactics are employed to draw new recruits into rightwing extremist groups and further radicalize those already subscribing to extremist beliefs. DHS/I&A assesses this trend is likely to accelerate if the economy is perceived to worsen.
From the report, p. 5:
(U//FOUO) Over the past five years, various rightwing extremists, including militias and white supremacists, have adopted the immigration issue as a call to action, rallying point,
and recruiting tool. Debates over appropriate immigration levels and enforcement policy generally fall within the realm of protected political speech under the First Amendment, but in some cases, anti-immigration or strident pro-enforcement fervor has been directed against specific groups and has the potential to turn violent.
And echoing the anti-military bigotry last seen in that disgusting Penn State University training video, there’s this on p. 7:
(U) Disgruntled Military Veterans
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A assesses that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to exploit their skills and knowledge derived from military training and combat. These skills and knowledge have the potential to boost the capabilities of extremists—including lone wolves or small terrorist cells—to carry out violence. The willingness of a small percentage of military personnel to join extremist groups during the 1990s because they were disgruntled, disillusioned, or suffering from the psychological effects of war is being replicated today.
There’s no hackneyed left-wing stereotype of conservatives left behind in this DHS intelligence and analysis assessment. I asked both DHS spokespeople to tell me who, specifically, the report was accusing of “rightwing extremist chatter” and which “antigovernment” groups are being monitored as “extremists.” They say they’ll get back to me.
In the meantime, be aware of this from the report, p. 8:
(U//FOUO) DHS/I&A will be working with its state and local partners over the next several months to ascertain with greater regional specificity the rise in rightwing extremist activity in the United States, with a particular emphasis on the political, economic, and social factors that drive rightwing extremist radicalization.
Better make a few last-minute signs for the Tea Party. Obama’s DHS is watching:
Honk if you’re a radicalized rightwing extremist!
Guilty of rightwing extremist chatter
Anti-government, pro-freedom: Sue me
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Previous: Missouri retracts report linking militias, 3rd party candidates.
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Oh, I’m sure DHS will be issuing its report on self-proclaimed bank terrorists like Bruce Marks of NACA and criminal rackeeters harassing private citizens in their homes to “exploit the economic downturn” any day now.
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Update: John Hinderaker weighs in the report.
Also good reading in Jonah Goldberg’s thread here.
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On April 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am, JT said:
Correct.
Read the full piece that MM linked to.
On April 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am, Danceswithdachshunds said:
I have noticed the same, off and on, yesterday and today.
Everything is fine right now, but something has been odd. I don’t know if it’s a DOS attack or something else.
Oh my.
Alot of comments here, I must have missed something interesting. I am not sure what it is but I probably agree with Chap.
Did anyone mention Hitler yet? That is, other than me right now.
Just for You, UnderRoos:
On April 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am, Tazed and Confused said:
Chavez’s Venezuela: Obama and Ayers
And this UnderThinker:
I had Uncles that served in WW1 – and they were Italian Immigrants that loved the day that they became citizens and were able to fight for this country.
I have an Uncle I never knew whose bones are somewhere in Burma.
I had a grandfather that served in the marines in WW2, A grandmother that assembled B17’s, my mother worked at a Tank plant in WW2 and later served in the military.
My Father ran away from his home a 15, served in late WW2 then Korea and Vietnam.
My brother was in the military as well as 2 of my sisters.
My daughter served in Afghanistan Twice.
I was in the military from 71 to 76 – I did my thing, which I do not talk about.
I also remember how we all were treated when we came back to the USA. I left and worked overseas for 20 years of my life on the first line of defense for this country, it was my contribution to something bigger than my self.
I will bet that a lot of Vets have the same family background and this is the largest brotherhood that I know of. Now we and those like us are being regulated to being called extremists? Or we may assist right wing extremists? We all swore an oath to defend the Constitution and we are witnessing the complete disregard and destruction of that document? I am in complete disgust, more so than ever, of the Liberal mindset, their ilk and the associated lap dogs that seem to think they can get away with this.
Ahh yes. #158, #206, and #225.
Godwin’s law is fulfilled. I am going back to work.
On April 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am, twofoot said
Bravo! And thank you!
Hoooah. Glad to see you are still serving.
She was the worst governor of Arizona in history. In addition, she is also a…….
Funny, I’ve never seen her and Janet Reno in the same room together.
This should not intimidate conservatives. If anything, this should embolden them.
While it’s not news that Barack Obama hates conservatives, for us to bend over and take this would be patently foolish.
Is it any surprise that Americans are organizing against this sorry-@$$ excuse for an “administration”?
RWR
ww.rightwingrocker.com
Hmm. Are there any pictures of politicians taking their oath of office that show what the fingers on their left hands are doing?
Maybe they are swearing to support and defend the Constitution of the You Knighted States. It’s obviously not the same one we swore to defend.
I tried to log on MM this morning and couldn’t. I had just been on to write my opinions on this thread. I had feared that Rahm had stepped in and shut her down… How will we know when it really happens? Who will get the word out that this “extremist” voice has been shut down! It’s my opinion, but they will be coming for you Michelle and probably me as well.
Flyoverman said:
Hoooah. Glad to see you are still serving.
You bet — I took an oath, like giving your word to someone – you don’t break it. In my world anyway.
Rush, Laura, Sean and the rest need to reserve their frequencies now so that I can tune in on my shortwave huddled in the basement when they are forced to transmit from a barge anchored outside the territorial waters!
I am your typical right-wing extremist and I am dangerous. Watch out for me! I am a white-haired grandmother of 2 (almost 3), 5 Ft. 3″ tall, slightly overweight, but working on it. I go to church most Sundays and sometimes even in the middle of the week! Beware…I might try something seriously unpatriotic, like demonstrate against ILLEGAL immigration, or insist my government actually uphold the Constitution and enforce our laws. If you see me trying to do that, be sure to get those cuffs on me before I can get a shot off. By shot, I mean a swift strategically located kick. You libs can kiss my old saggy a$$.
Roger that. It does not come with an expiration date.
On April 14th, 2009 at 11:53 am, JonB said:
It’s not the only road back. In fact, civil war is one of the two paths forward to Communist “Normalization” (the other being invasion from another country…not as likely as civil war).
Believe it or not, the road back is spiritual revival.
Ronald Reagan understood the antidote.
Yet you fail to dispute that Nichols and McVeigh were rightwing, anti-government extremists under a democratic president. So what if they had ties to Islamic Jihadists.(Assuming these allegations are even true). They hated the U.S. government more. As you conservatives like to defend Reagan’s arming of Muslim Jihadists during the 80s, “The enemy of your enemy is your friend”.
Now I eagerly await your thoughts on The Turner Diaries. Care to distance yourself from Eric Rudolph.
On April 14th, 2009 at 12:04 pm, NJ-Aviator said:
+1
You know, I’m not even halfway through this thing, and I’ve seen in it more paranoia about “the election of the first African-American president” than I can handle.
If Barack Obama’s race were the big issue with his being in office, he would have a lot more support from the Right. These people are clueless.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
What I’m going to say will probably either be ignored in the surrounding ire following the report, or possibly brand me as a troll. Either way, hold tight — I promise there’s Right wing outrage toward the end. =)
First, one has to really understand how these reports come about. What has happened here is that, in some meeting somewhere, someone voiced a concern about the rising protest activity on the “Right” side. And, to be honest, it’s a good concern to raise. This is not to say that we’re all about to support the overthrow of the government or other “violent action,” but there is significant unrest on one side of the aisle. Like it or not, there will be people who take advantage of said unrest — just think of the commenters whose racist or otherwise unacceptable remarks embarass us here. Thus, it’s entirely appropriate that someone should examine the threat. That someone was likely a GS-9 or GS-11 analyst with I&A.
Second, this is an unclassified version of the report. On page 2, it mentions other “disrupted plots,” which may or may not be classified. Depending on the experience level of the author, incorporating information from classified reports while scrubbing them can be incredibly difficult. If you can’t find a way to desensitize the information, then you have to leave it out. This could explain the total lack of evidence in this analysis.
Third, just as with the jihadis, any righty extremist groups out there will target people who are unhappy with their reality, and offer a way to reshape it. It’s the nature of radicalization. And, given the large number of unhappy people — if here, Hot Air, and other hangouts are any example — there are a lot of us out here. There’s the off-chance that someone *will* fall down that rabbit hole.
That being said, however, the policy analyst in me cringes when reading this. First and foremost, the methodology is shoddy, even for an UNCLASS version. Nowhere do they clearly define what a “rightwing group” is, nor do they ever define what they view as “radicalization.” The definition provided is vague and tars a large number of people and groups with a very wide brush. Evidence supporting their assertions is scant at best, bordering on non-existent. For parallels, they could have looked to Lindh, Gadahn, or any number of other *extreme* right wingers — i.e. fascist geeks. While this may not have supported their theory regarding previous military experience, it does provide an example of homegrown radicalization.
Second — and it may be wishful thinking — it seems to me that the analyst is having a hard time backing up his or her assertions: Could — should — might. They never nail anything down. Possibly because they’re hunting a snipe, but the terminology here weakens the entire assessment. To me, this points to a young idealist from either side of the aisle, someone with little real experience in writing an assessment, and someone with little life experience.
Third, I believe — and some folks here can correct me if I’m wrong — that the document is misclassified. As I recall, the document should be classified to the highest level of the paragraphs therein. There are several paragraphs marked (U//LES) — UNCLASSIFIED//LAW ENFORCEMENT SENSITIVE. Thus, the entire document — again, if I recall correctly — should be marked U//LES.
The Conservative in me also cringes, but for different reasons. Looking at the topics they’ve covered, it’s every one of the Conservative hot button issues, the things that we regularly rant and rave about online, as well as write our Congressmen and -women about. Thus, just because we vent, online or off, doesn’t mean we’re going to blow up a federal building in protest. We’re talking about sending *teabags*, FCOL.
And then there’s the comment about “rejecting federal authority in favor of state or local authority.” I think whoever wrote has never read the real definition of “federalism.” Or perhaps they’ve simply never understood the principle of subsidiarity. The whole idea behind our government system is to allow most issues to be resolved at the state and local levels, where the government and administrators better understand the needs of the citizens; it also lessens the burden on the federal government. Then again, when you’re talking about an Administration that wants healthcare for everyone, and is buying up large portions of private businesses, I guess it can be an honest mistake…
The former sailor in me can’t repeat in a “family” forum what I think of all the allusions to military personnel who are suddenly now becoming a threat. Are the nutjobs out there? Sure. But, again, this document uses some heavy tar and a really wide brush. Generalization is always a bad thing.
And then there’s the tin-foil hat side of me that is just wondering when they’re going to start tagging people with treason and sedition for speaking out. This report is just frakking creepy.
You need to think of the political spectrum not as a line that runs left to right with far left and far right, Communist and Nazi on either end.
Take the line and bend it into a circle so the ends meet at 12:00. That is reality. “Moderates” are at 6:00. The mainstream left and right are at 9:00 and 3:00. Far, far apart.
The closer you get to the extreme “right” or “left,” the more each philosophy starts to resemble the other. 12:00 is midnight and the intersection of tyranny. That’s why Pol Pot and Adolf Hitler thought the same way. That’s why Terry Nicols and Ramzi Yousef thought the same way. Peas in a pod.
Really? Greater than those homegrown Somalian jihadists from MN? Greater than the Lackawanna Six? Greater than Jamaat ul-Fuqra (the Islamberg network)?
If the Obama DHS is serious, then the question becomes “dangerous to what?” Not dangerous to America, but maybe dangerous to Obama’s plans for the dhimmification of America.
ScaryBiscuits:
Very well said. I especially chuckled a bit here:
All commenters should read ScaryBiscuits comment closely. I have little doubt that this commenter works in government (or has worked) and knows much about what he/she speaks of.
On April 14th, 2009 at 12:42 pm, NJ-Aviator said:
Agreed. And they work together.
We all know that no one read the entire “Democatic Socialist Stimulus” bill before they voted on it.
Now consider this: no one wrote the entire “Democatic Socialist Stimulus” bill in the short time they had to write it. The overwhelming majority of it was already writen, waiting for the right “crisis” to enable its passage without careful consideration.
Now consider this: the same is true of the Patriot Act. The overwhelming majority of it was already writen before 9/11.
I believe that there were Democatic Socialists in this country who knew the 9/11 plans in advance.
Try to disprove even a single one of the truths here:
A Different “9/11 Truth”
This is the essence of every left-wing idea ever presented.
People who threaten their plans to destroy everything our Founding Fathers fought and died for (along with the countless soldiers since) are “extremists” and a “threat”. Now we’re going to be called “un-American” simply because the threat to our country occupies the White House.
I hate to be coming back to this, but in this moment, I’m VERY glad John McCain did not get elected. His plans to ruin the country would never have had this kind of strong reaction form America-lovers like us. In fact, people on our side would have been easily silenced because the majority of his votes came from our side.
Obama can complain about racism all he wants. I voted for an African-American for president without kowtowing to the libs – and without bowing down to those who said McCain was an appropriate option when even they knew he wasn’t.
The backlash Mr. Obama is experiencing are the direct result of the things he promised during his campaign and the things he has done since January 20th. Americans are putting two and two together, and they’re doing it quickly. In this way, Obama has been one of the best things that has ever happened to this country. In the end, freedom will win. With McCain, the onslaught of fascist socialism would have continued to be slower, and the people might never have noticed.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
I saw our First Mother meeting with the DHS today. Isn’t that nice? One more reason to dislike her.
zeroangel:
I mentioned that because the document seems as though it was pieced together by an analyst who had little experience producing such a document. This was combined with the knowledge that most of the new hires I saw were coming in at the GS-11 level, with or without a decent MA or MS. It was all about who ya knew.
Or I could be wrong. It could merely be a comment on their education.
I guess the Left doesn’t have sole ownership of intellectual snobbery… *grin*
ScaryBiscuits:
In my experience, if one is coming on as a GS-11 there is (usually) a good reason for it. They must have some kind of formal technical training or experience and are in possession of skills that produce concrete results.
However, I also recognize that GS-11 is pretty much “entry-level” for folks with a college degree. GS-9 seems to be a bit less than entry-level. That is why I chuckled.
On April 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pm, Dexter Alarius said:
Maybe they were swearing to defend this Constitution.
Very good points. But the recruitment methods of the far right extremists prey on rightwingers that feel left behind and hopeless. They teach them that there are “others” to blame for all of their problems. They teach that extremism is the only answer.
You don’t have a job? It’s because of affirmative action and immigrants.
You’re a pro-life christian? The only answer is to bomb abortion clinics. Kill the doctors, nurses, and judges that oppose your movement.
You’re a proud gun owner. Democrats will take away your guns. Period.
Excellant point. The DHS is worried about the extreme right based on the 1990s and a struggling economy. The fears about your guns being taken away, and being denied the right to free speech, and Obama positioning himself for a dictatorship are grossly misplaced. We are talking about extremism here. History teaches us that these fears are justified.
Remember the Bush II years when the ultra-leftists were reliving the 60s-70s with their protest, rhetoric, and general Code Pinknesh. Well the ultra-rightists have the guns, and a belief that “god” is on their side. Bush II went 8 years without a domestic, homegrown attempt on his life. I doubt Obama is so lucky, but I’d like to be pleasantly surprised.
I’m not concerned or fearful about the rational, mainstream conservatives you type about. I think the DHS feels the same way. The fear is the angry, christian, pro-life, anti-government, irrational, violent, bigotted, EXTREMIST of the 90s times 10. The ones that are anxious for a bloodbath, evil, hopelessly irrational. The ones that hate minorities and non-christians. The ones that are ready and anxious to kill. If that ain’t you, you represent the overwhelming majority of rightwingers that have nothing to worry about. For the others, the rare ones that want death and destruction, some who frequent this blog. The DHS is watching, and I hope you they get you in time this time.
The descriptor is in the tone of the words being used Mr. chap. As someone who claims a law background, you tell me which one sounds nastier, extremist, or radical. BTW, you’re the one that characterized conservatives as extremists, not me, or MM.
Your cute, flippant sarcasm doesn’t go as far as it does on your home page, the huffington post. You would not be missed chap, if you were to just leave!
On April 14th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, rightwingrocker said:
Fake charges of racism are all part of the Socialists’ plan.
Obama Nation:
Using Racism In Order To Form A More Socialist Union
zeroangel:
That’s the theory, at any rate. But what I’ve discovered is that what looks good on paper, may or may not produce results in actuality. In a lot of cases, DHS was employing this “paper tiger.” Don’t get me wrong — they do have some really sharp people at DHS, but they’re definitely outnumbered. Far too often, the good candidates get snatched up elsewhere, while DHS sorts through the paperwork and internal politics.
I’ll temper this by saying that was my observation a few years ago, when DHS was rated by OPM as one of the worst agencies to work for. I’d like to think things have improved since then.
On April 14th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, undresiege said: #334
You are pathetic! Everything that you wrote in that crap you posted comes straight out of the liberl playbook. The only things that need changing, are dates, and places, everything else that you rant about fits the left, and a very minute minority of some on the right.
Who is the party that birthed the KKK again siege? Talk about violent….get clue.
SB, the citizen in me cringes at the thought that you are employed as a “policy analyst”.
ScaryBiscuits:
No doubt, I am not trying to take on the daunting task of defending all the GS-9′s and 11′s of the world *wink*.
I have never worked for DHS, but OPM’s word is good enough for me.
All I was saying is that, in my experience, GS-11′s (and 9′s) tend to be educated (or experienced) folks, but are often entry-level (for their education/training level). You get a whole gambit of quality as a result, that is why I chuckled.
As someone who has a law background, I will tell you they are pretty much synonyms, and were certainly meant as such. So shut up.
Your ignorance of logic defies logic. To say that there is right wing extremism (or radicalism, take your freaking pick) is not to say that all right wingers are radicals/extremists. This is very basic. I would not admit to not being able to follow this, I I were you.
It’s touching that left-wingers are suddenly pretending to be concerned about anti-government violence. You were all notably silent on this topic back when Ayers was being talked about.
You know, I’m not a conspiracy nut, but my “Spidey senses” went on full alert prior to the inauguration, because there were already rumblings of this sort of thing in the works. This goes way beyond Obama.
It seems the opposite of what is said is the actual truth when coming from the mouths of these neo-progressives in our government. For example; Full Transparency; Most Ethical; Bi-partisan; Your taxes won’t be raised, etc.
Does anyone else see a “rationalization for action” scenario being set up? The way this Assessment is written, reminds me of the way the Koran was written to control and legitimize action against the “unbelievers.” Don’t be surprised to find out in the months to come, that this administration has people monitoring conservative blogs, and gathering information about participants…to what purpose? I don’t want to contemplate that, but the mere thought of it is unsettling.
Amen!
The writer of this report was unable to follow it. Maybe you should tell him to shut up.
The National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP) AKA Nazi’s were socialists. Left-wing socialists who believed in an all powerful state and government control (not ownership) of industry. They were by no rational measure right-wing.
Either unable to follow or unable to articulate properly. Either way, I would have no problem seeing this report “shut up” or its equivalent (so long as rooster did the same).
Take the time to watch and educate yourself…
Videos of Tomas Schuman (Soviet defector Yuri Bezmenov)
The man understands the methods of the communists, and what he described in 1983 is being played out on an almost daily basis in 2009.
I work on the assumption that that’s happening already.
I’m late to this party, has anyone mentioned the anti prop 8 mob? are they on the list? You know those angry gays will stomp on your flower beds or something in a blinding tizzy of anti gov at the fed or local level?
there are some intern programs that require a 4-yr degree that start at a GS-7 and then progress to a GS-12 within 3 years. I know I was in one…I bought back my military time and then retired at a GS-12 step 10 after 8 years due to medical problems…and don’t ask how I got the step 10 for 8 years…lol
Still posing as the clever one? I think everybody here has your number by now.
Contrast that with the lefties who believe that animal rights, environmentalism, socialism, etc. is some noble purpose that they must force on the rest of us because we’re too stupid or uncaring to solve things ourselves. The fact is that the world is as Flyoverman says, the closer to 12, the scarier they are, regardless of which side.
However, the left has already shown us that they like to paint with a broad brush. Remember the assault weapons ban? That didn’t stop Oklahoma City or the WTC, did it? The point is that it was never intended to.
For the record, the worst thing that could happen is an assassination. He’d be held up as a person who would have done great things. I’d rather see him live to see his socialist agenda fail.
As far as misplaced fears about taking guns away and free speech, all Obama would have to do is publicly state that he will never sign a bill limiting gun ownership any more than it presently is and would do the same with any fairness doctrine, and fears would be allayed. Especially since the public statements of some of his appointees are seen as testing the waters.
BTW, it’s nice to see that you are trying to not be so insulting and confrontational.
Off topic, but very worthy project you might consider. Note the small flag in the hand at the top of the home page.
http://www.pocketflagproject.com/
I am sponsoring one set (300 flags) through our church and since our pastor is traveling to Iraq in July, we hope he can deliver them in person to a combat unit deployed there.
Good project for Boy Scout Troops, etc.
“We now return control of your televison set to you…”
tiredofit08:
Indeed, you are correct. I know one or two people that did the same thing.
John:
Of course, any possible “matyr” status is not the only reason at all why an assasination would be bad. Afterall, just the fact that an American President met a violent end is a bad thing in and of itself.
I really don’t think there’s space here to enumerate all of the reasons a presidential assassination would be bad. I was referring to the worst possible reason from an ideological standpoint. We need for the people to reject socialism because they see first hand that it’s bad. That way, it will be a long, long time before it’s tried again.
Nail, sorry I couldn’t make it to Rock Bottom. Too many things going on. Maybe next time
The recruiting methods you describe are effective on both extremes. They have always have been effective throughout history.
My objection to the DHS document is not political. My objection is it is too obtuse to be of any value and provides WAY to much lattitude for interpretation. Thus, it has no use to the boots on the ground non-political, professionals trying to keep the country safe.
It’s a lot like the intell before 9/11. The kernels of truth were buried in a pile of clutter. I blame no one for not seeing it. This DHS document is similar. As a threat assessment of what might be hiding out there on the extreme right it’s worthless, because their definition of the extreme right is so vague and so broad you cannot figure out where to even look.
If this DHS document came the U.S. Border Patrol it would read. “The most likely crossing points for illegal immigrants entering the U.S. from the South are located between the Southwest corner of California and the Southeast corner of New Mexico.” Well that narrows things down.
Spot on Flyover.
If you don’t think that Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs has totally jumped the shark and headed far-Left, then check out his take on the DHS “right-wing extremist” report, then compare that to Michelle Malkin’s and the author/attorneys at Powerline. According to Charles, they’re right-wing extremists.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/33364_About_That_DHS_Report_on_Right-Wing_Extremism
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/04/023329.php
Sometimes the most logical reason as for a document’s contents is the people who wrote it were simply lazy.
Since you are a law professional you have no doubt seen this in your discipline. Too often in the intell world everything gets piled into a bucket, rearranged, and regurgitated with little of no analysis.
That’s the impression I got reading portions of the DHS document.
Flyoverman has been respectful to me so I return the favor. For others, I typically hold a grudge, and will insult those those that insult me. For others, they’re boring, so who cares.
I’m fairly certain that Obama has stated he’s against the Fairness Doctrine. Regarding guns, he was in favor of Heller, and they’re really isn’t anything relevant to pontificate about right now.
I understand MM and others are in the business of fear mongering to generate traffic and revenue. I just think people should relax and live their lives until an issue arises to fight.(like Shamnesty was the time to fight) This chicken little crap is silly and dangerous in my eyes. The problem are the extremists. People like MM and Englishqueen like to expand the meaning of extremism to rev up the fear mongering and victimhood. I’m so glad that no matter who is in office, I’ve never acted, or lived like my livlihood or belief system was going to be squashed. It’s a pathetic existence, and for what? Life’s too short.
This will be blockquoted and somebody will make the phony equivalency between Obama, Stalin, and Hitler.
You won’t see me defending those people, but I don’t think we’ve seen a rise in eco-terrorism in the past six months. Violent terrorist on either end of the poltical spectrum should be stopped.
It’s just too bad partisan anger obscures perceptions of reality.
Most people are smarted than me and everyone else on this blog, because they don’t get sucked into crap like this thread. They’re happier people, and get a lot more accomplished. I like to see where people’s heads are at, and couldn’t resist the urge to join in this time. Oh well. MM knows better, but she’s in the business of show business. I just don’t want to see another Rudolph, McVeigh, or Nichols, and I’ve just seen this movie before.
chap,
I don’t see Pelousy, or Barney Crank shutting up, so I guess I will challenge idioten wie du wenn du dein schnautze auf machen!
Good points. I just don’t think 95-99% of the population has anything to worry about. I agree with the problems with how it’s written. I’ll leave now before things get repetitive, but have a great week.
Rogue Cheddar:
Are you in oregon?
Poway
I guess I could have asked, “Are you in Oregon?”
This has been my position all along.
Of course, I’ve voiced that often enough here that you already knew that.
RWR
http://www.rightwingrocker.com
Sh&t for brains, let me clue you in on something. The eco-terrorist have bought and paid for the dimocrap party for quite some time now. If they weren’t so entrenched in the liberl party run by the brain dead, we would have all sorts of violent behavior from your like-minded travelers.
What insane people on earth would put its own country’s natural resources off limits? Knowing that by doing this, the standrd of living will go down nd the price of nearly ll goods and services will be incresed for all!
Why are we unable to identify the author of this report?
I think it would go a long way in finding out why and for what purpose this was written.
We can speculate and come up with conspiracy theories but until we know who the author or authors are we are just shooting in the dark.
If this administration is as “transparent” as they claim, it shouldn’t take more than a reporter asking the simple question as “who wrote it”
http://www.dhs.gov/xutil/contactus.shtm
You too Underseige. I understand your point, but 5% of 306 million is still every 20th person; over 15 million people.
So I understand the concern people have. Also, has the Obama problem of saying totally opposite things about defense, the second amendment, etc. When you are not sure of where someone REALLY stands fear of the unknown is a powerful motivator.
So I am interested in how Obama reacts to the firestorm over this DHS document. His response to the response will tell us much.
Thanks for a civil discussion. I look forward to the next one.
You pack a lot of dishonesty into your posts, even by left-wing standards.
The intermittent responsiveness is because Michelle’s web traffic has been routed through Homeland Security and their proxy servers are overloaded at this time.
You IP has been logged.
Does this apply to the black
veterens? The hispanic veterens? Or just to White veterens…
THIS IS UNREAL… SHAME ON THEM…
Oh, haven’t you heard? With the all volunteer military minorities and the poor join because they can’t succeed in this unfair capitalist society. Obviously, non-poor whites only enlist to get weapons training for when they get out and join militias. /sarc…(I hope)
A policy statement of this type doesn’t get out of the building without review at every level, especially something as controversial as this is. Signed or not, this represents official administration policy and if some GS-9 or -11 released it on his own, even if it were possible, he’d be toast within hours. But I can understand why the Obama stooges would like to leave the impression that nobody in the administration even knew it had been released. Wiggle and squirm all they want, the document constitutes official administration policy, ergo the Obamessiah’s personal point of view.
A year and a half ago, some of these issues seemed relevant, and some did not. But it’s becoming clearer every day how relevant they all are. With just a little more support in the South Carolina and Texas primaries, he could have been our candidate, and quite possibly our President.
Instead we got an Obama Nation.
Possibly the most important issue that is not on that list is reforms to ensure the honesty of our elections and campaign contributions. It is quite possible that the 2008 elections were stolen via ACORN fraud and millions in illegal donations. If we don’t ensure honest elections in 2010 and 2012, we may never see honest elections again.
Is there absolute verification that the document is real……could it be “real” but just be “bait” for the right to get all worked up about?
Malkin,
Very good and necessary alarm against this DHS behavior…but why dint you raise this in last 8 years when Bush (or more so Cheney) tried to obtain similar power/snoop on whoever he didn’t like?
Andrew Sullivan ask the question in better manner for shameless hypocrites like you…(link)
Mental laziness is a common hobgoblin of liberals, although a strong case can be made that the “laziness” is really an avoidance mechanism: it typically expresses itself in “truth-but-not-the-whole-truth” dishonesty or in evidentiary cherry-picking.
In the present case, though, something that just occurred to me is that the “right-wing extremist” angle is really just an extension of another favorite lefty meme meant to avoid having to tackle conservative arguments:
“Conservatism = mental illness.”
If you’re already of a mind that someone who isn’t a liberal is by definition out of his mind (and therefore not worth debating), then it follows that it’s only one more short step from being a mentally disturbed conservative to becoming dangerously psychotic.
I am starting to believe this is all part of a grand scheme in the warmongering to get rid of the second amendment and strip us of our bill of rights.
The only things I am extreme about is snowboarding and skydiving.
The rest is just taking care of business.
“Sometimes, if your training is properly intense it will kill you. More often — much, much more often — it will save your life.”
Why Democrats Can’t Complain About the Tea Parties
So this means that if Hillary repeats her
screechspeech about having the right to criticize this (Bush) or any administration, she goes on a watch list somewhere, right? Heh.Mrs. Malkin to you, you ill-mannered twit.
Couldn’t one interpret this as an intentional vagueness, specifically designed to make most conservatives appear suspicious before local & state law enforcement?
A similar theme is starting to emerge on some talk shows about the tea parties – that the left will deliberately cause disruptions a la the Reichstag fire to give them protective cover to suspend civil liberties. I tend to be sceptical, but on the other hand nothing these people do surprises me anymore.
True story: I know a very wealthy and influential Christian capitalist who was being “lured” to a business meeting on the top floors of the WTC North Tower on 9/11/2001. He had committed to go, but then felt a very strong prompting from the Holy Spirit warning him not to go. So he backed out of the meeting and the people who wanted him there were extremely angry that he wasn’t coming.
If he had been there, he would have been killed. (No one survived on the floor he would have been on)
Coincidence? Perhaps. But it is also possible that someone with foreknowledge of the attack wanted him to be a victim of it.
Hillary Clinton claims the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy is real.
I claim the Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy is real.
That was definitely the aim of the Missouri document, and could very well be in this case also. The problem they’re going to have is that most law enforcement isn’t on their side, and I think the average cop is going to have a little problem with somebody watching his wife and kids because he has a McCain/Palin bumber sticker.
I hope you are all watching O’Reilly now
This is an obvious and ILLEGAL attempt to intimidate dissenting views regarding this Marxist’s attempts to overthrow our Constitution. Any other explanation is unacceptable to rational thinking Americans.
If you had doubts about coming out for tomorrow’s TEA parties, then hopefully, this roils your blood enough to make certain you attend.
The very idea of this effort is beyond deplorable and underestimates the intelligence of those fighting against him. Don’t, for a second, yield to this would-be dictator nor to his minions.
This sours the stomach, it’s so disgusting.
Doesn’t this leave Da Bama open for IMPEACHment? I believe it does!
*P-BO has assembled a fine Cabinet, including Janet Napolitano; That’s why I call them the Clown Cluster; P-BO and the Clown Cluster, now there’s a socialist/marxist gang for ya; The MSM still does investigative reporting on gangs don’t they?; Where’s Brian Ross when you need him?
Please get over yourself already. So, phone taps for terrorists were extended to your telephone. Okay, I see.
Lil’ Ole Andy is about as Republican as Obummer is a “moderate.” Chastising the hostess over something “imagined” is pointless and shows a blatant disrespect and an agenda you yourself are pushing. If you don’t think MM is doing a sufficient enough job, why don’t you start your own blog?
I’m sure you’ll be a scream and a hit with fakes like Andy Sullivan.
Does this mean Obama wants conservative Americans to fail?
Isn’t that un-American?
Is being an extremist a crime? If so, which crime is it? The Civil Rights Movement were extremists – willing to die for freedom but they were non-violent. Of course the Kennedys violated the civil rights of their members as well as numerous laws and were a great threat to our freedom.
We need to start filing FOIA requests to find out what the DHS is up to. I think Napolitano is likely violating the law and certainly comes across as a paranoid radical extremist. She will have to be watched carefully as she obviously despises the US Constitution. Has she started videotaping conservative rallies, conducting warrantless wiretapping of everyday Americans? Has she started breaking into the offices of the RNC yet? Does she have the FBI watching and filing reports of conservatives (except ultra-conservative Muslims who want to conduct jihad here)? Will she be asking librarians for the names of people checking out Ann Rynd books?
Re: the LGF nut: Thanks, but no thanks. That guy left the land of the sane a long time ago.