Obama’s Notre Dame commencement robe: Will there be another ‘cover-up’ at the highest level?
Ever since the announcement that President Obama would deliver the commencement address at Notre Dame, and the subsequent “Georgetown/Jesus cover-up,” people have been been asking, “Will he, or won’t he?”
As of today, he will:
President Barack Obama is expected to wear the traditional doctoral robe featuring the cross and prayer of the Virgin Mary when he speaks at the University of Notre Dame next month, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told CNSNews.com on Monday.
I have no doubt Obama will wear the robe. What he’ll have on over it is anybody’s guess.
The commencement will be in the Joyce Center. The plan was to have it in the football stadium, but replacing “Touchdown Jesus” with “Touchdown Teleprompter” would have proven to be too daunting an engineering task:
Before:
After:
Whatever ends up happening at Notre Dame next month, if the White House plays their cards right, they could get another kick-butt photo-op out of the visit:
Actually, now that I think about it, that picture might look more like this:
Update: Ken K. wrote in and said the scene we’re most likely to see is this:
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God I hate Notre Dame football.
“Rudy” can suck it as well.
Sorry…you may continue.
This controversy presents a real crisis for American Catholics.
THE ONE is the most rabid opponent of life on the political scene.
How can something that didn’t start, continue !?
But yeah, Rudy blew.
I’m not too pleased with the being ashamed of religion, though.
I’m not a fan of ND football either, chap.
Notre Shame
So what honorary doctorate is ND bestowing on him? Doctor of Humane Speechreading?
Maybe we can just skip right to the Nobel prize for literature for his many autobiographies, and he can join Algore on the lecture circuit. Can’t happen soon enough.
Lay with a dog…
How can ND be taken seriously after this?
I find it amazing that Notre Dame is going through with this.
Anything to to look mainstream, eh?
Actually Obama might as well wear one of those NASCAR racing suits with all of his sponsors on it.
It would be more fitting. He has sold out after all.
I heard Rudy voted for Specter and Murtha.
There is nothing worse in the sports world than a rabid ND fan. Oddly enough, talking to them about football is exactly the same as talking about politics to a liberal.
Catholic universities caving in like this to me seem like the biggest denial of Christ since Peter and the rooster crowing three times.
I hate ND football, too.
Maybe the days of the antichrist are with us. seriously.
I am not a Catholic, but I do so hurt for all of you true Catholics having to see Norte Dame become the pc university for bho. It must be a sad day for all of you.
L
HUH? Peter? Rooster?
Duke basketball is close.
No, rather than blacking out the image of Jesus Christ, they’ll hang a big picture of Duh One over it.
This coming from someone with “lucifer” in his moniker – seriously.
The speculation and photo shopping, I am sure is meant to be funny, sadly it is not.
Maybe if there were a caption with the jet, that said, “White House schedules photo opportunity before Pres Obama speaks at Notre Dame.”
Only a little bit more funny.
I think they should cover the TOTUS. It would make the speech more realistic.
I went to ND. I knew Rudy. As anyone else who knew him will tell you, he was an A__hole.
It may be important to keep in mind that Notre Dame is not a monolith.
There are many good people in the ND community that are appalled by their leadership. Dittos for the lay people and clergy in the church.
Don’t hold your feelings in, Chap. It’s not healthy. Tell us what you really think about Notre Dame and Rudy.
Let me get theological for a moment.
Catholics believe the apostle Peter was the first Pope, based on Matthew 16:13-19:
Now, the beautiful thing about Peter is that he was human and sometimes suffered from a severe case of foot-in-mouth disease (see, for example, Mark 8:31-33)
Before Christ was crucified, at the Last Supper, He told Peter that Peter would deny him three times (Mark 14:29-30):
And after Jesus was taken away, Peter did just that for fear he too would be arrested and crucified. Hence zyzzyg’s reference to Peter and the rooster.
Hmmmm…
Could we get this changed?
I think the TOTUS deserves a Doctor of Letters Degree…
Oh…
I had that confused with that ballet…
But that was Peter and the Wolf…
It would actually be most appropriate for Obama to wear his Harvard regalia. Since a law degree is usually a doctorate also (JD), his Harvard robe should have velvet and a hood. Most people were the regalia they have earned. Then, there would be no controversy either direction.
Context is so important…
Peter and the rooster is an ancient bawdy Highland joke….
Pro-Life Harvard Prof Refuses Award from Notre Dame Because it is Honoring Obama
Not sure you get the controversy here. Catholic (anti-abortion group) school meets biggest pro-death President for PC love-fest. Who gives a crap what he wears after that?
BRAVO for him!!!
It is called reading comprehension -
Good greif, I cut and pasted the original reference, post #11 by Lucifer Jones, in my post #18.
Poorly written I admit! My grevious fault! I was referring to Peter’s denial of Christ three times by the time the rooster crowed three times on the night before the Crucifixion. Backing down to a politician by covering up references to Christ as Georgetown did might be seen a denial of Christ and of the faith. Should ND do this, their moral standing to Catholics will be called into question, if it hasn’t been called into question already.
If ND and other august Christian institutions go the way of Georgetown, then this will be a very troubling time for many people of Christian faith. If these instutions fail in this way, then what about the rest of us? Will political and peer pressure cause many to deny the faith? Does left-wing secularism, statism and hope + change become the faith? Maybe OK for others, not for me.
I have to admit even I am a little surprised there are any pro life Harvard profs.
God bless and keep her and give her a long happy life.
OOPS, I did it, too. My bad.
I cut and pasted the original reference to “Peter and the Rooster” from Post #11 by Lucifer Jones, in my post #14
See how easy it is to correct yourself when you make a mistake.
On April 28th, 2009 at 3:54 pm, On-my-soap-box said:
BRAVO for
himher!!! duhYup. This is fun!
Tough day to be a real Roman Catholic, for sure.
I have no idea how the RC church is still involved in the overall running of ND, but there should be severe consequences over this.
queen #22
Well done! I was clamoring around trying to decide how to write it and how not to hurt feelings of those that, perhaps, don’t know the scriptures. On the other hand, if they do know and deny them – how to slepht them upside the head.
‘…look at all my trials & tribulations/sinking in a gentle pool of wine/don’t disturb me now, I can see the answers/’til this evening is this morning life is fine…’
There is a huge difference between Christianity and Black Power “christianity” are two totally different things!
It’s not what he’ll have over it, it’s what he’ll have under it.
I hear under the robe he’ll be wearing a burqa.
Neidermeyer: Dress that line. Dress that line, mister! Dress that line, soldier. Mister, hold my mount. [to Kent] You fat, disgusting slob! You’re a goddamned disgrace!
Boon: [watching from afar] A vicious mother, isn’t he?
Otter: He can’t do that to our pledges.
Boon: Only we can do that to our pledges.
Neidermeyer: [to Kent] Redo those buttons! Dress that belt buckle! Straighten that cap! And goddamn it, tuck up those pyjamas! Attention! Eyes front! What’s that on your chest, mister?
Kent: It’s a pledge pin, sir.
Neidermeyer: A pledge pin! On your uniform?
…
Neidermeyer: Just tell me, mister, what fraternity would pledge a man like you?
Kent: It’s a Delta pin, sir.
zyz, why am I not surprised you are totally unfamiliar with the Bible?
The lap dog media will do all the covering up this country needs. Maybe the Pope should try to figure out why he was invited in the first place.
No worries, On April 28th, 2009 at 3:56 pm, Lucifer Jones said: #22, provided context. Though my comment was equally nebulous. I should have asked, who is denying The Christ, Pres Obama, or Notre Dame?
Pres Obama would be damned if did, or damned if didn’t cover up the “IHS” at GU. What would be said if he appeared in a photo where the letters “IHS” appeared above his head? No doubt the speculation and commentariat would have said, he is comparing himself to Jesus.
The White House advance team recognized a dilemma, and tried to deal with it. They should have chosen a different room and avoided both controversial actions.
A fairly large leap of speculation. Having a visiting dignitary, of say a communist country, come to our country diminish us in any way? Go ahead and be consistent when you answer the question.
As for consistentcy, should Notre Dame have a litmus test for it’s scholarship athletes? Why give money to people who do not fully accept the teachings of the Catholic Church? I don’t know if Notre Dame asks it’s scholarship athletes this question, or not. But, wouldn’t it be consistent if they did, and at least stop giving them scholarships?
Do you suppose Notre Dame would put it’s money where it’s mouth is, and give up a spectular athlete, that would help them win sporting events, if that athlete was pro-choice?
Do you think Notre Dame has a litmus test?
The instances of the athletes is not as public and symbolic as the obama visits.
Yes there may be leap on the speculation, but I don’t like what I see.
Deny your liberal constituency or deny God. Quite a dilemma.
You should not be surprised.
I am surprised that you suggest everyone should be familiar with the Bible. It is implicit in your question.
There is no requirement that I should be familiar with, or be able to quote, the Bible. Could you quote the Bible extensively? Or, do you have a Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer veiw of the Bible?
Not challenging you, so don’t get yuor shorts in a bunch, just asking a question.
You want a Catholic University faithful to the doctrin…then read about Ave Maria University near Naples, FLA. It was founded in 2003 by Tom Monaghan, a Catholic philanthropist is the founder of Domino’s Pizza. http://www.avemaria.edu/
Rumor has it that Obama will be sporting a new portable teleprompter. This green technology will be fitted into a special glove, and be powered by small solar cells embedded in the top of the mortarboard. In case it is too cloudy to get power to the device, it will be backed up by crib note technology he learned at Columbia.
Yeah, but will it cause him to levitate? I can picture him wearing a solar powered beanie…you know, the ones with the propeller?…before I can picture him with a mortarboard.
Notre Doom! Pro-life activists…come on down!
South Bend Tribune. March 28 2009
From the Notre Dame Observer
(Student newspaper)
“The observers inbox has been inundated with letters in response to the university’s invitation to the president of the United States to be the principle speaker at this year’s commencement exercises.
These letters range from expressions of utter outrage and disbelief to mild acceptance, from sheer joy to indifference. Their authors – angered alumni, American Catholics not associated with the university and students – in many respects – reduced itself to a circus.
Of the 612 letters to the editor The Observer received as of 2 pm Thursday (March 27), 313 have been authored by alumni. Of those letters, 30 percent are supportive of the university’s decision to invite the president and 70 percent are against…of the 282 letters authored by students, the breakdwn is a bit different: 73 percent are supportive of the Obama selection, while 27 percent are against.”
Cicerokid draws these conclusions from the above data: 27 percent of students don’t like the cool-aid served at the cafeteria or pack sack lunches and liberalism is not incurable as demonstrated by 43% of the alumni.
As a practicing Catholic, I am going to re-read Revelations to see if there is anything about the end of times being triggered by a man who favors infanticide speaking as an honored guest and degree-recipient at the largest Catholic university. I’m sure God will be none too pleased on that day.
Everything Obama does just oozes “anti-Christ” to me. There’s even an entire blog that discusses in detail whether Obama is the anti-Christ. Amazing times we live in of moral equvalency, brought to us by the Left.
I am a Catholic and have been embarrassed by ND’s Deans who are Jesuit priest. But no, Catholic schools don’t give litmus test to students, as long as they are paying students.
Public or not, it is about consistentcy. That is the question, don’t dismiss it.
Having Pres Obama speak at Notre Dame is veiwed negatively because of his position on issues that are an anthema to the Catholic Church. Isn’t also an anthema to Notre Dame, and it’s supporters, to give scholarships to athletes who may not subscribe to the teachings of the Catholoic Church?
Before Notre Dame gives a scholarship, or invites a speaker, shouldn’t that individual be asked if they agree with the teachings of the Catholic Church?
Curious and yet scarry. Admitting a decision based on speculation, and not on reality, truly makes you a person of faith.
Bush spoke as well and some alumni and students protested his capital punishment.
Perhaps Obama will award the University a Pontiac warranty.
Oh, come on! Let’s say the trend I see is beginning to paint a very disturbing pattern. We will see where it pans out.
Nope.
Deal with the resultant controversy of covering the “IHS”.
Pres Obama, runs from, and dislikes, christianity!
Or -
Deal with the resultant controversy of having the “IHS” appear above Pres Obama’s head.
Pres Obama, thinks he’s The Christ!
The White House advance team chose the former, when they would have been better served by changing location.
As a Tridentine Catholic, may God forgive me. I am offended by the image of Virgin Mary to be on Obama’s body. He is an insult to my faith as he is an insult to my brothers who were in arms and still are. He is a threat to my son as well. Sorry, this is how I feel and believe.
in hoc signo vinces</a
In Hoc Senor Wences?
This also fromt he Notre Dame Observer:
“This is the seniors’ graduation, their last memories of Notre Dame as a student. Protesters would do well to remeber this. Make your views known; healthy debate is welcomed. Photographs of aborted fetuses are not.”
‘s alright?
‘s alright.
You spoke for me, as well. I’m not a Catholic, though.
Too real…!?!?
On April 28th, 2009 at 3:29 pm, chapoutier said:
How about a Durham County (Duke) District Attorney?
Ragspierre, some things transcend an individual belief in a form of Christianity…. I understand.
Devil Dog Dave;
One of my friends in law school was an excellent priest who had served on Canon Law counsels at the Vatican.
He and I had parallel crises of faith working at the time, and I treasured the insights I gained from that faithful and good man.
It’s mentioned in the trackbacks, but I should highlight some good news: Glendon has declined a commencement honor from Notre Dame over the Obama scandal:
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=60313
Not sure how that happened, it must have been inattention. Sorry.
Ragspierre
I love that name… it’s what my wife calls me, wonder why I didn’t make it my sign in Name here…..lol
You earned it, man…!
It is called reading comprehension -
I never said that you suggested it was a ‘requirement.’
Saying it again, for your benefit.
I am surprised that you suggest everyone should be ‘familiar’ with the Bible. It is implicit in your question.
There is no requirement that I should be familiar with, or be able to quote, the Bible. Could you quote the Bible extensively? Or, do you have a Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer veiw of the Bible?
Now, how about answering the two questions?
I love the plane. That plane should be photoshopped into every White House Photo op from now on.
I heard the guy in the White House called the plane photo op a mission. I would add the slogan underneath.
“Mission Accomplished”.
I’ll say it…EXPLICITLY.
The Bible, regardless of your beliefs, is a fundamental basis of our cultural language.
Without an understanding of the Bible, innumerable allusions in all the great literature of the West is simply lost on you, or at least attenuated to the point of understanding in black-and-white, when the author gave you color.
The very best trial advocates know and use the Bible, and many of them are simply profane people. They study it because they know that, using that understanding, they have a short-hand means for persuasion.
In the Bible you will find sublime poetry. You will meet characters of…well, Biblical proportions. You will see accounts of good fighting evil, and not always winning, of courage, constancy, love, hate, faithfulness and betrayal.
It is a book of history of ancient peoples. It teaches you the beginnings of whole nations, whole peoples, where their traditions arise, and the values they hold.
So, you should read and study the Bible, regardless of your position on what it really says.
Agreed. As are many other great tomes.
And, didn’t Thomas Jefferson also read the Koran? It is interesting that when he wrote the Constitution that he used the word ‘Creator’ and not God. Do you suppose his knowledge of other faiths, played into the words he used, and didn’t use? The learned class at the time also wrote and read Greek and Hebrew.
I suppose everyone should read and study all the influences that went into making our country great. Maybe even in the original languages.
If you were the least bit consistent, you would agree.
I just wished you had acknowledged that it was not me who first referenced ‘Peter and the Rooster’. [Note: See Post #11.]
Isn’t there something in the Bible about bearing false witness? [Note: Your Post #24.]
Whoa, Dude…
You have NO call to ascribe that spit to me.
I AM consistent. It wasn’t me who was IMPLYING that is was a virtue to be ignorant of the foundation of our civilization, or that IMPLYING you read it was an affront.
Read EVERY F__King thing. OPEN your “mind” to ANY good or important idea. READ Shakespear, Milton, Smith, etc.
I didn’t “acknowledge” you because I don’t give a ratz rump about a lot of what you say. Note that I made a joke of the Peter/rooster allusion.
If you think you can SHOW me in a lie, little friend… you had better by God, be able to dance if you call that tune.
LOL. What spit? LOL.
Who said it was a virtue to be ignorant of the foundation of our civilzation? I agreed that the Bible is central to ur foundation as a great Nation because the founders, including Thomas Jefferson as learned men, drew from a myriad of sources.
Straight forward question, do you agree that the founders drew from a myriad of sources, including the Koran?
And, who said reading the Bible is an affront?
Agreed. I’ll say it again. AGREED.
Now, will you accept the fact that Thomas Jefferson read the Koran and that it potentially had an influence on him? Whether that influence was greater, or smaller, than the Bible, it was an influnece nonetheless? And, beyond the Bible and the Koran, he read other things, as well. I suspect everything he read had an influence on him, and by extension the Constitution he wrote.
That being the case, wouldn’t it be consistent to say that those other documents should be subject to the same reasoning you used for reading the Bible in your post #75?
Joke or not, you incorrectly referenced me as the source. Don’t fix it, acknowledge it, or whatever. I understand your fear. Besides, you are already acknowledging me with your responses, but you are not ackowledging your own mistakes. And, that is truly sad.
I only mentioned that the Bible speaks to bearing false witness, (because your post #75 speaks so eloquently about the use of the Bible in our Nations founding and character) and if that is the lie you are talking about, then the shoe fits. You said and made reference to something that are provably not my words.
Grow a pair, answer the questions and acknowledge your inaccurately referenced ‘joke.’
and
You did, by VERY clear inference.
I am surprised that you suggest everyone should be familiar with the Bible. It is implicit in your question.
There is no requirement that I should be familiar with, or be able to quote, the Bible.
Your are a dishonest little weasel.
Jefferson’s was one of the most broad and restless minds of his age. I don’t doubt that he read countless books on natrual science, horticulture, sylvaculture, beekeeping and manure management and I would not be surprised to learn he read the Quran. I certainly would not take your dishonest word for it, however. And I would be an idiot to assert that whatever he read had NO “influence” on him. Like it is idiocy to assert that, if he read any damn thing, that had more influence on him than something else he read.
That is called a “lie”.
Now, I challenge you to put up quotes where I ascribed that meaningless BS to you.
And repudiating you is NOT “acknowledging you”.
I has, however, been a distinct pleasure.
You should study your history before making such a statement. Just because some idiot used the “Koran” from Jefferson’s library for swearing in because Jefferson read it and it made him more “muslim” dose not make it fact. Jefferson was studying the enemy at the time. We were fighting (paying first) muslims who were kidnapping (using piracy) and holding hostages. Our Marines took care of that mess in Tripoli and we get a line in a great song:
“From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli”
The reason Jefferson used Creator was not to offend. The Creators name is YHWH (Yahweh) – look it up. Now the Christian church sure would be offended to hear him use the Creators name (and they still are). I replaced “God” with Yahweh on our web site and people pulled their support because I was removing “God”. Jefferson was a smart man and knew he could use Creator and be accurate and not offend.
The end. There is nothing more so don’t try and slide the old “he read the Koran” bit in on us.
Oh my goodness, inferrence? Is that what you got from my statement? So be it. Since I did not use the words ‘ignorant’, ‘virture’, or ‘affront’. I did not also use the words ‘know nothing’, ‘higher calling’ or ‘insult’. The reality is, you can focus on what I did not say, or could actually focus, and reply, to what I actually said, and asked.
Unfortunately, we have gotten to the point where we are talking past one another. I suspect it is part of your fear. You simply cannot answer a straight forward question with a ‘YES’ or ‘NO’, an ‘I agree’, or an ‘I disagree’.
OK, you danced around it, but you fundamentally admitted that Thomas Jefferson, being well read, had many influences. Certainly it must be a function of your fear, and I truly understand it, that you are unwilling to simply say, ‘I agree’.
The flourish with which you bestowed upon the Bible in your post #75, to be consistent, should be applied to the Koran, and other documents which influenced our great country.
Though, as I said before, I understand your fear and your lack of stones to be consistent.
From your post # 24, the answer is ->
The reality and fact, you know about facts, don’t you? It was Lucifer Jones in Post #11 who first made reference to ‘Peter and the rooster’. And, it was I who referenced that in post #14. Sequentially, fourteen follows eleven. Fact. I have already stated this fact repeatedly and it will be the last time that I will do so.
First it was a ‘joke’, and now it is ‘meaningless’. I fully expect your next post to ignore it.
LOL.
OK, the point is a technical one, but you are acknowledging my posts with your responses. A distinction without a difference.
And, finally do not take my word for anything, simply accept that the Bible, the Koran, and other tomes had an influence on Thomas Jefferson.
OOPS, I forgot your fear. I have no expectation that you will simply say, ‘Yes, that is true and I agree’.
I think my points are well made.
Thank you for your cooperation in my demonstration of your character.
I’ve read the Qur’an. Just because someone reads something and has a copy in their library doesn’t mean they adhere to it or even like it. I feel in this day and age I really needed to know for myself what it says, and what it doesn’t say. I’ve learned from experience that you can’t trust 2nd hand information concerning any religion.
I find that only a true follower of a specific religion can tell you what their religion believes.
For instance, I don’t trust a non-Catholic to tell me what Catholics believe. And I don’t even trust an ex-Catholic because they may have some sort of grudge. I would only trust an ardent Catholic to tell me what Catholics believe. I want to know what is Canonized doctrine and what isn’t. Same with any religion. Such as the difference between Church Canon and ex-cathedra. LDS have the same kind of thing, where there is Church Canon and the rest is speculation by members or opinions of Prophets. Huge difference.
I’ve found through experience that the LDS faith is pretty much totally misunderstood by those who aren’t LDS.
Trouble with Islam is that there is no ‘official’ site. There are so many different sects it’s almost impossible to say what Islam is. But I sure recognize Jihad! And I sure recognize the VAST silence from the majority of Muslims where Jihad is concerned. Very troubling.
That Jefferson owned a Qur’an doesn’t say ANYTHING about what his religious beliefs were.
I started typing that reply (#83) a while ago and then a friend came by. They just left and I finished it and now reading up it doesn’t seem to have much reference to the current goings on. I don’t even know what it was in response to now. lol
Just for the record, Christians frequently refer to God as their Creator. I use the term frequently. I see nothing in Jefferson’s writings that would imply any respect or deference to Islam. Sounds like studying the enemy to me.
And, thank you for demonstrating your fear, because you have yet to simply answer a straight forward question.
How pleasant it must be for you to live and act like an ostrich.