Public to White House: Move on; Pentagon prepares to release more torture photos
Results from the latest Rasmussen poll show a public more in tune with Dick Cheney than George Soros:
Fifty-eight percent (58%) believe the Obama administration’s recent release of CIA memos about the harsh interrogation methods used on terrorism suspects endangers the national security of the United States. The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that 28% believe the release of the memos helps America’s image abroad.
Thirty-seven percent (37%) of voters now believe the U.S. legal system worries too much about protecting individual rights when national security is at stake. But 21% say the legal system is too concerned about protecting national security. Thirty-three percent (33%) say the balance between the two is about right.
This reflects a significant shift over the past couple of years. In several surveys conducted during 2008, Americans were fairly evenly divided as to whether our legal system worried too much about individual rights or too much about protecting national security…
…Forty-six percent (46%) of voters disagree with Obama’s decision to close the prison camp for terrorism suspects at the Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba, while 36% agree with the president’s action. Support for the decision has fallen since the president announced it in January.
Thus, Obama has backtracked on his openness to a Truth Commission. Another day, another flip-flop.
Nancy Pelosi prevaricates.
But, oh, Chinese Gitmo detainees may be coming to a neighborhood near you!
For the first time since taking office, President Barack Obama will see his Guantanamo policy tested before the US Supreme Court after 14 Chinese Uighurs detained without charge lodged a petition for their release.
The nine justices will decide this summer whether to hear the case that was filed Monday by the men asking the country’s high court to lift a bar imposed on their release by a federal court of appeals.
The 14, members of the predominantly Muslim and Turkic-speaking Uighur minority who were captured in Afghanistan in late 2001, have been cleared of accusations that they were “enemy combatants,” but legal wrangling over their fate continues.
The case has become a major political headache for the Obama administration, which has sought to avoid a major diplomatic bust-up with China at the same time as unpicking detention policies of the preceding administration of president George W. Bush.
Should the court opt to hear the case it could find itself embroiled in the establishment of new rules governing the detention of terror suspects, analysts say…
…The Defense Department and the State Department have tried unsuccessfully for several years to arrange the transfer of the Uighurs to a third country, saying they face the risk of persecution if they return to China.
The Obama administration has said it “cannot imagine” sending the inmates back to China.
Beijing regards the men as “Chinese terrorists.”
Baker Manning said a diplomatic solution could be found “for the vast majority” of Guantanamo detainees, but that the case of the Uighurs is “highly political.”
“China made clear to any country in the world that it would not be in their interest to take these men,” she said. “China has enormous diplomatic pressure on all other countries.”
Should the court reverse the lower court’s February decision and order the Uighurs freed, a US source speaking on the condition of anonymity said there was a possibility that they could be released in the US capital.
“This is now President Obama’s Guantanamo,” said Emi McLean, an attorney at the Center for Constitutional Rights, evoking US courts’ repudiation of Bush’s policy on the “war on terror” detention center three times in recent years.
“If (Obama) is truly committed to closing the detention center, these men should be on a plane to restart their lives in the United States.”
Montana, here they come?
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Meanwhile, brace for this:
The Pentagon on Thursday agreed to release photos showing the treatment of prisoners in Afghanistan and Iraq, images that the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) says prove that detainee abuse was widespread during the Bush administration.
In a letter to the U.S. District Court Judge Alvin Hellerstein, Acting U.S. Attorney Lev Dassin said the Defense Department will release photos in response to a lawsuit filed by the ACLU in 2004. Officials are processing 44 photos plus “a substantial number of other images,” and will release them on May 28.
The ACLU had made a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to release the photos, and filed the lawsuit when it was denied by the Bush administration. A 2006 court ruling ordered 21 photos of prisoner treatment in Afghanistan and Iraq released, and the U.S. Court of Appeals last September upheld that ruling.
The Pentagon will not appeal the case to the Supreme Court, Dassin said in the letter.
Wonder if Rosa Brooks will be involved.
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Ed Morrissey on the White House admission that the release of the OLC memos was an explicitly political response to Dick Cheney:
Instead of the headlines being about what the Bush administration sanctioned, they became about Nancy Pelosi’s denial and then non-denial of her knowledge on waterboarding interrogations, the success of the interrogations in preventing an attack, and Obama’s lack of testicular fortitude in sticking with his original position to let sleeping dogs lie. Small wonder that he began backtracking in earnest yesterday when meeting with Congressional leaders.
Now we have confirmation that Obama planned this all along as a political attack against a man who hardly matters on the national political scene any longer – or at least he didn’t until Obama decided to pick a fight with him. Just as with his strange attack on Rush Limbaugh, all it did was elevate his opponent and diminish himself.
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But this is the inevitable outcome of the Left’s point of view isn’t it? Bush/Cheney were wrong, we acted illegally, the terrorist are then “victims” of that illegal activity and deserve compensation and Bush/Cheney/and others are criminals and should be punished.
The only way to change that formula and outcome is to change the belief it is founded on. Obama wants to have it both ways. Blow smoke up the Left’s behind but do not carry out the formula to its logical end. The only way he avoids the logical end is to tell the Left that the LEFT is wrong, not Bush/Cheney.
Interesting situation he has caused himself. Very interesting.
I think they should be FREED, and given welfare, as long as they live in DC or NYC!!
let them liberal chickens come home to roost…boom.
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Let’s SPREAD THE TERRORISTS (like spreading the wealth) around the country.
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One third of them can live at Harry Reid’s house. One third can live at Nancy Pelosi’s house. And the White House has a lot of extra rooms–one third can live with the Messiah.
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Hope and Change I can believe in.
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John Bibb
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Don’t leave out San Francisco!
I think Pelosi has some jobs they can do around her home.
2010 cannot get here fast enough. The Manchurian Candidate and his Congressional minions (both aided by the puppet media) are hard at work destroying our Country.
And yet they are Chinese citizens. So by not sending them back to China because we don’t want them tortured (as in real torture, not waterboarding and The View Re-runs) aren’t we involving ourselves in a sovereign nation’s internal affairs? Isn’t that the left’s complaint about Iraq?
Personally I don’t care if they are tortured in China. They were captured on the battlefield in Afghanistan. Either keep them as prisoners of war or send them back to their home countries. Allowing them to stay here is stupid beyond common sense. If we do release them into public financed housing, it should at least be in a liberal/sanctuary city, like San Francisco, New York, Chicago, etc.
I think we should use waterboarding, or in words Napolitano would prefer, a “neti pot demonstration”, on Nancy Pelosi to find out if she was told about harsh interrogation methods or not. Let’s make sure the accusers are themselves without sin first and not complicent in approving its use.
I keep hearing from the Obama spokesmen that no one is above the law and should be prosecuted. I’d say start with all the Obama appointees. All of them appear to have broken the law. Where is the outcry from the liberals? Where are the Nostrildamus investigations?
The misunderstood,repentant, former terrorists can be released in areas that understand that they were probably abused as children, just acting up, and need a good talking to; say; California, Massachusetts,Minnesota, Murtha’s Pennsylvania, DC, and NY. Oh, be sure and give them driver’s licenses.
Yet the trolls will come in here defending their man. Liberals are so fascist, they have to have leaders to tell them what to feel. The only heartfelt dissent I ever see are from blogs like these. We skewer Republicans, blame them for when they are shortsighted and when they do not hold fast to Conservative values. The tea parties were not friendly to Republican politicians wishing to grandstand. I sure am glad I was not born with the propensity to be a brain dead lefty waiting to defend my master leaders. That job seems to take up most of their time.
Looks like Holder knows he has a problem and is stalling on acknowledging the memo’s Cheney is asking to be released even exist.
Totally political US Attorney. Amazing.
Liberal logic dictates that the secrecy and maltreatment of prisoners of the previous administration created more terrorists, but that releasing pictures of alleged prisoner abuse will make us safe.
Sure, why not? Pigs fly.
Fixed it for this idiot.
Seriously, what’s the problem here? These particular detainees are Chinese. Send them back to China. We’re so worried about our international reputation–why don’t we show the Chinese how wonderful we are by returning to them their countrymen.
What am I missing?
Why don’t we trade the Chinese Muslim Terrorists to the Chinese in exchange for some of our debt?
I am fed up with these weekly “surprizes” from the Obama administration. I am almost afraid to turn on the television for fear of what these buffoons have cooked up next. This release of CIA memos and subsequent demoralization of our front-line defense against terrorism is nothing short of HIGH TREASON against the people of the United States of America. In my last job I had regular access to the highest classified information. If I had decided to reveal even the smallest bit of this information, I would be in prison today. WHAT IN THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?? It is one thing to slap hands and jive with dictators and enemies of the United States. It is another, quite different thing, to give away our secret interrogation techniques over the protests of former CIA bosses who are experts in this highly classified area. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE AND A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL OF US WHO HAVE LABORED IN THE “SHADOWS” ALL OF OUR LIVES TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. HOW DARE YOU MR PRESIDENT, HOW DARE YOU TO RECKLESSLY RISK THE LIVES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY CARELESSLY GIVING AWAY SUCH SENSITIVE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO OUR ENEMIES! YOU ARE A PITIFUL DISGRACE TO YOUR OFFICE AND YOUR COUNTRY BY YOUR ARROGANT, RECKLESS, REPUGNANT BEHAVIOR. THE SOONER WE GET YOU IMPEACHED, THE BETTER.
Prendad, isn’t it scary that you, to have a top secret clearance had to have your background picked apart so that you could be given that trust, but the commander in chief probably could not pass a background investigation to gain a top security clearance if he had to go through the same scrutiny you were given. Just wanted to point that out.
This is all well orchestrated:
The PRIMARY responsibility of the government is to protect its citizens. This is what the Obama administration is attacking. It wants to replace it with “protecting the planet” instead. So that eventually it can eliminate nationalism all together.
While conservatives have been trying to be morally right, the left has been waging a war. They are controlling the debate. That is why Obama HAS BEEN moving quickly from one topic to another putting the right in a vice.
Time to quit focusing on Obama and start focusing on the purpose of government. Way things are going we may have to worry about starting a new one.
This is the most lightweight, incompetent, and amateurish administration the country has ever seen. No gravitas, no wisdom, no foresight, no plan. They are clearly in way over their heads on every single issue. Criminy sakes alive!
How much longer can the syncophant MSM press corps prop this little guy up?
Good point and this has always bugged me how carelessly that sensitive, classified information is handled by people in the government, particularly members of congress, who have no clue as to it’s potential explosive potential to harm our country’s security.
You mean the nutroots aren’t mainstream? It’s impossible. I refuse to believe it. This poll has to be a right wing lie. Let’s see what CNN’s polling says.
Repeat as necessary until the desired results are acheived.
Meanwhile…the Taliban are getting very close to having nuclear weapons and materials, being just a mere 60 miles outside of Islamabad. Gird your loins!!
Thanks…..
prendad: America bought a very bad package in November. My gut feeling is that the worst is yet to come.
Obama dares because He can. Your friends and neighbors allowed that by putting him in office. The same fools that voted in a Socialist Majority in Congress.
I do not have “buyers remorse” because I did not vote for the SOB. I share your concerns but short of a 2nd American Revolution, We are stuck with this treason, incompetence and outcomes for a while. Hold your Values and Patriotism. That will take our country back in time. America has not had it’s nose rubbed into that bad choice enough yet. Stay strong and know…Resistance is building and will prevail.
Does anyone believe that Obama and his administration give one hoot and damned what the American people think? If you do , you need to be committed.
Is that the 3AM Phone call that Obama won’t answer because it is Wednesday night and the band is too loud?
It’s what this administration is doing that we are not privy to that worries me. All this is nothing more than smoke, mirrors, and deception. His supporters are deluding themselves that they will be the last eaten. Once he puts the Repubs in their place, the Dems are next and will never see it coming until it’s too late. This man and his minions are neither liberal nor conservative and have their own agenda.
Thank you for your kind words. I had thought that after a career of defending my country I would be able to sit on my porch and smell the roses in my golden years. Instead, I am forced to deal with this. I have always been ready to defend my country against all enemies, foreign and domestic. I just never believed that the enemy would be my own government.
Actually he leaves the phone off the hook. Those 3 AM calls can really be annoying.
I do think Obama and the Left very much care about what the American people FEEL. I think I agree that Obama and his cohorts care very little about what the American people THINK.
That is what is wrong with the mindset and strategy of the right/conservatives.
We conduct the debate on facts. I would say most of us do have mixed feelings about the handling of prisoners to obtain information. But the facts demonstrate that despite our feelings, we can agree with the actions necessary to obtain information. As conservatives we let our minds and the facts rule, not our feelings.
The left is about feelings. Good intentions that create good feelings. Perceptions that are designed to generate good feelings. The Left both wants and needs themselves and others to “feel” good regardless of the reality of a thing being good or not.
So it FEELS yuky to acknowledge how prisoners were treated so something about it has to be wrong/bad/illegal.
That’s the end of their argument.
For the right/conservatives to then say “Well the FACTS are….” is irrelevant.
The Left does not work on facts.
They will instead use their FEELINGS to contort the facts into a system that affirms and confirms their FEELINGS.
Exactly what has happened with the memos Holder has “found” and the ones he can’t “find”.
They can not release nor acknowledge ANY fact that confronts their feelings and then demands they change their feelings. That for us as conservatives is something we willingly do, for leftist-liberals they simply can not do. Labeling their feelings as flawed or suspect is impossible for them. It simply can’t be done.
WHY are there photos? Shut the door, do your business, get the information, save lives, but DO NOT TAKE PICTURES!
A one time investment in downtown San Fran real estate is probably about the same amount of money as keeping these guys for a year. Move ‘em in to Nancy’s neighborhood. She and her pals are so concerned about these murderer’s welfare, let’s move ‘em there and give her a taste of it. Do it in the name of “Fiscal Conservatism”.
What’s that Nan? Don’t want them in your neighborhood? How could that be? You are so open and giving..
28 years Army for me and I don’t like what I am seeing but will not stand idle and allow it to happen. Some things need to be spoken. Others need to be un-spoken. We are Oathkeepers, not victims. Thanks for Your service!
How can Zero diminish himself? There are negative numbers in math, not reality.
Perhaps the administration can respond to the threat by having the Civil Defense (if it still exists) rerun those “duck and cover” films from the 50′s, and the annoying one minute “alerts” that used to come on public radios periodically that, in the event of a real situation, let us know our a$$es were about to be vaporized.
Agreed.
I cannot recommend enough to you to read “The Ominous Parallels” by Leonard Peikoff, about Weimar Germany, written in 1982.
I nod my head so often that my neck hurts.
So eerily prescient about our present dangerous situation, similar to the way “Atlas Shrugged” is.
BTW, Ayn Rand wrote the introduction to “The Ominous Parallels”.
Well you can’t say ol’ Joe didn’t warn us.
The Obama administration is composed of dangerous and malevolent fools and evil people who are intent on destroying our country and re-shaping it in a radical mode that simply will not work except for the rulers.
This is what it comes down to for the traitors we now have in the White House – they’d let a city of 100,000 people perish before they’d stick a terrorist’s head underwater for 20 seconds to get him to tell us where a bomb is.
Can anyone enlighten me??? In the entire history of this GREAT COUNTRY, has any new administration so MALICIOUSLY ATTACKED the previous administration??? I can’t recall any… This is just one more reason for me to dislike this administration… His attacks on BUSH and CHENEY are beyond the pale, and CHEAPEN the office of PRESIDENT… This seems to bear no consequence to O-BOZO, and his minions in the MSM… Please, give me the PATIENCE to make it until 2010!!!
I hear you! 27 years in the Navy for me, mostly overseas at places that do not exist. Thanks for YOUR service also my friend and let us keep the fires of liberty burning bright!
The ACLU working hard to endanger our country and protect the enemy.
Why do we tolerate the ACLU?
I thought ACLU stood for American Civil Liberties Union. Detainees are neither criminals nor are they American.
and why are the photos being released Memorial Day week? May God forgive me, but I hate this administration. They want us dead, including my son. There are times, seriously, when I go into my footlocker and pull out the jungle utilities, boonie hat and say… you’re really asking for us to follow the advice of Thomas Jefferson and others when they could foresee the destruction of our country.
Why more photos? Have the liberals become desensitized to the Abu Graib photos and need more stimulation? I’m beginning to think they’re nothing but a bunch of perverts who are into sadomasochism and pornography.
With his vacillation on whether to criminalize the Bush Administration, Hope-a-Dope is becoming America’s Louis XVI: Both of them being profoundly weak characters, more interested in enjoying the perks of their position than in actually leading … and who as a result let whomever they last spoke to make their decisions for them.
Stick around long enough, and just about everything comes back in fashion. In this case, we’ve got the return of “The Woodrow Wilson Tango:”
One step forward,
Two steps back,
A side-step;
And a moment of hesitation!
This should be your banner, MM.
All hell should be breaking loose right now over this news, and because you have taken the responsibility of informing the citizenry, it should be your lead story, particularly in light of this.
America has been set up.
There is so much in this post.
What should be done with the people who were taken to Gitmo and were found not to be enemy combatants, as the 14 Chinese Uighurs were?
I haven’t had a chance to read the comments yet. We are leaving soon to be at the hospital for the birth of our third grandchild! I just wanted to say, it was obvious from the start what the agenda was. Why would they release such “damaging” and top-secret memos without also sharing the RESULTS of the interrogation methods used? Let the people see the WHOLE TRUTH, not just the piddly little half-truths that are usually dished out by this administration. Transparency, my A#$! The only think transparent in this administration is their leftist agenda and their enormous push for “payback”. A bunch of sickos! Disgusting filth, every last one of them. I pray for the day they get the punishment they deserve.
If China won’t take them, and we certainly don’t want them here in the US, I say we walk them to the Gitmo fence line, point to the other side and say, “You’re free to go. Have a nice life.”
And Andrew Sullivan gets several new ideas of things to try out on The Boyfriend, or Husbear, or whatever he’s calling his pitcher these days.
It’s horrible to realize that the enemy has been elected as president of the United States.
I was hoping that I was wrong before the election, but I’m finding that not only was I right, but it’s far worse that even I imagined!!
Congratulations Happy! My best wishes to you and yours today…tgr
If 0bama can damage his political enemies then he will do it, no matter what the cost. He is running a campaign at our expense. If it by chance is good for national security, then that is just a unintentional consequence.
Is there any more doubt that these insane creeps are more interested in terrorist rights and revenge than they are in the lives of the people in this country? Do we need any more proof of their treason? When are we going to wake up and start prosecuting and impeaching each and every one of these traitors????
So the U.N. piling on too. This is going to be really interesting and a defining moment for Obama.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97OTG5G0&show_article=1
How do you diminish zero?
GOD HELP US!! We’d probably be safer with the former terrorists than we are with this administration. I cry everyday for my country. SHOW ME THE DAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE NOW!!
You just might be more accurate in your assessment than you know.
This was also part of Weimar Germany.
Again, I recommend “The Ominous Parallels” by Leonard Peikoff.
Here’s a liberal blog point of view you might think about: You call Obama a Fascist, but it’s you guys who approve of government sponsored torture.
It seems that Cheney wanted these people tortured not because they weren’t providing information, but because they weren’t talking about operational ties between Al Qaeda and Saddam.
It turns out that many of those heightened alert (those funny colors orange and yellow, etc) were based on fake information those people gave to avoid torture. Heckuvajob.
Why don’t you shut up, you little creep? I am sick of listening to your lying, traitorous drivel. You are just like the rest of them and you are complicit in destroying my country. Just shut up.
We need to start demanding the airing of the beheading that was done by AQ.. This is preposterous that they would release Gitmo photos.. What is happening, I am more afraid now than I have EVER been..
Just a passing observation, but I don’t think that fascism is defined by torture. It is much more accurately described as rule that exalts public good over the rights of the individual, and stands for a central autocratic government that enforces severe economic and social regulations and regimentation.
High speed train anyone? It’s for the public good.
Afraid…yes. And to make it even more scary is the fact that the Taliban is moving toward the capitol of Pakisatan. You know, that Arab country that has nukes?? We had a chance to get the head of the taliban years ago, but we were too afraid to drop the bomb on him because of possible reprecussions. Imagine that! What will this administration do about this? Probably nothing. And soon, these creatures from the 3rd century will have their claws on nukes. Forget Iran…Pakistan is more of a threat right now!
Was my misspelling a freudian slip????
but it’s you guys who approve of government sponsored torture.”
Wow, racist, leftist, wrong all at the same time.
We approve of preserving life and defending our own countrymen. Something evidently several politicians on the left also approved of.
lgm’s best is to make up straw men by misframing issues in his favor. Gee, there’s a new tactic hey?
from which he gets his orders.
lgm…While you are worrying about the poor little terrorists “rights”, just think about the rights they afforded Daniel Pearle. Enough said.
That was a very flawed poll, it did not ask straight up if releasing the documents endangered national security instead it asked..
“Does the release of CIA memos on interrogation techniques help the image of the United States abroad or does it endanger the national security of the United States?”
I would probably answer no on this based on the fact it doesnt help the US image. It is a loaded question, asking two questions in one. It seems to be a poll trying to make a partisan poll. I would be interesting in seeing a real poll on the matter.
“Give me dat fillum! Give me dat fillum!”
- Gene Roth (DUNKED IN THE DEEP, 1949)
You know what I want to see?
I want the MSM to Broadcast the Planes flying into the WTC, and I want them to show the people jumping out of the upper floors, and I want the MSM to Broadcast the Beheading of Nick Burg, and the Enemy Combatant hanging the Marines Chard bodies from a Bridge.
THOSE ARE WHAT I WANT TO SEE!
I’m SICK OF THIS CRAP!!!!!
If these people HATE America so much… THEN LEAVE! Dont let the door hit ya were the Good Lord Slit Ya!
I wonder how those photos compare to the activities that take place during an average gay pride parade?
Right now Obama & his Merry Band of America haters are Threat #1.
Thanks, You 53 % of Fools that elected Obama. We will deal with you in time.
Saving America will include eliminating You.
Agreed.
That question sort of reminds me of the silly jokes that would make the rounds back in college, such as: “Do you walk to work, or do you carry your own lunch?”
Hey, it was the early 70s.
And, don’t blame me…I didn’t make it up.
Maybe while the Libtards are at it, they’ll sue India to release the pictures of the Mumbai Massacre.
Yeah, those pics of nude, eviscerated bodies will really get the ole ALCU “puppies” fired up against terrorist.
Oh, wait, I forgot. The dead deserved to be sexual violated and mutilated. They worked and frequented “Western-style” wealthy haunts. /sarc off
Can’t disagree with you!!
Why are you taking Pres Bush to task for not getting the head of the Taliban? And, wasn’t it then Senator Obama who said he wanted to pursue the Taliban in Pakistan? When he said this, he was taken to task.
Your question has already been answered.
Week In Review The Tortured Edition.
They are.
BS. One account I saw said that one of these guys – during the biggest boom in Chinese history, when everyone went to the big cities for jobs, went to Tora Bora to “look for work”. The locals outed him to the CIA. You have to be a nitwit to think he’s not involved. They are Chinese citizens rounded up on a battlefield, they should be returned to China.
zzyzz; since these were just misplaced chinese citizens who just happened to wander out of northwest china across a couple of countries and wound up in afghanistan, let’s send them back to china. i’m sure the chinese will understand their walkabout once it is explained, and they will not be tortured or even talked mean to, by the compassionate chicoms.
lgm; since you believe nothing on this blog as true, why do you believe those liberal blogs as factual? if so, go there, and leave us delusional whacko’s without your wit and wisdom.
You cannot leave China without the proper documents. To show up on battlefields in Afghanistan and Iraq means they are already Chinese lawbreakers. There is no serious reasonable explanation for them to be there that doesn’t involve some nefarious purpose. Returning them to the Chinese makes sense.
OK.
Say what?? I am not totally getting your point. What questions has already been answered? I was taking Pres. Bush to task for not getting Omar because it was on his watch. I am saying that Obama is sitting around playing with his doggie (take that any way you want) while Pakistan is being invaded by the taliban. Will we do anything? I haven’t heard anything from him about the subject, have you?? I am not saying we should INVADE Pakistan! I would just like to hear that maybe Obama, or Hillary or someone is partnering with the heads of Pakistan to deal with this very dangerous situation. What are they saying about this? Or are they too busy obfuscating the issue, yet again? This is definitely their MO…if they don’t know what to do, because they are stupid and inexperienced, then just distract the dumb citizens and they won’t notice that the POTUS is an inexperience dim bulb taking orders from George Soros.
You’ve given us unnecessary information, lgm. We know ALL of your posts are cut-and-paste from libtard blogs.
Obama cannot possibly consider relocating these “quasi-terrorists” into the United States. To do so would justify many comments that claim he has no real core beliefs. Forcing the Uihgurs to live in this “downright mean country” is tantamount to torture, and we all know, he is a strong believer in human rights (just ask all those poor, innocent civilians killed in the Predator attacks since he’s been President…oh, wait…you can’t. They’re dead!)
Does this include the United States? Is our President, Mr. Jumpy McFrog creating an international incident should he bring them into our fold? Reports say he is considering a release point to be Washington, D.C. You don’t suppose he has jobs waiting for them, do you? Let’s keep close watch on members of this administration, and pro-release Congress members, to see if any of these “innocent” men find employment in their households, perhaps as housekeepers, groundsmen, chauffeurs, etc.
Of course, $13 billion has been set aside, for immigrant stimulus, health care, education, and housing, so no “new” money needs to be earmarked for this adventure in neo-marxism.
McCloud9 said (#68):
They have, over and over. We understand that bad guys are bad.
old trooper said (#70):
Right wing fantasies: sex and violence.
cheapseat said (#77):
I reported an opinion, not a fact, from a liberal blog. That said, I also think liberal blogs (the main stream ones: tpm, brad delong, ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias) have more reliable facts than conservative blogs in general and MM in particular.
Remember: the U S of A does not do the things terrorists. We don’t target innocent civilians. We don’t torture, period. If someone tortures in the name of the United States Government, that person belongs in jail.
the cowardly idiots from the aclu and those in congress are little more than gutless parasites.
Talk about torture, Obama and his administration is slowing torturing us on a daily basis! IMPEACHMENT can’t come soon enough and all this just after 100 days in office!
lgm,
Still waiting for your answers to my global warming questions……. While I am waitng, here is an opinion question for you.
In terms of misery and suffering, if you want to press charges for bad advice given to a President, who caused more suffering, the JD lawyers who briefed Bush on interrogation methods or the people who briefed LBJ on the supposed facts concerning the Tonkin Gulf incident in 1964?
Do you support investigating them for the obviously false information given to LBJ, which launched a full scale sustained bombing campaign (carpet bombing I might add) and ultimately caused the committment of US ground forces?
Let’s see, 480 guys who got their hair mussed at Gitmo. By contrast, after Tonkin Gulf in 1964 we took @57,000 dead; the North @1.2 million dead, the South around 700,000 dead, …. and…oh yes there is a small matter of 1.8 million dead Cambodians, 25% of their population.
Whatcha think?
LGM
The United States can and should do anything and everything to acquire assets and information that will defeat an enemy, and save American lives. I, for one, will never regret what I “might” have done in Vietnam. Screw you and your weak kneed philosophy of failure and cowardice. Try having freedom without security,numbnuts… that quote from Franklin you guys use about freedom vs security is bogus BTW he never said it
Waterboarding Shmauterboarding! Here’s what the o-so-gentille Brits used to do to the Irish!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Hanging
You’re thinking of professional football.
Dude, why? Trying to pin down a progressive on any issue, is like trying to catch a greased pig in an open field. Their answers bend and flow like the wind, and like the wind, they are fleeting. The only reliable aspect of verbal engagement with a liberal, is the fact that no matter what, their answers blow.
We should know by now that trying to engage the left in polite, intelligent discourse only enables them to froth and spew propaganda, and nonsense. My humble opinion.
Or basketball.
We give China “Most Favored Nation Trading Status”, the current Administration kisses their shiny butts every chance they get and, our Chief Executive apparently carries a Little Red Book around with him (OK, I’m not absolute on that one but it certainly seems to be true). Let’s face it, China is our friend. Why couldn’t we repatriate known terrorists back to a friendly nation with whom we do a veeeeeery large amount of business?
I mean, honestly, if they are good enough to trade with, why should we be concerned about how they treat their criminals? If it is simply the Death Penalty that is a problem, we have a Capital standard so how could that be considered cruel?
Obviously, many of these points are facetious. However, I realy do not see a reason why we shouldn’t give them right over to the Chi-Coms. They are terrorists. If American Terrorists were found in China, we would be very happy if the Commies gave them back to us.
Just to round this off, I have to say I am all in favor of closing Guantanamo Bay. As long as the inmates are executed on Television, wrapped in pig skins and buried after nightfall facing west. Alternately, they could be housed with John Murtha. Give them the choice (I bet they would have to think about it for a while.)
Did it ever occur to you that they might have just been seeking a better life for their families? They are honest, hard working people who are being exploited as cheap labor.
Whoops, wrong border crossing. My bad.
Yes, they only wanted in-state tuition at Tora Bora Universitora. (It’s a “boys” school…no drinking in the frat houses though – but an occasional midnight beheading)
What can we do?? There is nothing we can do. Nothing we can do. There is nothing we can do. No, we can’t. No, we can’t. No, no puede. No, no puede. Hate crimes legislation? Check. Unfettered access to abortion at taxpayer expense? Check. Criminalize prisoner interrogation during wartime? Check. Marginalize and oppress free speech? Check. Gun control? Check. Limitless bordes? Check.
There is nothing we can do. No, no puede.
(that’s “limitless borders”)
This is wonderful!
When will the US Government reveal to the public the procedures used by al Qaeda, Hamas, Hizbollah, al Aqsa Martyr’s Brigade, al Islamia, and other hate filled, blood and death, torture and terror phanatics (spelling phanicts for “fanatics” intentional)?
When will the US government reveal to the public video and photographs of tortured living human beings sadistically harassed, humiliated, tortured, and slaughtered in barbaric, horrific ways?
When will al Qaeda and others reveal THEIR documents, photographs, and video and film footage of their own acts of torture?
Will Barrack Hussein Obama and his administration be called on the carpet for slaughtering whole villages, killing entire families, ordering the bombings of innocent men, women, children, and babies in Pakistan?
Well?
Will there be transparency?
The two years Obama ran for the presidency he never had to run against McCain, he ran against Bush. It’s almost a hunderd days since he’s been elected and he is still running against Bush. I guess this is the Hope and Chains the democrats have promised.
Brilliant, rocketman!
You are a genius!!!!!!
William