*willing to bet there are porn stars

Typo, sorry.

An afterthought: let’s assume you are correct; though I don’t think so, and it’s impossible to prove; let’s assume that prostitution causes psychological distress. My answer is, so what?

Spending too much time playing video games or surfing blogs could possibly cause psychological distress too, should we limit or ban those activities? I think China does something like that…

The fact there are communicable diseases and STD’s pretty much solves this dilemma for us.

…and condoms solve that. Perhaps we should avoid going out at all for fear of disease?

Leaving religion completely out of the equation

Yes, please.

I can’t imagine anyone who sells his or her body is psychology at ease or entirely happy with that life choice.

Society. Seriously, why shouldn’t anyone be happy to make a living out of having sex? I am willing to be there are porn stars that absolutely LOVE their jobs. Furthermore, what business is it of yours and why should we waste taxpayer money on chasing down johns and prostitutes?

My point is, it’s a fallacy to say that abortion and/or prostitution liberate females, because they don’t.

Huh? I am not saying this. I am merely saying, a fetus is not worthy of “personhood” under the law for reasons spelled out above and that the government doesn’t belong in anyone’s bedroom. Women AND men should be allowed to make any kind of sexual arrangement they want with another consenting adult(s).

I am not sure human beings are monogamous by nature; however, looking at our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, I doubt it.

The fact there are communicable diseases and STD’s pretty much solves this dilemma for us.

There is nothing “wrong” with exchanging services or monies for sex.

Leaving religion completely out of the equation, I can’t imagine anyone who sells his or her body is psychology at ease or entirely happy with that life choice.

We have had this conversation a million times; you aren’t going to convince me.

My point is, it’s a fallacy to say that abortion and/or prostitution liberate females, because they don’t. They afford men an out from fatherhood and a means of sexual release which, in my view, is why a male dominated Court allowed the former to come into legal existence.

All the social stigmas and ills you are concerned with all go back to our society’s hang-ups about sexuality. I am not sure I can be clearer. I am not sure human beings are monogamous by nature; however, looking at our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, I doubt it.

Why do you (or anyone) even call a man having sex with a woman a “conquest?” Why does a woman having multiple sex partners cost her her dignity? What is dignified about denying our nature?

It is our society that devalues human sexuality and our nature. There is nothing “wrong” with exchanging services or monies for sex.

As far as abortion I’ve explained my position several times now. I consider the idea that a teenaged child that made a mistake MUST carry a fetus to term to be cruel.

We have had this conversation a million times; you aren’t going to convince me.

Actually, undreseige already pointed out that this is a red herring.

How is it a red herring to not accept the premise that a fellow human being selling his body for money, is left physically and psychologically undamaged by such a practice? Sexuality is both sacred and committal; it is against our nature and the interests of our mental and physical health to engage in unsafe/multiple partners. Not to be flippant but have you ever seen a happy or healthy, prostitute over the age of forty?

Why do you mention only women in regards to prostitution? Why not men?

Women are more physically vulnerable to prostitution than men.(Some women may turn to prostitution due to single motherhood, under-educated for workforce demands, or leaving an abusive relationship and in need of money.)

In regards to abortion, don’t be frivolous. There are plenty of women that could claim abortion befitted them. I need only point to a teenage pregnancy of a girl that had plans to go to college.

I suggest there are other options. Motherhood may impede or delay an education, but it doesn’t prevent one for the truly determined. Bristol Palin comes to mind; she completed high school and intends to someday attend college. Even the rural school system where I work provides alternative classes and daycare for young mothers.

This is more than just a “meme” of a male-dominated society. It is concerning puritanical views of sexuality borne out of a male dominated society. Consider, what would sexuality be like in a society that DID NOT think it was important to know who the father was? Just food for thought…

Good point. But I still say abortion and prostitution afford men as many sexual conquests as possible w/o the apprehension of a long-term commitment or emotional attachment, and usually at the expense of a woman’s dignity, virtue, and better nature.

The government doesn’t belong in anyone’s bedroom, period.

I agree, but nor should it propagate a system that devalues human sexuality and regeneration.

Actually, undreseige already pointed out that this is a red herring.

Why do you mention only women in regards to prostitution? Why not men?

In regards to abortion, don’t be frivolous. There are plenty of women that could claim abortion befitted them. I need only point to a teenage pregnancy of a girl that had plans to go to college.

This is more than just a “meme” of a male-dominated society. It is concerning puritanical views of sexuality borne out of a male dominated society. Consider, what would sexuality be like in a society that DID NOT think it was important to know who the father was? Just food for thought…

The government doesn’t belong in anyone’s bedroom, period. The abortion debate is far less cut and dry, but I’ve already made my case above.

I could argue that there are women that would say they have benefitted from both prostitution and abortion.

Could you argue it in good faith, that those women chose such a path for themselves when other options existed?

Convincing women abortion and prostitution are acceptable alternatives when other options do not appear viable, is part of the meme of a male dominated society.

Clearly, I don’t equate first-trimester abortion to murder, so on a moral basis I differ from many others, and likely you.

You are very careful to say “first trimester abortion,” but you know very well the door to abortion for any reason at any time before natural delivery is opened by the semi-wide loophole considering “the health or life of the mother.” As you are probably aware, it is that exception which has allowed our new DHS chief Kathleen Sebelius’ favorite abortionist to stab thousands of newborns in the back of the head without saying exactly why it was necessary to save a mother’s life.

Is it your opinion that partial-birth abortions should be subject to evidence of necessity? Sebelius does not.

On May 1st, 2009 at 2:49 pm, chapoutier said:
With money exchanging hands?
Pretty trinkets, nice dinners…

From that we can extrapolate a whole lot.

I have that sense of impending doom. Let’s change the subject.

I saw a zombie pug this morning.

With money exchanging hands?

Pretty trinkets, nice dinners…

On May 1st, 2009 at 2:43 pm, chapoutier said:
A Brit friend of mine once explained that prostitution is technically legal there. However, it’s a crime to ask or offer.
Isn’t this basically just dating?

With money exchanging hands?

If my marriage ever fails let’s meet up in RI and get some coke and hookers.