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		<title>By: Michelle Malkin &#187; Flip-flop watch: Obama will now fight release of &#8220;torture&#8221; photos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Malkin &#187; Flip-flop watch: Obama will now fight release of &#8220;torture&#8221; photos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the administration that was against military tribunals before they were for them and which flip-flopped on a &#8220;truth commission&#8221; after a public backlash comes the decision to bail on the ACLU and fight the release of detainee &#8220;torture&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the administration that was against military tribunals before they were for them and which flip-flopped on a &#8220;truth commission&#8221; after a public backlash comes the decision to bail on the ACLU and fight the release of detainee &#8220;torture&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Rude News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Memo To Bruce Bawer &#38; Co.; Get Real</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Rude News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Memo To Bruce Bawer &#38; Co.; Get Real</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 22:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In this setting, it is easy to see how xenophobic groups, bigoted groups, and any other shady social groups, can take hold of the issue. The issue, was totally surrendered by the liberals. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In this setting, it is easy to see how xenophobic groups, bigoted groups, and any other shady social groups, can take hold of the issue. The issue, was totally surrendered by the liberals. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 100 DAYS &#38; 100 MONTHS: TORTURED BY LIBERALS (videos) &#171; FactReal</title>
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		<dc:creator>100 DAYS &#38; 100 MONTHS: TORTURED BY LIBERALS (videos) &#171; FactReal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Torture&#8221; Memos ● Interrogation Memos: Obama flip flop ● Rules of Waterboarding ● Obama to release photos of prisoners&#8217; treatment ● Detention of the Enemy During Wartime ● Set the Record Straight: Publish All Key Memos on CIA [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ragspierre</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-687555</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 12:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://townhall.com/columnists/MichaelBarone/2009/04/27/the_lefts_angry_mob_recalls_madame_defarge

A fine piece by Barone, who reminds us of things THE ONE has said that left open his techniques for getting information...</description>
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<p>A fine piece by Barone, who reminds us of things THE ONE has said that left open his techniques for getting information&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jsmiddleton4</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsmiddleton4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30415470/


Ah, the left&#039;s campaign in full swing now.  The current framing is no longer that it wasn&#039;t effective, it is that the effectiveness is &quot;unclear&quot;.

The only thing unclear would have been the air in where LA used to exist if the effectiveness of the interogation methods were unclear.....</description>
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<p>Ah, the left&#8217;s campaign in full swing now.  The current framing is no longer that it wasn&#8217;t effective, it is that the effectiveness is &#8220;unclear&#8221;.</p>
<p>The only thing unclear would have been the air in where LA used to exist if the effectiveness of the interogation methods were unclear&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: fgmorley</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-686835</link>
		<dc:creator>fgmorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Ragspierre:

Got to leave now. Been interesting and enlightening. Will read your blog link and get back at you. Looks as if you have some blogosphere presence as it stands.

Later...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Ragspierre:</p>
<p>Got to leave now. Been interesting and enlightening. Will read your blog link and get back at you. Looks as if you have some blogosphere presence as it stands.</p>
<p>Later&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ragspierre</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-686825</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here in Arizona many of us are pretty much going to concentrate on denying John McCain the nomination in his re-election bid for 2010.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wish you well, even as I doubt you can.  McAnus&#039;s Incumbent Protection Act (McCain-Feingold) is one of those structural reasons I keep referring to that will defeat people&#039;s attempts to make any real difference in DC.

I support your effort, though, and may send money to his opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here in Arizona many of us are pretty much going to concentrate on denying John McCain the nomination in his re-election bid for 2010.</p></blockquote>
<p>I wish you well, even as I doubt you can.  McAnus&#8217;s Incumbent Protection Act (McCain-Feingold) is one of those structural reasons I keep referring to that will defeat people&#8217;s attempts to make any real difference in DC.</p>
<p>I support your effort, though, and may send money to his opposition.</p>
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		<title>By: fgmorley</title>
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		<dc:creator>fgmorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On April 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

When some twit defends these Reasonable Restrictions with “you can’t yell Fire in a crowded theater” thank them for their brilliant insight and ignore the twit. And when they bring up Tim McVeigh ask if they are going to put ALL college graduates on the list–there was a college graduate once who broke a law.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hey, don&#039;t give them any more ideas. I hope you can make a dent there in AZ. I was wondering whether Goldwater was defeated after the &#039;64 election. I don&#039;t think so. This would put egg on McCain&#039;s face, and that&#039;s not a really bad thing.

In fact, I&#039;m all for throwing the bastards out, no matter who or what party. It hasn&#039;t been any particular party affiliation that has been the source of the problems for us. It&#039;s been the entrenched against us, who are in the trenches.

Of course I’m a raging right-wing fanatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On April 25th, 2009 at 3:17 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:</p>
<p>When some twit defends these Reasonable Restrictions with “you can’t yell Fire in a crowded theater” thank them for their brilliant insight and ignore the twit. And when they bring up Tim McVeigh ask if they are going to put ALL college graduates on the list–there was a college graduate once who broke a law.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hey, don&#8217;t give them any more ideas. I hope you can make a dent there in AZ. I was wondering whether Goldwater was defeated after the &#8216;64 election. I don&#8217;t think so. This would put egg on McCain&#8217;s face, and that&#8217;s not a really bad thing.</p>
<p>In fact, I&#8217;m all for throwing the bastards out, no matter who or what party. It hasn&#8217;t been any particular party affiliation that has been the source of the problems for us. It&#8217;s been the entrenched against us, who are in the trenches.</p>
<p>Of course I’m a raging right-wing fanatic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragspierre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ragspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fg...

When I went to law school, I also took a joint MBA program.  I&#039;d been in business, and wanted to get my ticket punched for all I&#039;d learned and all the self-study I&#039;d done.

It had the collateral benefit of keeping me sane (saner...?), as law schools are pure socialist indoctrination camps, utterly detached from reality as it exists.  Obama is a typical law school professor.

I have a piece on that subject at http://rags.blogtownhall.com/

I was active in The Federalist Society, which helped, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fg&#8230;</p>
<p>When I went to law school, I also took a joint MBA program.  I&#8217;d been in business, and wanted to get my ticket punched for all I&#8217;d learned and all the self-study I&#8217;d done.</p>
<p>It had the collateral benefit of keeping me sane (saner&#8230;?), as law schools are pure socialist indoctrination camps, utterly detached from reality as it exists.  Obama is a typical law school professor.</p>
<p>I have a piece on that subject at <a href="http://rags.blogtownhall.com/" rel="nofollow">http://rags.blogtownhall.com/</a></p>
<p>I was active in The Federalist Society, which helped, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: fgmorley</title>
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		<dc:creator>fgmorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On April 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, Ragspierre said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately, I am challenged in that technology, and have not found anyone to help me. I know I could pay for it, but don’t have the disposable income to do it up right. (It’s a myth that lawyers make a lot of money. Most don’t.)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I commiserate on your lack of web expertise. I am in the same boat. Good luck, fight the good fight. I would imagine in your profession it gets pretty effed up on a daily basis, dealing with the all the left-wing commie mofos that think they are saving the world, one war-crime at a time, or whatever they are into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On April 25th, 2009 at 3:08 pm, Ragspierre said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, I am challenged in that technology, and have not found anyone to help me. I know I could pay for it, but don’t have the disposable income to do it up right. (It’s a myth that lawyers make a lot of money. Most don’t.)</p></blockquote>
<p>I commiserate on your lack of web expertise. I am in the same boat. Good luck, fight the good fight. I would imagine in your profession it gets pretty effed up on a daily basis, dealing with the all the left-wing commie mofos that think they are saving the world, one war-crime at a time, or whatever they are into.</p>
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		<title>By: ArizonaNeanderthal</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-686802</link>
		<dc:creator>ArizonaNeanderthal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; On April 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, fgmorley said:

go for it AZ&lt;/blockquote&gt; :) thank you!

And to the other: yes all too many of us have been &quot;cowed-agreed to-been reasonable&quot; with and by the IRS and a whole alphabet of unconstitutional agencies, acts, bureaucratic regulations and such. Slowly, sometimes faster, they have been dismantling rule of law and the Rights of a Free People.  

So here and now we have to say not only STOP but start to roll them back. &lt;em&gt;Reasonable Restrictions&lt;/em&gt; on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Speech, Assembly and Property Rights have to be rolled back and repealed, the cowards who defend them voted out of office.

When some twit defends these &lt;em&gt;Reasonable Restrictions&lt;/em&gt; with &quot;you can&#039;t yell Fire in a crowded theater&quot; thank them for their brilliant insight and ignore the twit. And when they bring up Tim McVeigh ask if they are going to put ALL college graduates on the list--there was a college graduate once who broke a law.

If you are to stay with the Republican Party-at least for the short term- get involved at the precinct and county level. There you CAN and WILL get together with fellow Conservatives to knee cap some RINO ideas and candidates.
Here in Arizona many of us are pretty much going to concentrate on denying John McCain the nomination in his re-election bid for 2010. Two fold: we want to defeat him AND if he does lead the ticket we fear too many Conservatives will stay home and cost us in other races-it has happened before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> On April 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, fgmorley said:</p>
<p>go for it AZ</p></blockquote>
<p> <img src='http://michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  thank you!</p>
<p>And to the other: yes all too many of us have been &#8220;cowed-agreed to-been reasonable&#8221; with and by the IRS and a whole alphabet of unconstitutional agencies, acts, bureaucratic regulations and such. Slowly, sometimes faster, they have been dismantling rule of law and the Rights of a Free People.  </p>
<p>So here and now we have to say not only STOP but start to roll them back. <em>Reasonable Restrictions</em> on the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, Speech, Assembly and Property Rights have to be rolled back and repealed, the cowards who defend them voted out of office.</p>
<p>When some twit defends these <em>Reasonable Restrictions</em> with &#8220;you can&#8217;t yell Fire in a crowded theater&#8221; thank them for their brilliant insight and ignore the twit. And when they bring up Tim McVeigh ask if they are going to put ALL college graduates on the list&#8211;there was a college graduate once who broke a law.</p>
<p>If you are to stay with the Republican Party-at least for the short term- get involved at the precinct and county level. There you CAN and WILL get together with fellow Conservatives to knee cap some RINO ideas and candidates.<br />
Here in Arizona many of us are pretty much going to concentrate on denying John McCain the nomination in his re-election bid for 2010. Two fold: we want to defeat him AND if he does lead the ticket we fear too many Conservatives will stay home and cost us in other races-it has happened before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragspierre</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-686797</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 19:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for keeping an open mind.

I have to establish a web-site...that is apparent.

Unfortunately, I am challenged in that technology, and have not found anyone to help me.  I know I could pay for it, but don&#039;t have the disposable income to do it up right.  (It&#039;s a myth that lawyers make a lot of money.  Most don&#039;t.)

I have to earn a living, and even posting to this blog is costly in terms of my time.

Watch, though.  I have to do this soon, and I&#039;ll make folks aware when it happens.

Thank you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for keeping an open mind.</p>
<p>I have to establish a web-site&#8230;that is apparent.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I am challenged in that technology, and have not found anyone to help me.  I know I could pay for it, but don&#8217;t have the disposable income to do it up right.  (It&#8217;s a myth that lawyers make a lot of money.  Most don&#8217;t.)</p>
<p>I have to earn a living, and even posting to this blog is costly in terms of my time.</p>
<p>Watch, though.  I have to do this soon, and I&#8217;ll make folks aware when it happens.</p>
<p>Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: fgmorley</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-686783</link>
		<dc:creator>fgmorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On April 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm, Ragspierre said:

But I have literally been modeling this idea since about 1992, when I first saw the handwriting on the wall in very clear terms.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I realize that you cannot explain your ideas on this blog post, but I would be interested in learning more about them; if only to critique. I&#039;m still not convinced that there is a peaceful solution, although I hope that there is.

So how would I learn more? I understand that there is there is a problem with giving contact info.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On April 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm, Ragspierre said:</p>
<p>But I have literally been modeling this idea since about 1992, when I first saw the handwriting on the wall in very clear terms.</p></blockquote>
<p>I realize that you cannot explain your ideas on this blog post, but I would be interested in learning more about them; if only to critique. I&#8217;m still not convinced that there is a peaceful solution, although I hope that there is.</p>
<p>So how would I learn more? I understand that there is there is a problem with giving contact info.</p>
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		<title>By: fgmorley</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-686778</link>
		<dc:creator>fgmorley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;On April 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pm, hitcharide said:
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well said, sir/madam/thoughtful person. I was absent the day that the rules of WAR were taught. I always thought it became a war when the rules of civilization went out the window. 

Now we have lawyers deciding if it&#039;s OK to launch a strike against the enemy. WTF???

If we are In a War then aren&#039;t we supposed to WIN it? If not, then I guess I missed that day too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>On April 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pm, hitcharide said:
</p></blockquote>
<p>Well said, sir/madam/thoughtful person. I was absent the day that the rules of WAR were taught. I always thought it became a war when the rules of civilization went out the window. </p>
<p>Now we have lawyers deciding if it&#8217;s OK to launch a strike against the enemy. WTF???</p>
<p>If we are In a War then aren&#8217;t we supposed to WIN it? If not, then I guess I missed that day too.</p>
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		<title>By: Ragspierre</title>
		<link>http://michellemalkin.com/2009/04/24/public-to-white-house-move-on/comment-page-3/#comment-686773</link>
		<dc:creator>Ragspierre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 18:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hey, I’d be willing to see another plan such as yours, whatever that is. But I’ve been watching this sh!t go down for the last 40+ years. It doesn’t look promising, and the end game is getting pretty obvious and obnoxious and noxious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

We agree on all that.  I find it very frustrating to read posters here who advocate doing what has been PROVEN not to work, and are so blind they cannot see the structural reasons it CANNOT work.

It is in response to obvious reality that I suggest a change in tactics to try something EFFECTIVE.

Do I KNOW it will work.  Of course not.

But I have literally been modeling this idea since about 1992, when I first saw the handwriting on the wall in very clear terms.

Since that time, I put myself through law school, and I gained considerable insight into our tax system on the practical level.

People in the U.S. have been conditioned to be cowed by the IRS.  Much...maybe most...of what they fear is myth.  That is by design.  I KNOW this, from first-hand experience.

Civil disobedience has to have a moral backing.  Part of its power comes from the moral object lessons that complacent people see as it plays out.

I think it has to be tried, because if it works, it avoids what you and I both fear...and foresee...befalling our people.

For that reason alone, it is totally worth the risks, which are manageable and can be mitigated, IMNHO.

Watch for this.  I only ask that people give it place in their thinking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hey, I’d be willing to see another plan such as yours, whatever that is. But I’ve been watching this sh!t go down for the last 40+ years. It doesn’t look promising, and the end game is getting pretty obvious and obnoxious and noxious.</p></blockquote>
<p>We agree on all that.  I find it very frustrating to read posters here who advocate doing what has been PROVEN not to work, and are so blind they cannot see the structural reasons it CANNOT work.</p>
<p>It is in response to obvious reality that I suggest a change in tactics to try something EFFECTIVE.</p>
<p>Do I KNOW it will work.  Of course not.</p>
<p>But I have literally been modeling this idea since about 1992, when I first saw the handwriting on the wall in very clear terms.</p>
<p>Since that time, I put myself through law school, and I gained considerable insight into our tax system on the practical level.</p>
<p>People in the U.S. have been conditioned to be cowed by the IRS.  Much&#8230;maybe most&#8230;of what they fear is myth.  That is by design.  I KNOW this, from first-hand experience.</p>
<p>Civil disobedience has to have a moral backing.  Part of its power comes from the moral object lessons that complacent people see as it plays out.</p>
<p>I think it has to be tried, because if it works, it avoids what you and I both fear&#8230;and foresee&#8230;befalling our people.</p>
<p>For that reason alone, it is totally worth the risks, which are manageable and can be mitigated, IMNHO.</p>
<p>Watch for this.  I only ask that people give it place in their thinking.</p>
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