Another Republican booed by Tea Party protesters
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I reported in my column this week the news the Tea Party-bashing MSM doesn’t want to report: Republicans who supported the bailouts, the stimulus, and tax increases are in just as much hot water as Democrats. I told you that California GOP chairman Ron Nehring and GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger were booed in Sacramento and GOP Gov. Jon Huntsman was booed in Utah.
Now, see this.
At the Greenville SC Tea Party last night, via Palmetto Scoop, an estimated 3,000 people booed and heckled GOP Rep. Gresham Barrett, who supported both the trillion-dollar TARP and now supports the trillion-dollar porkulus package. The crowd blew air horns as he tried to speak. Do you think the politicians are getting the message yet? And do you think someone in the MSM might grow up, stop wallowing in sexual teabagging jokes, and report these newsworthy developments? The anger at reckless spenders in Washington is palpable, deep-seated, bipartisan, nationwide, and not going away:
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Update: From reader Michelle C.:
Hey Michelle,
I’m a big fan of your site. I noticed that your article about the Greenville tea party states that there were 3000 people there. I live in Greenville, and last night on the 6:00 news, when the party had just begun, WYFF stated that the crowd was around 5000 people. On the 11:00 news, WYFF stated that the police count was around 10,000 people for the tea party. I thought you might enjoy hearing how large the crowd really was.
Also, here’s the funny thing– the state Democratic Party decided to hold a “Save Our Schools” rally at the same time (6:00 – 7:30) on the OTHER SIDE of the Bi-lo Center. The rally was to protest Mark Sanford for not taking the stimulus money for schools. According to WYFF 11:00 news, around 100 people showed up. According to the Democratic Party, around 200 people showed up (see Greenvilleonline.com).
The stark contrast in crowds, when shown on TV last night, was hilarious.
Keep up the good work.
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The DCCC is passing around a petition quoting Michael Reagan at a tea party as saying:
What they don’t get is that we agree!
Not bloody likely. That does not follow their script.
It is EXCELLENT to see people are not fooled by RINO’s trying to use the Tea Parties for political gain.
Yes it’s bi-partisan. Yes it is designed to recreate the Reagan legacy and first principles. And yes it will work.
The Tea Parties aren’t going away.
We are “Present”
A term Odopey should be familiar with.
If a mature voice does emerge from MSM, that person is likely to be hailed as a leader.
Did everyone hear that Obama said he hadn’t heard & didn’t know anything about the Tea Parties? Sounds like the ultimate snub to me.
I suggested that all T.P. photos be compiled as a banner to be sent to CONGRESS, and all media…..
We will not be denied or ignored.
It could be entitled WE THE PEOPLE, OR UNITED WE STAND.
taxdayteaparty.com
This group has good central start
They have to marginalize us in the war for public opinion.
I’m off to a legislative forum held by local state reps. This is the what is next. As my friend Leslie so eloquently stated, “Complacency is our enemy. Be aware. Be educated. Be informed.”
Who exactly are the “corporate sponsors” they accuse us of having?
Sounds like he’s got all the words down pat. Too bad he can’t match them with action.
It would appear that the “news” organization NEVER quite got the message that the TEA Parties are a PROTEST against BIG GOVERNMENT!!!! idiots!
Theses RINOs need to learn that nothing good comes out of the Obambi W.H. Nor the Dem controlled congress. The wimps are afraid of being called racist or worse yet, “obstructionist”. That’s exactly what the party needs, not get along go along, dopes.
That was desperation from Barrett.Notice how he crawfished and his talking points were what he thought everyone wanted to hear.He doesn’t realize we have all heard them before.Same old crapola,time for action not a bunch of rheteric.
Establishment politicians are hoping the tea parties were one-time protests and not a movement. They are thinking that a little rhetoric will cover the spending abominations (Bush’s strategy, in other words) and they can then go back to business as usual. They are indifferent to and contemptuous of the broader message.That is why everything depends on the next tea-party installment. If TPII is twice as big and twice as loud (twice the hate, trolls?) as the first at that point they will start to get worried and we can boast we own the Republican Party — not the reverse.
We have to keep it up. Get and stay radical. The next decade has to be for the Right as the 60’s was for the Left. Otherwise, all is lost.
This is no longer a government of the people, by the people for the people. Its a government of corrupt career politicians that will say and do anything to remain in power.
The media meme, casting the phenomenon in partisan terms in response to the TEA protests is two things–
a manifestation of group-think; they don’t get that other people can think outside the Party boxes, to a more fundamental level of importance
AND
a response by some very cynical people…who do know better…who see their power-base being threatened on a basic level.
Right you are…
but it will take more. It has to go beyond mere protests, and into a focused power for real change.
Otherwise, it will just dissipate, like water poured into the sand.
I guess conservatives can be just as childish as those students at UNC-Chapel Hill. So much for this being America and being tolerant of the views of others and letting people be heard when they are trying to speak, blah blah blah.
Meanwhile, McCain’s top advisor is STILL pushing the dead “big tent” argument that Republicans have to become Democrats.
Don’t they understand that we already have a Democratic party? If these guys want to be Democrats, get the operation already! There already is a party that advocates what they want! Why are they Republicans and why are they top advisors?
I suppose it is too much to ask a “mind” like yours to see a broad and distinct difference between people at a protest refusing to let a cynical politician try to hi-jack it…
and a man (invited guest) trying to give a speech on a debatable topic at a bastion (HA!!!) of free thinking.
So we’re supposed to have corporate sponsors? Why wasn’t I told? Heck, I’ve been showing up for this stuff for free all this time!
Good for Greenville; perhaps GOP Rep. Gresham Barrett needs to start looking for a real job.
McCain’s prime function now is to serve as a walking cautionary tale of what NOT to do.
imjustsaying: Barrett was speaking at a RALLY. Tancredo was speaking at a FORUM. Do you know the difference?
In the beginning of Hannity’s show Wednesday evening from Atlanta, he introduced his first guest, Newt Gingrich who was in NYC. I thought I heard the Atlanta crowd boo when they heard Newt’s name and Hannity looked a little shocked. Anyone else get the same impression? Newt seems dated to me. Ever since he didn’t follow through on his term limits pledge, I give him little to no attention. But Hannity, et al. keep bringing him around. I’d much rather listen to ideas from Jindal, Palin.
Hannity is the biggest phony of all. He STILL gushes like a teen girl whenever he has McCain on his show. He could have proven his conservative mettle last year by refusing to endorse anyone but instead surrendered to his GOP masters. For him to even be involved with these Tea Parties makes me puke. He can take his tired old “Stop (fill in the blank) Expresses” and set up a Museum of Political Poseurs in that big tent his masters have no use for.
But when the time comes, how will “conservatives” vote? That is the question.
The next step is to demand reforms that give our political process a sound ethical foundation. One would be to redirect the campaign finance laws away from limiting the quantity of political contributions to policing their quality. Any financing that even appears to be pay-to-play should be banned as bribery no matter how small. If policemen have no trouble doing their duties with bans on freebies from Dunkin Donuts, our governing class should be able to accept the same kind of restrictions.
burbmama: In baseball, Newt would be described as having “warning track power”. Sure, he can hit a ball 400 feet but it always gets caught for a long out. He must be working on another useless book.
Newt gets too much credit for “balancing the budget”. For those who care about historical accuracy, all he did was enable Clinton to re-introduce his 1993 budget, the same one he ran on in 1992. No one seems to remember that Bush inherited a balanced budget despite the GOP larding it up by a trillion dollars of pork in 2000.
OK, guys…let’s stop eating our own.
I said in print that I thought McCain was the worst of the candidates. See “Fabian Socialism”. He is an absolute loser as a conservative candidate, but he still has some things to say, and “no man is a fool, in that I may learn from him”.
Ditto Newt. I would NEVER vote for Newtie, for a number of excellent reasons. He has shown his soft, fuzzy green center, for one thing.
But that does not mean he has nothing of value to say.
He is just not presidential timber, IMNHO
I respectfully disagree.
The reforms that we must demand are much more fundamental than any of that. Who, for instance, would judge “quality”.
No, we must dismantle the federal power structure now in place, in favor of the Constitutionally mandated system that we left in the dust back in the 1930s…or perhaps earlier.
Do that, and all else will fall into place.
As much as I hope the dissent means significant change, I saw John McCain get booed at CPAC just a couple of months before he clinched up the GOP nomination.
None of the candidates the right wing considered viable were anything close to conservative.
As much as we say we want change, I don’t know if the masses are actually brave enough to toss out the shallow powerbrokers.
Tsunami!
Precisely right. The only people in Washington, DC are powerbrokers, by definition.
We have seen the verity in the adage that “power corrupts”. There are tragically few exceptions.
So, the way to address that is to break up the power-base. Which was always the genius of federalism.
Ragspierre: McCain and Newt can keep talking all they want. Karl Marx had some good points too. They just didn’t take us to the right place. At least Zell Miller had the good sense to address the correct audience. These guys have no business evangelizing Democrat virtues to conservative audiences.
As conservatives, we no longer have a party yet both wings of the United Establishment Party are terrified of us. That’s why they are united in their war against us. The “Republican Uber Alles” crowd refuses to accept that. Yes guys, your mother hates you.
It is not important to be Republican in order to be a conservative (if it ever has been). In fact, it has become an embarrassing liability. How can a conservative be a Republican today and not feel dirty?
It’s happening! Since 2006, we’ve been successfully fighting off one bipartisan cramdown after another. From amnesty to gun control and now fascist/marxist government (yes I know, but this is a hybrid government).
We ARE winning if you can accept that there is only one party and that they are terrified of us. They should be. We are only getting started.
PP, I agree with every word.
So do a vast number of people, many of whom do not now understand that they have common cause with us.
I am, first, a Constitutionalist (if I have to coin a term). That is very like some aspects of “movement conservatism”, and like some aspects of what most consider libertarianism.
The Political Class at the federal level are all human, and they exhibit human nature…sadly.
Knowing that, as did the Framers, we simply have to respect it, and reform our government along the lines that they so brilliantly and pragmatically set out in our most basic charter for government.
One more point, what is really terrifying the establishment is that they are swimming in money, control all branches of government including mass media and yet, with no money, no central organization and a stone walling by media, we STILL get out in big numbers to frustrate their ambitions.
You doom-and-gloomers ought are just blind. Why are you even commenting at this site? You guys are depressing.
It torques me everytime they play advertisements telling us how great it is now we have this money in Utah to give people state jobs-green jobs. If these were such a deal a private company would have already done them.. except of course any new companies are going to be too soaked with taxes to start up to give jobs.
It’s a joke. and I too boo any politician in Utah that doesn’t get a clue from the Governor and the senator’s to anyone in our state legislature. We should know better than this.
enough is enough already!
No. As long as one person in that crowd didn’t turn their back on that spend-ocrat, just one ear is all it takes to convince him he’s done the right thing. The voters who put him in office deserve to pay every last cent of generational theft that clown voted for.
We live in a time of great hope…and great and well-founded fear.
It appears to me that the American people have come to a tipping point…at long last.
Many of us have been saying these same things…government has exceeded its bounds, it is too big, too centralized, totally departed from the Constitutional limits imposed on it, etc…for DECADES.
Now, it is becoming apparent to many who have not seen it before, and they are alarmed.
The issue now is this…can it be reformed? And can it be reformed in time to avoid exploitation by our many external enemies.
I think it can.
If Gresham Barrett was invited or even if he just showed up and was allowed to speak at the last minute, on principle I have a big problem with the air horn thing. Booing is fine with mean raise his voice over that, but I see little difference between the air horn thing and the lefts shouting down and stage rushing banner tactics of people they do not like. That being said, I DO understand how hard it would be to remain silent while this clown attempts to explain his position. I say, next time, sit and listen respectfully while he spews his crappola of lame excuses. When he is LEAVING feel free to pelt him with rotten eggs or anything that else that will not leave a bruise or cut. And you did respect his free speech rights. If he was stupid enough to show up…..he asked for it and should have seen it coming. And be sure to tell him to consider himself lucky it is not TAR & FEATHERS.
Question? Anyone know why this guy Barrett was invited to speak in the first place?
If this Tea Party movement is a real grassroots movement then these professional politicians, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, should never be invited to speak at one of these gatherings. They need to keep their mouths shut and listen. In addition the current political parties don’t need, nor should be invited to, organize these gatherings.
Burbmama,
I expalined my reason for not liking Newt a couple of days ago. Hannity really likes the man and I am sure he is a great guy to invite over for a BBQ. However, he was made Speaker in order to right the wrongs of the Clintonistas and, Bill proved that he was the tougher politician by letting the government go broke. Newt rolled over and begged to be kissed softly – thus ushering in the age of the “bipartisan” RINO.
Bush did inherit a balanced budget – except that the original debt was never paid off – we simply weren’t incurring more debt. Bush actually increased revenue intake while in ofice. He had the disadvantage of having two wars to fight – war is expensive and cleaning up afterwards is more expensive still.
Ole Blue Lips will give up on Iraq and allow Congress to cut funding for rebuilding. Iran will send in agitators and the following bloodbath will make the Khmer Rouge seem like Mormons. All to “balance” the budget. He will find a way to blame it on Bush. You wait and see.
This is the guy who wants to be the next governor or S.C
Totally inconsistent.
I suggest that one…one of a very few…organizing rules for future protests should be that they are AVOWEDLY non-partisan, and that no sitting politician should be allowed to speak at them. Nor should obvious aspirants to office, like the Newt.
Yes, we must be cautious, circumspect and such-but John McCain is NOT our own-at least not mine. As with others I have come to the conclusion that the Republican Party is either to be cleansed of RINOs or abandoned altogether.
I am not interested in a slower and more gentle socialism-a slower and more gentle destruction of our Constitution – a slower and more gentle elimination of our Rights as a Free People. McCain supports ALL those erosions.
He too is a big spender-just somewhat less; McCain-Feingold was as Fascist as any legislation I have ever seen-”the government will decide what is and is not Free Speech”. His McCain-Kennedy Amnesty Bill and attitude towards us who opposed it shows his contempt for Americans. Let the man reach across the isle and stay there until 2010 when we can replace him with a non Rockerfellerlite.
Newt writes some really good history books and should stick with it-AT HOME.
Rags: believe it or not, we are not far apart at all. We are just phrasing it differently.
I call myself a “1776 Liberal”. I have spent much time carefully reading history. The creation of the US is a miracle. Our Revolution marked the peak of liberal philosophy and the miracle was that it happened at all.
I often refer to Thomas Paine because his opening paragraph in “Common Sense” captures perfectly what is at the core of our freedom: virtue.
Libertarians operate on the foolish belief that freedom is the natural state of existence. It isn’t. Chaos is. Freedom requires virtue. People have to choose to do the right thing, even when no one is looking and there is no chance of getting caught.
Government is the compromise society makes to the inherent reality that humans are flawed. Our union was never perfect but in pursuit of a more perfect union, we try to keep government as small as possible. We are failing miserably because we no longer value virtue in society. We are making it impossible to even have a free and orderly society. We don’t deserve freedom anymore. The solution to every problem today always calles for us to surrender yet more individual freedom. It has to stop and soon.
I’m a conservative because I believe most of us “get it”. We have power because we right. Given the chance, we can articulate the problem in adult terms and that resonates with most people. After all, most people are trying to be responsible. We make it “cool” to be responsible, caring adults.
Party politics is what is hopelessly corrupt. Let’s try something else. It is not too late.
dadmin, I totally agree.
The “turn-your-back” response is devastatingly effective, and still respects the ideals of the First Amendment.
But better…just “disinvite” the Political Class altogether.
“….professional politicians, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, should never be invited to speak at one of these gatherings.”
Thank you MacEamonn. That solves the problem. There is not one single currewnt elected official who is NOT responsible for or part of the problem. And you know that most of them who jump on any movement bandwagon after the fact are going to B.S. us anyway. They cannot help it, they have been doing it for their whole careers. Honestly, I cannot think of any who I would say is a good candidate for political rehabilitation.
You’re throwing the baby out with the bath water. A word to the clueless: non-partisanship is not man’s greatest virtue. In fact, it’s impossible.
ArizonaNeanderthal, I agree, and second your comments as to political office.
I would not vote for McCain or Gingrich for dog-catcher.
But they are not devoid of good ideas…mixed with really BAD ones, and that was my only point. We can listen to them, but NEVER vote for them.
PP, politics is what politics always has been. What has changed is the concentration of power.
Break that up, and you limit the effects of the sad nature of humans to be corrupt…and have that corruption imposed on the people.
*As I have said before, my motto for voting in 2010 and 2012 is, “If you voted for the bailout, then it’s time to get the hell out”; They need to feel the pain, both R’s and D’s.
*And it is clear that the RNC and Michael Steele Wool still don’t get it, as they are throwing their support behind Spector instead of Toomey in Pennsylvania; Principles matter, so I’ve got some money for Toomey so he can primary the rat bastard out!
This is the quote of the year.
cowboy 15; and when they have spent a lifetime sucking off the gubmint teat, they pass it on to their offspring. in missouri, half our elected officials are 2nd generation slugs. hell, in this state we elected a dead guy, just so the extended family would have a gig. we now have two carnahan kids in politics, and mom is the ex-senator. blunt part deaux, was just governor, clay passed his congressional seat on to his son, emerson to his wife, and i’m sure there are others. TERM LIMITS.
I am not advocating abandoning principal in favor of non-partisanship.
I merely note that the the protests MUST be larger than a “Republican” rally, because this is a time, and these are issues that transcend party labels.
I don’t trust my Republican Congressman to do the right thing. He voted for TARP. TARP was a Bush notion.
This goes to fundamentals, and those don’t belong to a political party.
He’s right about one thing.
They hear us.
They just don’t care what we’re saying.
They will care if people will vote the issues instead of name recognition and who’s gonna give them the most of other people’s money.
They’ll all be unemployed.
Agreed. But, I note that the passage of these bills was NOT unanimous. I would like to see a breakdown by party of which politicians had their head screwed on straight. These folks are the ones in position to lead our country out of this mess. And if only R’s opposed this crap sandwich, then only those R’s deserve our support.
This week, I became an
ACTIVIST!
and will remain one-
I think nobody would disagree.
But I hope all would agree that any man or woman that votes on the side of the Constitution…that is RELIABLY…deserves our support.
Anyone who attends these protests in support of the impulse behind them…whatever label they may (even mistakenly) bear…has common cause with us.
Best video I’ve seen in a long time..
Love the guy who kept saying “Go home”
LOL!
Amen to my fellow patriots!!
lgm, ilmc, and edelweiss, aren’t you going to defend the heckled Republican? Where are you? Hello…
Unfortunately, no; I do not. I think the days of a representative government are long behind us. It’s all about special interests, lobbyists and who’s going to help them get re-elected.
Best news from the “TEA PARTY”… Methinks the CONGRESSMAN needs to update his RESUME!!!
Excellent-we have Country, Family and Faith to protect and defend. United we Stand-Divided we will fall.
the Crisis
These are the times that try men’s souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; …
Yes they are definitely getting the message. They just don’t know how to stop us. They failed on gun control, amnesty and so far, cap and trade. Every time we focus, they lose. Now we are growing fast and threatening to become a mainstream movement. They are petrified. All of them.
We are telling them to listen but instead, they are either trying to marginalize us as radical extremists (trying to scare people away) or trying to usurp the movement itself (GOP).
They are all whistling past the graveyard. We are winning and they know it. Wait until this train gets a full head of steam. Just try to jump in front of it.
We are winning. Believe it.
Clearly the people in that crowd are racists.
no
I liked the idea of no politicians speaking at the Chicago Tea Party. I hope other tea parties follow suit. This forces them to listen to us.
LOL! That’s sounds like the least common denominator.
I have said this before but it bears repeating: the biggest threat to derailing the Tea Party movement is the GOP itself. Why? Because too many among us have an emotional attachment to being Republican. In so doing, they are not only hurting conservatives but the Republican party as well because they are preventing us from rooting out the entrenched interests who insist on remaking the GOP into the Democratic party. Pick a side already. You can’t be both anymore.
bjc~ I whole heartedly agree. Just think about what a boost the NRSC could have received if they had supported Toomey. With what BO wants to do to Pennsylvania coal industry, it will be ripe for a true conservative to be elected. Specter, et al. knew they were voting against their constituents. Another “banging your head against the wall” move by Cornyn.
I’d like to thank you guys for the comments regarding Newt and others. Seems like this has been a thread with some interesting points to ponder.
PP, don’t take this as pessimism…
but the “victories” you cite are merely delaying actions, in my book.
We kept our 2nd Amendment rights by ONE vote in a body of unelected…and unanswerable…people in black robes. I cannot regard that as a victory.
We have fought back various initiatives by stupid or dangerously corrupt people…for now. I know they will be back. I cannot regard that as a victory.
I could go on.
Meanwhile, I have seen the centralization of power in DC grow in a steady trend-line since I began to be aware. It may have slowed with Reagan, but only slowed.
I have seen more and more of our GDP consumed by government at all levels.
I have seen both Rs and Ds WORK to undermine the basic tenets of our Constitution, in the name of one “good” or another.
I watch classic movies. They often feature sentiments that were the commonly held fabric of our society, sentiments that are almost embarrassingly passe now in American culture.
That is not “victory”.
But I believe that real, global victory is possible for us in our fight with those who hate liberty and love collectivism.
We have to get to the root of the problem, and I contend that is our departure from our most basic charter, without which our government has no legitimacy.
IF that is not done, the ratchet will simply continue clicking…faster or slower…and it only clicks in one direction.
Unfortunately this will most likely not be reported on the MSM … and if it is reported it will be used as a sound bite to show that the attendees were being “violent right wing extremists” …
As for 2010 and beyond … I want to see a return to “citizen” representation … The founding fathers never envisioned this country being run by “career” politicians …
I have several “NO” items that from this day forward are unacceptable and are “automatic disqualification” …
1. No “birth certificate” provided …
2. No “career politicians” …
3. No “lawyers” …
(3a. ACLU history is a double eliminator …)
4. No “extremism” in any direction …
5. No “associations” with radical organizations …
6. No “anti-American” activists, organizations or clergy …
7. No “lobbyist” relationships or activity …
8 No relatives or other “friends” that fall into items 1 through 7 …
The following are at least “preferred” experience to receive any of my future votes …
1. “Real” people that have had “real” jobs …
2. Have experience running an actual business …
3. Military service but not necessarily a career in the military …
4. No past or current tax issues …
5. No past, current or pending criminal investigations …
/rant off/
My bad, I posted to a dead-end thread… so I am re-posting here. Slow down, so you can follow me!! HEY WAIT UP!!!!!!
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FoxNews vs the “MSM” (guess what? Fox IS the MSM too) is the same as the Democrats vs the Republicans. Behind the curtain they are all the same infrastructure.
Fox has just found an unopposed niche to pretend to present the conservative view. They were just as guilty of turning the last election cycle into a never-ending horse-race to sell copy and advertising. (this next sentence was deleted – ed.)
Ever watch that old Warner Brothers cartoon about the Sheepdog and the Wolf (Sam and Ralph)? They are “friends/associates” off the clock but they both have a job to do?
Fox (as an organization) presents a populist view at the moment that just happens to be mine also – but just like Newt Gingrich, I wouldnt trust them with my wallet beyond the next poll.
The RINO have got to go. What do you mean, I cant throw the baby out with the bathwater???? BS. I can always make/adopt a new baby and I can certainly refill the bathwater.
And, hence…no democracy…
in a free government, people have to be free…
even to make mistakes.
Even to destroy their own freedoms.
I think I prefer “When in the course of human events…”
Azygos …
Actually I agree with both you and Carole …
First … the suggested banner of Tea Party pictures …
Second … selected text from The Declaration of Independence, The Bill of Rights, The Constitution, and the Gettysburg Address across the top or bottom of the pictures on the banner …
Really…?You just posted two posts in last 2 days praising Tancredo who supported TARP bailout both the times it was introduced at house last fall…
Stop lying you hypocrite Malkin. You are just as scumbag politician as those other RINOs.
Ragspierre: trends are not conclusions. We are very capable of rebirth in America which is what is happening.
ALL societies are democratic at some level. What differs one from the other are the consequences for making choices. At the moment, our leaders have forgotten that dictatorships are not efficient. We are making their plan very inefficient. Our movement is VERY efficient.
Because of Main Street America’s awakening to the pervasive corruption surrounding them, they are now energized en masse to join us. The jig is up. Our government and business leaders have lost their claim of being “fit to rule”. In most societies, that means violent revolution. In ours, it means contentious elections leading to new leadership. It may get ugly, but in the end, we will win.
The following are at least “preferred” experience to receive any of my future votes …
1. “Real” people that have had “real” jobs …
2. Have experience running an actual business …
3. Military service but not necessarily a career in the military …
4. No past or current tax issues …
5. No past, current or pending criminal investigations …
With the exception of #3 that reminds me of a certain governor of a rather large northern state.
And what’s this crap about no more doughnuts??!!!
With that, I agree….
with important caveats:
rebirth will not come through an election that rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic.
It requires a fundamental course correction.
That CANNOT come via the normal election cycle.
It requires a greater effort, as dictated by the greater extremity at which we have arrived.
We have to revert to Constitutional government. If we do not, under what legitimate force is our government organized?
Rags: as a point of reference, watch was is happening in banking. The government seized the banks and then put a gag order on them after they changed the rules. The government is putting on a charade of ’stress tests” while keeping the results secret. They claim that it would be harmful for investors to start allocating their investment money based on “good banks” versus “weak banks”. Try as they might, they couldn’t stop the market from expressing itself. Goldman Sachs, a very good and solid investment bank, asked for and received capital from investors to pay back the TARP funds. That puts the pressure on all other banks to prove that they can do the same. So far, only JP Morgan has the confidence from investors to do the same. The other banks? Insolvent.
All the government is doing is making it more expensive (inefficient) for capital to be raised. The market wants to return to Glass Steagall and for the Sherman Anti-Trust Act to be enforced. Whether that happens, the market will force the same end result by assigning a risk premium for capital raised by banks who insist on housing inherently conflicting interests, legal or not. Uncompromised banks will raise capital much more cheaply making them more profitable.
Societies work the same way. Just as the capital markets are in a war of attrition, so are we with political capital. It’s all about efficiency. Water seeks its own level.
31Bravo …
I had no one in particular in mind … just tired of people with no experience in real life making decisions that are affecting everyone’s lives …
BO has never in his entire life held a “real” job … and much of Congress is the same … (because I count “lawyers” as leeches on society not jobs … )
But PP…
Political forces are the antithesis of markets.
Markets…left undistorted by government intervention (not at all the same as proper regulation)…are rational.
Political solutions tend…STRONGLY…to be irrational.
This is not debatable, as the two systems respond to, and create, OPPOSING imperatives and incentives.
And remember, the allure of fascist economic policy is the impulse, identified by Adam Smith, for incumbent businesses to form an unholy alliance with government.
MANY captains of industry are, in fact, ANTI-CAPITALISTS, in that they seek protection from the rigor of the market.
This guy doesn’t get ’shut up’ does he?
What a jerk…
We need tangibles.
A list of local, state, national politicians, Democrat or Republican, who support our constitutional principles.
We need a concise platform.
We need a powerful way to hold politicians accountable to the principles we hold.
We need an agenda that begins today and looks five, ten, twentyfive years down the road that points to taking back our country based on founding principles.
We need people to run for local positions now who can bring our point of view to the forfront.
We need to resist the call for third party movements. We are not solely libertarian for example.
Are people ready to do the hard work that our constitutional view requires?
There are fun parties and then there are working parties. What will the Tea Party become?
Just watched “John Adams” on dvd. I don’t have cable, so no HBO. I found it captivating because it rekindled a patriotic desire to reread about our War for Independance and our Nation’s Founders.
Anyone out there who hasn’t seen it, do so. Consider it a homework assignment.
SC will likely secede before Texas. They led the way before.
But the tea parties aren’t relevant unless you have ACTION! Every single person at the tea parties PAID THEIR TAXES. That’s all the government cares about. You can gripe and complain all you want, but as long as you pay your taxes, the government won’t care.
The tea in Boston Harbor was dumped without paying the tax on it. That was a statement. If people didn’t pay taxes en masse, the government would pay attention.
The talk that we ‘don’t need a third party’ is poor too. The Republican party won’t change unless it is to co-op Democrat policies to get more Democrat voters.
Black conservatives will NEVER become Republicans. Hispanic conservatives will NEVER become republicans. But if current Republican conservatives can get past PARTY affiliation, then they can probably convince black and hispanic conservative (socially and fiscally) voters will likely follow.
If you say ‘we can’t have a third party’, then nothing will change. NOTHING. A third party could make a victory out of 35% of the vote. If you need to be Republican, you’ll need to get 50% of the vote.
The third party is the only answer.
Look, guys…
Third party, Republicans…whatever.
WE sent people to Washington who we believed were dedicated to Constitutional government, including Pres. Bush.
How’s that working for ya…?
It matters not the least who you send into the sausage-grinder. The sausage-grinder wins.
You HAVE to dismantle the sausage-grinder…NOT send in more meat!!!!
He may not have been invited, possibly asked to speak, and being fair the organizers aloud it, possibly knowing what type of reaction he would receive.
On April 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am, Bogtrotter said:
The difference.
In my area, the Dems have a lock. You won’t get 35% of the vote, you won’t even get 5%. And we’ll need local representation in the House, if nowhere else.
Not arguing with you, just pointing this out is all.