Obama to sign $6 billion National Service boondoggle
The community organizer-in-chief will sign the $6 billion GIVE/SERVE legislation today. Just a reminder that only 14 Republican Senators voted against the massive national service expansion.
And some good perspective from John Miller:
Cost of the “national service bill” (the one that pays people to “volunteer”) that President Obama will sign today: $5.7 billion. That’s 57 times the amount that Obama is asking cabinet secretaries to cut from the federal budget, as a symbol of his administration’s commitment to fiscal responsibility.
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What I would fear is going to prison for tax evasion in my “declining” years. Or, losing my home. And then there is my husband, who would NEVER go for it. He isn’t as radical a right-wing extremist as I am.
“AboutContactArchivesRSSColumnsPhotos Michelle Malkin Obama to sign $6 billion National Service boondoggle.” Hey now! That is not fair!!! After all he is cutting $100 Million in expenses.
What a joke.
It would not be tax evasion, and I’d put your chance of going to prison at 0%.
Again, no chance. You put your tax money in the bank. The most they could hit you with would be fines (a known quantity that can’t be more than the statutes and regs allow), and interest. Your home is never at risk.
Now, there you have me…
He could file separately, though…
Every year, we have paid the govm’t more than we needed to so that we wouldn’t be caught short at tax time. We always get a refund. But now, I am dead set against letting the government use my money for all that time!!! Are you saying that maybe we should claim a lot of deductions, then put that extra money away to earn interest for us…and then just not pay at tax time?
At the risk of repeating myself…
1388 was/is frightening enough.
If (once included-language) 1444 makes it through…watch the slide pick up speed.
– MuscleDaddy
I live in PA, a closed-primary state, so I’ll stay in the Repub party. But I will give a long look to anyone running on the Constitution Party ticket.
This idea concerns me. I am afraid that we will dilute our party and end up assuring our defeat. Do we want to get rid of the likes of Dodd, Schumer, Fwank, and Murtha? Or do we just want to make a point that we won’t vote for RINO’s? That is a choice we have to make. I just want to defeat the liberals who are destroying us!!! Any. way. we. can.
Yes, that is EXACTLY what I suggest…
BUT…
not ad hoc, acting only as a lone individual.
Let this notion get organized. Let it become subscribed to by a “critical mass” of others, prepared to do it together. Let it be supported by a legal team, a support team, and a PR team.
That is what I suggest.
It has worked before in American history. Rosa Parkes was not some lone lady on a bus. She was a savvy operator in a highly organized team.
NOW you are talking! I have been muttering for years if we ALL refuse to pay taxes – they cannot put ALL of us in jail!
This is really about ACORN enhancement, period.
The jobs, let’s not be fooled about this volunteer bull will be directed to those registered on ACORN lists.
These jobs in turn will be used to reflect a boost in employment figures in time for the 2010 election cycle.
Obama’s sneaky smart at padding the rolls, dangerously so in my opinion.
Under current law NONE of us would go to jail.
There is no intent to evade taxes.
I have modeled this concept for over a decade and a half.
I have found no scenario…short of total abandonment of due process…where it does not put enormous pressure on the BEAST, right where it lives.
Should a great number of taxpayers increase their claimed deductions, and thus put the financial hurt on the destroying leeches in D.C., what is to stop the socialists in D.C. from simply passing new tax laws to eliminate the possibility of claiming increased deductions on one’s W-4?
I should point out that I am not disagreeing with you.
That was an informational, not a contentious, question.
Nothing.
And with each step in that direction, they alienate more and more people, and show…ever more clearly…what and who they are.
For each thrust, there can be a counter-thrust.
We would have to plan on it.
But, remember, a civil disobedience campaign depends on a call to morality, directed to the larger populace. Think of the example of the civil rights movement, or woman’s suffrage.
Please, I APPRECIATE your questions!
I am asking people to engage with me in thinking about this notion.
Please, think with me. Challenge me. And be creative yourself. I can’t see everything, and I need others to help conceptualize this.
I find it ironic that a “black” man whose family owned slaves has tried to put himself into history by comparing himself to MLK and recreated a march in Birmingham, only to sign a modern day slavery bill for America’s youth.
Yes. Ironic indeed.
All is not yet lost…(or I have raised another member of the revolution)
My teenage son was just now telling me about the assignment he has for English to create a brochure. His is about Global Warming…. With some trepidation, I inquired, “Is this satire ?” He answered, “As a matter of fact, YES!”
I love my son very much!
It is a very intriguing idea and one I will think about. I would hope, however, that my husband would get on board with it. We have been filing jointly for 40 years. It might be a bit strange for us to change to single now. I would have to ask him what he thinks. He is pretty much a straight-arrow, and I have my doubts as to whether he would buy into it, although he has agree to attend the next protest gathering with me! He is still giving Obama the benefit of the doubt in a few things…but is definitely coming around.
Baby steps, Scrappy…
baby steps.
I’d appreciate your thoughts. Like I say, challenge me on this. Think with me.
How do you pull together enough people willing to do a thing like that without alerting the IRS to the intent? Wouldn’t they shut it down immediately, somehow? For it to work, it would have to involve hundreds of thousands of people. Maybe distribute information at a tea party? I don’t know. However it is done, there is a good chance it would be discovered before it ever got off the ground.
Well, I just mentioned the idea to my husband and he pretty much blew a gasket. He said, NO WAY. It is a dangerous thing to do and would be big trouble. He said there would be huge fines because it would be considered tax evasion. We are on a fixed income and that would be disaster. So, while the idea is definitely intriguing, I would have to say we would not participate. Sorry. I know you are trying to come up with a plan to help get the country back. Just not sure this is the way.
I assure you it would not. There is no intent to evade tax liability. That is required.
Many thousands of Americans do it now…for less pure reasons…and without any political impact.
If you don’t pay your taxes, isn’t that evading them? Or are you suggesting ONLY that people increase their deductions, invest the difference using essentially “government money”, and then paying your taxes using your actual deductions? Is the purpose to tie up the money so the government can’t use it, but to pay your taxes when due? If that is the case, then there should be no problem. I did that once back in the days when I was really broke and knew I would have more money by tax time. I claimed 8 deductions as a single woman! Then I had to pay in a lot of money at tax time when I claimed 1 dependant. Apparently, that is o.k.
Rags – Just exactly what would that accomplish? They’d still get their money on tax day.
The real civil disobedience that would actually accomplish something would be for a large swath of Americans to NOT pay their taxes at all!
But to just change witholding and then pay on April 15th would accomplish nothing that I can see.
No, not without more. There has to be an intent to misrepresent your income, take known wrongful deductions or expenses, etc., and an overt act to further that intent.
This is from Wikipedia, but it will give you a thread to research:
“Tax evasion usually entails taxpayers deliberately misrepresenting or concealing the true state of their affairs to the tax authorities to reduce their tax liability, and includes, in particular, dishonest tax reporting (such as declaring less income, profits or gains than actually earned; or overstating deductions).”
Generally, an affirmative act of fraud is connected with evasion. I am also a Member of the Assoc. Of Cert. Fraud Examiners, so I know of what I speak.
Rags – The government will continue on credit until April 15th and get their money then.
I appreciate that you are thinking outside the box… but it will not work. And to keep it clandestine is even worse. They would not understand the reason revenues are dropping. Or worse, think revenues are dropping so much they need to raise taxes even more.
They MUST understand that it is We the People who are DEMANDING change.
Rags…My husband and I are retired and collect SS and money from our investments. It is pretty evident what our tax deductions should be. I don’t think we could get away with suddenly claiming a bunch of dependents!
I don’t suggest we leave it with them. I’m sorry not to have responded to your earlier post. W-2 wage earners would increase their deductions to the max. Come Tax Day, they would simply not file or send a check.
The self-employed or retired would not file quarterly, and would not file Tax Day.
I don’t mean to be pressing, but please tell me why?
I agree. Please see my posts above.
I think it cannot be covert. It has to be notorious, open, and in-their-faces. We cannot be allowed to be depicted as “tax cheaters”. We have to be seen as people who are in revolt…
non-violent, deliberate, and reasoned revolt.
Beyond that, we have to have a clear goal.
More on that later.
Okay… I must have misread you. You seemed to be saying to simply change witholding and then pay up.
If people change witholding and don’t pay up, that’s illegal. Which is fine by me. Enough people do it and it might accomplish our designs. I just don’t know how you’re telling Happy it’s not illegal. And someone above spelled it out how I interpreted it and you didn’t correct them as far as I could see.
If you’re talking actual TAX REVOLT… I agree that it could indeed work.
It is certainly illegal. It is not criminal.
Riding the bus as Rosa Parkes did was illegal, as was sitting at the soda fountain illegal for the people who did it during the civil rights movement.
Civil disobedience is always an act of doing what the government declares illegal. In its pure form, it requires that you face the music, too. It INSISTS that the law deal with you to its fullest extent. That is where the moral lesson is taught to our larger society.
That’s why it can’t be ad hoc, covert, or spun as “cheating”.
I changed my W4 as soon as they passed the porkulus bill. They can wait for my money. At least I can get 4% on it until I file next year.
Joy,
A few other thoughts…
While there is safety in numbers, this is not a riskless endeavor. Some of us…especially people like me, who have to answer to a State Bar for our rice bowl…could easily pay for our participation.
Part of the organization that needs to be put together would include a “Relief Team”, who’s job it would be to mitigate the effects of being picked out of the school. It would also require, as I’ve said, a Legal Team…composed of smarter, more specialized attorneys than me.
All of that is do-able. We have examples, and we have very bright, creative people who will join and develop new modes and tactics.
See? You’re a trend-maker…!!!
STARVE THE BEAST!
I don’t know about that. I will pay my taxes next year. All I know is when I saw them pass that piece of crap I had to do something other than write countless letters, emails, faxes and make phone calls.
I understand, but you are headed in the right direction.
Please, just keep an open mind. Give this a place in your thoughts.
Oh, this has been in my thoughts for many years. I just know that actually getting enough people to do it seems impossible. But, I will be watching.
All I could ask of you.
I hope you’ll have something to see…
If you OWE taxes on april 15 in Commiefornia, you have to figure what your penalty is too….yes, even if you pay in full the entire bill.
b/tards
Golly… Kind of like the Stalinist practice of making you pay for your own bullet when they shot you…
You folks are missing the point about the GIVE/SERVE bill entirely. While I agree it’s an expensive boondoggle, it’s much more than that. It is Hitler Youth and Nazi Brownshirts all rolled up into one. By distracting us and focusing our attention on the trumped up fiscal emergency and massive spending, Obama is sneaking this stuff past us right under our noses, and we’re too wrapped up in the tax and spending aspects to see the direct challenge to our free republic.
Brown Shirts are much more expensive now than they were in the late 30’s, early 40’s.
This bill is a step right out of Hugo Chavez’ playbook.
Build up government street forces ready to respond 24/7 to intimidate any political opposition, get out the fraud vote, and help in disbursing Chicago style grease.