CNN’s cover-up and “fair use” abuse
Unhinged CNN reporter Susan Roesgen is on “vacation” after scrapping with Tea Party protesters last week, but her bosses are still hard at work trying to stifle Tea Party voices of dissent. As many of you know, CNN forced the takedown of behind-the-scenes video shot by Andrew Marcus of Founding Bloggers and posted to YouTube. Founding Bloggers has sent and published an open letter to the cable network requesting that the video (which has aired on other TV networks without retribution) be restored:
In short, we suspect that you are harassing us because our product was popular, because we are small, and because you can. We conclude, with some amusement, that your conduct tends to lend validity to the least flattering stereotypes associated with your organization. We live in the era of the internet – it is not so easy to silence people these days, as you will discover. In the final analysis, you will have become the butt of your own joke.
Should you prefer to avoid this fate, we will, of course, welcome the return of our production to its rightful spot – and the 3000+ viewer generated comment-opinions, both in support and in opposition, regarding it. Alternatively, should you prefer to continue on your current course of intimidation and censorship, we will endeavor to counter your actions.
In short, withdraw your fraudulent DMCA claim against our production, and instruct You Tube to restore the clip.
CNN is engaging in blatant abuse of the DMCA to stifle free speech under the guise of “fair use.” Been there, done that. Hot Air successfully fought off a bogus takedown from the bullies at Universal Music Group. I hope the Founding Bloggers do the same — and shame the censors at CNN for eternity.
Patterico recommends an “I am Spartacus” approach. Grab a copy of the forbidden video and post it yourself on YouTube. I’ve posted the video CNN doesn’t want you to see on my account, too:
Patterico also has more background on Susan Roesgen and her bogus reporting on the Jena 6.
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CNN: Commie News Network. Roesgen probably has a gig in Cuba this week.
Seriously, don’t throw stones from your glass house of FNC megabias.
As I learned after watching their coverage of the 1992 election, CNN has no shame – or sense of fairness!
Susan Roesgen must have graduated with honors in fictional screen play writing. Journalism classes seem to have escaped her course work.
No wonder these liberal propaganda outlets that practice journalistic water-boarding are going bankrupt. As Lincoln said, “You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.” They think we’re fools.
Ah, yes. Fascism and its propaganda arm. Lovely.
Two thoughts:
1. You realize that Cody Williard slams both Republicans and Democrats in his rant, right?
2. Is your point that the FNC video should be removed from YouTube as well?
It always amazes me how the left whine about free speech all the time, yet they just want to shut up any opposing opinions (hence, this video, Tancredo last week, any conservative on campus, etc).
Put that video everywhere you can so everyone can see it.
There is no comparison between any partisan tilt by FOX and this blatant attack on a citizen by a rabid CNN stooge.
FNC admits right-leaning news analysis – not right leaning reporting! CNN does both from the Left.
Yeah, the tea party was really anti-CNN.
What a twit. Sour grapes because she obviously wasn’t qualified to get the job at FoxNews.com when she applied for it a while back.
Probably because someone at Fox was smart enough to figure out she wasn’t a journalist, but a simple tool for the left wing hit job media. CNN is a perfect fit for her. Losers like her deserve to be at a cable news network that’s in LAST PLACE.
How fitting.
Luckily, already 10 times x CNN viewers watched it, thanks to bloggers.
Meanwhile, CNN meanies are exposing themselves.
What else would you expect from the Communist News Network?
CNN new slogan:
We support the 1st ammendment only after our censors have approved it.
SUSAN should remain on “VACATION” a long, long time… And ANDERSON COOPER??? Why does he still have a job, after his, IN VERY POOR TASTE, reference to an act of ORAL SEX???
That just means he’s a more fringe conservative than mainstream Republicans — which is saying a lot.
No. CNN should be ashamed as much as FNC.
What am I missing? That guy was reporting the Tea Parties for FNC. It’s not like he was The Cody Factor.
I watched Fox last night. They said repeatedly that Obama is a Socialist and a Fascist. They had an approving interview of some protester saying Obama is a Communist dictator. That is far worse than anything CNN has done. I’m sure they said this Saturday, Friday, Thursday,… . You get used to it.
Now you know what it’s like.
So I’m curious, when Cavuto was caught on live mike saying to his producer the crowd was 5,000 and then less than ten minutes later sayong on air the crowd was at least 10,000, if not 15,000, was that “analysis” or “reporting”?
I like how she brings up $50 billion for Illinois in the stimulus plan (over the next 8-10 years, so $5-7 billion per year) but neglects to mention that in 2007 the IRS collected $135 billion from the state of Illinois (in one year!) Why not just give a 4% tax cut and keep the money in state each year?
So, going back to your throwing stones metaphor, we should not question the removal of the CNN video from YouTube simply because FNC also has a biased video?
It seems like we both agree that the CNN video should not be removed, so I am uncertain why we also need to discuss the FNC video.
This is an EXCELLENT response.
Copyright provides for “fair use”, and I think (without being an intellectual property maven) that the law supports posting the video under fair use for criticism, if for none of the other general items under that category.
So, POST AWAY…
there is safety in numbers.
And CNN needs to be outed for its reporter’s censorship of the TEA Party attendees.
YouTube took the first video down.
LGM, CNN has done far worse than that. Like the spotlighting the Marines landing on the beaches of Somalia back in the 90’s to the showing of Insurgent proganda sniper videos from Iraq (while refusing to show the US video of a soldier saving the life of one of the sniper insurgents after he was wounded by return fire from our troops). Seems that is far worse, but I would not expect you to understand why.
You know.. I didn’t know what Tea-Bagging was until I had to ask my husband about it. MSNBC and CNN can go fly a kite!
What I found hilarious was the left using an obscure homosexual practice (that normal people had to look up to know what it meant) in their attempt to ridicule the tea parties.
Perhaps Alinsky should have been more clear, ridicule only works if normal people know what you’re talking about.
Taking the vid down from utube exposes the limited thinking of whoever at CNN was responsible for that move. Do they actually think removing it from utube would make it “disappear”?
As to the Clown News Network and their alleged reporter in Chicago:
They have completely unmasked themselves as the propaganda arm of the left, their isn’t any pretense of objectivity anymore and thanks to the internet, everyone knows it.
My, that is a lovely straw man you have there, RSS and lgm.
You should get used to it.
It’s called “free speech”.
It is also quite demonstrably supported by facts.
What the CNN infobabe did was CENSOR the people she was supposed to be interviewing by cutting them off, and refusing to let them answer her question.
Materially different from asking a follow-up question…no matter how stupid (i.e., what does it matter that a state is being given BACK money confiscated from its productive citizens?)
What!? You mean business pros have an innate nature to inflate numbers? Oh the humanity!
Business pro? I thought he had ihis reporter cap on.
But as long as it is part of their “innate nature”, I guess its okay.
From your posts you seem to do a lot of that – ever wonder why?
They who? Which show?
Yes, we know you seek vengeance on all those conservative meanies. However, it’s unclear what the “What it’s like” to which you refer to here is.
Are you suggesting that Susan Roesgen, whom you yourself admitted was not objective, is justified in her behavior because you believe FNC is worse?
How can you compare the two? On CNN, Susan R. gets in a shouting match with someone she’s supposed to be interviewing and tries to counter with some random comment about how much bailout money Illinois will be recieving (thereby proving the point of the guy she is interviewing) and then gives up because she can’t stand interviewing anyone at the tea party that couldn’t have occured with out the extreme right wing news network FoxNews.
AND THEN: CNN pulls it!
On the Fox piece, the Business Analyst doesn’t interview anyone, blames Republicans for 2007 and blames Democrats for 2009. He stated facts, no member of congress he interviewed had even read the bill, and urged viewers to end the facism (which if you look at the definition would be a pretty accurate way to describe what the tea parties were rallying against).
AND THEN: FOXNews didn’t pull it.
Apples and Oranges.
At least Fox let’s the viewers form their own opinion rather than cover it up.
Golly…
could it be that Mr. Cavuto had data, then got more data that provided a new crowd estimate…???
Geez, then you couldn’t impute dishonesty to the man…
NAW… Leftist can’t deal with reality. They prefer their smear-jobs.
RSS and lgm making comparable arguments years ago on the playground.
Little girl: “I saw your friend deliberately throw a rock through Mr. Wilson’s window.”
lgm: “Oh ya? Well, I saw your friend hit a baseball that dented Mr. Roberts car.”
RSS: That’s right and, and, and another time…. he also hit a baseball that landed on Mr. Smith’s roof and plugged her downspout.”
Liberals and their use of moral equivalency is so intellectually lazy.
He’s a business reporter – not news reporter – his specialty is dedicated to a select audience that understands the hyperbole and showmanship necessary to retain viewership in an otherwise dull subject. As such, hold Cavuto to the same standards as Democrat Jim Cramer and the other left supporters at MS/CNBC.
I watched too, up until 9:00, and would like to know which shows he’s talking about – unless I missed something, it certainly wasn’t Huckabee.
In all fairness conservatives do it just as much on this blog. Even MM often starts threads criticizing a party’s politician and inbeds links of “similar” actions of the opposing party’s officials.
Countless conservative commenters engage in this on a daily basis.
I agree it’s lazy, but it’s hardly a tactic unique to liberal folks.
Could be. From the transcript though, they specifically said they had no figures from any sort of official and were basically eyeballing it.
And the on air he said
Sounds to me like he was still eyeballing it. No mention of where his new numbers came from, if in fact they were from an actual source.
So yes, I am imputing dishonesty. I think he purposely inflated the number.
The point of this is that CNN was embarrassed enough to demand that this was taken down. They well know that this “reporter” looks like a fool and that her actions reflect badly on CNN.
They don’t mind being a clown network, they just don’t want that to be widely known.
Like I’ve said before, the closest lgm comes to admitting wrongdoing by the pro-Collectivist media is the “we may be bad, but you’re worse” argument. This is a thinly disguised attempt to shift blame and to justify any misbehavior. Besides, lgm **wants** Obama to be a Communist dictator… why is he complaining???
Oh this is awesome. He’s a business reporter. So it’s okay to lie. In fact, we should expect it and shame on me for not doing so.
Gotcha.
Business reporters are not the same as news reporters.
Firstly, undresiege, I concur that both sides engage in this.
However, I did chuckle at the fact that you argued the point of moral equivalency with moral equivalency.
You guys are a bit off topic. However, are you absolutely certain that Cavuto misrepresented? As you said, he was heard on a live mike. Did you hear the other side of that conversation, too?
They reported…you decided…enjoy!
And your comments regarding Fox, CBS, NBC, Pravda, Al Jazerra, Sky News, or Radio Havanna have what relevance to the conduct of CNN?
Its relevancy to anything else is what?
It wouldn’t matter: the left hears what it wants to hear, and interprets as suits its needs or arguments.
Facts:
CNN leans to the left.
MSNBC is all the way lefty oriented.
FOXNews is all the way righty oriented.
I have no problem with FoxNews being the voice of rightwingers. I just wish they’d be honest about it, as opposed to talking that fair and balanced jive. Bill O is the most moderate host on that network not named Geraldo, and that’s saying something.
CNN has Dobbs.
MSNBC is all lefty but for Scarborough.
None of the cable networks are 50/50 objectively fair and balanced. FoxNews is outnumbered so I could care less if it has a rightwing conservative viewpoint. But why front?
So?
That establishes you have an opinion, supported by absolutely no evidence.
There is nothing cheaper or more open to disdain.
I would love to post it on my blog. The only problem is YouTube has disabled the ability to download any file they carry (and isn’t that a copyright issue? They don’t own the videos) … so there is no way I can find to get a copy of the video. If FlashGot won’t grab it – I know of nothing that will.
If someone could suggest a way to grab the video I would host it myself to provide it.
Salt:
Here is the live mike part:
So they both agree about 5,000, maybe more. How maybe more goes from at least 10,000 to maybe 15,000 is strange to say the least.
Curious the same blase attitude is not given to other media outlets.
Its relevance is directly to a comment made that Fox News is right leaning only in its comentary, not it’s reporting. But apparently, so long as you can classify someone as a “business” reporter they have no responsibility for their statements.
He – nor any liberal – requires evidence to support what they say. He’s also a lawyer.
Anymore questions?
You have seen signs that CNN and MSNBC embrace their bias (by your example)?
My local paper in small town PA counted 100 but they left before the additional 350 arrived.
Kinda like the “MILLION mom march”, right, or any leftist group riot. Inflated by4 or 5 times as a matter of course.
Next.
Thanks. I hadn’t seen that.
Perhaps he learned math from counting the “million” man march?
LOL. That’s another point. Moral equivalency is an overused term. It should be used moderately along with the terms, “projection” and “meme”.
We political internet posters get caught up in the same, tired blog speak, usually regurgitated from talk radio and TV.
UndyS will be accused for projection in 5,4,3,…..
Are you even trying to pay attention?
The proof is he said he thought it was 5,000 off air and then said it was 10-15,000 on air. How is that not evidence? Now maybe 10,000 people suddenly swarmed in within the space of less than 10 minutes, but what is more likely hmmmmm?
Forgot the
here… was not intentionally making a moral equivalency argument here, but rather a joke about moral equivalency.
Now that’s a moral eq….., oh nevermind.
So happy to hear you “have no problem with” it. Why then dp lefties want to squelch the voice of one network and a few voices on talk radio? That’s … wow – maybe 4 outlets, as opposed to ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, PBS, etc.
Seems fair to me!
The Jena situation showed the true light of every single media outlet – they are nothing more than entertainment (and rather bad at that). Any facts that managed to trickle out that were correct were accidental. The narrative was racial injustice, and every paper, every reporter, and every TV station stuck to that line despite the reality.
In post 60, I lazily and incorrectly used the word “proof” in my first sentence. It is not “proof” of lying, but merely evidence of such.
Refer to post #61…
They are honest about it, you apparently didn’t watch.
Hannity, O’Reilly, et al, have said numerous times that FNC’s news analysis leans right – mainly so the right has a voice on the airwaves – its reporting does not.
FNC reporters and news presenters give both sides of any story (fair and balanced) as opposed to what was witnessed w/ CNN’s Roesgen last week, and daily w/ NBC’s Andrea Mitchell.
One side of a news story only is propaganda.
On April 20th, 2009 at 11:20 am, lgm said:
What’s wrong with them telling the truth, you little collectivist parasite?
HHHHMMMMM we’ve know what it is like for 8 1/2 years. You lefties have been calling GW and republicans fascist and Hitler way before we have ever said a word.
GIVE ME A BREAK!
I know. We were typing and posting at the same time. LOL
Hey chapoutier. I watched the Cavuto segment live, and I never had the impression that he was doing anything more than speculating based on his own eyes and what a few other people might have guessed in regard to the size of the crowd. Cavuto never tried to pass his comments off as anything other than gross estimates. Perhaps during the 10 minutes or so between comments, he had a few more glimses of the crowd and some second thoughts about the size. So what? Your attempts, along with that tool on MSNBC (I can never remember his name because I almost never watch him…something like “Oberman”), to paint Cavuto as someone who is manufacturing and exaggerating data is just strange.
I’m a lawyer, too.
When a witness says “at least 5000″, they FREQUENTLY can be questioned to adopt a much, MUCH higher number.
Cavuto is not a trained crowd estimator. He has never claimed to be.
Mr. Cavuto, to my knowledge, has been a very even-handed commentator. He is not a wild-eyed partisan.
He, like many thinking Americans, can see a train-wreck happening, and he doesn’t like it. That was his impetus for being involved in the TEA Party.
Chap, that’s called a correction. Roesgen was being an a$$h_le at the Tea Party…I think that is visually clear by now to any viewer.
If CNN is for free speech, CNN’s actions don’t make them look good to me right now.
Not entirely incorrect there laddie-not at all
I must admit I have not watched CNN since Beck went to Fox as I am jealous of Larry King’s suspenders.
Clinton News Network
Commie News Network
Clown News Network
But my favorite is PMSNBC
They all work to the good of the bad and covered the 19 man march.
I always maintain he was giving his own estimate. I am just saying it is curious his “estimate” changed so dramatically when he thought he was not being miked as to when he knew he was on air.
So both he and his producer, who were on the exact same page one moment then decided they were off by 200 to 300 percent? Please.
Again, I did not say he was manufacturing data. I am saying I believe he purposely lied about his impressions of the crowd size. If he would have said “There’s gotta be 10-15,000″ without any other context, he may have been off by a lot, but that would not make him a liar. Just a bad counter. The fact that he had said not 10 minutes before that he thought the number to be much smaller does.
So, how about that Susan Roesgen? Seemed to me she showed bias and CNN is trying to cover her tracks by making the video unavailable.
Frankly, I don’t give a great big rat’s hind quarters about who does it, too.
CNN – Chicago Narcissists Network
Sorry I’d have to see some links to support that. To the contrary, while Hannity admits to being a conservative “commentator”, both he and Bill O repeat the bogus claim that the network is fair and balanced. You’re not fair and balanced when you clearly lean to the right and express an overall conservative viewpoint on your spin of things. Again, I have no problem with this. Just keep it real.
I think all networks give both sides, but the slant comes in the tone and presentation style. I’ve agreed that NBC and CNN slant left.
Again it’s the tone and style of presentation.
That’s my opinion. I’ll bounce before things get repetitive.
I guarantee if Chris Matthews or Olbermann or anyone from CNN or ABC or whatever had been caught saying the EXACT same words at an anti-War or pro-Choice rally, we would not see so much benefit of the doubt, calling it a “correction” or an update, nor presuming favorable, if not tortured, definitions of “at least” here.
I don’t get something. If someone independently shot that video, CNN has no intellectual property claim to it.
While the final numbers are still coming in, they are huge by any standards. 20,000+ in Atlanta, 15,000+ in Sacramento, 7,500+ in Fresno, 10,000+ in Houston, and the list goes on and on.
While you make a good argument against Cavutos in-flux analysis, in the end, I take it that his guesstimate ended up being virtually spot-on?
So I take it that you are against poll projections on election day, or will you make the argument that they are legitimate because the pollsters are actuaries.
Hmmmm…. they say 15K based on what? The official estimates jibe with Cavuto’s original number, to his producer, whom he presumably had no incentive to lie to, as opposed to on air, where his incentive to inflate the numbers of an event he has promoted and is attending are obvious.
CNN/MSM left wing hack with no pretense of professionalism.
One sentence enough? Give that cow the Walter Cronkite Award and an extra bag of alphapa pellets-with a helping of Blister Bugs !
Hey lgm, please point out for me, the libelous statements in your rant. Thanks in advance.
Don’t forget the Bag Balm!
People who claim Fox News isn’t biased are as stupid as the ones who claim CNN and MSNBC aren’t biased. The three cable news networks are as biased as humanly possible. If you want fair and honest reporting, well, that’s what blogs are for. At least they’re forthright about their biases.
I’m still curious to hear what our resident trolls think of CNN and Roesgen.
All I’m hearing is obfuscation. Typical, but still pathetic.
So are we arguing the political bias and consistent Democrat propaganda of CNN? There is no argument. They do it on a widespread and calculated basis.
Obama would probaby not be President today without their help. Liberals only argue that CNN does not do that in order to distract people from realizing it so they can continue fooling people and bringing them to their cause. Liberals will never admit to that.
CNN’S reporting is lacking in honesty and integrity. This Susan is the poster child for their propaganda efforts and having been exposed so easily is hurting their cause. Cause being propaganda, not news reporting.
Fox has much better reporting. I see both sides of the story and can make up my own mind. Liberals just hate it because it exposes their idealology for what it really is. They have been programmed to not allow that to happen so they reflexively defend CNN and attack Fox. All in support of their political views and willingness to suppress any opposition lest their idealogy is exposed and loses voters. Win at any cost.
Who cares if Fox does it. Fox is one of a few showing the other side of the story. Thats why I like it. I get both sides and can decide for myself and according to the ratings, I am not the only one. When the government controls what we hear, we are in BIG trouble.
Foxnews is Fair and Balanced. They report both sides of the news – news being the key word. The other programs are the talking heads commenting on the news and other events that are happening and yes, they admit to lean to the conservative side.
What’s important to note is what is omitted from the news. CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc. not only don’t report both sides, they’re selective on what they chose to report on. The Tea Party’s are a good example. Had they been anti-war, Code Pink or Cindy Sheehan’s ragtag group of 50 protesting, they would have deemed that news worthy. But gatherings in 50 different states with the numbers involved protesting the same thing isn’t considered newsworthy? Give me a break.
Josef Goebbels would have been proud of his legacy of propaganda reporting methods these “news” arms of the liberal left have embraced. The quicker they go out of business the better.
That’s a lot of people.
I love, however, how Fox is labeled overwhelmingly by liberals (in kneejerk, foaming reactions) as a network of lies…100% lies.
Gotta love the hyperbole and hypocrisy, but I digress.
Tell us, Mookie, what you think of Roesgen’s BS and CNN’s childish cover up. Let’s stay on topic.
It’s pathetic and an abuse of Fair Use policies. I thought that was pretty obvious.
BZ.
Anyone else noticing how much more frequently the people “reporting the news” are becoming the story?
It’s no longer about news. It’s a 24/7 marketing campaign to promote their views.
“Unhinged?” That woman is beyond unhinged. Roesgen should be in a padded cell and under round-the-clock medication.