Michelle Malkin » Janet Napolitano said what?

Janet Napolitano said what?

By Michelle Malkin • April 21, 2009 08:59 AM

She said this on CNN over the weekend:

KING: A lot of Democrats in Congress want to you investigate [Joe Arpaio]. They think he is over the line. He says he is just enforcing the law and the problem is the federal government.

NAPOLITANO: Well, you know, Sheriff Joe, he is being very political in that statement, because he knows that there aren’t enough law enforcement officers, courtrooms or jail cells in the world to do what he is saying.

What we have to do is target the real evil-doers in this business, the employers who consistently hire illegal labor, the human traffickers who are exploiting human misery.

And yes, when we find illegal workers, yes, appropriate action, some of which is criminal, most of that is civil, because crossing the border is not a crime per se. It is civil. But anyway, going after those as well.

Full transcript here.

Julie Kirchner gently reminds the DHS Secretary of what the law actually says:

ENTRY WITHOUT INSPECTION IS A CRIME: In fact, pursuant to 8 U.S.C. 1325, crossing the border illegally is a crime–a misdemeanor for the first offense and a felony for the second and subsequent offenses. But of course, ignoring or mischaracterizing the law is a very convenient way for those in power to avoid the laws they find most inconvenient. Sadly, statements such as these are also a signal that Americans will have to wait a long time before their government articulates any credible immigration enforcement policy.

Jena McNeill at The Foundry sees through Napolitano’s parsing:

This ‘interpretation’ of the law by Secretary Napolitano seems to be the latest in an effort by the Obama Administration to scale back interior immigration enforcement efforts in the United States. As recently as March 28th, Napolitano made the decision to delay a series of immigration raids and other workplace actions aimed at finding illegal workers. At the same time, both President Obama and Secretary Napolitano have announced new initiatives intending to send the message that they take the issues at the southern border seriously. But the Administration cannot fight cartels while ignoring illegal immigration—people smuggling is part of the problem, not a separate issue. Legalization will only make matters worse. Granting the people here illegally asylum will only encourage more illegal border crossing. Likewise, failing to enforce workplace and immigration laws will only encourage more to ignore the law.

Yep, that’s The Plan.

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There is now a Fire Napolitano website.

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#682687

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:02 am, right4life said:

the democRATs want to turn this country into a third world state, with poor, uneducated serfs who appreciate the democRATs caring for them.

sow the wind, reap the whirlwind..I just hope the libs who suffer the most, but unfortunately all of us will. I have no doubts the mexican drug gangs are buying influence in the democRAT party as we speak…
#682688

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am, cpodug said:

Once again, we are stuck on definitions -
(Channeling Bubba) “It depends on what your definition of ‘crime’ is.”

As with all laws(at least in the administration’s point of view), this is completely open to interpretation, regardless of what the plain wording and sense of the law says.
#682693

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:12 am, Craig said:

“…and a felony for the second and subsequent offenses.”

A FELONY JANET.

Got that? I’d like to know the percentage of all aliens in our country who’ve entered, then had to re-enter the U.S. because we caught them the first time.
#682696

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:16 am, John Deaux said:

Is there a single aspect of this country that these people find desireable and don’t want to change?
#682697

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:18 am, wighttrasch said:

So I don’t have to show my passport to anyone at any border? Cool.

Yeah, like I wanna go to Canada.
#682698

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:20 am, Savage24 said:

Napolitano has taken the DHS from it’s so called law enforcement statis and made the the police force for the democratic party. She sees threats from veterans, people that believe in the constitution, people that believe illegal immigration is a problem, and just about anything that disagrees with the democrat agenda.She cannot see that the real threat is the politicians in the government, from the president to the cities mayors. DHS has become just as corrupt as the rest of them. It’s a honor to have your name on their list!
#682699

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am, mchristian said:

A politician, former AZ governor Napolitano, is accusing another politician, Sheriff Arpaio of playing politics. At least Arpaio is enforcing the law. Napolitano would prefer to forget its existence.
#682702

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:24 am, BruceB said:

Does that mean if I can get someone in the DOJ to say “Bank Robbery” in not a crime, I can go around robbing banks?
#682703

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:26 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

Fire Napolitano website will be raided by J-No’s personal Security Services; that will teach those Right Wing Extremist holding on to old, out moded notions of National Sovereignty! Some may see Napolitano as parsing-I prefer to say she is lying but I do not want to appear judgmental.

Sheriff Joe can be irritating and a peacock at times. But as he irritates the socialist/progressives I have to support the man. I am one of several RAAACist xenophobes who sent Juan Hernandez McCain Pink Underwear-$15- purchased from Sheriff Joe. The real evil-doers in this business starts at the top-that would be J-No and friends such as Little Lindsay Gramnesty.

A day with out insulting a leftist is like a day without homophobic orange juice (NOT the OJ Simpson Cut and Run kind).
#682704

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:27 am, Solo said:

He says he is just enforcing the law and the problem is the federal government.

He’s right.
#682706

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:27 am, Weary Citizen said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am, cpodug said:

Yep, and the “comprehensive immigration reform” act(s) is not amnesty. “It’s earned citizenship” per mcamnesty. Too many freaking lawyers in our government playing word games. The old duck addage is appropriate here.
#682707

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:27 am, Ragspierre said:

Nappy Jan has set her priorities…

DO NOT refer to Jihadiis as “terrorists”

DO refer to patriotic Americans as “terrorists”

DO NOT enforce our borders

DO police our thinking

DHS

Department of Hometown Suppression

This is dangerous in two directions at once.
#682711

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am, irving said:

Don’t be fooled. Napolitano wants us to think she’s “redefining” the terms when it’s much more likely that she really didn’t know that we’re been calling it illegal immigration because it’s illegal!
#682712

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:30 am, Pasadena Phil said:

The mindset of our entrenched criminal class of corrupt weasels. They have their own language steeped in euphemisms and outright lies.
#682716

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:34 am, JDinTX said:

There have been so many things that this administration no longer finds against the law. They want everyone to think that the law can be null and void just because they don’t like it and they ignore it. I hope Sheriff Joe keeps his war on illegals going. Illegal is still ILLEGAL. Maybe he will even arrest her for intefering with a law enforcement officer trying to do his job.
#682717

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:35 am, irving said:

Pasadena Phil said:

… They have their own language steeped in euphemisms and outright lies.

Most of us read 1984 and Animal Farm as cautionary tales. But there seems to be a subset of people (mostly but not entirely on the Liberal side) who took them as training manuals.
#682720

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:38 am, Pasadena Phil said:

Official 250-page report from the Inspector General warning of massive TARP fraud.

Drudge has several links to specific fraud by Feinstein, Harman, Murtha and Pelosi. Where’s Sheriff “no one messes with Joe” Biden on this?
#682725

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:44 am, MarkD said:

She has proven she’s not qualified. An astute person would step down from a job they cannot handle. An astute employer would remove a person from a job they cannot handle.

An astute citizen would remove a government that cannot do its job. I’ll see you at the polls next year. I’m voting incumbents out.
#682726

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:44 am, ThackerAgency said:

It is pretty amazing how these American officials look upon AMERICAN citizens with such contempt. Yet they bend over backwards to make sure the environment makes non-Americans feel comfortable. (I mean Islamic terrorists and illegal aliens and socialist countries and other dictators – Iran and Saudi Arabia).
#682731

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:48 am, no2pcbs1 said:

napolitano is such a waste of dna. this administration is already suffering from a severe fecal impaction, that’s poisoning the very essence that’s made this country great.
#682732

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am, WaterBoyz said:

Just continuing the plan of the Democraps expanding their voter base.

And we (Conservatives) can’t do a thing about it.
#682733

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am, NJ-Aviator said:

“crossing the border is not a crime per se.”

What an arrogant jackass she is. My blood boils when I read about what the people entrusted to enforce the law, just ignore the law.

And Larry King no doubt accepted what she said, correct? And why is that egotistical useless windbag still on the air?
#682734

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am, tiredofit08 said:

nappy needs to be fired!!…..

http://www.firenapolitano.com/
#682735

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:51 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

She may not be a terrorist, but she sure is a man-caused disaster!
#682738

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:55 am, xler8bmw said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:44 am, MarkD said:
She has proven she’s not qualified. An astute person would step down from a job they cannot handle. An astute employer would remove a person from a job they cannot handle.

An astute citizen would remove a government that cannot do its job. I’ll see you at the polls next year. I’m voting incumbents out.

Exactly! These corrupt politicians will never vote in term limits on themselves. I wish everyone thought like you.

If the American people want term limits institute them by doing just that vote out the incumbants. Everyone that keeps voting the career politicians in term after term got exactly what they deserved.

Not happy with them create your own term limits!

There is NO REASON kennedy, Kerry, Murtha, biden and the list goes on have served more that 12 years and shown they’re not effective!

WAKE UP PEOPLE!
#682741

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:58 am, Pasadena Phil said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am, WaterBoyz said:

Just continuing the plan of the Democraps expanding their voter base.

And we (Conservatives) can’t do a thing about it.

That kink of thinking is based on the assumption that all Mexicans are illiteral, unskilled third-worlders who don’t support family-friendly government. I assure you that Mexicans are NOT natural Democrats.

It’s just that the Republicans insist on negotiating their relationship with them through La Raza. That’s the problem with being a country club with no presence on the ground.

Being a son of LEGAL immigrants, I have been successful on a personal level persuading Mexicans that illegal immigration is not good for them or anyone else (unless your business is so backwards as to require the cheapest of cheap labor that a permanently victimized underclass provides).

If the GOP wants to make big inroads with this demographic, empathize with their plight and make the case on a personal level for why LEGAL immigration is the way to go. So long as the path to American citizenship forces them to run the gauntlet that makes them hate us, we are just breeding our own Al Qaeda at home.
#682743

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:59 am, dan708 said:

Firing Napolitano is a good idea, but her boss BHO is just as much a problem. His kissing up to The Race makes highly unlikely that Barry will hire ANYONE who is aggressive about border enforcement.
#682745

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am, NJ-Aviator said:

So does anyone know what the procedure is for reporting a business that hires illegals and therefore evades federal and state taxes by paying it’s worker “under the table”..??
#682750

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am, jsr said:

As long as we are making up our own definition of what is and is not a crime, I have my own personal revision:

Neglecting to pay your taxes is not a crime per se.
#682752

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am, slp said:

Napolitano is playing word games on all of you.

crossing the border is not a crime per se

Her statement is correct. The act of crossing the border is not a crime. Crossing the border only becomes a crime if you fail to be inspected by Immigration.
#682758

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:15 am, Artbyruth said:

I put this link on my Facebook page….i think people need to see this quote. It is shameful.

Yes, Sheriff Joe has made a lot of mistakes, but when it comes to illegal immigration, he is spot on.
#682765

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:16 am, southsideironworks said:

Obama and worshippers wont stop until we’ve become a hollowed out shell of a nation.
#682767

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:17 am, Ragspierre said:

So does anyone know what the procedure is for reporting a business that hires illegals and therefore evades federal and state taxes by paying it’s worker “under the table”..??

Depends on where you are…

Call the cops, ICE, whoever you can find in the book.

In my experience, it won’t prove very satisfying.

BTW, many people who hire illegals do not evade taxes by employing them. They pay the illegals the same wage, and pay the same expenses they would for any worker with equal skills and productivity. In my experience as a contractor (before becoming an attorney), nobody was working for less than the going rate for their trade. The concept of cheap Mexican labor is a myth…again in my experience.
#682769

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:18 am, ThunderHawkk said:

Does anyone still doubt liberalism is a mental disease? My God, what is wrong with these people…?
#682771

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am, GodblessedtheUSA said:

This is waaaay off the topic, but i had to share it:

From Yahoo news,

WASHINGTON – For the first time, an accused domestic terrorist is being added to the FBI’s list of “Most Wanted” terror suspects.

Daniel Andreas San Diego, a 31-year-old computer specialist from Berkeley, Calif., is wanted for the 2003 bombings of two corporate offices in California.

Authorities describe San Diego as an animal rights activist who turned to bomb attacks and say he has tattoo that proclaims, “It only takes a spark.”

The move to add a domestic, left-wing terrorist to the list comes only days after the Obama administration was criticized for internal reports suggesting some military veterans could be susceptible to right-wing extremist recruiters or commit lone acts of violence. That prompted angry reactions from some lawmakers and veterans groups.
#682774

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am, Ragspierre said:

Neglecting to pay your taxes is not a crime per se.

Actually, that’s true. I deal in bankruptcy law (among others), and have lots of clients who have “failed” to pay taxes for years. Some of them (in very limited circumstances) discharge the tax liabilities in bankruptcy, far from being criminalized.
#682777

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:24 am, Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:

I wonder, as a WNBA fan who has never been married, (nudge-nudge, hint-hint) if Mizz Napolitano perhaps bears a special animus against the perceived white male patriarchal structure of this country, and this is why she bears such an animus against the very laws she is supposed to be enforcing.
#682778

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:25 am, Texas T said:

So does anyone know what the procedure is for reporting a business that hires illegals and therefore evades federal and state taxes by paying it’s worker “under the table”..??

My husband called ICE a while back about the illegals living down the road from us; they bring home the van from the company they work at so we know who the employer is. ICE said, “Do you have concrete proof they are illegals? Otherwise we can’t do anything.” (Hubby said, “Isn’t it your job to get the proof?”)

Obviously, we never got anywhere with that. I don’t know how you would go about getting proof… I guess you’d have to be an admin at the company in question or something.
#682780

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am, MBuck said:

You know, there’s another side to this. The witch et al are targetting the employers, not the employees. This will only serve to damage the private business, which is definitely par for the course with this administration. It’s just more fascism, but from a different angle.
#682787

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:30 am, Ragspierre said:

Napolitano is playing word games on all of you.

crossing the border is not a crime per se

Her statement is correct. The act of crossing the border is not a crime. Crossing the border only becomes a crime if you fail to be inspected by Immigration.

I’ve been chewing on Nappy Jan’s comment, and, from a gnat-straining hyper-legalistic standpoint, it may be narrowly true….ish.

If it were a crime in-and-of-itself, then each illegal caught would be entitled to due process. The full monte. Rather than stick them on a bus, they’d need to be arrested, Merandized, arraigned…you get it.

There is a notch between “civil law” and “criminal law”, and I think this is one of the issues that occupies that notch.

Are they here illegally? NO QUESTION. Can they be summarily deported? NO QUESTION. Is that more efficient than putting them through the criminal system? I think yes.
#682791

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:31 am, maisy said:

Remember the old movie shots of people traveling to the new frontier. They would line up in wagons and head for the new land , placing a stake on their “new homes” to settle and make a new life.
The new movie would show millions of illegal Mexicans also running for the US , placing a stake on YOUR home and taking it from you. That’s what this amounts to and I can’t fathom how these people can be so stupid. When Boston schools shows the largest influx to be non english speakers and drop out rates throughthe roof , you can’t tell me these people don’t know the harm they are doing to this country. It defies logic.Meantime they give Kennedy awards for his contribution to the fall of this country. How stupid can people be???
#682793

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am, GodblessedtheUSA said:

I live in Texas and around here i see a lot of illegals… They work hard, but they have no problem with bragging about not having to pay Income Tax. Also about not paying their hospital bills, and getting free meals for their kids in school, etc… some get paid cash for doing labor/contract work. House cleanig pays about $30.00 an hour or more.( without having to pay taxes) They have money and nice things, but because they don’t report it, they can say they make 500 a month and qualify for all kinds of gov. programs. It’s disturbing!
#682803

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am, Ragspierre said:

Look, illegal aliens…Irish, Russian, Mexican…whatever…

run the gamut of humanity. Some are excellent people, some are dangerous predators. They all share one thing in common…

they were willing to break the laws of this country to come here.

The issue here isn’t the people.

It is national sovereignty. Can we be a viable nation when we cannot determine who will come here, and under what conditions.

Simple as that.

Nappy Jan does not seem too damned concerned about the issue.
#682804

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:41 am, tarpon said:

When was the last time you can remember that a Democrat knew what the law actually said.
#682812

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:43 am, Ragspierre said:

When was the last time you can remember that a Democrat knew what the law actually said.

They ALL know…!!!

Bill Clinton knew perjury was a crime.

They just don’t care…

Laws apply to people like us…not them.
#682822

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:47 am, tiredofit08 said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am, NJ-Aviator said:

So does anyone know what the procedure is for reporting a business that hires illegals and therefore evades federal and state taxes by paying it’s worker “under the table”..??

Report suspicious activity:
1-866-DHS-2-ICE

http://www.ice.gov
#682825

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am, tiredofit08 said:

also try:

http://www.wehirealiens.com/
#682832

On April 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am, Mach1Duck said:

Watch Out!
Department of Homeland Security

The DHS has issued a procedure bulletin annotating the radicalism of conservatives. Interesting to say the least. Of course it was radical conservatives wearing black uniforms standing outside of the voting offices, and of course it was also the radical conservatives who were challenging FOX news. Oh well.
And now we have a government-sponsored program to enlist young people for volunteerism. Volunteers for what? A progressive police force perhaps, Woodrow Wilson had one and locked up thousands who disagreed with his political policies. So did Uncle Joe and Adolf in their own time. Yes sir, young people carrying out the dictates of progressive leadership, I can hear the tinkle of broken storefront glass from here..
So the DHS instead of looking outward to threats to the United States citizenry, such as illegal immigrants, which is the charter of the government; is looking inward to protect the government from its legal citizens. How far we have fallen!
The grass roots Tax Day Tea Parties are not enough to tell our elected officials, local, state and national, what we think of their policies and actions in behalf of the citizens. Political office is not won by votes but by contributions. The states offer the most lucrative retirement benefits in response to the union campaign contributions. But, it is not limited to the states, look at what the federal government has done with Ford and GM, the bailout was to the benefit of the unions and their campaign contributions. We all know who were the big recipients of Fannie and Freddie, and who cried the loudest when the AIG bonuses were announced. Just look at how our elected officials maneuver behind the veil of political expediency and who profits, is this not correct on Dianne Fienstine?
It was expressed well in the movie Network, “I am mad as hell and am not going to take it any more.” It is time we stand, veterans, believers in the constitution, followers of religions, and tell the government it needs to go on a radical diet. Not only does it need to reduce, it needs to produce, and if it cannot produce by reading a bill before it is passed, or voting into law a hog-callers dream, those individuals should be replaced and tried in a criminal court.
What is the America Corps? This is going to be a civilian policing force to ensure there is no descent from government policy, another ACORN. And, it is rightly named after Sen. Ted Kennedy. It all comes with a slick wrapper and lots of ads telling us how good it is. How good it is, about as good as the Brown Shirts in Germany during the thirties. Throw in a little Hate Crimes Prevention Act (H.R.1913) and you have almost total control, if not control, the government can at least squash any descent.
#682846

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am, JonB said:

As soon as the Obamanation pushes his amnesty plan through, the democrats will have a secure hold in the government until they can completely destroy America.
The Tea Parties were a nice gesture, but they were to little to late for this once great country.
Welcome to Obamica.
#682852

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:14 am, Ignatius Reilly said:

I apologize for mentioning in another thread my opinion that Napolitano is a dyke. After all, it is not relevant to her job performance that she looks to me like a dyke. It really is not appropriate to speak of who might or might not be a dyke, even if every time you see someone’s photo you think, “Dyke! Dyke! Dyke!”

After all, the federal government is getting larger and more intrusive everyday. And, just now, it is run by Democrats, including many dykes in their party. So some of these dykes, quite naturally, are going to be bullying me, because that is what big government bureaucrats do, they bully people. (Especially dyke bureaucrats.) I am just going to have to get used to being bullied by dykes. To be fair, it isn’t that much worse than being bullied by race pimps, liberal facists, ACORN workers, organized labor thugs, and the BIG “stake holders” in our children’s education (the incompetent teachers who have good, protected jobs in which they are not required to perform)…well, all of these typical Dem types are going to be pushing us around and not just dykes.

I need to calm down and adjust to the new reality. My obsession with who is a dyke — and who might even be an especially ugly dyke — is really not appropriate in this modern age.

I apologize for my speculations that Miss Napolitano just might be a dyke.
#682861

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:19 am, Weary Citizen said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 9:58 am, Pasadena Phil said:
On April 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am, WaterBoyz said:

That kink of thinking is based on the assumption that all Mexicans are illiteral, unskilled third-worlders who don’t support family-friendly government. I assure you that Mexicans are NOT natural Democrats.

I disagree with you completely. How many illegal aliens have college degrees, or even a high school education for that matter? Not many. And “family values” alone is not going to pull the lowest wage earners over to the GOP. They will vote for the pol who promises them the most goodies (welfare, food stamps, etc) every time. Especially if they get to stick it to “lazy gringo” at the same time. Additionally, look at the high school drop out rates around the country by ethnicity. You will find hispanics right at or above blacks in this category. Almost 50% of hispnics in Texas never finish high school. Of those that do, only a small fraction attend college. Not because of racism or any other nonsensical excuse, it is because their culture does not value education. Add to that, hispanics have one of the highest out of wedlock pregnancy rates, and you have a sure recipe for future institutional welfare recipients (ie democrat voters). It will be generations before that changes. I like your optimism, but I don’t see it as reality anytime soon.
#682863

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:23 am, On-my-soap-box said:

because crossing the border is not a crime per se

…until you cross their border…
#682869

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:27 am, JonB said:

The democrats objective, in the arena of immigration, is to get as many illegals as possible into this country as they possibly can before summer (my projection). Then, this summer, when the sob stories about illegals dying in the desert heat trying to “get a better life” are all over, congress will push hard for amnesty, the Obamanation will sign it, and then ACORN will have a full year to get all the new citizens registered to vote. Anyone want to take a quick stab at what party ACORN will be telling these new citizens to vote for?
#682877

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am, wighttrasch said:

Ed Mahmoud abu al-Kahoul said:
(nudge-nudge, hint-hint) if Mizz Napolitano perhaps bears a special animus against the perceived white male patriarchal structure of this country

Say no more! Say no more! Say no more, Squire!
#682879

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am, Bulldogger said:

Following this logic I guess trespassing, driving under the influence and all other such crimes are not crimes anymore? This would be a great campaign ad for 2010.

ALIPAC just issued a National Red Alert here > http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-153766.html
#682881

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am, conservative in europe said:

Thank you Julie Kirchner!!!

I’ve quoted that section of law numerous times right here.

It is 8 USC 1325(a)(iii) to be precise. I’ve prosecuted about 20 people under it. No one likes it because it takes away the excuse of “I’m not a criminal” that you always hear the tearful aliens claim on TV.

Short answer, yes you are.

We should stop using the term “illegal aliens” and refer to them by the most appropriate title they deserve: Uncharged Criminal Aliens
#682882

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am, Pasadena Phil said:

Weary Citizen: I was not limiting my definition of Mexicans to merely the illegals. There are many more legal Mexican-Americans here (citizens and green card) than there are illegals.

The older ones have been fighting off the influence of La Raza going all the way back to the days of Cesar Chavez. Those who marched with him from Sacramento to the Mexican border in the 1960s still remember that the march was a protest against illegal immigration. That La Raza now speaks for them is dismaying. They didn’t elect these guys, our politicians did… because it is expedient. Just like negotiating with Jesse and Al.

Mexican-Americans have a long history of being successful entrepreneurs in CA and so they have been a natural Republican constituency for a long time. Now we are abandoning them because the GOP elites would rather shortcut the politics by cutting convenient deals for expediency?

Because of that, the poorest among the legals are now being forced to compete against even poorer, less skilled third-world people who CHEATED THE SYSTEM! People who believed are now justified in being cynical. All they see is corruption and lies. Why isn’t that the GOP message? Because they are corrupt frauds.

The amnesty bills would just be creating a 21st century version of slave owners. They would create a permanent underclass of victims being forced to go through a 13 1/2 year gauntlet called a “pathway to citizenship” where unscrupulous employers’ end of the deal will be enforced by the government while any complaints from the workers will be a reason for sending these people back to Mexico.

That message resonates among people who already know it. I came to understand that after it was explained to me by a very good Mexican-American friend. The Republicans have to get out of their comfy estates and take walk around the neighborhood. This is a winnable battle but people like you have to tell it correctly and hold the GOP’s feet to the fire. Could you please? Mexicans are our friends. Believe it and good things will start happening.
#682885

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am, Judabuggs said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:14 am, Ignatius Reilly said:
I apologize for mentioning in another thread my opinion that Napolitano is a dyke. After all, it is not relevant to her job performance that she looks to me like a dyke. It really is not appropriate to speak of who might or might not be a dyke, even if every time you see someone’s photo you think, “Dyke! Dyke! Dyke!”

LOL, Ignatius…perfectly understandable…don’t fret overmuch.
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On April 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am, conservative in europe said:

Sorry, it is simply 1325 in general. for anyone who is interested, here is a link to the actual law.

It is one of the simplest sections of US Code to read and understand.
#682889

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am, dominigan said:

If being an illegal alien is not criminal, then why would hiring an illegal alien be criminal?

Talk about a disconnect…
#682899

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:54 am, GladzKravtz said:

How did somebody like this ever become governor of the great state of Arizona? Was there a poor turn-out or something? It’s like she is in another dimension!
BHO’s cabinet is a bunch of clowns and I’m not laughin!
#682914

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pm, Ron said:

It should be plain by now that the law is what the Obama administration says it is, not what’s on the books, what the courts have ruled, or what a common sense reading of the statutes would reveal. Janet Napolitano, a lawyer, makes this sophomoric mistake by accident? No, not at all. It is intentional. Just as Geithner never paid his takes until forced to do so, etc., etc., etc.
#682920

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:05 pm, pueblo1032 said:

Living in ARPAIO’S territory, my favorite JOE SAYING is this… “I am only enforcing the LAW, if you don’t like it, CHANGE THE LAW”… If only ALL our POLS and POLICE CHIEFS would follow this advice the problem would be greatly reduced… As GUV of AZ, NAPPY was about as useful as a BOIL on your BUTT, when it came to ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION… She will brag about putting the NATIONAL GUARD on the border… Truth be told, she would not allow them to enforce any border security… Not even AMMO in their weapons… When confronted by a band of ARMED INVADERS at the border (strangely dressed as MEXICAN MILITARY) they had to RETREAT… She used them as GARAGE MECHANICS, you know, changing oil, fixing flats, for the BORDER PATROL MOTOR POOL…
#682939

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pm, greenfairie said:

If this was a just world, Sheriff Joe would be running DHS.
#682952

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:24 pm, rambler said:

This woman is such a joke and a disaster for the country. BHO sure knows how to pick ‘em.
#682956

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:25 pm, JConrad999 said:

crossing the border is not a crime per se.

How do these people get away with this B.S.?!

What is wrong with the left?! Unbelievable!
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On April 21st, 2009 at 12:34 pm, karenhasfreedom said:

I read on the drudge report today that McCain has a primary challenger. One of the minutemen organizers is going to run against him in the primary. For you AZ folks here, does he have a chance to beat McCain? Or will that open the door for the Dem to win the general? Whatis the attitude down there in AZ nowadays with all of the violence problems with illegals?
#682975

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:39 pm, hawkeye54 said:

How do these people get away with this B.S.?!

Certainly you must be familiar with Democratic modus operandi(?) and are simply being rhetorical – yes?

You are also familiar with the virtually ineffective GOP (Gutless Obsequious Psuedoconseratives)

Explanation enough!
#682986

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm, Weary Citizen said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am, Pasadena Phil said:

I understand you want the GOP to change the message, and agree that pandering to amnesty is never going to win them a d*mn thing. And I agree that many mexican americans do not support amnesty. I have had many hispanic friends, but they were almost always multi generational Americans and did not even see themselves as “mexican-americans”, just Americans. However, I beleive (IMO only) you are misguided in your assessment about the numbers. I beleive that a heavy majority of hispanics support amnesty, especially those who have come here over the past 30 years or so. Sure the GOP could, and should, win over the minority who feel as you state, but the numbers in the end will lean toward democrats and freebies. It is a numbers game that the GOP will lose big time (my guesstimate, 70% dem, 30% GOP). I remember seeing a study a while back that something like 70% of all mexican americans had a relative or knew someone personally that was here illegally. Guess what they want to see happen? Additionally, the statistics on hispanic preganancies, crime, and dropout rates point to an ever increasing nubmer of hispanic democrat voters. I just don’t see anything changing that trend anytime soon. Many of the recent hispanic immigrants are not the same quality as those who have been here for generations. They don’t want to adopt American values. Finally, amnesty will be followed by a huge influx of new immgrants via chain migration, who will all be grateful to the amnesty supporters in DC (aka democrats).

The GOP message should be about what is best for Americans and the damage amensty will have on all Americans, including legal hispanics. In other words, oppose amensty and promote a secure border. Trying to out liberal/PC the dems is a fools game. The best the gop can do is not alienate those hispanics who think like you, but they will not draw a majority to the party.
#682990

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:48 pm, Living in the PSRK said:

BHO’s cabinet is a bunch of clowns and I’m not laughin!

PLEASE….Don’t insult the Great and Mighty Glenn Beck, Rodeo Clown Extrodinaire by comparing these “rabbit pellets” to him.

I know that he “escaped” from Clown Not-News Network last year, but he is a Proud Clown and his feewings are very easily hurt. Please – don’t make the Clown-in-Chief cry on camera again. Please.
#683018

On April 21st, 2009 at 1:14 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm, Weary Citizen said:

And I agree that many mexican americans do not support amnesty. I have had many hispanic friends, but they were almost always multi generational Americans and did not even see themselves as “mexican-americans”, just Americans. However, I beleive (IMO only) you are misguided in your assessment about the numbers.I beleive that a heavy majority of hispanics support amnesty, especially those who have come here over the past 30 years or so.

That could very well be, especially the illegals who comprise the last 30 years. But what would you expect? Both parties are speaking through La Raza who keep re-enforcing the lie that this is THEIR country and that all of their ills are due to social injustices at the hands of Americans.

I have faith that were the GOP to appeal to all of them directly, not through the new slave masters, with the message they WANT to hear, that reflects the traditional family values and law and order values that the GOP used to stand for, it would resonate.

Let’s try that. It is intellectually bankrupt to believe that Mexicans are inferior to us as people and wouldn’t buy the conservative message. It’s like arguing that blacks were created by God to be slaves. Even if the numbers aren’t there today, they will be later.
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On April 21st, 2009 at 1:21 pm, Weary Citizen said:

Let’s try that. It is intellectually bankrupt to believe that Mexicans are inferior to us as people and wouldn’t buy the conservative message

I agree, but who said mexicans were inferior? That is not the message sent by the gop or conservatives, ever. So I am not sure where you are coming from on this one. I am a Tancredo supporter, so if the implication is racism because I am tired of the mexican invasion of my country (and yes mexicans are the bulk of illeglas) then I guess I am a racist. The insinuation is a little bothersome for me.
#683042

On April 21st, 2009 at 1:30 pm, Teddy Kennedy said:

Errah, I say no to a 40 million person increase with the upcoming inevitable chain migration. Where are the Unions, the AMA and environmentalist hiding these days to tell us that the infrastructure of society cannot support this deluge??!!! We (taxpaying US Citizens) can’t and won’t support the additional load to our communities/country, quality of life and the overloaded social blanket nanny state anymore. I’m going out on a limb here but I presume none of these folks Janet and her ilk would bring in will be making over 250k a year. With 40 million folks more not paying taxes and residing at the bottom spectrum of society, the math just doesn’t work. No matter what the corporations think and no matter how many politicians they pay off, they just won’t be able to sell stuff to these folks if they don’t have a job. Once they start building the first Spanish WalMart it will be a cold day in hell before I step into a regular one again. Corporation are supporting the open borders crowd and once we stop feeding them dollars, they might start to take notice.
#683064

On April 21st, 2009 at 1:42 pm, right_on said:

“…crossing the border is not a crime per se.”

Where did Obama find all these smart people? This is just rich! No crime to invade/enter the USA, but it IS a crime to keep America safe, that is IF you were a member of the Bush security team.

By way of this kind of thought process, Obama and crew will be targeting GW, since he was the “real evil-doer,” …the “employer.”
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On April 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pm, tiredofit08 said:

#73…that figure is probably off by about 20 million…these people have more relatives and those that can’t be proven to be actual relatives than a colony of ants….
#683073

On April 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pm, iamsaved said:

She says go after the real evil doers, the companies that hire illegals. Well that’s a start if she’d even do that.

I’d say get rid of the laws and regulations that make it easy for illegals to get free social services, education, hospitalization and anything else that attracts them. Someone needs to tell the ACLU to take a flying leap.

I still think the bird feeder analogy is best. Put the expensive, multi-variety brands of bird seed in your feeder and watch what you attract. Every conceivable type of bird that lives in your area not to mention the squirrels.

How do you get rid of the mess and noise when it starts to get annoying? Remove the bird seed. You don’t have to wait long and the numbers dwindle very quickly to nil.

The real problem we have is that the Democrats don’t want to stop the illegal immigration. They want amnesty and a wider voter base.

Its a sad state of affairs when the criminals are protected and the law enforcement officers are villified for doing their job.
#683086

On April 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pm, Weary Citizen said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 1:46 pm, iamsaved said:

Very well said. Dry up the magnets that draw and keep them here. Attrition will follow. We continue the illogical liberal methodology of continuing to stock the bird feeder then standing by and wondering why the birds won’t quit messing on everything.
#683088

On April 21st, 2009 at 2:00 pm, AlohaGuy said:

She says go after the real evil doers

This is one of the libs favorite diversions. “It’s not this, it’s that.” Ok, do something about that. “Well, it’s not exactly that, it’s really something else…”
#683089

On April 21st, 2009 at 2:02 pm, AlohaGuy said:

Where did Obama find all these smart people?

This is what you get when you hire based on identity politics rather than competence.
#683102

On April 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 1:21 pm, Weary Citizen said:

I agree, but who said mexicans were inferior?

No one says it but that’s the implication when arguing that the only thing these people will listen to is “amnesty”. It is not in their interests, many if not most know it, and we need to find people who are willing to take that message to them. The road we are on is nothing short of cultural surrender to an inferior culture. (Note I said inferior culture, not inferior people. They need to accept our culture and that requires education before they become citizens. In fact, it is a precondition of American citizenship.)
#683124

On April 21st, 2009 at 2:26 pm, JusDreamin said:

Phil, you could be a great carpenter, you keep hitting the nail square on the head!
#683130

On April 21st, 2009 at 2:32 pm, Weary Citizen said:

On April 21st, 2009 at 2:11 pm, Pasadena Phil said:

Agreed to everything you said. The gop is idiotic to either directly or indirectly advocate amnesty. The negatives are there for any intelligent person to see. They only succeed in teeing off the base (hence the losses experienced in last election). But chalk this up to the gop lurch left in order to pick up a few more votes (which did not happen either). I think I was coming at it from a slightly different perspective. I still say the majority of hispanics are not natural conservatives with regards to entitlements, but that does not mean we castigate them. We simply try to win those at are more apt to be conservative.
#683133

On April 21st, 2009 at 2:35 pm, Weary Citizen said:

Oh and by the way, I no longer equate conservatives and the GOP. The GOP decided long ago to run center left in hopes of staying in power. No principles.