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1. #201
   On April 26th, 2009 at 6:47 pm, ritwingr said:

   On April 26th, 2009 at 1:29 pm, rightisright said:
   ritwingr, not sure what your wish is/was, possibly we are wishing , hoping, thinking the same thing. Surely a wish cannot be cause to be banished from this board, especially wishing connecting to a world health problem, can it?

   Just wondering?

   OK, at the very least it might not be polite to say what I’m wishing for.

   But on a totally unrelated note: Joe Biden is a total dope, but I don’t think he’d do nearly the damage to our country that Obama is likely do do. Do you agree?

   Rit

2. #202
   On April 26th, 2009 at 6:54 pm, Ragspierre said:

   The generalization is untrue.
   

   Well, shoot. I think I’ll stand by it.

   Put up your proof, please. I think I can stand what you’ve got.

   SOME bacteria are pretty tough…

   But for really tough, you have to go to the mycology world…fungi, molds, yeasts, those guys.

   Or mesquite beans. Now THERE is tough.

3. #203
   On April 26th, 2009 at 7:05 pm, purplepeep said:

   Ragspierre said:

   Mabe someone will back me up here…

   LOTS of ex-pat Americans are living well in Mek he ko. And I know LOTS of very nice middle-class Mexicans in Mexico. A few years I considered going in on some land in Monterrey.

   I don’t know ANYBODY who would go to Bangladesh on purpose unless they were Mother Theresa types…or had family there.

   I’m sure most folks agree there are a lotta really fine people and beautiful places in Mexico, Rags. But in the macro view it has no appeal to me as a place to live or spend any real amount of time, though I visited there in the 70s.

   Unless Obama succeeds in driving the USofA down to a like 3rd world hellhole status, I’ll stay put.

   Other’s mileage will vary, of course.

4. #204
   On April 26th, 2009 at 7:05 pm, txvet2 said:

   This whole panic is absurd. Less people are going to die worldwide from this flu bug than are dying a day from malaria thanks to our whacked out envirolibs. It’s just an excuse for them to grab more control of your life.

5. #205
   On April 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pm, Ragspierre said:

   Unless Obama succeeds in driving the USofA down to a like 3rd world hellhole status, I’ll stay put.

   Same here. I like to do the train thing in Copper Canyon, though. I understand it is way coool.

6. #206
   On April 26th, 2009 at 7:27 pm, vinny said:

   can someone tell me how to post a trackback or talkback?

7. #207
   On April 26th, 2009 at 7:33 pm, purplepeep said:

   Ragspierre said:I like to do the train thing in Copper Canyon, though. I understand it is way coool.

   Never been, but I’m pretty happy here in the US with a visit to Garden Of The Gods and maybe a ride on the tram across the Royal Gorge – when I keep the acrophobia in check.
   (both in Colo.)

8. #208
   On April 26th, 2009 at 7:33 pm, Ragspierre said:

   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517998,00.html

   Swine flu found in additional hell-holes

   New Zealand

   Canada

   Spain

   Sorry, guys…the devil made me do it.

9. #209
   On April 26th, 2009 at 7:37 pm, Ragspierre said:

   Hey, Peeps

   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Canyon

   I have some friends who have done the trip. They loved it, and said it was amazing.

   I LOVE the Five Corners area. I had family up in St. George, UT for a while. SOOOO interesting.

10. #210
    On April 26th, 2009 at 7:40 pm, RTater said:

    You know where you won’t find it…. among ninjas, and to a lesser extent, banditos.

    Peep – if we cross paths in the Springs, I’ll be the guy wearing the mask.

11. #211
    On April 26th, 2009 at 7:42 pm, Random63 said:

    On April 26th, 2009 at 6:27 pm, ArizonaNeanderthal said:
    On April 26th, 2009 at 1:48 pm, Random63 said:
    In a traditional pandemic, and we do average about 3 per century, there are three waves of the disease during the pandemic. The 1st wave does kill a few off, but it is the second wave that kills the most. The third wave kills the fewest due to folks already having immunity or already being dead.
    Oh that is trilling–perchance I could CHOOSE to already have the immunity? That ALREADY BEING DEAD option would not be my preferred option–if I had an option. I best hurry and finish a few projects-if I die first my wife would kill me.

    If you don’t get your chores done, I can guarantee she will dig your ones up and make you finish them….hahaha

12. #212
    On April 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm, Random63 said:

    ones

    I mean “bones”…oops.

13. #213
    On April 26th, 2009 at 7:51 pm, purplepeep said:

    Ragspierre said:
    Hey, Peeps

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Canyon

    I have some friends who have done the trip. They loved it, and said it was amazing.

    Looks great. I love long train rides to just about anywhere, even across my neck of the mountainless woods here in Minn.

    Never been to Canada, even though it’s straight shot up about 200 miles – but I’ll take your word for it being a hellhole. (Well, they don’t know how to cut bacon right, at least!)

14. #214
    On April 26th, 2009 at 7:53 pm, purplepeep said:

    RTater said:
    Peep – if we cross paths in the Springs, I’ll be the guy wearing the mask.

    Don’t get thataway often, but I’ll be the nervous-looking guy in the sky-tram.

15. #215
    On April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Peeps,

    I’ve never done it, but I’d love to do the Transcanadian train. I understand you can take a car or bike, and disembark where you want, tour around, and hop back on the train. Sounds like a great time to me.

    I’d also love to barge up (or down) the Mississippi on the same basis.

    Course, you gotta watch those hell-holes…like Louisiana (or as we say here Deep French-Speaking East Texas)…

16. #216
    On April 26th, 2009 at 8:52 pm, purplepeep said:

    Well, here in Minn you really don’t need a barge, you can just walk across the Mississippi.

17. #217
    On April 26th, 2009 at 8:59 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Well, here in Minn you really don’t need a barge, you can just walk across the Mississippi.

    My Grandmother (we couldn’t call her Grandma) used to say, “That’s what I know”. Meaning, yeah, I know that…

    Trouble is, during a lot of the year your water is stiff, so that’s no great trick… You could do it in New Orleans, too…if it got umpteen degrees below frost-bite.

    (I know it starts out little bitty, too.)

    Still would love to do it.

18. #218
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:14 pm, purplepeep said:

    Trouble is, during a lot of the year your water is stiff, so that’s no great trick… You could do it in New Orleans, too…if it got umpteen degrees below frost-bite.

    Yup, I stay off it then. But there are crazy people who drive trucks on it and build houses on it to fish.

    (I know it starts out little bitty, too.)

    That’s the walkin’ of which I refered (or you can wade through).

    Just remembered I got the Swine Flu shot back in the big 1976 scare. So I’m good to go, heh.

19. #219
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm, Ragspierre said:

    So I’m good to go, heh.

    Are you sure you’ve never been to Canada…???

20. #220
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:21 pm, frontierguy said:

    We don’t have to get weird over a few cases of flu, and I’d be happy to welcome clients from Mexico this week if they were coming up here.

    It is so nice of those of you ready to lecture those of us who are so racist, just plain ol’ lacking in sophisticated stuff and heartless. I know I am just a horrible person, I could not help that my first thoughts on this was that while WHO was concerned and believed that this could very well possibly be a pandemic, our politicians were busy doing their typical playbook play of nothing to see here folks, no reason to put any focus on the border, no reason to screen people at the airport…etc. Basically the same response after 9/11. I think people here are tired of our politicians in perpetual running for election mode, terrified of hurting feelings and risking votes rather than thinking and doing what would be in the best interest of this country. No, I don’t think running down the street screaming apocalypse would be the thing to do. I get that it is widespread now, nothing to do about that now. When this first came out, I would have liked to hear that people entering the country are, maybe being asked if they have experienced any flu like symptoms, etc. We are tired of business as usual, but thanks for the lecture.

21. #221
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:30 pm, Ragspierre said:

    It is so nice of those of you ready to lecture those of us who are so racist, just plain ol’ lacking in sophisticated stuff and heartless.

    Nobody was lecturing you, friend.

    As a good capitalist, I have no concern about where my clients come from, their religion, etc. Same with my help. I could not care less about anything other than how well we do our work. Everything else is extraneous and none of my business.

    My point was no more complex than that, and that I don’t elect to live in fear.

    Rationally dealing with a clear threat is one thing… Letting irrational fear of over-blown reports of impending doom affect me is another. Very like my position on Gorebal Warming….

22. #222
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pm, purplepeep said:

    Ragspierre said:
    So I’m good to go, heh.

    Are you sure you’ve never been to Canada…???

    Nah, the canucks would drop the first “h”. It’s “eh”.

    Though sometines you’ll hear the “eh” in a few spots closer to the border in northern Minnesota, too.

23. #223
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:36 pm, Ragspierre said:

    When this first came out, I would have liked to hear that people entering the country are, maybe being asked if they have experienced any flu like symptoms, etc.
    

    But, the trouble there is that you’d have to know the incubation period before people became symptomatic. Everyone could truthfully say that they felt fine, only to have symptoms develop days later.

    Look, I am TOTALLY in favor of good public health policy, and I don’t care one whit about anybody’s ethnicity or their sexual orientation, etc. You do what works, and damn all that other nonsense to hell@

24. #224
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:49 pm, Bicyea said:

    Swine Flu Map

    In the comment section of the Swine Flu story in My local paper (Fort Myers FL) a health-care workers is saying they think it is already here. And they have been testing for it but the Dr’s don’t want to panic anyone.

    Swine FLU Predictions

25. #225
    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:52 pm, purplepeep said:

    Ragspierre said:
    When this first came out, I would have liked to hear that people entering the country are, maybe being asked if they have experienced any flu like symptoms, etc.

    Well, this should make you feel better, then:

    “U.S. public health officials did not know about a growing outbreak of swine flu in Mexico until nearly a week after that country started invoking protective measures, and didn’t learn that the deaths were caused by a rare strain of the influenza until after Canadian officials did. . . . U.S. public health officials are still largely in the dark about what’s happening in Mexico two weeks after the outbreak was recognized.”

    Wash Post – U.S. Slow to Learn of Mexico Flu

26. #226
    On April 26th, 2009 at 10:17 pm, WarTip said:

    Sorry I missed it but really busy lately and did not take the time out to read all of the comments … but aren’t we all allowed to simply travel to Cuba now?

    Some chunky dude named Michael said they could cure about anything there didn’t he? And it would be absolutely free and none of us would have to worry about dying or getting sick any more?

    Man I envy those people living in that social worker’s paradise!

    /Sarc

    NOOOOOT

    And will this new disease cure our border ills? Somehow I seriously doubt it.

27. #227
    On April 26th, 2009 at 10:38 pm, txvet2 said:

    On April 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pm, purplepeep said:

    Nah, the canucks would drop the first “h”. It’s “eh”.

    Though sometines you’ll hear the “eh” in a few spots closer to the border in northern Minnesota, too.

    Are they called “snowbacks” up there? J No thinks that’s where terrorists come from.

28. #228
    On April 26th, 2009 at 10:57 pm, locomotivebreath1901 said:

    “Hey, maybe we’ll finally get serious about borders now…”

    MM. MM.

    I know you’re not that naive.

    We all know that, in the democrat playbook, the dead never have their vote disenfranchised.

    (God rest their souls)

29. #229
    On April 26th, 2009 at 11:30 pm, Ragspierre said:

    U.S. public health officials are still largely in the dark about what’s happening in Mexico two weeks after the outbreak was recognized.”

    Sounds like a break-down on the information super-highway.

    Paging Gore; paging Dr. Al Gore…!!!

    Seriously, I find this difficult to square with accounts that the Mexicans have been sending samples for identification to the CDC.

    Could this be a medical equivalent of the failure to connect the dots pre-9/11?

    Time will tell.

    Be calm, my peeps. This might be dangerous, but its morbidity isn’t anything to be worried about yet.

30. #230
    On April 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm, Ragspierre said:

    “U.S. public health officials did not know about a growing outbreak of swine flu in Mexico until nearly a week after that country started invoking protective measures, and didn’t learn that the deaths were caused by a rare strain of the influenza until after Canadian officials did.

    IF true…and I take all this with a chunk of salt…you have to wonder what our Consular guys were doing in Mexico.

    Or
    perhaps
    not….

31. #231
    On April 27th, 2009 at 12:49 am, Leatherneck said:

    I have an idea, let’s leave the border wide open, and maybe the swine flu will go away. Come on in.

    Sarc/ off

32. #232
    On April 27th, 2009 at 1:25 am, Jet Jaguar said:

    Wow. Who would’ve thought that Napolitano would have been such a racist?

33. #233
    On April 27th, 2009 at 3:24 am, farmgal said:

    My mother just got back from Mexico a few weeks ago and kept my daughter for the night.I’m wondering if I should be worried.She was telling me you can’t flush your toilet paper there.

34. #234
    On April 27th, 2009 at 4:26 am, ArizonaNeanderthal said:

    If you don’t get your chores done, I can guarantee she will dig your ones up and make you finish them….hahaha

    Busy busy!

    and yes-Copper Canyon is fantastic.

    Do not let some street hustler or tour guide talk you into buying pesos-. Use Dollars or Visa. Visa guarantees a lock on the exchange rate and even Mexicos Mexicans avoid the peso.

    But Copper Canyon is great. And once this Flu kills off the tourist it won’t be so crowded.

35. #235
    On April 27th, 2009 at 5:06 am, RabbidSquirrel said:

    A little over a year ago, I got off the plane in Des Moines, IA and an hour later out of nowhere I came down with a full-blown case of the flu. For 4 days I lay dying in a Marriott. If not for the hotel staff I dont know what I would have done.

    But on the 5th day, (and I have little recollection of how I got on the plane back home) I probably started my own mini-pandemic.

    I think somewhere around day 14, I started to care about living again.

    Side-note: How many people are going to be running around in dust masks thinking those will save them from the flu. A virus is smaller than what a dust mask will filter.

36. #236
    On April 27th, 2009 at 5:13 am, graysonret said:

    Politician: We need to pass some resolutions to show we care.
    Congress: We need universal healthcare.
    President: I need more power to fight this.
    MSM: We’re all going to die. Everyone panic.

37. #237
    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:08 am, babbledabble said:

    Purplepeep – are you in Colorado? Denver maybe? I lived in Colo Springs for several years when I worked for Martin Marietta out at Falcon AFB, then moved to Denver. I LOVED Colorado & New Mexico. Wish I had never left. But it has gotten too expensive for me to move back & much too liberal.

38. #238
    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am, bansharia said:

    I went to a blog this morning that was POLITE enuff to say when her next post would be THAT WAY PEOPLE DIDN’T HAVE TO KEEP CLICKING waiting for something NEW.
    That would be nice if that catches on
    ………
    dead thread dead blog

39. #239
    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am, Veretax said:

    how is this flue contracted? do you have to eat contaminated pork or something?

40. #240
    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:38 am, Veretax said:

    bansharia, its called an RSS feed. It polls sites and lets you know when the next blog post is made.

41. #241
    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am, Ragspierre said:

    its called an RSS feed. It polls sites and lets you know when the next blog post is made.

    Eww…kul…!

    Eww…damn, I have to learn something new…!

    The belief is that this flu is transmissible human-to-human, which is what makes it worrisome as far a making a lot of people sick. As far as being a killer, not so much. It seems to be fatal less than 5% of the time, but it is early to know.

42. #242
    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:58 am, DannoJyd said:

    As Americans bwegin to die we will see another resurgance of the race issue. People mad at B. O. will be called racist, people pushing for closing the borders will be called racists, and it is only a matter of time before the large number of blacks dying will be attributed to racism.

    How long will it take America to realize the race issue isn’t the real issue anymore? Maybe after another trillion goes down the donkey hole, and maybe after a few thousand die they will wake up. Then again maybe not.

43. #243
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:14 am, Rorschach said:

    CNN is reporting that the tour guide that showed Obama around the Museum in Mexico died the next day of Swine Flu…

44. #244
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:21 am, DannoJyd said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:14 am, Rorschach said:

    There are more reports collaborating this. I’m shocked. It is a bit frightening to realize death occurs that quickly.

45. #245
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am, Dasher said:

    How long will it be before this is used as an excuse to nationalize health care. “We must do this now to protect the people expand the government”

46. #246
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:25 am, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, I seem to remember a few years ago when a white lawyer with TB came back from Eurpoe the lame stream media tracked his every movement, but not a word this weekend on the 8 people in New York on how they contracted the disease or the other folks in Ohio on how they got infected. I guess the politics of the pathology of swine flu by folks coming from Mexico is something we just can’t talk about.

47. #247
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:30 am, Dasher said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:14 am, Rorschach said:

    CNN is reporting that the tour guide that showed Obama around the Museum in Mexico died the next day of Swine Flu…

    Ah – The victim must of said something that “The One” didn’t like so the CIA took him out KGB style.

48. #248
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am, Dasher said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am, Veretax said:

    how is this flue contracted? do you have to eat contaminated pork or something?

    I think you have to have sex with a pig or something.

49. #249
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am, RedRepub said:

    …Mexico has shut schools, cinemas and museums and canceled public events in its sprawling, overcrowded capital of 20 million people to try to prevent further infections.

    Wait a minute, Mexico has cinemas and museums?

50. #250
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am, Ragspierre said:

    CNN is reporting that the tour guide that showed Obama around the Museum in Mexico died the next day of Swine Flu…

    Ummm….not so much….

    “Yesterday, the museum was shut, in common with most public attractions in Mexico City, and the nation’s Health Minister confirmed that Mr Solis had died of pneumonia – but that it was not thought he had contracted swine flu.”

    “Solis died the following day from ‘flu-like symptoms’, according to Mexican press reports.

    Yeah, like they wouldn’t sensationalize anything…

    Maybe the swine flu will be implicated…after, ya know…some science stuff. Until then, be real, people.

51. #251
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:44 am, Ragspierre said:

    I think you have to have sex with a pig or something.

    Can’t we leave Pelosi out of just one thread…???

52. #252
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am, Teddy Kennedy said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am, Veretax said: how is this flue contracted? do you have to eat contaminated pork or something?

    Errah, With the state of the cable news shows we’ll probably never know what cause swine flu, how it is communicated and whether the government is actively doing something about it. Although you may not ever get this info you will get more info on the panty collection of the medical student serial killer 24/7 for he next month.

53. #253
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:49 am, matthew26 said:

    We can’t secure our borders because that wouldn’t be tolerant of a disease that could wipe out thousands or millions.

    I’m really screwed – I live in Texas.

    Say it with me:
    Tolerance
    Acceptance
    Diversity

54. #254
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, Matthew 26 RIP . . . Here Lies Tolerance, Acceptance, Diversidty 19XX-2009

55. #255
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:02 am, Ragspierre said:

    Wait a minute, Mexico has cinemas and museums?

    Yep. Wal-Marts, too…

    There are about a million great reasons for us to control our borders…

    disease control is one.

    But this particular disease isn’t a poster-child for controlling the border. These bugs move too quick, and nobody would want to live in a nation where travel was as restricted as it would have to be to try to keep them out.

    As can be seen from the NY cases, by the time you start to close the front door, these bugs are already in the kitchen.

56. #256
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:04 am, happyscrapper said:

    I haven’t contributed to this thread yet, but just wanted to mention this…my Dad’s sister died in the flu epidemic in November of 1918. She was just five years old. The epidemic hit hardest starting in the Fall and that is when she caught it. (I am named after her!) Naturally, I have been intrigued by that epidemic and have read a lot about it. God help us if this one is as bad!! I can’t help thinking, at this point anyway, that the hype is another diversionary tactic. I guess I just don’t trust anything the govmt. says right now. I will wait and see if they are working on another bill that they need to sneak through before the public gets on to it. Interesting, isn’t it, that their slimy bills are so abhorent they need to sneak them through before the pitchforks come out. Obviously, they know what they are doing is NOT the will of the people. Scumbags.

57. #257
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:11 am, Ragspierre said:

    Hi, Scrappy!

    My maternal grandpa died in one of the pandemics at 26. He was an orchardman, and in the pink of health.

    I was in a local grocery last evening buying milk, and the place was nearly as picked over as before Ike hit us. I have to attribute that to panic over this swine flu thing…unless someone failed to tell me about a hurricane or nuclear war…

    Come on, people…we have some very real, very present dangers that HAVE to be resisted!

    Your and my health is on the line from an attack by our Congress…today, tomorrow…!

58. #258
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:21 am, happyscrapper said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:11 am, Ragspierre said

    Hey Rags…I wonder how many of us on these threads have ancestors who died of flu? It would be interesting to find out. So, people are already starting to stock up. We have been doing that for years. Our basement has shelving running through it, and the shelves are well stocked with just about everything you could want. We buy in bulk when things are on sale. Canned goods, cereals, paper products, dry milk, bottled water, etc. I doubt that our kids have done the same. So if there is a quarantine, we would need to figure out a way to get them all to our house for the duration. I am not ready to buy into the hype just yet. You know how the news stations jump all over the story…they need to fill 24 hours a day. I am in a waiting pattern right now.

    Happy Monday everyone!

59. #259
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:26 am, RedDog said:

    More criminal malfeasance on the part of politicians and government bureaucrats. News? Hardly, except now lots of people stand to die as a result of this latest example of a government FUBAR.

    Unaccountable people with carte blanche power is a prescription for disaster especially when Leftists are in charge. Hold them accountable and demand criminal prosecutions now.

60. #260
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:29 am, Ragspierre said:

    You know how the news stations jump all over the story…they need to fill 24 hours a day. I am in a waiting pattern right now.

    One of my rules is: Newspeople are scientific idiots. When they say things about science, don’t trust them.

    You can see that proven virtually every day. They don’t have a clue, they won’t buy one, and you can’t beat one into them with your cluebat. But they will stand in front of a camera or mic and tell you all kinds of BS that people swallow like, well…Kool-Aid…

61. #261
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am, John424 said:

    I don’t get the hype. I know somebody posted these thoughts earlier, but I think it’s worth reiterating:

    We had the “swine flu” scare during the failed, miserable presidency of Jimmy Carter. The only thing that scare accomplished was to get a bunch of people sick and dead from the vaccine, and a later admission from the feds that the “swine flu” really wasn’t that bad at all, no worse than any other common strain of flu. This of course, after scaring the country half to death with their “sky-is-falling” predictions of half the country dying and the other half being too sick to move if you didn’t rush off, lemming-like and get vaccinated immediately.

    The only difference I see this time is the feds are telling everybody not to get vaccinated because there isn’t any vaccine – unless they’ve changed their story since yesterday about this time.

    Same scenario – a completely amateur Democrat administration looking for a diversion from their clueless foreign policy and inflationary domestic policies. Trying to set themselves up as saviors from a public health standpoint.

    It didn’t work in the 70′s. It won’t work now.

62. #262
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am, md1964 said:

    Rahm Emmanuel said.. to never let a crisis go to waste..

    …will the Adolph Obama admin use this as a springboard to Nationalize Healthcare to coordinate and combat a potential pandemic??

    I put nothing past these fascists…

63. #263
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:37 am, Ragspierre said:

    …will the Adolph Obama admin use this as a springboard to Nationalize Healthcare to coordinate and combat a potential pandemic??

    I put nothing past these fascists…

    Right! We know that the Dimocrat majority PLANS to impose nationalized health care on us by a simple majority vote. A simple UNCONSTITUTIONAL VOTE by a bare majority in the Congress.

    That is REAL, happening NOW, and will effect EVERY American.

    Swine flu…? Not so much.

64. #264
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:42 am, Teddy Kennedy said:

    Errah, BTW why is Nutpolitano taking the lead on this in lieu of the Dept of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service, Dir of NIH or the Surgeon General. Just seems like there’s an alterior motive here putting DHS out as the point person/department. From what I’ve heard so far she isn’t screening people at ports of entry or airports which is under her pervue and we all know there are no stepped up measures at the borders or any interior enforcement of folks from Mexico who are ilegally here so what’s up with putting her out in front of this one. Did someone tell her that Canada is on our northern border and that Mexico is on our southern border yet?

65. #265
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:45 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    I tell you, this illegal immigrant thing is nothing to sneeze at!

66. #266
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:55 am, PhredE said:

    “One of my rules is: Newspeople are scientific idiots. When they say things about science, don’t trust them.”

    Yup. Amen brother. You called that spot on.
    Even some scientists aren’t all that good with science too, IMHO…

67. #267
    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:58 am, Mainah said:

    speaking of…scientistspoliticians…LIARS

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py6yay2c0Oo&feature=player_embedded

68. #268
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am, Ragspierre said:

    Even some scientists aren’t all that good with science too, IMHO…

    Many, many in the “scientific community” are completely doctrinaire leftists, who willingly prostitute science…and their own integrity…to a political agenda.

    There was a guy here in Texas who did a daily feature on NPR here, The Engines of Our Ingenuity. He was a professor of Engineering at U of Houston. I was amazed to see that you could insert socialist ideology into even engineering.

69. #269
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am, happyscrapper said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am, md1964 said:
    Rahm Emmanuel said.. to never let a crisis go to waste..

    …will the Adolph Obama admin use this as a springboard to Nationalize Healthcare to coordinate and combat a potential pandemic??

    I put nothing past these fascists…

    Also a springboard to impose permanent martial law?

70. #270
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:05 am, Ragspierre said:

    HEADLINE…

    Blackburn gently piths frog…

    (Pithing is to insert a needle into the base of the brain)

71. #271
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am, conservative in europe said:

    Happy,

    We already are under permanent martial law. It was never repealed after the civil war. Note the gold fringe on US flags. It is simply not enforced via the magnanimity of the Government.

72. #272
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am, happyscrapper said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am, conservative in europe said:
    Happy,

    We already are under permanent martial law. It was never repealed after the civil war. Note the gold fringe on US flags. It is simply not enforced via the magnanimity of the Government.

    Seriously?

73. #273
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am, Rogue Cheddar said:

    (Pithing is to insert a needle into the base of the brain)

    Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I was behind again on my urban street slang!

74. #274
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am, Mainah said:

    I dunno about the frog, but he is pithing me off pretty bad too.

75. #275
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am, Ragspierre said:

    Blackburn is a fox…in so many ways….

    And she skewered Gore soooo sweetly…

    I may be in love…

76. #276
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:21 am, moonsbreath said:

    I expect Georgia to be on that list soon. We have a huge population of illegals.

    The border needs to be closed. As of this morning, you can still enter the US in California. Unbelievable.

77. #277
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am, chapoutier said:

    We already are under permanent martial law. It was never repealed after the civil war. Note the gold fringe on US flags. It is simply not enforced via the magnanimity of the Government.

    Uhhh, there was no need to repeal it as the proclamation was stricken down as unconstitutional in 1866 by the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan.

78. #278
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    The gold fringe on flags has nothing to do martial law, eliminating the gold standard or any other “lunatic fringe” issue. It has a significance that I used to know (I was once “educated” about improperly displaying such a flag) and I will find it when I have time. Almost every time you see such a flag, it is being improperly displayed. Few people know the national flag protocol but trust me, there is no “DaVinci’s Code” symbolism to be found in it.

79. #279
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:32 am, Bulldogger said:

    Just read this on ALIPAC

    “We are asking our supporters to call their Congressional representatives immediately to demand that Congress hold emergency hearings to override the open borders policies of the Obama administration and protect our citizens from this potential pandemic.” said William Gheen.

    http://www.alipac.us/ftopicp-888912.html#888912

80. #280
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:42 am, RTater said:

    http://www.usflag.org/colors.html

    I can’t vouch for the source, but as long as we’re so far off topic:

    The fringe on a Flag is considered and ‘honorable enrichment only’, and its official use by the US Army dates from 1895.. A 1925 Attorney General’s Opinion states: ‘the fringe does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the Flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statute. An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe.’”

81. #281
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:43 am, happyscrapper said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:32 am, Bulldogger said:
    Just read this on ALIPAC

    That article mentioned his golf game yesterday. I don’t know why everyone is criticizing our Dear Leader for playing golf. His job is 9-5, Monday thru Friday, with weekends off, except for TV appearances to campaign for the next election. He also has free time every Wednesday night for partying. You can’t expect him to work all the time, can you? Geez..cut him some slack! /sarc off

    I was just remembering when Pres. Bush went to the ranch for a WORKING vacation. You know…the kind where he was on call 24/7 and was totally kept in touch with all that was going on. But even so, the press hounded him and criticized him mercilessly about all his “vacations”. Obama goes golfing and no one says boo. Now, I don’t begrudge him his “down” time. But it really sends the wrong message to keep showing him in his party mode and yukking it up with his cronies, always smiling and looking like he doesn’t have a care in the world when we are all in an almost panic mode out here in the real world. He is so stuck on himself and his power trip, he doesn’t see the real America any more.

82. #282
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am, happyscrapper said:

    Regarding contacting our representatives to close the border and not allow any planes in from Mexico…that is a great idea. I wonder why THEY didn’t think of it?? These people are totally incompetent. And Obama doesn’t have enough qualified people in place to deal with these crises. Apparently, it takes more than 100 days to appoint his cabinet. You can’t rush these things you know…and good help is hard to find!

83. #283
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am, JusDreamin said:

    Teddy Kennedy said:
    Errah, I seem to remember a few years ago when a white lawyer with TB came back from Eurpoe the lame stream media tracked his every movement, but not a word this weekend on the 8 people in New York on how they contracted the disease or the other folks in Ohio on how they got infected. I guess the politics of the pathology of swine flu by folks coming from Mexico is something we just can’t talk about.

    Good catch Teddy. We have (or at least did at one time) the finest healthcare system in the world all things considered. The CDC alone has no doubt saves hundreds of thousands of people. All can be rendered useless by politcal correctness, or whatever you want to call it. Will we EVER hear the truth? I’m not counting on it. I hate having to mistrust our government and media, but what choice do I have?

84. #284
    On April 27th, 2009 at 11:47 am, Pasadena Phil said:

    RTater: your take is consistent with my understanding. I possess an official US manual on proper flag protocol and it makes no mention of fringe.

    As I think back to why I was criticized for improperly displaying a fringed flag, it had something to do with military. The person who brought it up was/is a naval commander. Turns out our organization had been improperly displaying such a flag for as long as anyone could remember.

85. #285
    On April 27th, 2009 at 12:23 pm, Ragspierre said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 12:13 pm, vinny said:

    I tried to go over the pathophysiology on flu on my site earlier, hoping to clear up some confusion. Unfortunately as I looked at my post today, I may have written it for a medically trained audience. Anyway, there is no good evidence that this particular flu outbreak will be any worse than the last flu epidemic we experienced earlier this year. If you develop symptoms, you should drink plenty of fluids and see a doctor. Sometimes the flu can lead to a secondary bacterial infection which needs to be treated with antibiotics. When the smoke clears in Mexican deaths, you will most likely see that those deaths were from Pneumonia.

    Another reassuring thought is that people in this country who were exposed to this same virus as the people in Mexico, are having milder symptoms. The only thing I can think of to explain this disparity is that Americans were much more likely to be immunized against the flu every year. Even if they say this year’s immunization doesn’t offer complete immunity, there may be partial immunity. Furthermore, immunizations from prior years may also offer you some immunity.

    If anyone wants to read a detailed explanation of how symptoms of the flu develop you can see it on my site. Just click on my name. I will try to rewrite the article to make it easier to follow later this evening.
    

    I thought some of you would like information that may assuage some of your fears about this flu.

86. #286
    On April 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm, Random63 said:

    From a Yahoo News story….this little blurb well explains what will happen if Congress pushes through Universal Health Care and you refuse to participate in it….

    “Others complained they had symptoms but couldn’t find a doctor to see them. Jose Isaac Cepeda, who has had fever, diarrhea and joint pains since Friday, said he was turned away from two hospitals — the first because he isn’t registered in the public health system, and the second “because they say they’re too busy.”
    

87. #287
    On April 27th, 2009 at 1:28 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Random63;

    EXACTLY right. I picked up on that, too.

    Mexico has National Health Care.

88. #288
    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, Ragspierre said:

    I just had a minor flash of insight…

    Mexico has nationalized health care.

    We don’t.

    How far does that go to explaining the mortality in Mexico…

    opposed to the lack of mortality here…

    from the same disease?

89. #289
    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:09 pm, Random63 said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm, Ragspierre said:
    I just had a minor flash of insight…
    Mexico has nationalized health care.
    We don’t.
    How far does that go to explaining the mortality in Mexico…
    opposed to the lack of mortality here…
    from the same disease?

    I don’t know. I am sure that the socialized medicine is a factor in one way or another on the fatality rate. But, you also have to take into account the overall health of the folks who died. Was their health already compromised before falling ill? Were they registered in the healthcare system in the first place or were they like the guy in that quote who wasn’t and couldn’t get care. Since many of them were so young, could the doctors assume that they wouldn’t die so they didn’t treat them aggressively enough? Many variables to consider. So to blame it 100% all on socialized medicine may be unfair.

    Be safe and well.

90. #290
    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, Ragspierre said:

    Your questions all are valid, BUT…

    what would have happened to the guy in the story if he were in cold, heartless, capitalist America…

    and went to a hospital?

    ANSWER: he would have been treated. Period.

91. #291
    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm, John424 said:

    test

92. #292
    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm, Random63 said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm, Ragspierre said:
    Your questions all are valid, BUT…
    what would have happened to the guy in the story if he were in cold, heartless, capitalist America…
    and went to a hospital?
    ANSWER: he would have been treated. Period.

    It is Federal Law that he be given minimum treatment. An ER cannot turn him away, but they don’t have to “go all out” in his treatment. Fair or not? I guess it depends on your perspective and the day of the week. Most of these type of folks without insurance also are unemployed, uneducated, and practice self destructive habits that continually bring them to the ER over and over again. (Speaking from personal experience, 22 years in the medical field) So, I don’t usually have much sympathy for them and feel they are a large drain on the taxpayer.

    Overall, we have a pretty good system here. 250 million Americans have insurance and get decent treatment. 50 million Americans do not.

    I’m sure if you look at those 50 million, you will find the bulk of drug addicts, non-compliant diabetics, alcoholics, etc. Few of them have health insurance because of their lack of education and job skills. That is a good reason why they don’t have health insurance.

    Cold, heartless, capitalist America would treat them, but minimally. As it should be. Why should we be paying for the healthcare of others who do not take responsibility for their own lives and health? Call me cold and heartless for I don’t want to pay for them.

    Ok, enough ranting now. Sorry.

93. #293
    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm, Ragspierre said:

    50 million Americans do not [have health insurance].

    True…ish.

    I am one of the 50 million who is included in that statistic, that is EXTREMELY misleading.

    I have catastrophic health insurance.

    Being ridiculously healthy, I elect to pay for all other health needs, including doctor visits. MILLIONS of Americans make the same election.

    I have a daughter who’s a nurse, and another who was a paramedic. Both relate to me that the guy in the story would have gotten effective, appropriate care, and that in a flu epidemic he would not likely leave the hospital unless he insisted.

94. #294
    On April 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm, Random63 said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm, Ragspierre said:
    50 million Americans do not [have health insurance].
    True…ish.
    I am one of the 50 million who is included in that statistic, that is EXTREMELY misleading.
    I have catastrophic health insurance.
    Being ridiculously healthy, I elect to pay for all other health needs, including doctor visits. MILLIONS of Americans make the same election.
    I have a daughter who’s a nurse, and another who was a paramedic. Both relate to me that the guy in the story would have gotten effective, appropriate care, and that in a flu epidemic he would not likely leave the hospital unless he insisted.

    I did not say it was an absolute rule for all 50 million. And yes, that guy would have gotten a bed in the hospital, but still minimum care. He would not get the best antibiotics, treatments, etc. Oh they would have let him think he was being treated like a king, but the best meds and treatments would be kept for the insured.

    It’s a good thing your children are in the field. They will ensure that you do get the best drugs and meds. As for choosing to pay catastrophic insurance and routine care on your own, that doesn’t make you like the group I described. Sounds more like you are just being responsible and self sufficient.

    Be safe and well.

95. #295
    On April 27th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, Ragspierre said:

    It’s a good thing your children are in the field. They will ensure that you do get the best drugs and meds.

    Having children is good.

    They owe me big, and I’m not gonna let em forget it…

96. #296
    On April 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm, Random63 said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, Ragspierre said:
    They owe me big, and I’m not gonna let em forget it…

    You got that right! I keep telling my daughter to hurry up and finish college so I can retire young and sponge off her.

    

97. #297
    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm, happy2behere said:

    Hey Rags and Random, I heard the CDC does not even know if its an actual flu yet and that some cases in Mexico have killed healthy young adults by becoming hemmoragic pneumonia. Do you know if that is true?

98. #298
    On April 27th, 2009 at 9:37 pm, Random63 said:

    On April 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm, happy2behere said:
    Hey Rags and Random, I heard the CDC does not even know if its an actual flu yet and that some cases in Mexico have killed healthy young adults by becoming hemmoragic pneumonia. Do you know if that is true?

    The patients experienced a Cytokine Storm, a type of positive feedback of the immune system when overstimulated by a new virus invader. In this case, the storm centered in the lungs causing the patients to die of flu induced pneumonia or basically drown to death. Read the attached link and it will help you understand better why this flu is so dangerous, especially the second wave if it comes this late summer/early fall.

99. #299
    On April 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am, Ragspierre said:

    Happy;

    Where did your information come from?

    In most flu deaths, from what little I know of medicine, there is an opportunistic pathogen that delivers the actual death-blow…very often a pneumonia caused by a bug that we almost universally have all the time, but is no threat under normal circumstances. Sort of God’s Recall Button…