On April 20th, 2009 at 7:33 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

Well look what we have: Salt & Ragspierre – both saying the same thing – Obama took too long , plus neither of you has a problem with his race, you simply think you could have done better than Obama?

You’re the one that keeps injecting race into it. By extention, you must have agreed with everything Condoleeza Rice said and did, right? You must be sending Michael Steele donations to the RNC because you certainly don’t wish to be a bigot, right?

I’ll bet you also think getting into Harvard Law School is easy too and becoming president of the Harvard Law Review is also simple.

How many strawmen are you considering putting up today? I have never said this.

Ragspierren – aren’t you a lawyer? Where’d you go to school – south carolina technical online university?

So becoming a lawyer is only hard work for President Obama because he went to Harvard? Your “argument” is all over the place here. You attempt to make a point that becoming a lawyer requires effort, but then seek to attack Ragspierre because he has a differing political view than your own?

Salt you’re still trying to claim that none of you Obama critics are bigots who are upset that a smart progessive person of color is President?

I am a critic of many of Obama’s policies, but not all of them. Here’s another shock for you that will not fit into your narrow perspective: I do not hate President Obama.

You see, rationally minded people can disagree with a man’s policies without prejudice to the color of the man’s skin or background or hating him. I understand that it’s your inclination to hate everyone that disagrees with you so that you can categorize them into the “you people” mentality, but that’s a sad way to live and I pity you. (That is assuming you’re not a sockpuppet.)

By contrast, the ad naseum/ad hominem attack where anytime someone disagrees with someone from a minority background is accused of being racist is, in itself, racist. You seem to be the one most obsessed with the President’s skin color here.

Neither of you can explain why you’re so hostie towards this man and his wife – I suspect his race is significant.

Cite one example where I have expressed hostility towards the President. While you’re at it, find one occasion where I have said anything judgmental about the man based solely on his race.

Your original “point” about my being opposed to the President’s decision to send in the SEALs has backfired so now you have scrambled back to the “racist” crutch.

You know nothing about me, yet you presume to project any stereotype that fits your world view. It must be nice and cosy instead that perspective where you never need to acknowledge that someone else can disagree with you without being the enemy.

I am beginning to suspect that the liberal commenter that pegged you to be a concern sockpuppet to make liberal posters look bad might be spot on. I have gotten along with many liberal commenters here just fine, so I am inclined to believe they might be right about you.

I’ll bet you also think getting into Harvard Law School is easy too and becoming president of the Harvard Law Review is also simple.

Ragspierren – aren’t you a lawyer? Where’d you go to school – south carolina technical online university?

And Ragspierre – you still haven’t explained how you give multiples of your pay to charity

Salt you’re still trying to claim that none of you Obama critics are bigots who are upset that a smart progessive person of color is President?

Neither of you can explain why you’re so hostie towards this man and his wife – I suspect his race is significant.

I read a post elsewhere, purportedly from a serving person on the Bainbridge (spelling dubious) that said that the commander on the scene was prevented from taking action in the first escape by the ROE that came from THE ONE. SEALS were aboard, and had a shot, but could not take it under orders.

Later, the commander took the initiative, and ordered that the SEALs engage their targets.

Then, THE ONE followed-up with a “shoot” order.

Kind of like, “Halt or I’ll…BAM…fire!”

I can’t vouch for the account, and it could be apocryphal, but is sounds sort of like it has the ring of truth.

Anyhow, with all the Jimma Carta comparisons flying around the popular press (i.e., NOT MSM), THE ONE had very little choice but to free up the military and not continue to equivocate.

On April 20th, 2009 at 5:52 pm, Ilovemycountry said:

Hey Salt – can you explain why you people had a problem with Obama sending the Navy SEALs to take out those pirates?

When our President gets criticized for protecting abducted Americans – then I look at the critics and wonder why would say such things – maybe you can tell me why?

Thanks – ILMC

Hey ILMC, considering that you are addressing me directly within your typical “you people”, you might wish to get your facts (about me and others here) straight.

I was not critical of President Obama finally allowing the SEALs to do their work. If you were not being so blatantly intellectually dishonest, you would see that many posters here supported that action. If anything we wondered why it took so long for President Obama to give the order and questioned the conditions it took for him to come to that obvious conclusion. We underscored the fact that the Vice Admiral stated it best when he said that the United States should not negotiate with terrorists.

All of this is off the topic at hand, of course, and it still doesn’t erase your comment here which makes your pretense at having any sort of moral high ground a joke.

When our President gets criticized for protecting abducted Americans – then I look at the critics and wonder why would say such things – maybe you can tell me why?

Thanks – ILMC

On April 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm, Ragspierre said:

I think I’ve just been called a liar.

I will have to report that…

Don’t bother with him. Even liberals here want him to go away.

ilovemycountry:
Have you not seen any bigotry in the Obama critics?

This is his whole schtick. If you are critical of Obama, you are a bigot.

Yet, he says bigoted and asinine things about Michelle and posters here all the time.

I will have to report that…

America was not designed to Europe or the World – the constitution is a living document, that’s why Obama is the President.

If you are so courageous – then why aren’t you calling the posters on this site out for heir bigotry every day?

Are you claiming that none of these tea baggers or members of MM are bigots? Have you not seen any bigotry in the Obama critics?

If your answer is no, then you are not as courageous as you claim.

If any of you people had any courage, you would admit you’re uneducated bigots and then you’d do something to make yourselves better people.

I’m courageous enough to have donated MULTIPLES of my income to charity, over and above the percentage given by THE ONE or his idiot VP.

I’m courageous enough to know that America is not…was designed not to be…Europe or “the world”.

I’m courageous enough to deal with reality…not some subjective notion of “good”.

I’m courageous enough to call racism what it is, no matter what the racial origin of its practitioner.

I’m courageous enough to support freedom of choice for myself…even for a poltroon leftist…both in political and economic venues.

I’m courageous enough to fight the evil of defining other members of the human family as “extra-constitutional” beings, without rights, which you must do to support Roe v. Wade; see DREAD SCOTT.

I could go on, but you just won’t get it…

I write, not for you, but for others whose eyes are not totally scaled over.

sorry for the delay responding…I had to go be an attorney. Making a living can be such a drag!

Anyhow, there is no case law on point of which I know, so I can’t provide you a precedent.

However, I CAN do this; I KNOW…

tax evasion requires an affirmative…usually fraudulent…act. There has to be intent, and that has to be proven.

Many, many (I’d say millions, but I have no data to substantiate) Americans simply do not pay…do not file. They are not criminally prosecuted, with the important exception of those who collect withholding funds from employees and fail to turn them over.

Often, those people who do not file or pay, after years of “non-compliance” are allowed to settle on very good terms…pennies on the dollar for tax, penalties, and interest.

In the right circumstances, even that is dischargeable in bankruptcy (I do that work, and know).

There is a critical mass, which would number only in the thousands, of cases of people in a boycott that could be pursued by the Service in any given year.

People (respectfully including you) are under the hoo-doo of the IRS. We tend to impute to them “perfect information”, which is a myth. We fear criminalization, which is also a myth.

An overt act…involving no fraud and no special pleading (common among those who I know have tried to be too clever by half)…taken on political free speech grounds, could not successfully be tried as evasion. Nobody is evading anything. There is no intent.

The essence of civil disobedience is that the practitioner subjects themselves to the extent of the law, and calls on others to join them on moral grounds.

This does not need to be done foolishly or quixotically. It could be done in a highly organized way, and only after a critical mass has committed to doing it.